ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

TheSearcher

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vector7 said:
January 27, 2022 VICTORIA NULAND: “If Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another, Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.”
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1574767709258137606
View: https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1574767709258137606?t=HImpDiKDBuocmVMMSUOfhA&s=19

Biden: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."

Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since...the project is in Germany's control?"

Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that."
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1574758480178999299
View: https://twitter.com/ArtValley818_/status/1574758480178999299?t=niMTr0QPjyY3RmcBzlDQTQ&s=19
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That's not proof that we did it, but is definitely proof of why you have to be careful what you say. Biden is not careful in what he says.
 
von Koehler

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John Green said:
This is what I was wondering . A third party involved trying to get things moving along quickly ?
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Seems like something Klaus Schwab would orchestrate - get the peasants cold this winter and mad at Russia. The US neo-con's want a war with Russia. And this fits in with the plans of the Great Reset. There's no going back now.

This pipeline damage is certainly within the USA's capabilities.

This leaves the Ukainian gas pipelines as the only remaining viable option to bring Russian gas to Europa. Which increases Ukrainia's value to Europa.
 
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NEW Russian warships and Chinese guided missile cruiser spotted off Alaska island - reports


5:31 AM · Sep 27, 2022·Twitter for iPhone
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The question is "Are the Russian warships and Chinese guided missile cruiser armed with nuclear weapons?"

A nuclear attack will come without a formal declaration of war, I hope that everyone knows this.

What is the purpose of the Russian warships and Chinese guided missile cruiser? To take out the ABM base at Fort Greely? using cruise missiles?

Fort Greely is a United States Army launch site for anti-ballistic missiles located about 100 miles (160 km) southeast of Fairbanks, Alaska.
 
vector7

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TheSearcher said:
That's not proof that we did it, but is definitely proof of why you have to be careful what you say. Biden is not careful in what he says.
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"We" (Deep State/Liberal New World Order) has a lot of tentacles with global reach.

It's almost like when Biden told us he had the most extensive voter fraud organization in place for the 2020 election...
 
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kochevnik

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danielboon said:
BIDEN admits US behind sabotage of Nordstream 1 and 2. Biden: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2." Reporter: "But how will you do that, it's in germany's control?" Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that."
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For context - which was completely MISSING in the TB2K and twitter posts :o the Biden speech was from February - and also - at that time - the USA had already convinced the EU to refuse to certify NS II - which of course was one of the contributing factors for the war.

Basically the US and EU Positions were - a) we are NEVER going to certify NS II and b) if Russia invades Ukraine - we are going to shutdown NS II

so basically damned if u do, and damned if u don't.

just an FYI - the cost of the pipeline was about 15 billion euros and was covered by Gazprom plus some European energy companies - plus of course a lot of insurance companies I would guess as well.

It will be interesting to see the pattern of destruction - if a long section was taken out - then it wasnt Ukraine that did that since that would mean an extended time onsite (submarine ?). 100 pounds of TNT or the equivalent of that in something like C4 (1.34 x as strong as TNT) is certainly within the load and delivery capacity of an undersea ROV. The photos indicate a SINGLE blast (for each pipeline ?) based on bubbles on the surface. And of course a sub based attack could have mined a miles long section of the pipeline(s) and destroyed them. A single blast scenario could easily have been carried out by a small fishing vessel with an ROV onboard and is most certainly within the capabilities of Ukraine.

Also seems to me there has to be satellite footage of the area where the blasts were prepared and if it wasnt sub based then a ship would be hovering in place over the blast site and could be identified thru tracking. The US Russian and EU security apparatus would have to be pretty incompetent not to be able to figure out who did this - altho of course maybe NONE of them want peons like us to know the truth.

Whoever did this - it made the situation in Ukraine even more precarious for all sides IMO. Like we needed that.
 
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TheSearcher

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northern watch said:
The question is "Are the Russian warships and Chinese guided missile cruiser armed with nuclear weapons?"

A nuclear attack will come without a formal declaration of war, I hope that everyone knows this.

What is the purpose of the Russian warships and Chinese guided missile cruiser? To take out the ABM base at Fort Greely? using cruise missiles?

Fort Greely is a United States Army launch site for anti-ballistic missiles located about 100 miles (160 km) southeast of Fairbanks, Alaska.
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This could be a genuine problem. IIRC, those ABM systems are meant to hit stuff a little farther away. Being this close to Ft. Greely is like a knife fighter getting inside a swordsman's swing.
 
db cooper

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Countrymouse said:
These same photos were on every evening news broadcast tonight.

