ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread
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Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Russia essentially saying "Fine, we don't care anymore" is quite scary.
They ARE saying this--but they're also saying something even MORE scary:
"A world without the Russia WE know and love in it, is NOT A WORLD WORTH LIVING IN."
Therefore---WHATEVER it takes to "save" "Russia" (their conception of it) is WORTH it--even if it does destroy the rest of the world.
Conversely, it matters not if the WORLD is destroyed, if "Russia" (their conception of it) is destroyed.
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
I reread it, and stand corrected.
If you have nukes but your country is about to be destroyed by economic and conventional warfare . . .
there is no difference between being nuked and being destroyed conventionally.
Destroyed is destroyed and the manner (nukes) is irrelevant.
Enter Mutual Assured Destruction. If Russia is about to be destroyed (by any means) then Mutual Assured Destruction.
Ukraine is using Taiwan and Turkey Drones . . . and armaments from every other country
why concerned about Iranian drones?
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
You are not wrong. It is also not MAD nuclear doctrine.
You are trying so damn hard to be "right" and pithy that your communication is garbled. Just speak plainly, please.
intothatgoodnight
. . .
Russia is not known for its "technological incompetence" regarding all-things high-tech R&D - the SS-N-22 Sunburn/P-270 Moskit is but one contemporary example of the level of tech R&D that the Russians are capable of achieving and deploying.
Their latest MIRV tech is also world-class.
There is more.
The economics of production and high-tech weapon deployment/training are a separate issue, entirely.
Russia well-understands MAD - from a tech/science/weather/fallout, as well as an economic point of view.
intothegoodnight
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Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
OMG. Yes, Russia understands it. They do not and never did believe it.
really? I'm pithy?
nicest compliment I've received in a long time
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
Just to be clear, I do not have a lisp.
intothatgoodnight
. . .
Sort of like a very messy divorce - in the end, ALL parties lose - except for the lawyers.
The international MIC will always make bank.
intothegoodnight
intothatgoodnight
. . .
wait-n-see
Veteran Member
Dang, the Russians "liberate" the same way we did in Nam and the ME.
(of language or style) concise and forcefully expressive.
who am I to argue?
intothatgoodnight
. . .
Shadow
Swift, Silent,...Sleepy
When East Germany fell and our troops got to read Soviet material on nuclear war they were very surprised that the use of nuclear arms came much earlier and more forcefully than they (we) had imagined. Russia does not have the same mindset as the west. We are negligent if we look at their actions only thru our eyes.
Shadow
mzkitty
I give up.
Looks like ethnic Russians voting in Ukraine:
View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1573418837625782272
View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1573418837625782272
Shadow
Swift, Silent,...Sleepy
Agreed. Where NATO says an attack on one NATO country is an attack on all, Putin may reason that if he has to attack one he has to attack all.
Shadow
Mprepared
Veteran Member
Isn't that what attitude we were to have? Fight for our freedom. Fight for our faith. Fight for our country and if tried to take this away, it would not be worth living and we defend this no matter what and we were to be feared? What about it matters not if the world is destroyed if we cannot have our country and land of freedom and Christian faith? I understand what he is saying and he is dangerous because I think he knows something about this great reset or new world order and Russia would never be the same and something with those labs.
vector7
Dot Collector
that Russia could be preparing to disconnect the three Baltic countries from its electricity grid, leading to potential blackouts — Bloomberg
that Russia could be preparing to disconnect the three Baltic countries from its electricity grid, leading to potential blackouts — Bloomberg
Trump warned them.
View: https://twitter.com/Michael_Zak/status/1573330024228339712?t=nK8U5UkKqg8isVBNf2cXZg&s=19
that Russia could be preparing to disconnect the three Baltic countries from its electricity grid, leading to potential blackouts — Bloomberg
Trump warned them.
View: https://twitter.com/Michael_Zak/status/1573330024228339712?t=nK8U5UkKqg8isVBNf2cXZg&s=19
von Koehler
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Russian propaganda video.
they did not see this would be a possibility
northern watch
TB Fanatic
northern watch
TB Fanatic
It will come quick!
northern watch
TB Fanatic
Occupied Ukraine holds Kremlin-staged vote on joining Russia
1h agoThe Canadian Press
September 23 2022
KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — A Kremlin-orchestrated referendum got underway Friday in occupied regions of Ukraine that sought to make them part of Russia, with some officials carrying ballots to apartment blocks accompanied by gun-toting police. Kyiv and the West condemned it as a rigged election whose result was preordained by Moscow.
A boy wearing a T-shirt with the letter 'Z', the tactical insignia of Russian troops in Ukraine, and holding a flag of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DNR) - the eastern Ukrainian breakaway region - stands at the entrance to the DNR embassy in Moscow on September 23, 2022, as Moscow-held regions of Ukraine vote in annexation referendums that Kyiv and its allies say are illegal and illegitimate. (Photo by Alexander NEMENOV / AFP) (Photo by ALEXANDER NEMENOV/AFP via Getty Images)
Meanwhile, in a grim reminder of the brutality of the 7-month-old invasion, U.N. experts and Ukrainian officials pointed to new evidence of Russian war crimes. Kharkiv region officials said a mass burial site in the eastern city of Izium held hundreds of bodies, including at least 30 displaying signs of torture.
