mzkitty
I give up.
I see Turkey mentioned on this thread so............... blowing up police station.
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I see Turkey mentioned on this thread so............... blowing up police station.
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Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
DEFUND THE FBI AND CIA. 
check with a "Pipe guy" and ask him what happens when an underwater pipeline fills with water
from the bottom
mzkitty
I give up.
skwentnaflyer
Veteran Member
I also posted this in the Q thread, but it’s likely to get buried over there. China and Russia were doing joint exercises, but they supposedly ended 9-7
Breaking: Coast Guard encounters Chinese missile cruiser and Russian ships in formation in U.S. Bering Sea - Must Read Alaska
The Coast Guard Cutter Kimball crew, on a routine patrol in the Bering Sea on Sept. 19, encountered a People’s Republic of China Guided Missile Cruiser, Renhai CG 101, sailing approximately 75 nautical miles north of Kiska Island, Alaska.
The Kimball crew later identified two more Chinese naval vessels and four Russian naval vessels, including a Russian Federation Navy destroyer, all in a single formation with the Renhai as a combined surface action group operating in the U.S. Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ).
As a result, the Kimball crew is now operating under Operation Frontier Sentinel, a Seventeenth Coast Guard District operation designed to meet presence with presence when strategic competitors operate in and around U.S. waters. The U.S Coast Guard’s presence strengthens the international rules-based order and promotes the conduct of operations in a manner that follows international norms. While the surface action group was temporary in nature, and Kimball observed it disperse, the Kimball will continue to monitor activities in the U.S. EEZ to ensure the safety of U.S. vessels and international commerce in the area. A Coast Guard Air Station Kodiak C-130 Hercules air crew provided support to the Kimball’s Operation Frontier Sentinel activities.
In September 2021, Coast Guard cutters deployed to the Bering Sea and North Pacific Ocean also encountered Chinese naval vessels, including a surface action group transiting approximately 50 miles off the Aleutian Island chain.
“While the formation has operated in accordance with international rules and norms,” said Rear Adm. Nathan Moore, Seventeenth Coast Guard District commander, “we will meet presence-with-presence to ensure there are no disruptions to U.S. interests in the maritime environment around Alaska.”
Kimball is a 418-foot legend-class national security cutter homeported in Honolulu, Hawaii.
Kiska Island is part of what was known as the Rat Islands, and was the target of a coordinated attack on the United States during World War II. Along with Attu, Kiska was occupied by the Japanese military, after the imperial military leaders believed that the Doolittle Raid was launched from either Midway Island or the Aleutians. The occupation of Attu and Kiska were the peak of Japan’s expansion in the Pacific.
Breaking: Coast Guard encounters Chinese missile cruiser and Russian ships in formation in U.S. Bering Sea - Must Read Alaska
The Coast Guard Cutter Kimball crew, on a routine patrol in the Bering Sea on Sept. 19, encountered a People’s Republic of China Guided Missile Cruiser, Renhai CG 101, sailing approximately 75 nautical miles north of Kiska Island, Alaska.
The Kimball crew later identified two more Chinese naval vessels and four Russian naval vessels, including a Russian Federation Navy destroyer, all in a single formation with the Renhai as a combined surface action group operating in the U.S. Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ).
As a result, the Kimball crew is now operating under Operation Frontier Sentinel, a Seventeenth Coast Guard District operation designed to meet presence with presence when strategic competitors operate in and around U.S. waters. The U.S Coast Guard’s presence strengthens the international rules-based order and promotes the conduct of operations in a manner that follows international norms. While the surface action group was temporary in nature, and Kimball observed it disperse, the Kimball will continue to monitor activities in the U.S. EEZ to ensure the safety of U.S. vessels and international commerce in the area. A Coast Guard Air Station Kodiak C-130 Hercules air crew provided support to the Kimball’s Operation Frontier Sentinel activities.
In September 2021, Coast Guard cutters deployed to the Bering Sea and North Pacific Ocean also encountered Chinese naval vessels, including a surface action group transiting approximately 50 miles off the Aleutian Island chain.
