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BREAKING: The Kremlin is considering the possibility of mobilizing citizens of the self-proclaimed republics of Abkhazia and South Ossetia for the war in Ukraine, source close to #Russia's presidential administration says - Meduza
View: https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1573766337868009473?s=20&t=7GVJsEjPPWX3TfOtDHVXzQ


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Samuel Ramani

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Russia is claiming 55.5% turnout in the first two days of the Donetsk referendum This the highest of the occupied territories and likely amounts to a de facto annexation as of tonight
 

mecoastie

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mzkitty

I give up.
Still trying to bail:

Translation:

After the partial mobilization in Russia, the number of people from this country to Georgia is constantly increasing.

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SageRock

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There have been some tabletop simulations on the topic of Russia-Ukraine-NATO going nuclear. Here is one article describing the results (spoiler: upwards of one billion dead). h/t Bongino Report, 19fortyfive.com.

NATO Intervention In Ukraine Could Spark Nuclear War. Here's How

NATO Intervention In Ukraine Could Spark Nuclear War. Here’s How It Could Happen​

BY: HARRY KAZIANIS
MARCH 04, 2022
7 MIN READ
Nuclear mushroom cloud

IMAGE CREDITOFFICIAL CTBTO PHOTOSTREAM/FLICKR/CC BY 2.0
In the simulation we mapped out, not only does NATO get sucked in unintentionally, but Russia releases nuclear weapons in its desperation.
Author Harry Kazianis profile

HARRY KAZIANIS

“How did we just kill a billion people?”

Over just three days, as I have done countless times over the last several years, a group of past and present senior U.S. government officials from both sides of the aisle gathered to wage a NATO-Russia war in a simulation at the end of 2019. In the course of what we called the NATO-Russia War of 2019, we estimated one billion people died. And if we aren’t careful, what happened in a simulation could happen if a NATO-Russia war erupts over Ukraine.

In fact, in the simulation I mentioned above from 2019, in which Russia invades Ukraine in a similar way as it did over the last week or so, not only does NATO get sucked in unintentionally, but Russia eventually releases nuclear weapons in its desperation. The result is an eventual escalation of bigger and more dangerous nuclear weapons whereby over one billion lives are lost.

But before we start staring into the abyss, allow me to explain the goal of such simulations. NATO clearly would have a massive conventional advantage in any war with Moscow, ensuring that in a straight-up fight Putin would lose. However, Russia has stated time and time again it will use nuclear weapons to defend its territory and its regime if it feels mortally threatened. Our simulation always seems to ask: Can we ever defeat Russian President Vladamir Putin in an armed conflict over Ukraine or the Baltics and not start a nuclear war in the process?

So far, over at least several years, and with at least 100 different participants that all held different ideas about war and political allegiances, the answer is a flat out no.

Setting the Scene for War​

The scenario the group decided to test back in late 2019 was similar to today: Russia decided to invade Ukraine under the excuse that it is must defend Russian-speaking peoples that are being “oppressed” by Ukraine’s fascist government. In our scenario, we assumed Russia performs far more admirably than it does today but has more limited objectives, in that Moscow wants to connect Crimea to separatist regions in Eastern Ukraine that are under its effective control. We assumed that Russia does that quickly, achieving most of its military objectives in roughly four days.

But Ukraine does not give up so easily, just like in real life today. Ukrainian forces, after taking heavy losses, mount an impressive counterattack, whereby Russia loses over 100 tanks and over 2,500 soldiers. Images on social media show Russian armor ablaze, elite Su-35 fighter jets are shut down from the skies, and arms are now flowing in from the West in massive numbers.

Putin is outraged. He thought Ukraine would simply roll over, but he does not factor into his calculus the nearly decades-long training Kyiv received from the U.S. and NATO nor Ukraine’s military build-up for the last several years that was focused on this scenario.

Russia then decides that its limited military objectives were a mistake, and that all of Ukraine must be “demilitarized.” Moscow then launches a massive ballistic and cruise missile strike followed up by Russia’s air force launching its own shock and awe campaign, destroying a vast majority of Ukraine’s command and control structure, air force, air defense, and armored units in the process. At the same time, Russia starts surging troops to the borders of Ukraine in what looks like an imminent general invasion and occupation of the entire country.

The Spark​

Here is where things take a turn for the worst. A Russian ballistic missile’s guidance system fails and crash-lands into NATO member Poland, killing 34 civilians as it tragically lands into a populated village along the Polish-Ukraine border. While the missile was not directed at Poland intentionally, pictures on social media show children crying for their mothers and bodies left unrecognizable, and demands for justice and revenge mount.

To its credit, Poland, which has its own tortured history with the Soviet Union and Russia, does its best to show restraint. While not responding with its own military, it leads an effort to see that Moscow pays a steep price for its aggression in Ukraine and actions, even unintentional, in Poland. Warsaw leads a diplomatic and economic boycott of Moscow resulting in Russia being kicked out of SWIFT as well as direct sanctions on Russian banks, similar to what we are seeing today.

In our scenario, Russia’s reaction is also swift. Moscow decides to launch a massive cyber attack on Poland, having based cyber warriors all throughout NATO territory, using their geography and proxy servers to mask the origin of the attack. Russia, in just two hours, takes off-line Poland’s entire electrical grid, banking sector, energy plants, and more — essentially taking Poland back to the stone age.

