TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
Even so, wow.
WAR Russian Tanks Rolling Into South Ossetia! Hot War!-9/22-#2534
Even so, wow.
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Intelligence Encyclopedia:
Russian Nuclear Materials, Security Issues
http://www.answers.com/topic/russian-nuclear-materials-security-issues
The status quo began to change in the 1980s. The Soviets were finding it increasingly difficult to maintain control over an enormous empire that stretched from the German border to Asia. They also faced increasingly restive ethnic and national populations demanding self-determination. Under these pressures, the Soviet Union began to disintegrate and finally collapsed in late 1991. By then, the Soviets had retrieved their nuclear materials from Eastern Europe and the Baltics, as well as from submarines, but many remained closer to home, primarily in Georgia, Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan. Eventually, and after much diplomatic wrangling, these new nations agreed to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and either destroyed the missiles and warheads on their soil or returned them to Russia, though stockpiles of plutonium and weapons-grade uranium remained behind. Security surrounding these materials, and at nuclear power plants, was often lax, raising fears that they could fall into the wrong hands. Within Russia, a poor economy, crime, and corruption raised fears of "loose nukes," or poorly guarded nuclear materials that could be stolen or sold to rogue states such as Iraq or Libya or to terrorist organizations, primarily al-Qaeda. The United States estimates that only about 40 percent of Russia's nuclear storage sites are up to U.S. security standards.
Russian Nuclear Materials, Security Issues
http://www.answers.com/topic/russian-nuclear-materials-security-issues
The status quo began to change in the 1980s. The Soviets were finding it increasingly difficult to maintain control over an enormous empire that stretched from the German border to Asia. They also faced increasingly restive ethnic and national populations demanding self-determination. Under these pressures, the Soviet Union began to disintegrate and finally collapsed in late 1991. By then, the Soviets had retrieved their nuclear materials from Eastern Europe and the Baltics, as well as from submarines, but many remained closer to home, primarily in Georgia, Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan. Eventually, and after much diplomatic wrangling, these new nations agreed to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and either destroyed the missiles and warheads on their soil or returned them to Russia, though stockpiles of plutonium and weapons-grade uranium remained behind. Security surrounding these materials, and at nuclear power plants, was often lax, raising fears that they could fall into the wrong hands. Within Russia, a poor economy, crime, and corruption raised fears of "loose nukes," or poorly guarded nuclear materials that could be stolen or sold to rogue states such as Iraq or Libya or to terrorist organizations, primarily al-Qaeda. The United States estimates that only about 40 percent of Russia's nuclear storage sites are up to U.S. security standards.
Mr. Mayor
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ANALYSTS' VIEW-Security experts on South Ossetia fighting
LONDON, Aug 8 (Reuters) - Fighting is raging in and around the capital of Georgia's South Ossetia as Georgian troops, backed by warplanes, pounded separatist forces in a bid to re-take control of the breakaway region.
Russian media say Russian reinforcements are being sent to the region, escalating the threat of full-scale war between Russia and Georgia, a former member of the Soviet Union that is now an ally of the United States.
Following are comments from defence and political analysts on the escalating crisis:
CHRISTOPHER LANGTON, DEFENCE ANALYST AT INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR STRATEGIC STUDIES AND EXPERT IN CENTRAL ASIA:
"It's very hard to tell how serious it is at this point. Although TV pictures tend to show Russian armour moving into South Ossetia, we don't know for sure.
"If that were to be the case, this would be the most serious incident in South Ossetia since the end of the war and it changes the face of this conflict quite dramatically.
"There is now real danger of Georgian and Russian forces clashing in a serious fashion.
"I'm still a bit puzzled as to why this has gone so far, given the risks to Georgia in terms of the possibility of not being able to fulfil its aspirations towards NATO and the EU.
"Russia has a military capability, if it is indeed moving into South Ossetia, to secure a corridor from Tskhinvali back through the Roki tunnel and to secure Tskhinvali itself," he said, referring to a tunnel that is the only land route connecting South Ossetia to the Russian Federation. Tskhinvali is the main city in South Ossetia.
"The biggest danger would be if fighting broke out in the city itself."
SVANTE CORNELL, CO-DIRECTOR OF THE STOCKHOLM-BASED INSTITUTE FOR SECURITY AND DEVELOPMENT POLICY AND AN EXPERT ON GEORGIA:
What are the roots of the conflict?
"It boils down to Kosovo independence, NATO's Bucharest summit and possibly also Russian internal politics and the transfer of power.
"In February, Russian diplomats said Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence from Serbia would stir up strife in the Balkans and linked Kosovar status to separatist areas Abkhazia and South Ossetia."
Cornell said Russia has seized upon a moment to assert itself in South Ossetia when Europe is unwilling to anger Moscow, the United States is distracted by domestic elections and Georgia has perhaps fallen into an Ossetian provocation.
"Irrespective of who triggered this recent action, the general direction of Russian policy is clear, which is: We are taking control of these territories, and we're not even pretending that we're not."
PAVEL FELGENHAUER, SECURITY ANALYST:
How far could Russia go?
"Turning the tide of a Georgian offensive would mean a massive invasion by Russian forces.
"They would need to deploy crack Russian troops on the battlefield, and that does not guarantee victory over Georgia because you can't deploy much."
Only one road runs south from Russia into South Ossetia, there are no military-capable airstrips and snows from October through May close the mountain passes.
"Massive Russian intervention would mean it's going to be a long war, a bloody war, with an unpredictable outcome, because Ossetia is geographically separated from Russia."
"It's a hell of a logistical nightmare to try and take and keep South Ossetia against a rather fine Georgian military."
ADAM HUG, POLICY DIRECTOR AT THE FOREIGN POLICY CENTRE THINK-TANK:
"I think there are opportunities for both sides to pull back from this. There is a risk of wider conflict (but) it's in neither side's interests to begin head-to-head clashes.
"I think it's unlikely the U.S. would intervene to support Georgia militarily at this stage... The focus in the coming days is going to be to try and put a lid on this as quickly as possible."
MATTHEW CLEMENTS, JANE'S EURASIA EDITOR
"Should fighting continue, as it is likely to over coming days, Russia looks set to respond, especially as the majority of South Ossetia's population hold Russian citizenship. This includes the possibility that ground troops, such as airborne units stationed in Russia's North Caucasus region, could also be deployed. Such a development would mark a major escalation of the conflict and potentially lead to wider regional instability, with associated risks to major Caspian-Europe energy transit routes such as the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline."
(Reporting by Luke Baker, Adrian Croft and Janet McBride in London and Christopher Bladwin in Moscow; Editing by Janet Lawrence)
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L8710763.htm
LONDON, Aug 8 (Reuters) - Fighting is raging in and around the capital of Georgia's South Ossetia as Georgian troops, backed by warplanes, pounded separatist forces in a bid to re-take control of the breakaway region.