“While the formation has operated in accordance with international rules and norms,” said Rear Adm. Nathan Moore, Seventeenth Coast Guard District commander, “we will meet presence-with-presence to ensure there are no disruptions to U.S. interests in the maritime environment around Alaska.”
Kimball is a 418-foot legend-class national security cutter homeported in Honolulu, Hawaii.
Kiska Island is part of what was known as the Rat Islands, and was the target of a coordinated attack on the United States during World War II. Along with Attu, Kiska was occupied by the Japanese military, after the imperial military leaders believed that the Doolittle Raid was launched from either Midway Island or the Aleutians. The occupation of Attu and Kiska were the peak of Japan’s expansion in the Pacific.
phloydius
Veteran Member
Anyone know what the third pipeline was?
Easily accomplished with an ROV. The pipeline sits on the seabed.
wow
mzkitty
I give up.
db cooper
Resident Secret Squirrel
Yes, quite a traffic jam. It is purported to be "hundreds of thousands" of men fleeing from Russian mobilization.
I'm confidant many Russian men are fleeing. But this particular tidbit I believe is propaganda, as there are not hundreds of thousands there. And where is it, when was it taken? The video is lacking important information to validate it.
Sorry for being sour apples, I tend to call out propaganda when I see it as such.
naegling62
Veteran Member
So is Biden and Truss going to send refugee flights to Georgia? I don't think so.
jward
passin' thru
Thank you, many don't know any better and would go away with wrng info in their heads otherwise.
mzkitty
I give up.
I don't know. Whatever that jam is, it's pretty bad anyway.
Still some disagreement in the EU on how to handle the influx of Russians but a consensus is developing.
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Europe closed borders to Russians escaping from the military
jward
passin' thru
Faytuks News Δ
@Faytuks
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BREAKING: A few hours after the gas leak on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, Nord Stream 1 is also reporting massive problems. The pipelines may have been damaged by targeted attacks - Berliner Zeitung/Tagesspiegel
This would be a significant incident if true
View: https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1574535780759789570?s=20&t=wRZW-rkHrHfsPEpx8UBkTQ
This was reported by the Danish maritime authority earlier
A pressure loss occurred in the two Nord Stream gas pipelines in quick succession. The german federal government is apparently not assuming a coincidence. - Tagesspiegel
Theories on what the cause may be
View: https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1574534830192316424?s=20&t=wRZW-rkHrHfsPEpx8UBkTQ
jward
passin' thru
There was this. . .
Doge
@IntelDoge
· Sep 23
U.S. Navy MH-60R Seahawk anti-submarine helicopter airborne off the coast of #Kaliningrad.
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Doge
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@IntelDoge
2nd day of these flights now, was noted yesterday by @ZaesADSB. Likely lifted off from USS Kearsarge.
Replying to
@IntelDoge
and
@sentdefender
Yesterday, there were an P-8 Poseidon present, headed past Bornholm, following Swedish coast towards/in between Öland/Gotland. And just before the islands, the transponder went off.
Swe warship nearby as well.
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Gunman walks up to a recruitment officer and shoots him. (No blood or gore seen on the video)
2:20
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Video shows Russian man shoot draft officer after Putin’s mobilization order
Next time bring enough marshmallows for eveyone.
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Russia rebellion: Man sets fire to Uryupinsk office amid military enlistment
What an idiot.
Depending on what's caused it, repair isn't that difficult. I don't think the water is all that deep; I don't know if it's shallow enough for bell-sat divers or if it'll take ROVs but it'll get fixed, even if they have to splice in a new segment.
I suspect sabotage personally. Once they pinpoint the problem area, it won't take long for the cause to become evident.
The US, mostly.....
Anti-submarine helicopters (and P-8s) carry homing torpedoes. (I think the P-8s do. If they don't, they ought to!)