And this is where the nightmare begins. Even though attribution is hard to achieve, Poland appeals to NATO and starts to privately share its desire to invoke Article 5 of the NATO Charter, declaring that an attack on one is an attack on the entire alliance. NATO is worried, as there is debate on how far to punish Russia while also feeling as if they do not have a clear military objective amongst the member states as some want to respond to what happened to Poland while others feel they must intervene militarily in Ukraine.

The Response​

Here is where NATO surprises everyone. The alliance decides to set up a limited no-fly zone around the Ukrainian city of Lviv to protect innocent civilians and refugees that are trapped and have nowhere to go. Russia is warned: NATO is not intervening in the conflict, but will ensure that its planes and the airspace around Lviv are protected. NATO does make clear its jets will be in the skies above Ukraine, but will not operate from Ukrainian territory.

In Moscow, Putin now gets a sense that NATO is destined to intervene on Ukraine’s side. Russia fears NATO will use this protected corridor as a base of operations to send ever more sophisticated weapons. And with its economy now in a tailspin due to sanctions, Putin feels the walls closing in him. Before NATO can impose its no-fly zone, Putin orders strikes on any remaining airfields and military assets around Lviv.

But here is where Putin miscalculates and sets the stage for a NATO-Russia war. Putin orders another massive cyber attack on the Baltic states’ military infrastructure, thinking that NATO will use the Baltics to stage an invasion of Russia.
This ends up being the last straw for NATO, which then decides direct intervention in Ukraine is necessary to push back against Russian aggression. Before even an announcement is made, Russian intelligence sees missile and troop movements that indicate an impending NATO attack and decide to strike first — with tactical nuclear weapons. NATO decides to respond in kind.

Russia then targets European cities with nuclear weapons, with NATO and America also responding in kind. What is left is nothing short of an apocalypse, with what we estimate is billion people dead.

No War Goes As Planned​

In every scenario I have been a part of there is one common theme to all of them: When Vladimir Putin feels boxed in and feels Russia is directly threatened, usually from a mistake he makes on the battlefield, he decides to use whatever escalatory step he desires to try and make up for it.

While we may well soon see Ukraine and Russia find a diplomatic path out of this brutal war, both sides seem dug in. That means the chances for escalation like the above are high. And if Russia and NATO do become involved in direct conflict, Putin knows that in a conventional fight his regime would be defeated. That means Russia will choose nuclear war.

The only question in a NATO-Russia war seems obvious: how many millions or billions of people would die?


Harry J. Kazianis is director of defense studies at the Center for the National Interest in Washington DC and executive editor of their publishing arm, The National Interest. The views expressed in this article are his own. He's on Twitter @grecianformula.
 

northern watch

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Large Ukrainian casualties in Nikolaev: Fierce fighting on all fronts just before the declaration of all-out war – Fierce bombardments​

Fierce clashes in forests and trenches - Snipers reap​

25/09/2022 - 01:25
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Clashes between Russian and Ukrainian forces escalate along the 1,000-km-long line of contact shortly before Moscow declared all-out war.

Ukrainians are pushing for quick territorial gains before the arrival of Russian reinforcements but Russian forces appear to be stabilizing the front.


The Russians are now using more "kamikaze" drones, either Iranian or Russian Zala, in an attempt to inflict serious Ukrainian casualties at low cost that will "extinguish" their counterattacks.

Russian air force and missile forces bombard on the Nikolaev-Kherson front, areas that ukrainians record the most serious casualties.

700 Ukrainians were killed in the last 24 hours.

500 dead Ukrainian soldiers in Nikolaev​

In the area of Nikolaev, Ukrainian forces received a series of blows, resulting in serious casualties.

"The high-precision blows of the Russian Aerospace Forces on the positions of the 28th motorized and 59th motorized infantry brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near the city of Nikolaev, as well as the 61st Jaeger infantry brigade in the Ternovka region of Nikolaev, killed more than 200 nationalists, destroyed 3 tanks and 16 armored combat vehicles," the defense ministry's message reads.

In addition, another 300 were killed by a missile attack against a place of temporary deployment of mercenaries near the village of Kalinovka in the Nikolaev region.

Serious losses of the Ukrainians along the front​

On the last day, significant Ukrainian forces have been killed, the Russian Defense Ministry said at a briefing on the situation in the war zone.

► As a result of fierce attacks, the losses of the 14th and 92nd mechanized brigade in the Kupyansk region in Kharkov, as well as the 66th mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Shchurovo region of the Donetsk People's Republic, amounted to more than 140 soldiers while 19 units of military equipment were destroyed.

► As a result of an unsuccessful attempt by the 10th Mountain Assault Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine towards the settlement of Berestovoe in the Donetsk People's Republic, 48 Ukrainian soldiers were killed, including 7 officers. 4 units of armored vehicles were destroyed.

► Operational-tactical and military aviation, missile forces and artillery hit five command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the Kupyansk settlements, Kharkiv region, Nikolaevka region, Donetsk People's Republic, Kirovo, Zaporizhye, Kostromka, Kherson region, and Bereznegovatoe, Nikolaev region, as well as 62 artillery units and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 153 areas.

-Three depots of ammunition, missiles and artillery were destroyed in the areas of the Settlements of Annovka in the Donetsk People's Republic, Sladkoe and Uspenovka in the Zaporizhye region. Also, the radar station of the Ukrainian anti-aircraft system S-300 was destroyed in the area of the settlement of Udachnoye of the Donetsk People's Republic, and in the area of the settlement of Mikhailo- Zavodskoye of the Dnepropetrovsk region, the Norwegian anti-artillery radar "ARTUR" was destroyed.

