ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

Countrymouse

Countrymouse

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Mprepared said:
Isn't that what attitude we were to have? Fight for our freedom. Fight for our faith. Fight for our country and if tried to take this away, it would not be worth living and we defend this no matter what and we were to be feared? What about it matters not if the world is destroyed if we cannot have our country and land of freedom and Christian faith? I understand what he is saying and he is dangerous because I think he knows something about this great reset or new world order and Russia would never be the same and something with those labs.
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"My kingdom is not of this world.
If my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight;
but my kingdom is not of this world."

The first-century Christians fought for their faith--
with their blood.

They refused to offer even the tiniest pinch of incense to Caesar
and faced the lions--or the fire---instead.
And turned a world upside down.

I do not dispute that we should fight -- as in militarily-- for our country.
But I cannot see Jesus telling us it's ok to murder everyone else in the world to "defend Christianity."

That's not how HE "defended" Himself.
That's not how the first-century Christians did it.
They "loved not their lives unto the death"--because they loved Jesus more.

But no true Christian commits murder in Jesus' Name.
 
Doc1

Doc1

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From jward's post #34808:

"I find it an astonishing mix of hubris and stupidity that they would free that beast, and believe it will stay leashed, and return to it's box upon command. I fully expect they'll learn that they meet the same devastation as they've meted out."

This is my greatest fear. I have NO faith in the current crowd in DC to manage any war and especially one of the nuclear variety. Further, I don't believe that crowd can "manage" or conduct a so-called limited nuclear war.

As Mike Tyson famously said, "Everyone has a plan 'til they get punched in the face."

There has never been a war where both sides fully understood their opponent's ability and strategy. I'm certain that the US has secret capabilities which we mere peons (the public) has no clue about. More concerning is that I'm absolutely certain that Russia has its own inventory of secret technologies and capabilities.

Who knows what horrors will be unleashed upon the world when superpowers fight.

I've followed Soviet/Russian strategies and plans for decades. One report I distinctly remember from decades ago - in the Soviet era - was that at one meeting the Soviet General Staff was considering reports that the US expected to engage in an incremental nuclear war of progressively increasing seriousness. The US planners supposedly expected to target certain places with nuclear weapons and anticipated the Soviets to respond with equally measured attacks. If that initial targeting didn't resolve the war, the US would then engage in larger attacks, expecting the Soviets to do the same. The US anticipated that both sides, in a responsible and restrained manner, would slowly and incrementally conduct the nuclear war.

The Soviet General Staff's response to this report? Uproarious laughter at the absurdity of such a war perspective.

God help us all.

Best
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TheSearcher

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
jed turtle said:
CIA-engineered coup in ukraine certainly got Russia’s attention. kinda like the DNC/ Deep State coup at the Dominion voting machines in 2019 and the false certification of Biden’s illegitimate “presidency”...

no, not kinda. Exactly. this war isn‘t America against Russia. It’s the CIA/ DS one world order against the rest of us. It’s just Russia is the only one standing in the way. Kinda like our Constitution used to do.

Nazis in Ukraine. Our taxes and Pentagon are supporting them. and the Bidens are getting kickbacks on all of it. We’re slaves to the DC socialists, Liars and thieves. Demon-possessed lunatics, empty suits full of lust, greed, and hate. I hope God notes that not all of us cheered them on...
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I am not cheering on anything the DS does. I am also not cheering on Putin, who is using DS machinations as a convenient excuse to make a land grab.

1. The Deep State worldwide goals are bad.
2. The Putin goals in Ukraine are also bad.

Any yin/yang couple between the two is an illusion. Putin is very happy to use that illusion as a propaganda tool.
 
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Walrus

Veteran Member
northern watch said:
Turkey has been difficult for me, to figure out what side it is on, the West or the Russian-China group of nations?
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Turkey appears to be on its own side is the short answer. Erdogan has been skillfully working both ends against the middle and I didn't think he had that kind of finesse. The EU puppetmasters don't much appreciate him but I get the firm impression that he doesn't much care (a la Orban).

He has several goals for Turkey that I've noticed: Move Turkey from secular rule into more sharia law (again treading a fine line on that one), make Turkey more prominent in the view of other nations and to restore the old Ottoman empire.
 
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intothatgoodnight

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Doc1 said:
The US planners supposedly expected to target certain places with nuclear weapons and anticipated the Soviets to respond with equally measured attacks. If that initial targeting didn't resolve the war, the US would then engage in larger attacks, expecting the Soviets to do the same. The US anticipated that both sides, in a responsible and restrained manner, would slowly and incrementally conduct the nuclear war.

The Soviet General Staff's response to this report? Uproarious laughter at the absurdity of such a war perspective.
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Sounds like the (British) redcoats during our American revolution, who complained that they were getting picked off in the field by hidden American patriots - and wanted the American patriots to play be the THEN "generally accepted rules of field infantry engagements," by presenting themselves in similar marching line(s), out in the open.

Of course, the American patriots would have nothing to do with this absurd expectation. After all, what better opponent target opportunity could there be, than a bright red and white uniform, as worn by the British forces, marching in an advancing line towards the hidden American patriot lines - so easy to see, so easy to hit - from up in the tree-line, naturally obscured/blended into the surrounding environment - American patriots dressed in their earth-tone buckskins, etc.

The Russians are correct - who says that they have to "play" by some "rules" that massage western sensibilities regarding the exchange of nuclear weapons?

In war, there may not be any rules that can be relied upon, by ALL sides/stakeholders - the military machines, the people, the politicos, the economic stakeholders.


intothegoodnight
 
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Walrus said:
Turkey appears to be on its own side is the short answer. Erdogan has been skillfully working both ends against the middle and I didn't think he had that kind of finesse. The EU puppetmasters don't much appreciate him but I get the firm impression that he doesn't much care (a la Orban).