Faytuks News Δ
@Faytuks
3h
BREAKING: A few hours after the gas leak on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, Nord Stream 1 is also reporting massive problems. The pipelines may have been damaged by targeted attacks - Berliner Zeitung/Tagesspiegel
This would be a significant incident if true
View: https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1574535780759789570?s=20&t=wRZW-rkHrHfsPEpx8UBkTQ
This was reported by the Danish maritime authority earlier
A pressure loss occurred in the two Nord Stream gas pipelines in quick succession. The german federal government is apparently not assuming a coincidence. - Tagesspiegel
Theories on what the cause may be
View: https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1574534830192316424?s=20&t=wRZW-rkHrHfsPEpx8UBkTQ
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Pipelines are generally filled with seawater when their construction is finished because they need to be pressure tested. Once the tests are concluded, the pipeline is purged and can be filled with (either air or gas, nitrogen would be awfully expensive) and pressure tested to certification standards. After that, smart pigs are run through the pipeline to give operators a baseline view of its condition so future inspections can be compared to the original. (Pipelines are built to a tolerance which allows for small differences in metal thickness, for instance) The welds have to be certified as well, even though they're x-rayed and tested before they ever leave the pipelaying barge and go underwater.
Pipeline welders are absolute craftsmen.
A pipeline repair vid :
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=807JrCF2n4I
They basically drop a habitat down - surround the damaged section and replace it onsite.
Anchors damaging pipelines is a fairly common occurrence it seems. Since NS I & II were shutdown anyways - not sure how this really changes anything much. And since repairs are certainly possible - kind of useless effort IMO.
And certainly with the expertise the Ukrainians have show with remotely piloted vehicles - THEY would have to be at the top of the list for suspects. And since repair is not much of an issue - not sure why the Russians would do this to themselves - no operational benefit since the lines are shut down and just increases the cost of starting them back up.
Only people this really hurts is the Europeans as it will delay any future restart as I am sure the Russians won't make a big effort to effect repairs with the war on and the lines shutdown because of European stupidity.
They basically drop a habitat down - surround the damaged section and replace it onsite.
Anchors damaging pipelines is a fairly common occurrence it seems. Since NS I & II were shutdown anyways - not sure how this really changes anything much. And since repairs are certainly possible - kind of useless effort IMO.
And certainly with the expertise the Ukrainians have show with remotely piloted vehicles - THEY would have to be at the top of the list for suspects. And since repair is not much of an issue - not sure why the Russians would do this to themselves - no operational benefit since the lines are shut down and just increases the cost of starting them back up.
Only people this really hurts is the Europeans as it will delay any future restart as I am sure the Russians won't make a big effort to effect repairs with the war on and the lines shutdown because of European stupidity.
You've picked up on the main issue. Germany is going to go through the worst part of the European collapse as well as its own deindustrialization. They realized that all they had to do was begin to use the pipelines again. Voila ... economy full speed ahead, Germans warm and toasty this winter!
Occam's Razor: Bai-Den's people (through Blinken) were picking up on the Germans wavering and considering going ahead with certification of Nordstream 2, so it was an easy fix to remove that temptation from them, at least temporarily. And while they were at it, they took care of Nordstream 1 in case the Germans were able to straighten out that mess with the Canadians and Siemens over the turbines.
Good find on that repair video; it's a tremendous process.
The Americans could have done it of course - but it strikes me as a totally ham-handed effort considering they were already shut down. Which indicates amateurs - which implicates the Ukrainians.
It actually FORCES the Europeans to now rethink further sanctions as restarting NS I & II is now pretty much off the table. The Germans et al always had the option of caving and restarting the gas flows - now that is off the table completely. That makes them LESS likely to try to sanction HARDER IMO - and thats actually the opposite of what the Biden idiots would have wanted.
Either the Ukrainians or someone completely retarded did this - which considering the level of idiocy displayed so far - rules out no one LOL
It actually FORCES the Europeans to now rethink further sanctions as restarting NS I & II is now pretty much off the table. The Germans et al always had the option of caving and restarting the gas flows - now that is off the table completely. That makes them LESS likely to try to sanction HARDER IMO - and thats actually the opposite of what the Biden idiots would have wanted.