So if it's propaganda, whose is it? And who does it benefit?
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We don't do MSM news. Did the news give a source with date and location, and did it say "hundreds of thousands"? Even if there is a source, there are not hundreds of thousands. There are a few thousand vehicles there, and if they are men fleeing Russia, then a good percentage of those vehicles are likely draft dodgers - if so, probably a couple thousand or so, not a hundred thousand. That enormous figure unto itself is propaganda.

Who does it benefit? Come on now, it's been discussed to death on this board who propaganda benefits. If it comes from the Russians, then it benefits the Russians. If it is anti-Russian, then it benefits the deep state. This one here would benefit the deep state. More specifically, the tweet posted benefits the Twitter account holder, if that is the one that stated it was a hundred thousand. If the MSM news casts said it was a hundred thousand, then the deep state benefits.

I guess the biggest reason I hate propaganda has nothing to do with this war, the Uke's or the Ruskies. It has to do with the lying MSM for decades that has turned this country upside down. Every lie the MSM does is propaganda and is designed to hurt true Americans to the point that true Americans are now enemies of the state.
 
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kochevnik

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Vox Day is pretty convinced the Americans did it :

The US Shuts Off Europe's Lights - Vox Popoli

Less than 24 hours after Nord Stream 2 abruptly went down, Nord Stream 1 has been sabotaged as well. Yesterday evening, pressure in the undersea Nord Stream 2 pipeline suddenly collapsed, and gas could be seen bubbling to the surface of the Baltic Sea near the Danish island of Bornholm. Shortly...
voxday.net voxday.net

The US Shuts Off Europe’s Lights​

Less than 24 hours after Nord Stream 2 abruptly went down, Nord Stream 1 has been sabotaged as well.
Yesterday evening, pressure in the undersea Nord Stream 2 pipeline suddenly collapsed, and gas could be seen bubbling to the surface of the Baltic Sea near the Danish island of Bornholm. Shortly afterwards, reports came of a total collapse in the pressure of our other major undersea pipeline connection to Russia, Nord Stream 1, indicating a further rupture.
Government officials assume that the damage is intentional, and the result of an attack by foreign forces:
Due to the timing, the fact that three separate pipelines were affected, and the severe pressure losses in Nord Stream 1, officials expect the worst. “We can no longer imagine any scenario other than a targeted attack,” said a person privy to the assessment by the federal government and federal authorities. They added: “Everything speaks against a coincidence.”
Such an attack on the seabed would be anything but trivial; it would have to be carried out with special forces – for example, by navy divers or a submarine, people informed of initial assessments said.
With regard to responsibility for the alleged attacks, two possibilities are being discussed. First, according to initial speculation, Ukrainian or Ukrainian-affiliated forces could be responsible. With the temporary shutdown of the Nord Stream pipelines, gas deliveries from Russia to Germany and Central Europe would only be possible via the Yamal pipelinje running through Poland or the Ukrainian pipeline network.
The piece that I’ve bolded is of course a lightly disguised reference to the United States or NATO. This should surprise nobody: President Biden said in early February that in the event of a Russian invasion of Ukraine, “there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2, we will bring an end to it.”
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These are clear and obvious acts of war, not only against Russia, but against Western Europe as well. And not only is the Unidentified State Actor the primary suspect, with the means and the motivation to destroy the pipelines, but the Commander-in-Chief of the US military publicly threatened to do what has apparently now been done.
Biden: “If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine, again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”
Reporter: “But how will you do that, exactly, since the project, the control of the project, is in Germany’s control?”
Biden: “We will. I promise you, we will be able to do that.”
ABC News, 7 February 2022
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Gonzalo Lira is absolutely right. This is the modern equivalent of Cortez burning his ships upon arrival in the New World. Occam’s Razor strongly suggests that the global imperialists headquartered in the USA are attempting to prevent the Europeans from surrendering to Russia and thereby freeing themselves from the satanic New World Order.
“Now I realize that the Americans will stop at nothing to destroy all of their allies. Because what’s really happening is that the global American empire is collapsing and they are lashing out in all directions.”
At this point, every nation on Earth would have to be crazy to cooperate with the US government in any way, much less comply with its demands. This destruction of Europe’s energy lifelines underlines the truth of Henry Kissinger’s famous aphorism: “To be an enemy of the US is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.”
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kochevnik

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If the blasts were 24 hours apart then that implicates the Americans as well IMO.