-In the village of Sergeevka, in the Dnepropetrovsk region, a fighter of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down a MiG-29 of the Ukrainian air force, which had been converted to use American HARM anti-radar missiles.

-During the day, Russian air defense systems shot down seven unmanned aerial vehicles in the areas of the settlements of Staromlynovka, Valeryanovka, Kirillovka of the Donetsk People's Republic, Reshetilovskoe and Lyubimovka of the Zaporizhye region, Chkalovo and Kirovo of the Kherson region.

-42 MLRS HIMARS and Vilkha system shells, as well as three HARM anti-radar missiles were shot down in the Novaya Kakhovka region of the Kherson region. In addition, two regular Tochka-U missiles were intercepted over the settlements of Matrosovka and Korsunka in Kherson.

 
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raven

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There have been some tabletop simulations on the topic of Russia-Ukraine-NATO going nuclear. Here is one article describing the results (spoiler: upwards of one billion dead). h/t Bongino Report, 19fortyfive.com.

NATO Intervention In Ukraine Could Spark Nuclear War. Here's How

NATO Intervention In Ukraine Could Spark Nuclear War. Here’s How It Could Happen​

BY: HARRY KAZIANIS
MARCH 04, 2022
7 MIN READ
Nuclear mushroom cloud

IMAGE CREDITOFFICIAL CTBTO PHOTOSTREAM/FLICKR/CC BY 2.0
In the simulation we mapped out, not only does NATO get sucked in unintentionally, but Russia releases nuclear weapons in its desperation.
Author Harry Kazianis profile

HARRY KAZIANIS

“How did we just kill a billion people?”

Over just three days, as I have done countless times over the last several years, a group of past and present senior U.S. government officials from both sides of the aisle gathered to wage a NATO-Russia war in a simulation at the end of 2019. In the course of what we called the NATO-Russia War of 2019, we estimated one billion people died. And if we aren’t careful, what happened in a simulation could happen if a NATO-Russia war erupts over Ukraine.

In fact, in the simulation I mentioned above from 2019, in which Russia invades Ukraine in a similar way as it did over the last week or so, not only does NATO get sucked in unintentionally, but Russia eventually releases nuclear weapons in its desperation. The result is an eventual escalation of bigger and more dangerous nuclear weapons whereby over one billion lives are lost.

But before we start staring into the abyss, allow me to explain the goal of such simulations. NATO clearly would have a massive conventional advantage in any war with Moscow, ensuring that in a straight-up fight Putin would lose. However, Russia has stated time and time again it will use nuclear weapons to defend its territory and its regime if it feels mortally threatened. Our simulation always seems to ask: Can we ever defeat Russian President Vladamir Putin in an armed conflict over Ukraine or the Baltics and not start a nuclear war in the process?

So far, over at least several years, and with at least 100 different participants that all held different ideas about war and political allegiances, the answer is a flat out no.

Setting the Scene for War​

The scenario the group decided to test back in late 2019 was similar to today: Russia decided to invade Ukraine under the excuse that it is must defend Russian-speaking peoples that are being “oppressed” by Ukraine’s fascist government. In our scenario, we assumed Russia performs far more admirably than it does today but has more limited objectives, in that Moscow wants to connect Crimea to separatist regions in Eastern Ukraine that are under its effective control. We assumed that Russia does that quickly, achieving most of its military objectives in roughly four days.

But Ukraine does not give up so easily, just like in real life today. Ukrainian forces, after taking heavy losses, mount an impressive counterattack, whereby Russia loses over 100 tanks and over 2,500 soldiers. Images on social media show Russian armor ablaze, elite Su-35 fighter jets are shut down from the skies, and arms are now flowing in from the West in massive numbers.

Putin is outraged. He thought Ukraine would simply roll over, but he does not factor into his calculus the nearly decades-long training Kyiv received from the U.S. and NATO nor Ukraine’s military build-up for the last several years that was focused on this scenario.

Russia then decides that its limited military objectives were a mistake, and that all of Ukraine must be “demilitarized.” Moscow then launches a massive ballistic and cruise missile strike followed up by Russia’s air force launching its own shock and awe campaign, destroying a vast majority of Ukraine’s command and control structure, air force, air defense, and armored units in the process. At the same time, Russia starts surging troops to the borders of Ukraine in what looks like an imminent general invasion and occupation of the entire country.

The Spark​

Here is where things take a turn for the worst. A Russian ballistic missile’s guidance system fails and crash-lands into NATO member Poland, killing 34 civilians as it tragically lands into a populated village along the Polish-Ukraine border. While the missile was not directed at Poland intentionally, pictures on social media show children crying for their mothers and bodies left unrecognizable, and demands for justice and revenge mount.

To its credit, Poland, which has its own tortured history with the Soviet Union and Russia, does its best to show restraint. While not responding with its own military, it leads an effort to see that Moscow pays a steep price for its aggression in Ukraine and actions, even unintentional, in Poland. Warsaw leads a diplomatic and economic boycott of Moscow resulting in Russia being kicked out of SWIFT as well as direct sanctions on Russian banks, similar to what we are seeing today.