Either the Ukrainians or someone completely retarded did this - which considering the level of idiocy displayed so far - rules out no one LOL
took 10 seconds on google and youtube LOL
The level of ingenuity of MEN never fails to amaze me.
And you won't see any women welding in that little room on the seafloor for 3 weeks at a time.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
These same photos were on every evening news broadcast tonight.
So if it's propaganda, whose is it? And who does it benefit?
jward
passin' thru
SCOTT RITTER: Reaping the Whirlwind
Putin’s order to begin partial mobilization of Russian military forces continues a confrontation between Russia and a U.S.-led coalition of Western nations that began at the end of the Cold War.By Scott Ritter
Special to Consortium News
If viewed in a vacuum, the announcement of Russian President Vladimir Putin Wednesday, in a televised address to the Russian people, that he was ordering the partial mobilization of 300,000 military reservists to supplement some 200,000 Russian personnel currently engaged in combat operations on the soil of Ukraine would appear to be the antithesis of seeking an alternative to war.
This announcement was made in parallel with one that authorized referendums to take place on the territory of Ukraine currently occupied by Russian forces regarding the question of joining these territories with the Russian Federation.
Seen in isolation, these actions would appear to represent a frontal assault on international law as defined by the United Nations Charter, which prohibits acts of aggression by one nation against another for the purpose of seizing territory by force of arms. This was the case made by U.S. President Joe Biden when speaking at the United Nations General Assembly hours after Putin’s announcement.
“A permanent member of the United Nations Security Council invaded its neighbor, attempted to erase a sovereign state from the map,” Biden said. “Russia has shamelessly violated the core tenets of the United Nations Charter.”
History, however, is a harsh mistress, where facts become inconvenient to perception. When viewed through the prism of historical fact, the narrative being promulgated by Biden becomes flipped. The reality is that since the collapse of the Soviet Union at the end of 1991, the U.S. and its European allies have been conspiring to subjugate Russia in an effort to ensure that the Russian people are never again able to mount a geopolitical challenge to an American hegemony defined by a “rules based international order” that had been foisted on the world in the aftermath of the Second World War.
For decades, the Soviet Union had represented such a threat. With its demise, the U.S. and its allies were determined to never again allow the Russian people — the Russian nation — to manifest themselves in a similar manner.
West Germany joined NATO in 1955, which led to the formation of the rival Warsaw Pact during the Cold War. (Bundesarchiv, CC BY-SA 3.0, Wikimedia Commons)
When Putin spoke about the need for “necessary, urgent steps to protect the sovereignty, security and territorial integrity of Russia” from “the aggressive policies of some Western elites who try by any means necessary to maintain their supremacy,” he had this history in mind.
The aim of the U.S. and its Western allies, Putin declared, was “to weaken, divide and ultimately destroy our country” by promulgating policies designed to cause “Russia itself to disintegrate into a multitude of regions and territories that are deadly enemies with one another.” According to Putin, the U.S.-led West “purposefully incited hatred of Russia, particularly in Ukraine, for which they destined the fate of an anti-Russian beachhead.”
Newton’s Third Law of Motion, that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, applies to geopolitics as well.
On Feb. 24, Putin issued orders for the armed forces of Russia to initiate what he termed a “Special Military Operation” (SMO) in Ukraine. Putin declared that this decision was in keeping with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter and the principles of collective preemptive self-defense as defined by international law.
The goals of this operation were to protect the newly independent republics of Lugansk and Donetsk (referred collectively as the Donbass region) from an imminent danger posed by a build-up of Ukrainian military forces which were, according to Russia, poised to attack.
The stated goal of the SMO was to safeguard the territory and people of the Lugansk and Donetsk republics by eliminating the threat posed by the Ukrainian military. To accomplish this, Russia embraced two primary objectives — demilitarization and denazification.
Demilitarization of Ukraine would be accomplished through the elimination of all infrastructure and organizational structures affiliated with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, or NATO; denazification would involve a similar eradication of the odious ideology of the Ukrainian ultra-nationalist, Stepan Bandera, who was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Jews, Poles and ethnic Russians during the Second World War and in a decade of anti-Soviet resistance after the war ended.