Russian media say Russian reinforcements are being sent to the region, escalating the threat of full-scale war between Russia and Georgia, a former member of the Soviet Union that is now an ally of the United States.
Following are comments from defence and political analysts on the escalating crisis:
CHRISTOPHER LANGTON, DEFENCE ANALYST AT INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR STRATEGIC STUDIES AND EXPERT IN CENTRAL ASIA:
"It's very hard to tell how serious it is at this point. Although TV pictures tend to show Russian armour moving into South Ossetia, we don't know for sure.
"If that were to be the case, this would be the most serious incident in South Ossetia since the end of the war and it changes the face of this conflict quite dramatically.
"There is now real danger of Georgian and Russian forces clashing in a serious fashion.
"I'm still a bit puzzled as to why this has gone so far, given the risks to Georgia in terms of the possibility of not being able to fulfil its aspirations towards NATO and the EU.
"Russia has a military capability, if it is indeed moving into South Ossetia, to secure a corridor from Tskhinvali back through the Roki tunnel and to secure Tskhinvali itself," he said, referring to a tunnel that is the only land route connecting South Ossetia to the Russian Federation. Tskhinvali is the main city in South Ossetia.
"The biggest danger would be if fighting broke out in the city itself."
SVANTE CORNELL, CO-DIRECTOR OF THE STOCKHOLM-BASED INSTITUTE FOR SECURITY AND DEVELOPMENT POLICY AND AN EXPERT ON GEORGIA:
What are the roots of the conflict?
"It boils down to Kosovo independence, NATO's Bucharest summit and possibly also Russian internal politics and the transfer of power.
"In February, Russian diplomats said Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence from Serbia would stir up strife in the Balkans and linked Kosovar status to separatist areas Abkhazia and South Ossetia."
Cornell said Russia has seized upon a moment to assert itself in South Ossetia when Europe is unwilling to anger Moscow, the United States is distracted by domestic elections and Georgia has perhaps fallen into an Ossetian provocation.
"Irrespective of who triggered this recent action, the general direction of Russian policy is clear, which is: We are taking control of these territories, and we're not even pretending that we're not."
PAVEL FELGENHAUER, SECURITY ANALYST:
How far could Russia go?
"Turning the tide of a Georgian offensive would mean a massive invasion by Russian forces.
"They would need to deploy crack Russian troops on the battlefield, and that does not guarantee victory over Georgia because you can't deploy much."
Only one road runs south from Russia into South Ossetia, there are no military-capable airstrips and snows from October through May close the mountain passes.
"Massive Russian intervention would mean it's going to be a long war, a bloody war, with an unpredictable outcome, because Ossetia is geographically separated from Russia."
"It's a hell of a logistical nightmare to try and take and keep South Ossetia against a rather fine Georgian military."
ADAM HUG, POLICY DIRECTOR AT THE FOREIGN POLICY CENTRE THINK-TANK:
"I think there are opportunities for both sides to pull back from this. There is a risk of wider conflict (but) it's in neither side's interests to begin head-to-head clashes.
"I think it's unlikely the U.S. would intervene to support Georgia militarily at this stage... The focus in the coming days is going to be to try and put a lid on this as quickly as possible."
MATTHEW CLEMENTS, JANE'S EURASIA EDITOR
"Should fighting continue, as it is likely to over coming days, Russia looks set to respond, especially as the majority of South Ossetia's population hold Russian citizenship. This includes the possibility that ground troops, such as airborne units stationed in Russia's North Caucasus region, could also be deployed. Such a development would mark a major escalation of the conflict and potentially lead to wider regional instability, with associated risks to major Caspian-Europe energy transit routes such as the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline."
(Reporting by Luke Baker, Adrian Croft and Janet McBride in London and Christopher Bladwin in Moscow; Editing by Janet Lawrence)
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L8710763.htm
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S.Ossetia leader "hundreds of dead civilians"
MOSCOW, August 8 (Reuters) - The leader of the breakaway Georgian region of South Ossetia said on Friday that hundreds of civilians had died in fighting in the capital Tskhinvali, which has been the focus of a daylong battle between separatist forces and the Georgian military.
"In Tskhinvali there are hundreds of dead civilians," the president of the unrecognised republic, Eduard Kokoity, was quoted as saying by Interfax news agency. (Reporting by Conor Sweeney)
FURTHER DETAILS ON AIR COMMUNICATION CUTOFF:
Russia to cut Georgia air links from Friday midnight 08 Aug 2008 15:54:50 GMT
Source: Reuters
MOSCOW, Aug 8 (Reuters) - Russia will cut all air links with Georgia from midnight on Friday, a spokeswoman for the Russian Transport Ministry said.
"From midnight the Russian Federation will halt all air communications with Georgia," the spokeswoman said.
Moscow cut air, sea and postal links to Georgia before, in October 2006, after a spying row triggered a sharp deterioration in relations between Russia and Tbilisi's pro-Western government.
Mosow restored air links in March this year.
Russia also halted wine and mineral water sales, which were crucial exports for the Caucasian country. It also doubled Tbilisi's gas bill to $235 for 1,000 cubic metres in 2007.
Apart from charter flights linked to religious holidays, the only other flights between the countries during the last ban were aircraft deporting Georgians deemed by Russia to be illegal immigrants.
Travellers then flying between Moscow and Tbilisi were forced to take alternative routes through Kiev, Baku or Istanbul. (Reporting by Conor Sweeney, editing by Mary Gabriel)
MOSCOW, August 8 (Reuters) - The leader of the breakaway Georgian region of South Ossetia said on Friday that hundreds of civilians had died in fighting in the capital Tskhinvali, which has been the focus of a daylong battle between separatist forces and the Georgian military.
"In Tskhinvali there are hundreds of dead civilians," the president of the unrecognised republic, Eduard Kokoity, was quoted as saying by Interfax news agency. (Reporting by Conor Sweeney)
FURTHER DETAILS ON AIR COMMUNICATION CUTOFF:
Russia to cut Georgia air links from Friday midnight 08 Aug 2008 15:54:50 GMT
Source: Reuters
MOSCOW, Aug 8 (Reuters) - Russia will cut all air links with Georgia from midnight on Friday, a spokeswoman for the Russian Transport Ministry said.
"From midnight the Russian Federation will halt all air communications with Georgia," the spokeswoman said.
Moscow cut air, sea and postal links to Georgia before, in October 2006, after a spying row triggered a sharp deterioration in relations between Russia and Tbilisi's pro-Western government.
Mosow restored air links in March this year.
Russia also halted wine and mineral water sales, which were crucial exports for the Caucasian country. It also doubled Tbilisi's gas bill to $235 for 1,000 cubic metres in 2007.
Apart from charter flights linked to religious holidays, the only other flights between the countries during the last ban were aircraft deporting Georgians deemed by Russia to be illegal immigrants.