The referendums in the Luhansk, Kherson and partly Russian-occupied Zaporizhzhia and Donetsk regions were widely seen as a prelude to Moscow annexing the regions. The voting, which was overseen by authorities installed by Russia, is scheduled to run through Tuesday and is almost certain to go the Kremlin's way.
Authorities in the Kherson region said residents of a small Moscow-controlled area of the neighboring Mykolaiv province also will be able to vote, and that small area was “incorporated” into Kherson until all of Mykolaiv is taken over by Russian forces.
Ukraine and the West said the vote was an illegitimate attempt by Moscow to slice away a large part of the country, stretching from the Russian border to the Crimean Peninsula. A similar referendum took place in Crimea in 2014 before Moscow annexed it, a move that most of the world considered illegal.
Citing safety reasons, election officials carried ballots to homes and set up mobile polling stations for the four-day voting period. Russian state TV showed one such election team accompanied by a masked police officer carrying an assault rifle.
Ivan Fedorov, the Ukrainian mayor of Melitopol in the Zaporizhzhia region, told The Associated Press that Russians and residents of Crimea were brought into his city to urge people to vote.
“The Russians see an overwhelming reluctance and fear to attend the referendum and are forced to bring people... to create an image and an illusion of the vote,” he said. “Groups of collaborators and Russians along with armed soldiers are doing a door-to-door poll, but few people open the doors to them.”
Voting also occurred in Russia, where refugees and other residents from those regions cast ballots.
Denis Pushilin, the Moscow-backed separatist leader in the Donetsk region, called the referendum “a historical milestone.”
Lawmaker Vyacheslav Volodin, the speaker of Russia's State Duma, said in an online statement to the regions: “If you decide to become part of the Russian Federation, we will support you.”
Thousands attended pro-Kremlin rallies across Russia in support the referendums, news agencies reported. “Long live the one, great, united Russian people!” one speaker told the large crowd at a central Moscow rally and concert titled, “We Don’t Abandon Our Own."
Luhansk Gov. Serhii Haidai accused officials of taking down the names of people who voted against joining Russia. In online posts, Haidai also alleged that Russian officials threatened to kick down the doors of anyone who didn’t want to vote.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy urged Ukrainians in occupied regions to undermine the referendums and to share information about the people conducting “this farce.” He also urged Ukrainians to avoid being called up in the Russian mobilization announced Wednesday.
“But if you do end up in the Russian army, then sabotage any enemy activity, interfere with any Russian operations, give us all important information about the occupiers. ... And at the first opportunity, switch to our positions," he said in his nightly address.
President Vladimir Putin’s partial mobilization of reservists could add about 300,000 troops, his defense minister said. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov dismissed as false media reports of plans to muster up to 1.2 million troops.
Across the vast country, men hugged their weeping family members before departing as part of the call-up, which has raised fears that a wider draft might follow. Anti-war activists planned more protests Saturday.
Other Russian men tried desperately to leave the country, buying up scarce plane tickets and creating traffic jams hours or even days long at some borders. The lines of cars were so long at the border with Kazakhstan that some people abandoned their vehicles and walked — just as some Ukrainians did after Russia invaded their country Feb. 24.
Russian authorities sought to calm public fears over the call-up. Lawmakers introduced a bill Friday to suspend or reduce loan payments for those called to duty, and media emphasized that they would be paid the same as professional soldiers and that their civilian jobs would be held for them.
The Defense Ministry said many of those working in high tech, communications or finance will be exempt, the Tass news agency reported.
Amid the mobilization and referendums, the horrors of the conflict persisted.
Kharkiv regional Gov. Oleh Synyehubov and regional police chief Volodymyr Tymoshko said at least 30 of the 436 bodies exhumed so far in Izium bore signs of torture. Among them were the bodies of 21 Ukrainian soldiers, some found with their hands bound behind their backs, they said.
Russian forces occupied Izium for six months before being pushed out by a Ukrainian counteroffensive this month. The exhumations, which began a week ago, are nearing an end, as investigators work on identifying victims and how they died. A mobile DNA lab was parked at the edge of the burial site.
“Each body has its own story,” Synyehubov said.
Experts commissioned by the U.N. Human Rights Council also presented evidence of potential war crimes, including beatings, electric shocks and forced nudity in Russian detention facilities, and expressed grave concerns about extrajudicial killings the team was working to document in Kharkiv and the regions of Kyiv, Chernihiv and Sumy.