In our scenario, Russia’s reaction is also swift. Moscow decides to launch a massive cyber attack on Poland, having based cyber warriors all throughout NATO territory, using their geography and proxy servers to mask the origin of the attack. Russia, in just two hours, takes off-line Poland’s entire electrical grid, banking sector, energy plants, and more — essentially taking Poland back to the stone age.

And this is where the nightmare begins. Even though attribution is hard to achieve, Poland appeals to NATO and starts to privately share its desire to invoke Article 5 of the NATO Charter, declaring that an attack on one is an attack on the entire alliance. NATO is worried, as there is debate on how far to punish Russia while also feeling as if they do not have a clear military objective amongst the member states as some want to respond to what happened to Poland while others feel they must intervene militarily in Ukraine.

The Response​

Here is where NATO surprises everyone. The alliance decides to set up a limited no-fly zone around the Ukrainian city of Lviv to protect innocent civilians and refugees that are trapped and have nowhere to go. Russia is warned: NATO is not intervening in the conflict, but will ensure that its planes and the airspace around Lviv are protected. NATO does make clear its jets will be in the skies above Ukraine, but will not operate from Ukrainian territory.

In Moscow, Putin now gets a sense that NATO is destined to intervene on Ukraine’s side. Russia fears NATO will use this protected corridor as a base of operations to send ever more sophisticated weapons. And with its economy now in a tailspin due to sanctions, Putin feels the walls closing in him. Before NATO can impose its no-fly zone, Putin orders strikes on any remaining airfields and military assets around Lviv.

But here is where Putin miscalculates and sets the stage for a NATO-Russia war. Putin orders another massive cyber attack on the Baltic states’ military infrastructure, thinking that NATO will use the Baltics to stage an invasion of Russia.
This ends up being the last straw for NATO, which then decides direct intervention in Ukraine is necessary to push back against Russian aggression. Before even an announcement is made, Russian intelligence sees missile and troop movements that indicate an impending NATO attack and decide to strike first — with tactical nuclear weapons. NATO decides to respond in kind.

Russia then targets European cities with nuclear weapons, with NATO and America also responding in kind. What is left is nothing short of an apocalypse, with what we estimate is billion people dead.

No War Goes As Planned​

In every scenario I have been a part of there is one common theme to all of them: When Vladimir Putin feels boxed in and feels Russia is directly threatened, usually from a mistake he makes on the battlefield, he decides to use whatever escalatory step he desires to try and make up for it.

While we may well soon see Ukraine and Russia find a diplomatic path out of this brutal war, both sides seem dug in. That means the chances for escalation like the above are high. And if Russia and NATO do become involved in direct conflict, Putin knows that in a conventional fight his regime would be defeated. That means Russia will choose nuclear war.

The only question in a NATO-Russia war seems obvious: how many millions or billions of people would die?


Harry J. Kazianis is director of defense studies at the Center for the National Interest in Washington DC and executive editor of their publishing arm, The National Interest. The views expressed in this article are his own. He's on Twitter @grecianformula.
In short,
"Can we ever defeat Russian President Vladamir Putin in an armed conflict over Ukraine or the Baltics and not start a nuclear war in the process?

So far, over at least several years, and with at least 100 different participants that all held different ideas about war and political allegiances,
the answer is a flat out no."
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic
I presume with American ammunition or planes, and with the aid of American radar / tracking? (I remember that we were supplying military advice to that extent, from earlier posts here)
Russia has been fighting a war with one hand tied behind its back, like the US in Nam. Example Russia not attacking US satellites, recon planes, droves. When the kid gloves come off expect these things to be destroyed.
 

Knoxville's Joker

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Russia has been fighting a war with one hand tied behind its back, like the US in Nam. Example Russia not attacking US satellites, recon planes, droves. When the kid gloves come off expect these things to be destroyed.

Russia I also believe is taking the high road to crucify the guilty parties later. They remember Nuremburg and are keeping tabs on things.
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic

Poland prepares for nuclear disaster: V. Putin on Thursday ratifies the change of borders & delivers an ultimatum to Ukraine...​

"Fast-track" dissolution of Ukraine - Watch video of the mobilization of the Russians​

24/09/2022 - 22:57
War News 24 / 7

With "fast-track" procedures comes the dissolution of Ukraine as the Russian State Duma (Lower House of Parliament) will put for discussion next Thursday, September 29, the bills incorporating the 4 former Ukrainian regions in which the referendums are now being held.

Therefore, immediately after the end of the referendums on the 27th of the month in Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporizhye and Kherson, the ratification of the change of borders will follow on September 29.

Shortly afterwards, Russia's president, V.Putin, is expected to deliver a new address in which he will declare martial law and deliver an ultimatum to the Ukrainians to withdraw within 24 hours from the territories that now belong to Russia.

Otherwise Russia will declare war on Ukraine by abolishing the term "special military operation" and everything that this entails. It will be an all-out war.


Reports indicate that Russian President Vladimir Putin may speak at the Federal Assembly on September 30.

That's when the Russian ultimatum is expected to be delivered to the Ukrainians.

In this way, the report of WarNews247 two months ago about the " "fast-track" dissolution of Ukraine will be confirmed.

On Thursday, the borders between Russia and Ukraine change!​

In more detail, the Russian State Duma (Lower House of Parliament) will put for discussion next Thursday, September 29, bills incorporating parts of Ukraine into Russia, the Russian news agency TASS reported today, citing an unnamed source.