He has several goals for Turkey that I've noticed: Move Turkey from secular rule into more sharia law (again treading a fine line on that one), make Turkey more prominent in the view of other nations and to restore the old Ottoman empire.
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Turkey is on the Muslim side and specifically on the Ottoman Empire Muslim side.
 
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raven

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intothatgoodnight said:
Sounds like the (British) redcoats during our American revolution, who complained that they were getting picked off in the field by hidden American patriots - and wanted the American patriots to play be the THEN "generally accepted rules of field infantry engagements," by presenting themselves in similar marching line(s), out in the open.

Of course, the American patriots would have nothing to do with this absurd expectation. After all, what better opponent target opportunity could there be, than a bright red and white uniform, as worn by the British forces, marching in an advancing line towards the hidden American patriot lines - so easy to see, so easy to hit - from up in the tree-line, naturally obscured/blended into the surrounding environment - American patriots dressed in their earth-tone buckskins, etc.

The Russians are correct - who says that they have to "play" by some "rules" that massage western sensibilities regarding the exchange of nuclear weapons?

In war, there may not be any rules that can be relied upon, by ALL sides/stakeholders - the military machines, the people, the politicos, the economic stakeholders.


intothegoodnight
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So . . . taking out an Aircraft Carrier off the coast of Taiwan, Okinawa, and Guam would be cricket?

Asking for a friend who lives in a three dimensional world.
 
jward

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Bills on the entry of the "liberated territories" into the Russian Federation can be submitted to the State Duma on the evening of September 28. They may be considered at an extraordinary meeting on September 29, source tells TASS

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intothatgoodnight

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raven said:
So . . . taking out an Aircraft Carrier off the coast of Taiwan, Okinawa, and Guam would be cricket?

Asking for a friend who lives in a three dimensional world.
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We live in a technically saturated world where the "enemies" have (more than one) technical force-multiplying means to stand-off offensively, while picking/controlling their "enemy" targets from afar - be they surface ships, or economies/nations/cultural attitudes/perspectives/beliefs/body fitness.

War By Other Means® (but war it surely is)


intothegoodnight
 
Mprepared

Mprepared

Veteran Member
Countrymouse said:
"My kingdom is not of this world.
If my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight;
but my kingdom is not of this world."

The first-century Christians fought for their faith--
with their blood.

They refused to offer even the tiniest pinch of incense to Caesar
and faced the lions--or the fire---instead.
And turned a world upside down.

I do not dispute that we should fight -- as in militarily-- for our country.
But I cannot see Jesus telling us it's ok to murder everyone else in the world to "defend Christianity."

That's not how HE "defended" Himself.
That's not how the first-century Christians did it.
They "loved not their lives unto the death"--because they loved Jesus more.

But no true Christian commits murder in Jesus' Name.
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I agree mostly, but Jesus came to die an let them kill him. He did say one sword was enough, so I am not sure about all this just fall over and let others burn your church down or wipe out your town in the name of their god. Basically, our freedom is based on Christianity and our rights in this land. Others will say it is not a Christian nation, but can argue that all day.
 
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Artificially Intelli

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jed turtle said:
CIA-engineered coup in ukraine certainly got Russia’s attention. kinda like the DNC/ Deep State coup at the Dominion voting machines in 2019 and the false certification of Biden’s illegitimate “presidency”...

no, not kinda. Exactly. this war isn‘t America against Russia. It’s the CIA/ DS one world order against the rest of us. It’s just Russia is the only one standing in the way. Kinda like our Constitution used to do.

Nazis in Ukraine. Our taxes and Pentagon are supporting them. and the Bidens are getting kickbacks on all of it. We’re slaves to the DC socialists, Liars and thieves. Demon-possessed lunatics, empty suits full of lust, greed, and hate. I hope God notes that not all of us cheered them on...
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yep this
 
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Housecarl

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intothatgoodnight said:
Sounds like the (British) redcoats during our American revolution, who complained that they were getting picked off in the field by hidden American patriots - and wanted the American patriots to play be the THEN "generally accepted rules of field infantry engagements," by presenting themselves in similar marching line(s), out in the open.

Of course, the American patriots would have nothing to do with this absurd expectation. After all, what better opponent target opportunity could there be, than a bright red and white uniform, as worn by the British forces, marching in an advancing line towards the hidden American patriot lines - so easy to see, so easy to hit - from up in the tree-line, naturally obscured/blended into the surrounding environment - American patriots dressed in their earth-tone buckskins, etc.

The Russians are correct - who says that they have to "play" by some "rules" that massage western sensibilities regarding the exchange of nuclear weapons?

In war, there may not be any rules that can be relied upon, by ALL sides/stakeholders - the military machines, the people, the politicos, the economic stakeholders.


intothegoodnight
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And when von Steuben got done drilling the Continentals in the Prussian style the British then wished they'd hadn't complained.....
 
Grumphau

Grumphau

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jward said:
Does this mean you must fight to the death or risk being imprisoned??

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Putin has signed a law on imprisonment for up to 10 years for "voluntary surrender" - TASS


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I took it to mean the objectors leaving their units to surrender to Ukrainians versus getting captured at gunpoint, though functionally there is probably no difference. Russia has a habit of punishing their own POWs returning home.
 
jward

jward

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Grumphau said:
I took it to mean the objectors leaving their units to surrender to Ukrainians versus getting captured at gunpoint, though functionally there is probably no difference. Russia has a habit of punishing their own POWs returning home.
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TY, grumphau.
 
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