Travellers then flying between Moscow and Tbilisi were forced to take alternative routes through Kiev, Baku or Istanbul. (Reporting by Conor Sweeney, editing by Mary Gabriel)
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Formerly the Mayor
TIMETABLE
18:27 Russia to cut all air links from Georgia starting midnight Friday (Reuters)
18:01 President of South Ossetia reported hundreds of civilians killed (Reuters)
17:59 Russian tanks enter edge of South Ossetian capital (Reuters)
17:07 White House: U.S. Pres. Bush, Russian PM Putin discuss conflict in Georgia (Reuters)
15:36 Russian jets bomb Georgian airbase outside capital Tbilisi (Reuters)
14:31 NATO head says `seriously concerned` by Georgia clashes (DPA)
14:04 Georgia to let civilians flee South Ossetia under 3-hour ceasefire agreement (AP)
12:16 South Ossetia hospital hit by Georgian shells as border tensions escalate (AP)
I am not sure of the times, whether it is GMT or not - Source: Haaretz
18:27 Russia to cut all air links from Georgia starting midnight Friday (Reuters)
18:01 President of South Ossetia reported hundreds of civilians killed (Reuters)
17:59 Russian tanks enter edge of South Ossetian capital (Reuters)
17:07 White House: U.S. Pres. Bush, Russian PM Putin discuss conflict in Georgia (Reuters)
15:36 Russian jets bomb Georgian airbase outside capital Tbilisi (Reuters)
14:31 NATO head says `seriously concerned` by Georgia clashes (DPA)
14:04 Georgia to let civilians flee South Ossetia under 3-hour ceasefire agreement (AP)
12:16 South Ossetia hospital hit by Georgian shells as border tensions escalate (AP)
I am not sure of the times, whether it is GMT or not - Source: Haaretz
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US to send special envoy to region per CNN.
President Saakashvili is doing live satellite interviews with news channels trying to whip up support for Georgia. I just saw him on CNN International being very cagey.
He came short of saying that Georgia and Russia were at war, he said the Georgians are merely engaged in self-defence efforts.
It's extremely unusual for a head of state to do this, Georgia is really hamming it up.
He came short of saying that Georgia and Russia were at war, he said the Georgians are merely engaged in self-defence efforts.
It's extremely unusual for a head of state to do this, Georgia is really hamming it up.
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In best Kosh like voice "and so it begins".
Marthanoir
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So is Russia.
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Short but deadly
U.S. Urges Cease-Fire in Conflict Between Russia, Georgia
Friday , August 08, 2008
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The United States is calling for an immediate cease fire between Georgia and Russia, a State Department official said Friday, adding that the U.S. supports Georgia’s territorial rights in the flashpoint conflict over the breakaway region of South Ossetia
But the United States is not actively taking sides. Though Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili seemed to place a certain burden on the United States to intervene, U.S. officials are speaking with both countries and a U.S. envoy is traveling to the region to try to end hostilities.
Pentagon officials said they have been in contact with Georgian officials and they have made no requests for assistance at this point. Georgia is considered a key Western ally in the region.
“We are monitoring it very closely,” Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said.
“The United States is engaged in an effort with both of these parties. We urge both parties to resolve this peacefully and refrain from violence,” a State Department official told FOXNews.com. “We also urge all parties to engage in direct talks.”
State Department spokesman Gonzalo Gallegos told reporters Friday that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is urging all parties to remain calm in calls to top officials.
"We support Georgia's territorial integrity," Gallegos said. "We are working on mediation efforts to secure a cease-fire."
Georgian troops launched a major military offensive to regain control over South Ossetia. The fighting prompted a furious response from Russia, which vowed retaliation and sent a column of tanks into the region.
In an interview Friday with a cable news channel, the Georgian president claimed Russia was fighting a war with his country, and that its alliance with the United States was part of the root cause.
“They are unhappy with our closeness with the United States, with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, with the West in general,” Saakashvili said in the interview. “They've always told us, ‘We'll hit at you because you're so close to the United States.’”
NATO recently agreed to make Georgia a member of its alliance
Saakashvili added: “It's not about Georgia anymore, it's about America, its values.”
According to Whitman, the U.S. has about 130 trainers in Georgia, including a few dozen civilians, who are all working to prepare the Georgian forces for their next deployment to Iraq. All of those U.S. trainers, he said, have been accounted for, none have been injured, and there are currently no plans to pull them out of the country.
He said the trainers are in the Tbilisi area, but would not say exactly where.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,400083,00.html
Friday , August 08, 2008
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The United States is calling for an immediate cease fire between Georgia and Russia, a State Department official said Friday, adding that the U.S. supports Georgia’s territorial rights in the flashpoint conflict over the breakaway region of South Ossetia
But the United States is not actively taking sides. Though Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili seemed to place a certain burden on the United States to intervene, U.S. officials are speaking with both countries and a U.S. envoy is traveling to the region to try to end hostilities.
Pentagon officials said they have been in contact with Georgian officials and they have made no requests for assistance at this point. Georgia is considered a key Western ally in the region.
“We are monitoring it very closely,” Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said.
“The United States is engaged in an effort with both of these parties. We urge both parties to resolve this peacefully and refrain from violence,” a State Department official told FOXNews.com. “We also urge all parties to engage in direct talks.”
State Department spokesman Gonzalo Gallegos told reporters Friday that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is urging all parties to remain calm in calls to top officials.
"We support Georgia's territorial integrity," Gallegos said. "We are working on mediation efforts to secure a cease-fire."
Georgian troops launched a major military offensive to regain control over South Ossetia. The fighting prompted a furious response from Russia, which vowed retaliation and sent a column of tanks into the region.
In an interview Friday with a cable news channel, the Georgian president claimed Russia was fighting a war with his country, and that its alliance with the United States was part of the root cause.
“They are unhappy with our closeness with the United States, with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, with the West in general,” Saakashvili said in the interview. “They've always told us, ‘We'll hit at you because you're so close to the United States.’”
NATO recently agreed to make Georgia a member of its alliance
Saakashvili added: “It's not about Georgia anymore, it's about America, its values.”
According to Whitman, the U.S. has about 130 trainers in Georgia, including a few dozen civilians, who are all working to prepare the Georgian forces for their next deployment to Iraq. All of those U.S. trainers, he said, have been accounted for, none have been injured, and there are currently no plans to pull them out of the country.
He said the trainers are in the Tbilisi area, but would not say exactly where.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,400083,00.html
expose'
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I know I've read over the past few years where we've had Special Forces in Georgia - training their military.
I believe Russia had tried to remove the president of Georgia not too long ago and because our troops were there - it went sour.
What ever is going on in Georgia right now - remember, our troops are there too!
I found this from last month. We've had 1000 of our troops in Georgia since July...and before..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080715/ts_nm/georgia_usa_exercises_dc_1
And from 2002:
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/02/27/georgia.planes/
I believe Russia had tried to remove the president of Georgia not too long ago and because our troops were there - it went sour.
What ever is going on in Georgia right now - remember, our troops are there too!