The TASS telegram was relayed by Reuters.

Moscow began holding referendums on accession to Russia in four occupied areas of Ukraine yesterday, Friday, prompting condemnation from Kiev and the West, which rejected the votes as a fraud and pledged not to acknowledge their results.

The vote is expected to conclude on Tuesday.

The Russian news agency TASS already gave a first picture from the referendums.

According to his report, the first day of the referendum in the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics went smoothly.

At the same time, both republics reported bombings from Ukraine.

In fact, one person was killed west of Donetsk, while in the city of Rubiznoye in the Lugansk People's Republic people were forced to vote in a shelter.

Due to the possibility of Ukrainian strikes, some polling stations, in particular those in Alchevsk and Severodonetsk, were closed earlier than expected.

How many voted?

More than 20% of citizens had reportedly voted in the Republics of Donbass (Donetsk and Lugansk) at 20:00 on Friday.

23.64% of those registered on the electoral roll in the Donetsk People's Republic and 21.97% of those registered in the Lugansk People's Republic participated in the vote.

According to TASS, 15.31% of voters participated in the process in the Kherson region and 20.52% in Zaporizhia.

They distribute potassium iodide tablets to schools in Poland!​

"Poland has begun to prepare for a nuclear disaster," reports the newspaper Rzeczpospolita, which adds that "schools in Poland are preparing to distribute potassium iodide tablets to children "due to the escalation in Ukraine"

Such information can be found from Warsaw, among others. There, the Metropolitan City Council reported that "preparations are underway to distribute tablets containing potassium iodide in case of radiant emergency."

School principals were informed that they can participate in the distribution of protective equipment against the effects of radiation.

Potassium iodide is a substance that prevents the absorption of radioactive iodine-131. It is administered in the event of a radiological emergency and school heads may be involved. This is the result of the briefing given to the principals of the National Association of Educational Staff.

"They inform us of meetings during which they are obliged by the municipalities to hand out tablets in case of a possible threat. Some people hear that they will have six hours for such a distribution since the announcement of the alarm, although it is not certain whether the process will be the same everywhere," Marek Pleśniar, director of OSKKO's office, tells "Rzeczpospolita".

It adds that such signals flow from Warsaw, among others. Indeed, the council of the capital confirms that "preparations for the distribution of tablets containing potassium iodide are carried out in case of emergency due to radiation leakage."

"The above is carried out by the city hall in close coordination with the regional offices, preparing distribution points in the areas (indicated by the mayors) and indicating coordinators who are responsible for conducting the action in the region,"
says Jakub Leduchowski, spokesman for the city of Warsaw.

"The spread of potassium iodide is linked to hostilities in the zaporizhye nuclear power plant area," adds Rzeczpospolita. But this is not absolute...

"The distribution of the pills will begin after the adoption of mazowiecki's decree," said the press secretary of warsaw judge Jakub Leduchowski.

 
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northern watch

TB Fanatic

Poland prepares for nuclear disaster: V. Putin on Thursday ratifies the change of borders & delivers an ultimatum to Ukraine...​

"Fast-track" dissolution of Ukraine - Watch video of the mobilization of the Russians​

24/09/2022 - 22:57
War News 24 / 7

With "fast-track" procedures comes the dissolution of Ukraine as the Russian State Duma (Lower House of Parliament) will put for discussion next Thursday, September 29, the bills incorporating the 4 former Ukrainian regions in which the referendums are now being held.

Therefore, immediately after the end of the referendums on the 27th of the month in Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporizhye and Kherson, the ratification of the change of borders will follow on September 29.

Shortly afterwards, Russia's president, V.Putin, is expected to deliver a new address in which he will declare martial law and deliver an ultimatum to the Ukrainians to withdraw within 24 hours from the territories that now belong to Russia.

Otherwise Russia will declare war on Ukraine by abolishing the term "special military operation" and everything that this entails. It will be an all-out war.


Reports indicate that Russian President Vladimir Putin may speak at the Federal Assembly on September 30.

That's when the Russian ultimatum is expected to be delivered to the Ukrainians.

In this way, the report of WarNews247 two months ago about the " "fast-track" dissolution of Ukraine will be confirmed.

On Thursday, the borders between Russia and Ukraine change!​

In more detail, the Russian State Duma (Lower House of Parliament) will put for discussion next Thursday, September 29, bills incorporating parts of Ukraine into Russia, the Russian news agency TASS reported today, citing an unnamed source.

The TASS telegram was relayed by Reuters.

Moscow began holding referendums on accession to Russia in four occupied areas of Ukraine yesterday, Friday, prompting condemnation from Kiev and the West, which rejected the votes as a fraud and pledged not to acknowledge their results.

The vote is expected to conclude on Tuesday.

The Russian news agency TASS already gave a first picture from the referendums.

According to his report, the first day of the referendum in the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics went smoothly.

At the same time, both republics reported bombings from Ukraine.

In fact, one person was killed west of Donetsk, while in the city of Rubiznoye in the Lugansk People's Republic people were forced to vote in a shelter.

Due to the possibility of Ukrainian strikes, some polling stations, in particular those in Alchevsk and Severodonetsk, were closed earlier than expected.

How many voted?

More than 20% of citizens had reportedly voted in the Republics of Donbass (Donetsk and Lugansk) at 20:00 on Friday.