Stepan Bandera torchlight parade in Kiev, Jan. 1, 2020. (A1/Wikimedia Commons)
Beginning in 2015, NATO had been training and equipping the Ukrainian military for the purpose of confronting pro-Russian separatists that had seized power in the Donbass following the ouster of pro-Russian Ukrainian President Victor Yanukovich in a violent insurrection, known as the “Maidan Revolution,” spearheaded by right-wing Ukrainian political parties professing loyalty to the memory of Stepan Bandera.
Ukraine had been pursuing NATO membership since 2008, enshrining this goal in its constitution. While actual membership still eluded Ukraine as of 2022, the level of involvement of NATO with the Ukrainian armed forces made it a de facto extension of the NATO alliance.
Russia viewed the combination of NATO membership with the anti-Russian posturing of the post-Maidan Ukrainian government, linked as it was to the ideology of Bandera, as a threat to its national security. The SMO was designed to eliminate that threat.
Two Phases of Russian Operation
For roughly the first six months, the Russian military operation could be broken down into two distinct phases. The first was a blitzkrieg-style effort designed to shock the Ukrainian military and government into submission. Failing that, it was meant to shape the battlefield in a manner that isolated the Ukrainian forces assembled near the Donbass region prior to their decisive engagement by the Russian military in the second phase, which began on March 25.
Phase two of the SMO, the “battle for the Donbass,” unfolded through April, May, June and July, and involved brutal, meat-grinding style warfare in urban terrain and among defensive fortifications that had been prepared by Ukrainian forces over the course of the past eight years.
Russia made slow, agonizing gains, in a war of attrition which saw Russia inflict horrific losses on the Ukrainian armed forces. Such was the extent of the damage done by Russia on the army of Ukraine that by the end of July nearly the entire inventory of Soviet-era weapons that Ukraine possessed at the start of the SMO had been destroyed, along with over 50 percent of its active-duty military component.
Normally, when assessing casualty figures of this magnitude, any professional military analyst would be right to conclude that Russia had, in effect, accomplished its goal of demilitarization, which logically should have been followed by the surrender of the Ukrainian government on terms which would have resulted in the kinds of fundamental political change necessary to implement the Russian goal of denazification and, with it, securing Ukrainian neutrality.
Chechen Kadyrovites alongside Russian regular troops and separatist militiamen in the Donbass in June. (CC BY 3.0, Wikimedia Commons)
But the very forces which Putin had described in his mobilization address conspired to further their anti-Russian agenda by pouring in tens of billions of dollars of military aid (exceeding, in a manner of months, the entire annual defense budget of Russia) designed not to promote a Ukrainian victory, but rather hasten a strategic Russian defeat.
“Whereas once the primary Western objective was to defend against the [Russian] invasion,” journalist Tom Stevenson noted in an OpEd in The New York Times, “it has become the permanent strategic attrition of Russia.”
The provision of military aid on this scale was a game changer, one which the Russian military forces responsible for implementing the SMO were not able to overcome. This new reality manifested itself in the first half of September, when Ukraine launched a major counteroffensive which succeeded in evicting Russian forces from the territory of the Kharkov region that had been occupied since the SMO began.
New Threat Paradigm
President of Russia Vladimir Putin with Defense Minister of Russia Sergey Shoigu after wreath-laying ceremonies at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in June. (Kremlin.ru, CC BY 4.0, Wikimedia Commons)
While Russia was able to stabilize its defenses and ultimately halt the Ukrainian offensive, inflicting huge numbers of casualties on the attacking force, the reality that Russia was facing a new threat paradigm in Ukraine, one which saw the Russian military fighting a reconstituted Ukrainian military that had become a de facto proxy of the U.S.-led NATO alliance.
Confronted with this new reality, Putin informed the Russian people that he considered it “necessary to take the following decision, which is fully responsive to the threats we face: In order to defend our homeland, its sovereignty and territorial integrity, and the security of our people and that of the population and to ensure the liberated areas, I consider it necessary to support the proposal of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff to introduce partial mobilization in the Russian Federation.”