I found this from last month. We've had 1000 of our troops in Georgia since July...and before..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080715/ts_nm/georgia_usa_exercises_dc_1
And from 2002:
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/02/27/georgia.planes/
mt4design
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I'm watching the http://streaming.visionip.tv/Russia_Today feed... wow.
obviously VERY pro Russian point of view... it's hard truly to discern what is going on via their reporting because it is not at all objective.
Mike
obviously VERY pro Russian point of view... it's hard truly to discern what is going on via their reporting because it is not at all objective.
Mike
Lone Eagle Woman
Veteran Member
Expose, OMG, what would happen if bunches of our Special Forces were
killed by the Russian forces. Then this would bring this totally to another
level - possiblt WWIII. Alex Jones right now on his radio show is talking
of this very thing at present. Thanks Expose!
killed by the Russian forces. Then this would bring this totally to another
level - possiblt WWIII. Alex Jones right now on his radio show is talking
of this very thing at present. Thanks Expose!
mt4design
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LEW, what's Alex Jones saying?
I would suspect that our SPEC OPS guys would be some of the most capable and resilient soldiers we have in dealing with staying alive under those conditions. But, this story is so confused/confusing that I wonder if they'd know who is friend or foe under the circumstances?
Mike
I would suspect that our SPEC OPS guys would be some of the most capable and resilient soldiers we have in dealing with staying alive under those conditions. But, this story is so confused/confusing that I wonder if they'd know who is friend or foe under the circumstances?
Mike
Ben Sunday
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I would not expect rational or objective reporting from the Soviet media now. That goes double for Alex Jones.
At this early stage of the war, the body count, (one article here says 1,400) seems artificially high. Pretty clear that propaganda machines on both sides are in high gear.
IMHO, this is extremely serious. While Georgia can't win, I certainly hope they take a grim toll on the Soviet Red Army.
Not WW3 yet, but if NATO jumps in, or that early report about Israeli "advisors" helping Georgia is verified, then all hell can and will break loose.
At this early stage of the war, the body count, (one article here says 1,400) seems artificially high. Pretty clear that propaganda machines on both sides are in high gear.
IMHO, this is extremely serious. While Georgia can't win, I certainly hope they take a grim toll on the Soviet Red Army.
Not WW3 yet, but if NATO jumps in, or that early report about Israeli "advisors" helping Georgia is verified, then all hell can and will break loose.
expose'
The Pulse......
Unfortunately, the dead US soldiers would likely first be identified as "civilian casualties" to avoid an international conflict. Thats how we play it with Russia... We candy coat their aggression publicly - while taking care of it on the sly.... We never come out and say - Russia just killed 500 US troops in Georgia.. To handle it any other way would bring on WWIII instantly.
Lone Eagle Woman
Veteran Member
Alex Jones did mention on how we do have some military personel there in
Georgia. Yes he is saying our forces are deployed in Georgia and are probably
Right Now fighting in the front lines alongside the Georgian Miltitary. And any
of our forces that are killed, he said the Gov't would probably keep it secret.
He has remarked several times now as this in indeed how World Wars
do start. He thinks we are entering a period of one of the most dangerous
periods ever ... more dangerous then even the Cuban Missle Crisis. He
thinks that this is interesting as happening at the same time as the Olympics
- which the Globalists lso ove.
Also he remarked earlier which I thought was interesting that a Russian
Minister threatened the west recently militarily. And Yes hasn't the West
and Russia exchanged some words as of late over the placement of our
missles in eastern Europe
Georgia. Yes he is saying our forces are deployed in Georgia and are probably
Right Now fighting in the front lines alongside the Georgian Miltitary. And any
of our forces that are killed, he said the Gov't would probably keep it secret.
He has remarked several times now as this in indeed how World Wars
do start. He thinks we are entering a period of one of the most dangerous
periods ever ... more dangerous then even the Cuban Missle Crisis. He
thinks that this is interesting as happening at the same time as the Olympics
- which the Globalists lso ove.
Also he remarked earlier which I thought was interesting that a Russian
Minister threatened the west recently militarily. And Yes hasn't the West
and Russia exchanged some words as of late over the placement of our
missles in eastern Europe
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other SPEC OPS = Friends, Everbody else = FOE
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Soviet deception in Russian-Georgian war
All of the actors in this red-scripted drama are "ex"-cadres of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, graduates of the Soviet Komsomol, proteges of some communist official, or "ex"-KGB or "ex"-GRU types. This includes South Ossetian President Eduard Kokoity, Abkhazian President Sergei Bagapsh, Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, and Russian "President" Dmitry Medvedev. In June Kokoity attended a low-profile meeting in North Ossetia with Communist Party of the Russian Federation Chairman Gennady Zyuagnov, whom we consider to be one of the powers behind the throne in "post"-communist Russia. According to Georgian dissident Irakli Kakabadze, "pro"-Western Saakashvili is a long-time KGB agent, while it is more commonly known that his political career was jumpstarted under the auspices of former Georgian Communist Party boss and Soviet Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze.
Keeping in mind the disengenuous nature of the Sino-Soviet border clash of 1969, which was portrayed by Moscow and Beijing as evidence of disunity within the Communist Bloc, the nationalistic dispute between Moscow and Tblisi should be viewed as part of the ongoing Soviet strategy to portray the Commonwealth of Independent States as a target of Western subversion and NATO aggression. The "pro"-Western regimes in both Georgia and Ukraine have sought admission to NATO, prompting no end of fulminations from Moscow.
http://once-upon-a-time-in-the-west.../missile-day-alert-russian-forces-invade.html
All of the actors in this red-scripted drama are "ex"-cadres of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, graduates of the Soviet Komsomol, proteges of some communist official, or "ex"-KGB or "ex"-GRU types. This includes South Ossetian President Eduard Kokoity, Abkhazian President Sergei Bagapsh, Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, and Russian "President" Dmitry Medvedev. In June Kokoity attended a low-profile meeting in North Ossetia with Communist Party of the Russian Federation Chairman Gennady Zyuagnov, whom we consider to be one of the powers behind the throne in "post"-communist Russia. According to Georgian dissident Irakli Kakabadze, "pro"-Western Saakashvili is a long-time KGB agent, while it is more commonly known that his political career was jumpstarted under the auspices of former Georgian Communist Party boss and Soviet Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze.
Keeping in mind the disengenuous nature of the Sino-Soviet border clash of 1969, which was portrayed by Moscow and Beijing as evidence of disunity within the Communist Bloc, the nationalistic dispute between Moscow and Tblisi should be viewed as part of the ongoing Soviet strategy to portray the Commonwealth of Independent States as a target of Western subversion and NATO aggression. The "pro"-Western regimes in both Georgia and Ukraine have sought admission to NATO, prompting no end of fulminations from Moscow.
http://once-upon-a-time-in-the-west.../missile-day-alert-russian-forces-invade.html
Lone Eagle Woman
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Now after some very quick searching, found this .... it came out on July 9th.