23.64% of those registered on the electoral roll in the Donetsk People's Republic and 21.97% of those registered in the Lugansk People's Republic participated in the vote.

According to TASS, 15.31% of voters participated in the process in the Kherson region and 20.52% in Zaporizhia.

They distribute potassium iodide tablets to schools in Poland!​

"Poland has begun to prepare for a nuclear disaster," reports the newspaper Rzeczpospolita, which adds that "schools in Poland are preparing to distribute potassium iodide tablets to children "due to the escalation in Ukraine"

Such information can be found from Warsaw, among others. There, the Metropolitan City Council reported that "preparations are underway to distribute tablets containing potassium iodide in case of radiant emergency."

School principals were informed that they can participate in the distribution of protective equipment against the effects of radiation.

Potassium iodide is a substance that prevents the absorption of radioactive iodine-131. It is administered in the event of a radiological emergency and school heads may be involved. This is the result of the briefing given to the principals of the National Association of Educational Staff.

"They inform us of meetings during which they are obliged by the municipalities to hand out tablets in case of a possible threat. Some people hear that they will have six hours for such a distribution since the announcement of the alarm, although it is not certain whether the process will be the same everywhere," Marek Pleśniar, director of OSKKO's office, tells "Rzeczpospolita".

It adds that such signals flow from Warsaw, among others. Indeed, the council of the capital confirms that "preparations for the distribution of tablets containing potassium iodide are carried out in case of emergency due to radiation leakage."

"The above is carried out by the city hall in close coordination with the regional offices, preparing distribution points in the areas (indicated by the mayors) and indicating coordinators who are responsible for conducting the action in the region,"
says Jakub Leduchowski, spokesman for the city of Warsaw.

"The spread of potassium iodide is linked to hostilities in the zaporizhye nuclear power plant area," adds Rzeczpospolita. But this is not absolute...

"The distribution of the pills will begin after the adoption of mazowiecki's decree," said the press secretary of warsaw judge Jakub Leduchowski.

Well there it is, the rubber meets the road.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city

Poland prepares for nuclear disaster: V. Putin on Thursday ratifies the change of borders & delivers an ultimatum to Ukraine...​

"Fast-track" dissolution of Ukraine - Watch video of the mobilization of the Russians​

24/09/2022 - 22:57
War News 24 / 7

With "fast-track" procedures comes the dissolution of Ukraine as the Russian State Duma (Lower House of Parliament) will put for discussion next Thursday, September 29, the bills incorporating the 4 former Ukrainian regions in which the referendums are now being held.

Therefore, immediately after the end of the referendums on the 27th of the month in Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporizhye and Kherson, the ratification of the change of borders will follow on September 29.

Shortly afterwards, Russia's president, V.Putin, is expected to deliver a new address in which he will declare martial law and deliver an ultimatum to the Ukrainians to withdraw within 24 hours from the territories that now belong to Russia.

Otherwise Russia will declare war on Ukraine by abolishing the term "special military operation" and everything that this entails. It will be an all-out war.


Reports indicate that Russian President Vladimir Putin may speak at the Federal Assembly on September 30.

That's when the Russian ultimatum is expected to be delivered to the Ukrainians.

In this way, the report of WarNews247 two months ago about the " "fast-track" dissolution of Ukraine will be confirmed.

On Thursday, the borders between Russia and Ukraine change!​

In more detail, the Russian State Duma (Lower House of Parliament) will put for discussion next Thursday, September 29, bills incorporating parts of Ukraine into Russia, the Russian news agency TASS reported today, citing an unnamed source.

The TASS telegram was relayed by Reuters.

Moscow began holding referendums on accession to Russia in four occupied areas of Ukraine yesterday, Friday, prompting condemnation from Kiev and the West, which rejected the votes as a fraud and pledged not to acknowledge their results.

The vote is expected to conclude on Tuesday.

The Russian news agency TASS already gave a first picture from the referendums.

According to his report, the first day of the referendum in the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics went smoothly.

At the same time, both republics reported bombings from Ukraine.

In fact, one person was killed west of Donetsk, while in the city of Rubiznoye in the Lugansk People's Republic people were forced to vote in a shelter.

Due to the possibility of Ukrainian strikes, some polling stations, in particular those in Alchevsk and Severodonetsk, were closed earlier than expected.

How many voted?

More than 20% of citizens had reportedly voted in the Republics of Donbass (Donetsk and Lugansk) at 20:00 on Friday.

23.64% of those registered on the electoral roll in the Donetsk People's Republic and 21.97% of those registered in the Lugansk People's Republic participated in the vote.

According to TASS, 15.31% of voters participated in the process in the Kherson region and 20.52% in Zaporizhia.

They distribute potassium iodide tablets to schools in Poland!​

"Poland has begun to prepare for a nuclear disaster," reports the newspaper Rzeczpospolita, which adds that "schools in Poland are preparing to distribute potassium iodide tablets to children "due to the escalation in Ukraine"

Such information can be found from Warsaw, among others. There, the Metropolitan City Council reported that "preparations are underway to distribute tablets containing potassium iodide in case of radiant emergency."

School principals were informed that they can participate in the distribution of protective equipment against the effects of radiation.

Potassium iodide is a substance that prevents the absorption of radioactive iodine-131. It is administered in the event of a radiological emergency and school heads may be involved. This is the result of the briefing given to the principals of the National Association of Educational Staff.