The U.S. and its NATO allies would do well to reflect on the lesson inherent in Hosea 8:7—sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
Or, put another way, Newton’s Third Law has come back with a vengeance.
Putin’s decision to order a partial mobilization of the Russian military, when combined with the decision to conduct the referendums in the Donbass and occupied Ukraine, radically transforms the SMO from a limited-scope operation to one linked to the existential survival of Russia. Once the referenda are conducted, and the results forwarded to the Russian parliament, what is now the territory of Ukraine will, in one fell swoop, become part of the Russian Federation — the Russian homeland.
All Ukrainian forces that are on the territory of the regions to be incorporated into Russia will be viewed as occupiers; and Ukrainian shelling of this territory will be treated as an attack on Russia, triggering a Russian response. Whereas the SMO had, by design, been implemented to preserve Ukrainian civil infrastructure and reduce civilian casualties, a post-SMO military operation will be one configured to destroy an active threat to Mother Russia itself. The gloves will come off.
US & NATO Face a Decision
April 7, 2021: An honor guard in Ukraine during a visit by a NATO military committee. (NATO)
The U.S. and NATO, having committed to a program designed to defeat Russia via proxy, must now decide whether they continue to follow through with their political and material support for Ukraine and, if so, to what extent. Does the goal remain the “strategic defeat” of Russia, or will the aid be tailored simply to assist Ukraine in defending itself?
These are two completely different goals.
One allows for the continued attrition of any Russian force that seeks to project power from Russian territory into Ukraine but, in doing so, respects the reality, if not the legitimacy, of the Russian incorporation of the Donbass and southern Ukrainian territories under occupation into the Russian Federation.
The other continues to sustain the current policy of the Ukrainian government and its Western allies of evicting Russia from the Donbass, occupied Ukraine and Crimea. This means attacking Mother Russia. This means war with Russia.
For its part, Russia considers itself already to be in a war with the West. “We are really at war with…NATO and with the collective West,” Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said in a statement that followed Putin’s announcement regarding partial mobilization.
Put in this context, the Russian partial mobilization isn’t designed to defeat the Ukrainian military, but to defeat the forces of NATO and the “collective West” that have been assembled in Ukraine.
And if these NATO resources are configured in a way that is deemed by Russia as constituting a threat to the Russian homeland…
“Of course,” Putin said in his address on partial mobilization, “if the territorial integrity of our country is threatened, we will use all means at our disposal to defend Russia and our people,” a direct reference to Russia’s nuclear arsenal.
“This is not a bluff,” Putin emphasized. “The citizens of Russia can rest assured that the territorial integrity of our homeland, our independence, and our freedom, I reiterate, will be safeguarded with all the means at our disposal. And those who are trying to blackmail us with nuclear weapons need to know that the compass rose can turn in their direction, too.”
This is what the world has come to — a mad rush toward nuclear apocalypse predicated on the irrational expansion of NATO and hubris-laced Russophobic policies seemingly ignorant of the reality that the Ukraine conflict has now become a matter of existential importance to Russia.
The U.S. and its allies in the “collective West” now have to decide if the continued pursuit of a decades-long policy of isolating and destroying Russia is a matter of existential importance to them, and if the continued support of a Ukrainian government that is little more than the modern-day manifestation of the hateful ideology of Stepan Bandera is worth the lives of their respective citizenry, and that of the rest of the world.
The doomsday clock is literally one second to midnight and we in the West have only ourselves to blame.
Scott Ritter is a former U.S. Marine Corps intelligence officer who served in the former Soviet Union implementing arms control treaties, in the Persian Gulf during Operation Desert Storm and in Iraq overseeing the disarmament of WMD. His most recent book is Disarmament in the Time of Perestroika, published by Clarity Press.
The views expressed are solely those of the author and may or may not reflect those of Consortium News.
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Putin’s order to begin partial mobilization of Russian military forces continues a confrontation between Russia and a U.S.-led coalition of Western nations that began at the end of the Cold War. By Scott Ritter Special to Consortium News War is never a solution; there are always alternativ
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