It was when Russia did threatened in response to the U.S. Missle Deal. And
interesting in how important Georgia is now espcelly as a crossroads and
as for that pipeline. And Georgia here was almost gonna become a member in
NATO .... some things that are interesting.
Here is that older article .....
"Russia Threatens Military Response to US Missle Deal"
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4295309.ece
It was when Russia did threatened in response to the U.S. Missle Deal. And
interesting in how important Georgia is now espcelly as a crossroads and
as for that pipeline. And Georgia here was almost gonna become a member in
NATO .... some things that are interesting.
Here is that older article .....
"Russia Threatens Military Response to US Missle Deal"
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4295309.ece
Pass Go
Deceased
So putting pieces together, there are American special forces and Israeli "advisors," too?
Prayers for you brother Jumpy. My family has done 7 tours in the ME, but this is something entirely different.
Dutch warned us about this last week, but seeing it unfold is still surrealistic.
The TeeVee is mentioning the story, but not featuring it that I have seen in the past 45 minutes I have been hoping to see something as I monitor here.
ETA: Faux (I know, I was desperate!) News just hi-lighted that airport was bombed, hundreds dead and more coverage to come in the next hour.
Prayers for you brother Jumpy. My family has done 7 tours in the ME, but this is something entirely different.
Dutch warned us about this last week, but seeing it unfold is still surrealistic.
The TeeVee is mentioning the story, but not featuring it that I have seen in the past 45 minutes I have been hoping to see something as I monitor here.
ETA: Faux (I know, I was desperate!) News just hi-lighted that airport was bombed, hundreds dead and more coverage to come in the next hour.
expose'
The Pulse......
This is crazy!
This can't be allowed to get out of control. The US ties to Georgia are too public. The timing, with the start of the Olympics, is good for a global distraction with little international interference. This is how Russia wants it! Russia would be foolish to keep this going much longer. It's now international news.
Russia will probably gain a small foothold - maybe an airbase then back off...If they don't ............I just can't imagine how bad this could get....
This can't be allowed to get out of control. The US ties to Georgia are too public. The timing, with the start of the Olympics, is good for a global distraction with little international interference. This is how Russia wants it! Russia would be foolish to keep this going much longer. It's now international news.
Russia will probably gain a small foothold - maybe an airbase then back off...If they don't .......
.....I just can't imagine how bad this could get....Marthanoir
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Ben Sunday
Deceased
LEW,
This conflict, IMHO, is all about Georgia/South Ossetia going head to head. This is the wrong sandbox to have a spat in over the missile defense question. Besides, IIRC, the Soviet response was allegedly going to be to target the NATO missile bases with Soviet missiles.
There has not been one word anywhere to suggest or confirm the involvement of NATO forces in this conflict. Yes, they are allegedly in country, (perhaps 1,000), but NATO has been loud in calling for the fighting to stop. A direct NATO vs Soviet clash will mean WW3...period.
Alex Jones is speculating and creating a dangerous situation that MAY or MAY NOT exist.
I ask, isn't the truth and reality bad enough?
This conflict, IMHO, is all about Georgia/South Ossetia going head to head. This is the wrong sandbox to have a spat in over the missile defense question. Besides, IIRC, the Soviet response was allegedly going to be to target the NATO missile bases with Soviet missiles.
There has not been one word anywhere to suggest or confirm the involvement of NATO forces in this conflict. Yes, they are allegedly in country, (perhaps 1,000), but NATO has been loud in calling for the fighting to stop. A direct NATO vs Soviet clash will mean WW3...period.
Alex Jones is speculating and creating a dangerous situation that MAY or MAY NOT exist.
I ask, isn't the truth and reality bad enough?
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Warthog
Black Out
PUTIN. IT's WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Over 1000 US troops in the area for training with Georgian troops! This could turn really ugly fast
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20670001&refer=home&sid=aWgZSCLsIpMM
Putin Says `War Has Started,' Georgia Claims Invasion (Update4)
By Torrey Clark and Greg Walters
Aug. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said ``war has started'' over the breakaway region of South Ossetia as Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili accused its neighbor of a ``well-planned invasion.''
Saakashvili said in a Bloomberg Television interview that his nation of 4.6 million people is ``fighting to secure its borders'' amid a ``full-blown military aggression'' involving thousands of Russian troops. Aerial bombings and wide-spread fighting in and around the region killed an unknown number of civilians and wounded ``scores'' more, Saakashvili said.
Putin earlier today told U.S. President George W. Bush in Beijing that ``volunteers'' were pouring over the border to help defend South Ossetia from Georgian forces, according to Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov. ``War started today in South Ossetia'' when Georgia attacked Russian peacekeepers in the disputed region, Putin said. The Defense Ministry later said it deployed ``reinforcements'' in the region.
The ruble dropped the most against the dollar in 8 1/2 years and Russian stocks tumbled today on concern the conflict will worsen. The U.K., European Union and NATO, which Georgia is seeking to join, all called on both sides to end hostilities. The U.S. called for an immediate cease-fire.
Bush supports the ``territorial integrity'' of Georgia, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said.
``We urge all parties, Georgians, South Ossetians and Russians, to de-escalate the tension and avoid conflict,'' Perino said in a statement from Beijing, where Bush and Putin attended the opening ceremony of the Olympic Games. ``We are working on mediation efforts to secure a cease fire and we are urging the parties to restart their dialogue.''
`NATO Hopes'
``Georgia's immediate NATO hopes have all but evaporated,'' Dominic Fean, a researcher at IFRI, the French Institute of International Affairs, said by telephone. ``Countries like Germany and France were already resistant to the idea of giving a NATO security guarantee to a country with an open dispute with Russia. I can't see how they can get the consensus of 26 states anytime soon.''
South Ossetia, which has a population of about 70,000 and is less than half the size of Kosovo, broke away from U.S.-backed Georgia in the early 1990s and now is a de facto independent state with Russian peacekeepers and economic support. The peacekeepers are deployed under a Commonwealth of Independent States mandate.
``We will not allow the deaths of our compatriots to go unpunished,'' Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, 42, said on state television after the Interfax news service said Russian troops were killed in Georgian shelling of a barracks and checkpoint. ``The guilty will get the punishment they deserve.''
Iraq Pullout
Georgia called today for an emergency meeting of the United Nations Security Council on South Ossetia.
``We've been encouraging everyone involved and every international party to engage in talks for years, months, days, hours,'' Georgian Prime Minister Lado Gurgenidze said by telephone. ``What we get is another column of Russian tanks.''
Georgia, the third-largest member of the allied coalition in Iraq after the U.S. and U.K., will bring home half of its 2,000 soldiers from the Middle East country in the next few days, Kakha Lomaia, head of Georgia's Security Council, said by telephone. The Georgian contingent is stationed in Al-Khut, 185 kilometers (114 miles) southeast of Baghdad.