Someone in a ship isnt going to sit there like a sitting duck when they could have set off all blasts simultaneously.

To set off one then wait to set off the others indicates a supreme show of confidence in abilities.

Another thing - if Biden did this - then I bet a lot of money he did NOT consult the EU before doing so - based on their thrashing around trying to figure out what is going on (also just my opinion).

I don't think Germany and company is going to be too happy about that slap in the face - especially when it could result in the complete collapse of ALL EU govts if the winter is bad enough and a lot of EU citizens end up 6 feet under.
 
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Some more interesting data :

www.eugyppius.com

Apparent Sabotage Disables Nord Stream 1 and 2, Cutting Off All Direct Gas Supply to Germany from Russia

Anonymous German officials appear to acknowledge the strong possibility of American or NATO involvement
www.eugyppius.com www.eugyppius.com

1) there are 2 leaks in NS I and one leak in NS 2

2) the photos of the bubbles are misleading the diameter of the leak on the surface is 1 KM wide

3) there was a explosive laden drone found near the pipeline in 2015 - no ID of the source

Explosive-Laden Drone Found Near Nord Stream Pipeline | Pipeline Technology Journal

Ruling out sabotage, the Swedish military has successfully cleared a remote operated vehicle (drone) rigged with explosives found near Line 2 of the Nord Stream Natural Gas offshore pipeline system.
www.pipeline-journal.net www.pipeline-journal.net

4) the attacks happened at a depth of about 70 meters

5) the company financing the pipeline has gone bankrupt

6) Nord Stream 1, consists of two parallel lines - thats why there were 2 explosions on that one and why the news keeps talking about THREE pipelines being damaged.

7) The Baltic Pipe, a new subsea pipeline delivering Norwegian gas to Poland with an annual capacity of 10 billion cubic metres per day, is due to be inaugurated later on Tuesday.
 
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alpha

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It may be my active imagination, but didn't Dmitry Medvedev say "there will be no going back" or something similar to that last week when discussing the European situation? This could be a Russian false flag to implicate the West and thereby justify further aggression.
 
vector7

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alpha

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Found it...

“There Is No Going Back”: Medvedev Doubles Down On Referendums, Putin Threats​

Dmitry Medvedev
Yekaterina Shtukina/TASS

Deputy Chairman of Russia's National Security Council Dmitry Medvedev, who has emerged as a consistent hawkish voice in Moscow, reacted to President Putin's mobilization announcement by drawing the connection between the escalation and the referendums called in occupied territories of Ukraine.
The referendums are expected to lead to the annexation of the Ukrainian territories, to become part of Russia. And thus future fighting in these areas will be considered an attack “inside” Russia.
Writing on his Telegram channel, Medvedev said the referendums planned in the Donbas republics were "of utmost importance" and would not be reversible.
"All the citizens of NATO countries have to understand that Russia chose its own path. There is no going back," he added. "Encroachment on Russian territory is a crime which allows you to use all the forces of self-defense.”
 
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Zagdid said:
Wondering if there are other pipelines that do not belong to Russia that might become damaged as well. New boundaries and all of that.
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raven said:
Why just pipelines?
Undersea cables . . . drilling platforms . . . windfarms on the water . . . offshore terminals
ships at sea

are satellites now valid targets?
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Raven's larger point - this is a war between the deep state/City of London/western central banking/capital markets which have tightfisted proxy control over the value of the U.S. dollar as a means to politically/economically bludgeon all into compliance/submission with their agenda/control - be it energy (historically a large part of their proxy control mechanism) or (s)elected political regimes throughout the world that will reliably guide/implement political policies/legislation that is favorable to the deep state agenda - and We, The People®.

Such deep state directed/controlled manipulations/forced agenda intent can include international corporations of every ilk - mining, shipping, drilling/energy exploration, food production, food processing, food distribution/retail, industrial design/engineering/product production and distribution, communications and high tech, local energy retail, water rights and wholesale/retail, legal and political, etc.

The scope of this "war" involves much more than simply Russian energy pipelines coming into Europe, or the Ukraine, or the Chinese anything.

It is about the utter stranglehold that the deep state has on international economics, and has for many decades, and the deep state's willingness to "go to the mat" on ANYTHING or ANYBODY that threatens their grip on international economics (read: tightfisted control of international economics = tightfisted control of governments, worldwide = control of individual international populations/politics).