"They inform us of meetings during which they are obliged by the municipalities to hand out tablets in case of a possible threat. Some people hear that they will have six hours for such a distribution since the announcement of the alarm, although it is not certain whether the process will be the same everywhere," Marek Pleśniar, director of OSKKO's office, tells "Rzeczpospolita".

It adds that such signals flow from Warsaw, among others. Indeed, the council of the capital confirms that "preparations for the distribution of tablets containing potassium iodide are carried out in case of emergency due to radiation leakage."

"The above is carried out by the city hall in close coordination with the regional offices, preparing distribution points in the areas (indicated by the mayors) and indicating coordinators who are responsible for conducting the action in the region,"
says Jakub Leduchowski, spokesman for the city of Warsaw.

"The spread of potassium iodide is linked to hostilities in the zaporizhye nuclear power plant area," adds Rzeczpospolita. But this is not absolute...

"The distribution of the pills will begin after the adoption of mazowiecki's decree," said the press secretary of warsaw judge Jakub Leduchowski.

On Thursday, the borders between Russia and Ukraine change!​

In more detail, the Russian State Duma (Lower House of Parliament) will put for discussion next Thursday, September 29, bills incorporating parts of Ukraine into Russia, the Russian news agency TASS reported today, citing an unnamed source.

The TASS telegram was relayed by Reuters.

Moscow began holding referendums on accession to Russia in four occupied areas of Ukraine yesterday, Friday, prompting condemnation from Kiev and the West, which rejected the votes as a fraud and pledged not to acknowledge their results.

The vote is expected to conclude on Tuesday.


September 29.

Same day (isn't it?) the railroad strike was to originally begin?
 

jward

passin' thru

Ukraine Situation Report: Multiple Russian Aircraft Shot Down In A Day​


Stetson Payne, Tyler Rogoway​


The Ukrainian General Staff claimed troops shot down two Russian Su-30SM Flankers, a Su-25SM Frogfoot, a Su-34 Fullback, five drones, and a cruise missile. Footage showed a Su-34 trailing fire from its right engine over the frontline in Kharkiv Oblast, with a later clip showing a fireball and crash site in the area.
Later videos showed an Su-30SM crashing after being hit by a missile, with two parachutes seen descending nearby. Ukraine's total shootdown claims cannot be independently confirmed at this time, though multiple aircraft do appear to have been shot down.


It isn't clear what has caused this spike in sorties and shoot-downs, but it is possible that pressure for the Russian Air Force to halt Ukraine's progress on the battlefield and complicate its forces' ability to hold recaptured territory has increased. Forward-deployed medium and long-range Ukrainian air defenses mean even high-end tactical jets cannot operate at altitude, which pushes them down into the MANPADS envelope. We see the results of that reality today.
Drones are a growing concern. Russian forces sent waves of Iranian drones against targets far from the frontlines on September 23. Losses like Saturday’s and throughout the war in Ukraine are exactly why Russia wanted the Iranian drones in the first place.

Drones can be expendable and cost-effective. Jets, helicopters, and pilots are not. This is especially true for striking into the western areas of Ukraine where Russian airpower cannot operate without extreme risk. Using drones for smaller targets beyond the front lines instead of standoff land attack cruise and ballistic missiles, which are very costly and in dwindling supply, opens up a whole new set of tactics and access to targets for Russia. Suicide drones can also sniff-out Ukrainian air defense radars and attack them over great ranges, which could impact Ukraine's ability to deny Russian airpower access beyond the front lines. Even if shot down, they consume Ukraine's precious surface-to-air missile stockpile. We wrote about Iran's drones' appearance in Ukraine and recent use, which you can read about here.
Kyiv isn’t taking too kindly to Iran supplying the drones, however. Ukraine has not only condemned the drone supplies, but further stripped the Iranian ambassador’s title and reached out to Israel for any intelligence it can provide on Tehran.
Before heading into the latest updates from Ukraine, The War Zone readers can get caught up on our previous rolling coverage here.

The Latest​

Mobilization’s impact continued to be seen in Russia on Saturday, with woes ranging from disturbing to comical. Recently mobilized conscripts shared videos of the gear Moscow has for its reservists. Because nothing says desperate measures quite like AKs rusted from butt to barrel.
When reservists bring their own equipment, however, the military is reportedly confiscating it for use elsewhere. It’s unclear how broadly this applies and whether it is strictly medical supplies or things like uniforms, tools, or navigation equipment.

The general trend of mobilized men stumbling dead drunk continues. And while we’re not entirely sure, there’s probably some vodka-flavored overlap with the guy shown below doing Lada bodywork with his forehead.
Mobilization clearly doesn't translate to military discipline, either. Case in point is the video below. The conscripts tell the uniformed Russian soldiers exactly what they can do with their drill formation.
In the Siberian city of Omsk, it appears things seriously escalated long before anyone thought to order rank and file. Mobilized conscripts got into a brawl with local police, who the conscripts say ought to come along with them to the Ukrainian trenches.
Unrest over mobilization has spread across Russia, as evidenced in videos and an assessment from the Institute for the Study of War.
Apart from protests and Molotov cocktail attacks on government and military recruitment centers, the unrest remains vividly clear on Russia’s borders. Google traffic data still shows congestion on roads leading into Kazakhstan, Finland, and Georgia.