Fighting escalated throughout the day, with Russian planes dropping four bombs on the Vaziani military base, which the North Atlantic Treaty Organization uses for training, Lomaia said. The base is about 15 kilometers from the Georgian capital.
Russian Tanks
Georgian forces have shot down three Russian planes since the fighting began, Lomaia said. Russia earlier bombed two Georgian towns, Gori and Kareli, he said. Russia's Foreign Ministry denied the bombing claim. The Defense Ministry denied losing aircraft.
Russian troops occupied parts of the South Ossetian capital Tskhinvali, Georgian Interior Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said by telephone. Russian television showed tanks heading over the border to South Ossetia from the Russian region of North Ossetia at about 3:30 p.m. Moscow time.
``We find ourselves in a situation similar to where the Czechs were in 1968, to where the Hungarians found themselves in 1956,'' Lomaia said. ``All we can do is defend our freedom.''
Georgia last month increased the size of its military to 37,000 soldiers and today Saakashvili called up reservists and urged the nation to defend ``every meter'' of land. Russia has a standing army of about 1.1 million.
`Energy Corridor'
``Fighting continues,'' Russian Major General Marat Kulakhmetov, commander of Russia's peacekeeping forces in South Ossetia, said by mobile phone. The peacekeepers have suffered casualties, although it's too early to say how many, he said.
Georgia is a key link in a U.S.-backed ``southern energy corridor'' that links the Caspian Sea region with world markets, bypassing Russia, the world's biggest energy producer. Two pipelines pass through the country linking Azerbaijan and Turkey.
The BP Plc-led Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline, which has been closed since Aug. 5 due to an explosion in Turkey, runs about 100 kilometers south of the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali.
The most recent violence in the region erupted on Aug. 1, when South Ossetia said Georgian shelling of the regional capital Tskhinvali claimed six lives. Georgia said South Ossetian forces sparked the fighting.
``The conflict might be short and hot, but my sense is that neither party wants a prolonged conflict,'' said Michael Denison, associate fellow at London-based research group Chatham House and a professor of international security at the University of Leeds.
The EU, in a statement today expressed ``grave concern'' about the fighting and said it is ``working toward a cease fire.''
To contact the reporters on this story: Greg Walters in Moscow gwalters1@bloomberg.net; Torrey Clark in Moscow at tclark8@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: August 8, 2008 13:02 EDT
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Putin Says `War Has Started,' Georgia Claims Invasion (Update4)
By Torrey Clark and Greg Walters
Aug. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said ``war has started'' over the breakaway region of South Ossetia as Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili accused its neighbor of a ``well-planned invasion.''
Saakashvili said in a Bloomberg Television interview that his nation of 4.6 million people is ``fighting to secure its borders'' amid a ``full-blown military aggression'' involving thousands of Russian troops. Aerial bombings and wide-spread fighting in and around the region killed an unknown number of civilians and wounded ``scores'' more, Saakashvili said.
Putin earlier today told U.S. President George W. Bush in Beijing that ``volunteers'' were pouring over the border to help defend South Ossetia from Georgian forces, according to Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov. ``War started today in South Ossetia'' when Georgia attacked Russian peacekeepers in the disputed region, Putin said. The Defense Ministry later said it deployed ``reinforcements'' in the region.
The ruble dropped the most against the dollar in 8 1/2 years and Russian stocks tumbled today on concern the conflict will worsen. The U.K., European Union and NATO, which Georgia is seeking to join, all called on both sides to end hostilities. The U.S. called for an immediate cease-fire.
Bush supports the ``territorial integrity'' of Georgia, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said.
``We urge all parties, Georgians, South Ossetians and Russians, to de-escalate the tension and avoid conflict,'' Perino said in a statement from Beijing, where Bush and Putin attended the opening ceremony of the Olympic Games. ``We are working on mediation efforts to secure a cease fire and we are urging the parties to restart their dialogue.''
`NATO Hopes'
``Georgia's immediate NATO hopes have all but evaporated,'' Dominic Fean, a researcher at IFRI, the French Institute of International Affairs, said by telephone. ``Countries like Germany and France were already resistant to the idea of giving a NATO security guarantee to a country with an open dispute with Russia. I can't see how they can get the consensus of 26 states anytime soon.''
South Ossetia, which has a population of about 70,000 and is less than half the size of Kosovo, broke away from U.S.-backed Georgia in the early 1990s and now is a de facto independent state with Russian peacekeepers and economic support. The peacekeepers are deployed under a Commonwealth of Independent States mandate.
``We will not allow the deaths of our compatriots to go unpunished,'' Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, 42, said on state television after the Interfax news service said Russian troops were killed in Georgian shelling of a barracks and checkpoint. ``The guilty will get the punishment they deserve.''
Iraq Pullout
Georgia called today for an emergency meeting of the United Nations Security Council on South Ossetia.
``We've been encouraging everyone involved and every international party to engage in talks for years, months, days, hours,'' Georgian Prime Minister Lado Gurgenidze said by telephone. ``What we get is another column of Russian tanks.''
Georgia, the third-largest member of the allied coalition in Iraq after the U.S. and U.K., will bring home half of its 2,000 soldiers from the Middle East country in the next few days, Kakha Lomaia, head of Georgia's Security Council, said by telephone. The Georgian contingent is stationed in Al-Khut, 185 kilometers (114 miles) southeast of Baghdad.
Fighting escalated throughout the day, with Russian planes dropping four bombs on the Vaziani military base, which the North Atlantic Treaty Organization uses for training, Lomaia said. The base is about 15 kilometers from the Georgian capital.
Russian Tanks
Georgian forces have shot down three Russian planes since the fighting began, Lomaia said. Russia earlier bombed two Georgian towns, Gori and Kareli, he said. Russia's Foreign Ministry denied the bombing claim. The Defense Ministry denied losing aircraft.
Russian troops occupied parts of the South Ossetian capital Tskhinvali, Georgian Interior Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said by telephone. Russian television showed tanks heading over the border to South Ossetia from the Russian region of North Ossetia at about 3:30 p.m. Moscow time.
``We find ourselves in a situation similar to where the Czechs were in 1968, to where the Hungarians found themselves in 1956,'' Lomaia said. ``All we can do is defend our freedom.''
Georgia last month increased the size of its military to 37,000 soldiers and today Saakashvili called up reservists and urged the nation to defend ``every meter'' of land. Russia has a standing army of about 1.1 million.
`Energy Corridor'
``Fighting continues,'' Russian Major General Marat Kulakhmetov, commander of Russia's peacekeeping forces in South Ossetia, said by mobile phone. The peacekeepers have suffered casualties, although it's too early to say how many, he said.
Georgia is a key link in a U.S.-backed ``southern energy corridor'' that links the Caspian Sea region with world markets, bypassing Russia, the world's biggest energy producer. Two pipelines pass through the country linking Azerbaijan and Turkey.