With world opinion pushing Moscow deeper into isolation over the war, Russia lashed out against the West. Its U.S. ambassador, Anataly Antonov, said at a Moscow conference Friday about the 1962 Cuban missile crisis that Washington is trying to bring Russia “to its knees" and divide it into “several fiefdoms" while stripping it of its nuclear weapons and its permanent seat at the U.N. Security Council.
In new reports of fighting, Ukraine's presidential office said 10 civilians were killed and 39 others wounded by Russian shelling in nine regions. Battles continued in the southern Kherson province during the vote, it said, while Ukrainian forces meted out 280 attacks on Russian command posts, munitions depots and weapons.
Heavy fighting also continued in the Donetsk area, where Russian attacks targeted Toretsk, Sloviansk and several smaller towns. Russian shelling in Nikopol and Marhanets on the western bank of the Dnieper River killed two people and wounded nine.
In other developments, Kyiv expelled Iran’s ambassador and reduced staff at the Iranian Embassy in response to Tehran's "supply of weapons to Russia for war on Ukrainian territory,” said Oleh Nikolenko, a spokesman for the Foreign Ministry.
Ukraine reported shooting down an Iranian-made Mohajer-6 drone that can be used for surveillance or to carry precision-guided weapons, adding that it destroyed four other Iranian-made Shahed-136 drones.
Earlier Friday, Ukrainian officials said Russia had attacked the port city of Odesa with Iranian-made drones, killing one person.
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Associated Press writer Lori Hinnant in Izium contributed.
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jward
passin' thru
Samuel Ramani
@SamRamani2
BREAKING: Finland will prohibit Russian tourists from crossing its borders
( This is likely to be a temporary measure as Finland refused to follow Poland and the Baltic States by banning Russian tourists, and faced an influx of Russian men fleeing mobilization)
5:16 PM · Sep 23, 2022·Twitter Web App
@SamRamani2
BREAKING: Finland will prohibit Russian tourists from crossing its borders
( This is likely to be a temporary measure as Finland refused to follow Poland and the Baltic States by banning Russian tourists, and faced an influx of Russian men fleeing mobilization)
5:16 PM · Sep 23, 2022·Twitter Web App
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
FWIW, I have surrendered to a rather nice bottle of oak cask scotch. I am done trying to deal with this without embracing my ancestors.
That is all.
That is all.
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db cooper
Resident Secret Squirrel
LOL! Near the end of the video the sergeant tells the recruits they cannot be fired from their job. I bet these new soldiers sure felt better after that.
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
Damn, if that ain't that a comfort?
mzkitty
I give up.
Oh really?
Dated 8/9/22:
www.foreignaffairs.com
Dated 8/9/22:
China’s New Vassal
The war in Ukraine turned Moscow into Beijing’s junior partner.
northern watch
TB Fanatic
Turkey has been difficult for me, to figure out what side it is on, the West or the Russian-China group of nations?
northern watch
TB Fanatic
Biden vows 'swift and severe' costs if Russia annexes Ukraine regions
What costs Joe?
jward
passin' thru
My difficulty has been grasping what seems simplistic analysis and commentary re: Turkey.
Like every country SHOULD BE, TURKEY is on TURKEYS side. :: shrug :: Self interest is not a sin, and why shouldn't they, and everyone else wheel and deal, for the most advantageous outcome for their own interests.
I would think, but maybe I'm wrong on this and just pulling things out of my nether regions, that most countries interests are best served by global stability?
jward
passin' thru
Update: Russia's ambassador in Washington: Despite the difficulties, we hope that we are not on the verge of a nuclear confrontation.
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NEXTA
@nexta_tv
No, this is not a rally of #Russians against war and mobilization. These are Russian zombies in #Moscow holding a "We will not abandon our own" concert rally in support of fake referendums. I wonder if the demonstrators will sign up for the front there?
View: https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1573316212456824832?s=20&t=dJ-XGRgQ_Ugsz01nDH6ahg
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NEXTA
@nexta_tv
No, this is not a rally of #Russians against war and mobilization. These are Russian zombies in #Moscow holding a "We will not abandon our own" concert rally in support of fake referendums. I wonder if the demonstrators will sign up for the front there?
View: https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1573316212456824832?s=20&t=dJ-XGRgQ_Ugsz01nDH6ahg
jed turtle
a brother in the Lord
CIA-engineered coup in ukraine certainly got Russia’s attention. kinda like the DNC/ Deep State coup at the Dominion voting machines in 2019 and the false certification of Biden’s illegitimate “presidency”...
no, not kinda. Exactly. this war isn‘t America against Russia. It’s the CIA/ DS one world order against the rest of us. It’s just Russia is the only one standing in the way. Kinda like our Constitution used to do.
Nazis in Ukraine. Our taxes and Pentagon are supporting them. and the Bidens are getting kickbacks on all of it. We’re slaves to the DC socialists, Liars and thieves. Demon-possessed lunatics, empty suits full of lust, greed, and hate. I hope God notes that not all of us cheered them on...