Think BIG.

LOTS of moving parts.


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raven

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intothatgoodnight said:
Raven's larger point - this is a war between the deep state/City of London/western central banking/capital markets which have tightfisted proxy control over the value of the U.S. dollar as a means to politically/economically bludgeon all into compliance/submission with their agenda/control - be it energy (historically a large part of their proxy control mechanism) or (s)elected political regimes throughout the world that will reliably guide/implement political policies/legislation that is favorable to the deep state agenda.

Such deep state directed/controlled manipulations/forced agenda intent can include international corporations of every ilk - mining, shipping, drilling/energy exploration, food production, food processing, food distribution/retail, industrial design/engineering/product production and distribution, communications and high tech, local energy retail, water rights and wholesale/retail, legal and political, etc.

The scope of this "war" involves much more than simply Russian energy pipelines coming into Europe, or the Ukraine, or the Chinese anything.

It is about the utter stranglehold that the deep state has on international economics, and has for many decades, and the deep state's willingness to "go to the mat" on ANYTHING or ANYBODY that threatens their grip on international economics (read: tightfisted control of international economics = tightfisted control of governments, worldwide = control of individual international populations/politics).

Think BIG.

LOTS of moving parts.


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danielboon

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kochevnik said:
Some more interesting data :

www.eugyppius.com

Apparent Sabotage Disables Nord Stream 1 and 2, Cutting Off All Direct Gas Supply to Germany from Russia

Anonymous German officials appear to acknowledge the strong possibility of American or NATO involvement
www.eugyppius.com www.eugyppius.com

1) there are 2 leaks in NS I and one leak in NS 2

2) the photos of the bubbles are misleading the diameter of the leak on the surface is 1 KM wide

3) there was a explosive laden drone found near the pipeline in 2015 - no ID of the source

Explosive-Laden Drone Found Near Nord Stream Pipeline | Pipeline Technology Journal

Ruling out sabotage, the Swedish military has successfully cleared a remote operated vehicle (drone) rigged with explosives found near Line 2 of the Nord Stream Natural Gas offshore pipeline system.
www.pipeline-journal.net www.pipeline-journal.net

4) the attacks happened at a depth of about 70 meters

5) the company financing the pipeline has gone bankrupt
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At 70 meters it could have been anyone. That is not a difficult dive for professionals. As for the time difference they could have easily left a timed charge to blow later. There could still be a few out there. Drones would be even easier. Toss them over the side of the ship or release them from a submersible. Swim them next to the pipeline and let them do their thing. With timers these could have been planted weeks ago. It will be interesting to see what comes out. We will never know the truth.

Bottom line is that Europe isnt going back to Russian gas anytime soon and Russia cant sell its gas to Europe if it wanted to.

Also what effects will the seawater have inside that pipeline? At what point does corrosion make it too expensive to repair?
 
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kochevnik

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The US Navy ran BALT-OPS 22 an exercise off Bornholm demonstrating the capabilities of ROV technology in mine clearing tech in June of this year.

seapowermagazine.org

BALTOPS 22: A Perfect Opportunity for Research and Resting New Technology - Seapower

BALTIC SEA — A significant focus of BALTOPS every year is the demonstration of NATO mine hunting capabilities, and this year the U.S. Navy continues to use the exercise as an opportunity to test emerging technology, U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa...
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In support of BALTOPS, U.S. Navy 6th Fleet partnered with U.S. Navy research and warfare centers to bring the latest advancements in unmanned underwater vehicle mine hunting technology to the Baltic Sea to demonstrate the vehicle’s effectiveness in operational scenarios.
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Experimentation was conducted off the coast of Bornholm, Denmark, with participants from Naval Information Warfare Center Pacific, Naval Undersea Warfare Center Newport, and Mine Warfare Readiness and Effectiveness Measuring all under the direction of U.S. 6th Fleet Task Force 68.
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kochevnik said:
The US Navy ran BALT-OPS 22 an exercise off Bornholm demonstrating the capabilities of ROV technology in mine clearing tech in June of this year.

seapowermagazine.org

BALTOPS 22: A Perfect Opportunity for Research and Resting New Technology - Seapower

BALTIC SEA — A significant focus of BALTOPS every year is the demonstration of NATO mine hunting capabilities, and this year the U.S. Navy continues to use the exercise as an opportunity to test emerging technology, U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa...
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