The BP Plc-led Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline, which has been closed since Aug. 5 due to an explosion in Turkey, runs about 100 kilometers south of the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali.
The most recent violence in the region erupted on Aug. 1, when South Ossetia said Georgian shelling of the regional capital Tskhinvali claimed six lives. Georgia said South Ossetian forces sparked the fighting.
``The conflict might be short and hot, but my sense is that neither party wants a prolonged conflict,'' said Michael Denison, associate fellow at London-based research group Chatham House and a professor of international security at the University of Leeds.
The EU, in a statement today expressed ``grave concern'' about the fighting and said it is ``working toward a cease fire.''
To contact the reporters on this story: Greg Walters in Moscow gwalters1@bloomberg.net; Torrey Clark in Moscow at tclark8@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: August 8, 2008 13:02 EDT
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Watching how all this stuff is adding up....Looking from a Biblical prophecy point of view....this off Joel Rosenbergs page.
http://joelrosenberg.blogspot.com/
http://joelrosenberg.blogspot.com/
Lone Eagle Woman
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Expose, Doooo Soooo Agree! This Is Crazy!
Now one thing fact that I have heard this morning, do you know that
JOSEF STALIN was born in Georgia.
Now one thing fact that I have heard this morning, do you know that
JOSEF STALIN was born in Georgia.
mt4design
Has No Life - Lives on TB
something just dawned on me...
here's a *what if*
we know that at least some Russian peacekeepers were killed in the conflict.
we also know that russian aircraft have been bombing villages close to the South Ossetian capital.
so... what if those Russian peacekeepers were killed by either intentional or unintentional friendly fire? they could easily have been acting as forward observers for the strikes themselves or they could have been lambs for the slaughter in a false flag op.
Mike
here's a *what if*
we know that at least some Russian peacekeepers were killed in the conflict.
we also know that russian aircraft have been bombing villages close to the South Ossetian capital.
so... what if those Russian peacekeepers were killed by either intentional or unintentional friendly fire? they could easily have been acting as forward observers for the strikes themselves or they could have been lambs for the slaughter in a false flag op.
Mike
Warthog
Black Out
http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=11294 I HOPE THIS CALMS DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Georgia Calls Back Troops From Iraq
08-08-2008
AP
TBILISI, Georgia (AP) — Georgia's president says the country is calling home its troops from Iraq amid heavy fighting in the breakaway province of South Ossetia.
Georgia has 2,000 troops serving with the coalition forces in Iraq, making it the third-largest contributor after the United States and Britain.
But Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili told CNN television Friday the troops would return urgently to Georgia after fighting erupted in South Ossetia.
"One brigade of Georgian forces is in Iraq and we are calling it home tomorrow," Saakashvili said in the interview.
Georgian defense officials could not be reached for further details.
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Georgia Calls Back Troops From Iraq08-08-2008
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TBILISI, Georgia (AP) — Georgia's president says the country is calling home its troops from Iraq amid heavy fighting in the breakaway province of South Ossetia.
Georgia has 2,000 troops serving with the coalition forces in Iraq, making it the third-largest contributor after the United States and Britain.
But Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili told CNN television Friday the troops would return urgently to Georgia after fighting erupted in South Ossetia.
"One brigade of Georgian forces is in Iraq and we are calling it home tomorrow," Saakashvili said in the interview.
Georgian defense officials could not be reached for further details.
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Zulu Cowboy
Keep It Real...
The live news feed from RussiaToday just said that 1400 have been killed so far in the fighting. And 12 Russian peace keepers have died...with 150 wounded.
Zulu Cowboy
Zulu Cowboy
Mikheil Saakashvili is a U.S. puppet installed by your tax dollars.
http://georgia.usembassy.gov/events/2006/event20060705BushSaakash.htm
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
June 19, 2006
STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY
On July 5, President Bush will welcome Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili for a meeting at the White House. Georgia’s Rose Revolution was a powerful moment in modern history that has inspired others to seek freedom. Georgia is a key ally in an important region, and a valued partner in the war on terror, making important contributions in Iraq. The President and President Saakashvili will discuss developments in consolidating Georgia’s democratic transition since the President’s May 9-10, 2005 visit to Georgia, efforts to promote a peaceful resolution to the separatist conflicts in South Ossetia and Abkhazia within a unified Georgia, cooperation in Energy Security and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations and our common commitment to working together to advance freedom and security around the world.
http://georgia.usembassy.gov/events/2006/event20060614Statement.htm
June 14, U.S. Donates $2 Million for Georgia’s South Ossetia Region
The US plans to make available $2 million this year to support the implementation of the package through the single, multi-donor supported account of the OSCE Mission. In future years, US assistance will be subject to the level of annual appropriations for Georgia by the US Congress, which will largely depend on the commitment and progress demonstrated by the sides in effectively using resources provided by the US to improve the conditions for the region’s inhabitants and furthering the peace process. The US will continue to support you, as you continue to show a commitment to working together.
US policy is unequivocal. We support Georgia's territorial integrity and the efforts of the sides to establish a lasting peace and security for the inhabitants of the region within a democratic, unified, and prosperous Georgia and on the basis of Georgia’s internationally recognized borders. Our assistance aims to support just and democratic governance, at national and regional levels, encourage and assist leaders to invest in the needs of the people, and expand opportunities for economic growth.
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cach...i",+US&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=us&client=opera
Georgia: Saakashvili Inaugurated As President
Prague, 26 January 2004 (RFE/RL) -- Mikheil Saakashvili was inaugurated yesterday as Georgia's new president, taking the post amid hopes that he can bring prosperity for ordinary citizens of the former Soviet republic.
In a visit seen to emphasize U.S. interests in the strategically placed south Caucasus country, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell attended the inauguration ceremony and was warmly greeted by Saakashvili. Washington supports the construction of a key pipeline through Georgia in order to transport Caspian Sea oil resources to Western markets starting next year. Analysts say that makes stability in Georgia important for the United States.
But Russia and the United States are wary of each other's activities in Georgia. Powell yesterday sought to calm Russian concerns about a small group of U.S. military instructors that is in the country. Saakashvili told reporters that he would try to maintain good relations with both the United States and Russia while doing what is best for Georgia. "We need to survive in a very complicated geopolitical environment and we don't want to turn this country into a battlefield between the different superpowers. I'll do whatever it takes not to alienate any of the countries, especially our neighbors. We want good relations with Russia. I'm not pro-American or pro-Russian. I am pro-Georgian," Saakashvili said.
But Saakashvili did complain about the continued presence of Russian military forces in Georgia more than a decade after the collapse of the Soviet Union. "Basically, we are talking about a few hundred Russian soldiers and officers with some old fashioned tanks -- metal scrap equipment -- that are useless for Russian security. Now they are not useful for Russian security. They have symbolic importance to bolster imperial self-confidence of some people in Moscow. Why we are worried by [this], however, is that it is a good framework for any potential future intervention in Georgia. And I hope [Russian] President [Vladimir] Putin is not contemplating any of that. But if any other future government, if they have this kind of illegal base here and they can use it for future possible aggression, that is not acceptable. We should exclude any risks of that," Saakashvili said.