The Russian exodus into Georgia is particularly ironic considering the last time this many Russians headed through the Caucasus, the Russians invaded.
Elsewhere, European Union Council President called on the alliance’s members to welcome those Russians unwilling to support their country’s war in Ukraine in a speech at the United Nations General Assembly.
Michel told Politico the EU should be willing to give safe harbor “to those who don’t want to be instrumentalized by the Kremlin.” Michel additionally called for Russia’s suspension from the U.N. Security Council.
Despite mobilization’s chaotic effects inside Russia, accounts from the frontline suggest combat units are critically undermanned. A post on Telegram reports there are brigades, nominally several thousand troops, that are down to only 60 infantrymen.

Combat brigades bleeding down to two platoons of infantrymen is an abominable attrition rate. Moscow’s desperate measures may be necessary at this point, ineffective as they are, if they want to continue the war.
One thing’s for sure, Ukraine doesn’t care what caliber of Russians it has to fight.
As far as the war itself, the latest update from the British Ministry of Defense reported on Russian strikes against dams on the Siverskyy Donets River trying to flood crossings downstream. However, any subsequent flooding is “unlikely to have caused significant disruption to Ukrainian operations.”

Amid Ukraine’s continued advance, the New York Times reported Friday that Russian President Vladimir Putin has put himself in the middle of his commander’s operations. Specifically, Putin has reportedly refused requests to retreat from Kherson.
History hasn’t exactly been kind to autocrats with operational control, as the heavily memed Führerbunker scene from 2004’s “Downfall” comes to mind. Putin did make a significant change, however, removing Deputy Defense Minister for Logistics Gen. Dmitry Bulgakov from his post.

Bulgakov’s replacement is reportedly Colonel-General Mikhail Mizintsev, the former head of the National Defense Management Center. Mizintsev’s reputation precedes himself, having earned the moniker “Butcher of Mariupol” for his role in Russia’s assault on the port city this spring.
New pictures of Antonivksky Bridge show the damage after months of strikes by Ukrainian HIMARS. If Putin relents to his generals’ reported wishes, they’ll need another way over the Dnieper.
American troops have reportedly set up “battlefield hotlines” for Ukrainian troops to troubleshoot equipment like HIMARS in the field, according to a report from the Wall Street Journal.
We wrote about the peculiar lack of tech support for Ukrainian soldiers, specifically with the FGM-148 Javelin missile, which you can read about here.

The less than buttoned-up operational security of the Russian Army continues to pay off for Ukraine:
Yet another piece of sensitive Russian gear has fallen into the hands of Ukraine and likely western intelligence services:
Finally, Ukraine's military has not lost its sense of humor through all this, putting out the tweet below of its snipers ghillie'd-up with a caption referring once again to the Lord Of The Rings good-versus evil struggle they see themselves in:
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
Putin has signed a law on imprisonment for up to 10 years for "voluntary surrender" - TASS
I think this equates to an all out war, such as a declared world war, where a soldier surrenders so he does not have to fight. In essence this is desertion, which in some cases means the firing squad.

I think they are trying to make a distinction between an individual chicken soldier running off to save his own ass as opposed to a whole unit surrounded and the commander gives the order to surrender. The problem with enforcing this law is the chickenshit soldier will be a POW, and the Russians will not get him until there is a prisoner swap.
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
1:20

The Rusty, Moldy Weapons That Russian Conscripts are Being Sent to War With​


View: https://youtu.be/k8GCtqtiF88
OMG! lol, talk about propaganda. I've seen satellite pictures of the thousands of tanks Russia has in storage from the Soviet era that can be refurbished for combat use. My point is, they are bound to have millions of small arms in storage from the Soviet era that are in usable condition. The US has such inventories. It's only common sense.

Now let's assume the conscripts were actually given such weapons, certainly the rust would be oiled and the weapons would be made at least somewhat functional.

I'm going to risk being banned from this thread or kicked off of TB2K, but for crying out loud, I'd be ashamed to even post propaganda this absurd!!!! It's OK to be anti Russian, but really?
 

mzkitty

I give up.
OMG! lol, talk about propaganda. I've seen satellite pictures of the thousands of tanks Russia has in storage from the Soviet era that can be refurbished for combat use. My point is, they are bound to have millions of small arms in storage from the Soviet era that are in usable condition. The US has such inventories. It's only common sense.

Now let's assume the conscripts were actually given such weapons, certainly the rust would be oiled and the weapons would be made at least somewhat functional.

I'm going to risk being banned from this thread or kicked off of TB2K, but for crying out loud, I'd be ashamed to even post propaganda this absurd!!!! It's OK to be anti Russian, but really?

Sometimes on these videos it's hard to tell what's really going on, but we post them anyway. I dunno.

View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1574057640057081859
 

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I think this equates to an all out war, such as a declared world war, where a soldier surrenders so he does not have to fight. In essence this is desertion, which in some cases means the firing squad.

I think they are trying to make a distinction between an individual chicken soldier running off to save his own ass as opposed to a whole unit surrounded and the commander gives the order to surrender. The problem with enforcing this law is the chickenshit soldier will be a POW, and the Russians will not get him until there is a prisoner swap.

After WWII was over and there was a return of surviving Soviet POW's to Russia, Stalin ordered many of them killed. Being captured wasn't a viable excuse.
 

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
After the hopelessly disastrous performance of Russian troops since the beginning of the Ukraine invasion, I have less and less doubt that the Russian army is far worse than anyone could have imagined.

And the extent of corruption running through the government and military.
 
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