Saakashvili said he welcomes a personal meeting with Putin to discuss bilateral relations. "I'm willing to have one of the first visits to Moscow and to see [President Putin] personally and to develop some personal relations. By the way, [U.S.] President [George W.] Bush, when we spoke [by telephone], especially underlined that they are also welcoming very much if we deliver our own personal contacts with the Russians and with Putin," Saakashvili said.
Powell also called on Russia to withdraw its troops from Georgia in accordance with a promise made by Moscow in 1999. Powell told reporters he would raise the issue during his own talks in Moscow, where he is traveling next. Powell also pledged that the United States would provide $166 million of assistance to Georgia during the current fiscal year. He conveyed an invitation from Bush for Saakashvili to visit Washington on 25 February.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikheil_Saakashvili
Mikheil Saakashvili (Georgian: მიხეილ სააკაშვილი) (born December 21, 1967) is a Georgian politician, the President of Georgia and leader of the ENM. Saakashvili was elected to replace President Eduard Shevardnadze, who stepped down in Georgia's 2003 bloodless Rose Revolution, led by Saakashvili and his major political allies, Nino Burjanadze and Zurab Zhvania, and took office on 25 January 2004
In his foreign policy, Saakashvili maintains close ties with the U.S. leadership, as well as other NATO countries, and remains one of the leaders of the GUAM organization. The Saakashvili-led Rose Revolution has been described by the White House as one of the most powerful movements in the modern history[2] that has inspired others to seek freedom.[3].
http://georgia.usembassy.gov/events/2006/event20060705BushSaakash.htm
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
June 19, 2006
STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY
On July 5, President Bush will welcome Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili for a meeting at the White House. Georgia’s Rose Revolution was a powerful moment in modern history that has inspired others to seek freedom. Georgia is a key ally in an important region, and a valued partner in the war on terror, making important contributions in Iraq. The President and President Saakashvili will discuss developments in consolidating Georgia’s democratic transition since the President’s May 9-10, 2005 visit to Georgia, efforts to promote a peaceful resolution to the separatist conflicts in South Ossetia and Abkhazia within a unified Georgia, cooperation in Energy Security and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations and our common commitment to working together to advance freedom and security around the world.
http://georgia.usembassy.gov/events/2006/event20060614Statement.htm
June 14, U.S. Donates $2 Million for Georgia’s South Ossetia Region
The US plans to make available $2 million this year to support the implementation of the package through the single, multi-donor supported account of the OSCE Mission. In future years, US assistance will be subject to the level of annual appropriations for Georgia by the US Congress, which will largely depend on the commitment and progress demonstrated by the sides in effectively using resources provided by the US to improve the conditions for the region’s inhabitants and furthering the peace process. The US will continue to support you, as you continue to show a commitment to working together.
US policy is unequivocal. We support Georgia's territorial integrity and the efforts of the sides to establish a lasting peace and security for the inhabitants of the region within a democratic, unified, and prosperous Georgia and on the basis of Georgia’s internationally recognized borders. Our assistance aims to support just and democratic governance, at national and regional levels, encourage and assist leaders to invest in the needs of the people, and expand opportunities for economic growth.
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cach...i",+US&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=us&client=opera
Georgia: Saakashvili Inaugurated As President
Prague, 26 January 2004 (RFE/RL) -- Mikheil Saakashvili was inaugurated yesterday as Georgia's new president, taking the post amid hopes that he can bring prosperity for ordinary citizens of the former Soviet republic.
In a visit seen to emphasize U.S. interests in the strategically placed south Caucasus country, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell attended the inauguration ceremony and was warmly greeted by Saakashvili. Washington supports the construction of a key pipeline through Georgia in order to transport Caspian Sea oil resources to Western markets starting next year. Analysts say that makes stability in Georgia important for the United States.
But Russia and the United States are wary of each other's activities in Georgia. Powell yesterday sought to calm Russian concerns about a small group of U.S. military instructors that is in the country. Saakashvili told reporters that he would try to maintain good relations with both the United States and Russia while doing what is best for Georgia. "We need to survive in a very complicated geopolitical environment and we don't want to turn this country into a battlefield between the different superpowers. I'll do whatever it takes not to alienate any of the countries, especially our neighbors. We want good relations with Russia. I'm not pro-American or pro-Russian. I am pro-Georgian," Saakashvili said.
But Saakashvili did complain about the continued presence of Russian military forces in Georgia more than a decade after the collapse of the Soviet Union. "Basically, we are talking about a few hundred Russian soldiers and officers with some old fashioned tanks -- metal scrap equipment -- that are useless for Russian security. Now they are not useful for Russian security. They have symbolic importance to bolster imperial self-confidence of some people in Moscow. Why we are worried by [this], however, is that it is a good framework for any potential future intervention in Georgia. And I hope [Russian] President [Vladimir] Putin is not contemplating any of that. But if any other future government, if they have this kind of illegal base here and they can use it for future possible aggression, that is not acceptable. We should exclude any risks of that," Saakashvili said.
Saakashvili said he welcomes a personal meeting with Putin to discuss bilateral relations. "I'm willing to have one of the first visits to Moscow and to see [President Putin] personally and to develop some personal relations. By the way, [U.S.] President [George W.] Bush, when we spoke [by telephone], especially underlined that they are also welcoming very much if we deliver our own personal contacts with the Russians and with Putin," Saakashvili said.
Powell also called on Russia to withdraw its troops from Georgia in accordance with a promise made by Moscow in 1999. Powell told reporters he would raise the issue during his own talks in Moscow, where he is traveling next. Powell also pledged that the United States would provide $166 million of assistance to Georgia during the current fiscal year. He conveyed an invitation from Bush for Saakashvili to visit Washington on 25 February.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikheil_Saakashvili
Mikheil Saakashvili (Georgian: მიხეილ სააკაშვილი) (born December 21, 1967) is a Georgian politician, the President of Georgia and leader of the ENM. Saakashvili was elected to replace President Eduard Shevardnadze, who stepped down in Georgia's 2003 bloodless Rose Revolution, led by Saakashvili and his major political allies, Nino Burjanadze and Zurab Zhvania, and took office on 25 January 2004
In his foreign policy, Saakashvili maintains close ties with the U.S. leadership, as well as other NATO countries, and remains one of the leaders of the GUAM organization. The Saakashvili-led Rose Revolution has been described by the White House as one of the most powerful movements in the modern history[2] that has inspired others to seek freedom.[3].
Warthog
Black Out
GOOD Zulu! Where did you find that feed?
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Jamestown.org think tank coments on the situation as of early this morning:
Sorry it comes as an e-mail so no link.
Sorry it comes as an e-mail so no link.