UNEX Tales of People Crossing Over - Evidence of Our Friends/Family in the After Life

Chance

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My cousin shared this with me shortly after her father (my dad's brother) passed away. (He was 85 when he passed.)

Uncle Wayne had a pace maker with a defibrillator. His family had placed him in a nursing home as he was having more and more troubles. My cousin would go visit him often and they'd talk.

During their last 4 regular visits he told her about something strange going on....he'd be in the nursing home and then suddenly he'd be 'somewhere else with some really nice people, talking with them' then there would be a sudden bright light and he'd be back in the nursing home again. Each visit, for 4 visits, was the same story. The fourth visit, he told her he didn't want to come back again, he wanted to 'stay with those really nice people'.

My uncle was due for his pacemaker check and the doctor discovered that it was shocking his heart - too much - and that it was actually burning his heart. He recommended shutting off the pace maker. The doctor said my uncle would pass soon. When my cousin asked the doctor how many times this 'shock' had happened - he told her four - the same number of times her dad said he experienced being somewhere else then there would be a sudden bright light and he was back in the nursing home.

My uncle passed with in a day or two of the pacemaker being shut off.

He went to be 'somewhere else with some really nice people'. And he didn't have to come back again.
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This might seem kind of backwards...

My brother was the black sheep of the family. We were not close but he called my home one evening. He talked to my dad, who lived with us, then asked to talk with me. We talked for a few minutes about normal stuff, nothing serious, then he told me he loved me before hanging up.

The next evening my husband took a call and came to tell me my brother had died. He had been hit by a truck (in a hospital parking lot) and was killed instantly.

I think he somehow knew he was going to die, and felt he had to tell me he loved me.
 

jward

passin' thru
I wanted to share the rest of my experiences, for the record.

My first fil was one who we were able to keep at home for his transition. During he last three or four days he went from lucid, to sometimes less so. At first, he would speak of various living family members, and remark on the minutiae of something going on with them that he should not have known.

For instance, he reported that that dog was giving Joe a fit, so he'd be late, which proved to be the case.

In the last day, he began to speak to his parents, wives, and a son that had passed on before him.

The son was one of those hearty, never knew a stranger, life of the party personalities in life.
He knew he was dying, though kept much of the details and timeline to himself. For three or so weeks after his death, not only could I feel him around me, I could hear him. He\his presence was so BIG and unmistakable, full of joie de vivre, that it never occurred to me to doubt it was him.

We both loved to dance, and spent a lot of time doing so together. After his death, I could feel the breeze on my face like i would if we were dancing, and hear him teasing me about not setting that one out, it was his favorite song, etc.

Both deaths and after experiences were positive feeling, and left me encouraged and confident about their happiness and well-being.
 
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FireDance

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Before my mom passed she said “there’s mom and she’s wearing my dress”. Her mom had passed a few months prior. Still don’t exactly understand the meaning but it still haunts me a bit.

I have only had a few dreams about her but they are becoming more frequent. The dreams are strange and I only recall bits and pieces. First one was soon after she passed and she was in the bed with me. She rose up and I “said” “Mom you’re alive” and she was gone from the dream immediately. Lately I’ve had things like car rides with her. She says something I need to know but can’t recall after waking. These are disturbing for whatever reason. But eventually I think I will remember whatever it is I’m supposed to know. Sometimes I pray I don’t. It’s like I don’t WANT to know but I do. Unnerving.
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Is it the Law of the Conservation of Matter, that says energy cannot be lost? (My memory isn't what it used to be...) As we, and everything that is in the Universe is made up of energy, how can life be extinguished, or lost? When shuffling off this mortal coil, the energy that is the spirit/soul, goes somewhere, and therefore is not lost. I prefer to think of Heaven, although until my demise, I'll continue to wonder what awaits me. As a Christian, it's Heaven. As student of quantum mechanics, I've lost Schrodinger's Cat. Only time will tell. But the energy cannot be destroyed, hence life, in whatever form, carries on...

Dowser contemplating the Universe,

OldArcher, out...
 
I'll try to make this short. Many yrs ago my aunt who was my moms sister died. I never went to the funeral cuz i broke my leg and was in a cast. My uncle was grieving for a whole year. Every time he would visit my mom he would cry about "Jeana". One nite i had a dream. I was in my pajamas up in the sky somewhere. I saw my aunt come out of a door in the sky. She glided towards me. As we passed each other she said, "don't touch me." But the magnetism of her pull was so STRONG that i felt this pulling towards her like she was a magnet. At that moment she said to me, "Tell Eugene to kiss me goodbye." She had on a long blue flowing dress to her ankles.
I suddenly woke up then and i remembered the dream very clearly. Next time i went to see my mom my uncle Eugene was there. I told him i saw my aunt and she told me to tell him to "kiss her goodbye". He told me that every night he kisses her picture and says "goodnight Jeana". I never knew he kissed her picture every night. This is what she meant when she said to kiss her goodbye. She knew he was kissing her picture "goodnight". He also told me that she was wearing a long blue gown when she was buried. At times in my life when i think there is nothing after here i think of my aunt and then i feel better knowing that there really IS a better place than this. This place is total hell., and isn't that what hell would be like? Where nothing ever goes right? And even though sometimes it DOES go right - later on something else will go bad? Sounds like hell to me.
 

jward

passin' thru
All the situations I have related up to now have been subjective.

My grandmother died, expectedly, of CHF, after a few months in a nursing home. She was unmedicated, in good spirits, wnd in no particular pain, physically, nor at the thought of transitioning.

My family used to give me stuffed battery operated animals as gifts each holiday. Being short of storage space, many of them would sit atop book cases and hutches throughout the house. A week or so after my grandmother died, some of these animals began playing their messages, or singing, or doing whatever they did, all by themselves.

That had never happened before, and continued happening a few weeks longer, even after I changed out he batteries.

My sense then, and more so now, is that grandma was harnessing the power of the batteries to make her presence known before moving on permanently.

I mentioned in detail how she was neither medicated nor suffering, as I believe it played a part in how she was able to manifest so strongly. This is also different from the earlier situations, as there was some force being brought to bear to make those stuffed animals activate, which takes the incident into a different category of manifestation.
 

Bumpkin

Old enough to know better
Great thread.

I think this is a bit off topic but...

During a very nonspiritual time in my life I had a dream that my former boss died. I went to work the next day and casually mentioned this to my agnostic business partner who scoffed at my story. A couple of hours later we learned that my old boss did in fact die suddenly the night before of a heart attack. The look on my partners face was priceless when we heard the news.

Great thread and thanks to all of you who have shared stories.

Not off topic at all!!!
 

Bumpkin

Old enough to know better
I'll try to make this short. Many yrs ago my aunt who was my moms sister died. I never went to the funeral cuz i broke my leg and was in a cast. My uncle was grieving for a whole year. Every time he would visit my mom he would cry about "Jeana". One nite i had a dream. I was in my pajamas up in the sky somewhere. I saw my aunt come out of a door in the sky. She glided towards me. As we passed each other she said, "don't touch me." But the magnetism of her pull was so STRONG that i felt this pulling towards her like she was a magnet. At that moment she said to me, "Tell Eugene to kiss me goodbye." She had on a long blue flowing dress to her ankles.
I suddenly woke up then and i remembered the dream very clearly. Next time i went to see my mom my uncle Eugene was there. I told him i saw my aunt and she told me to tell him to "kiss her goodbye". He told me that every night he kisses her picture and says "goodnight Jeana". I never knew he kissed her picture every night. This is what she meant when she said to kiss her goodbye. She knew he was kissing her picture "goodnight". He also told me that she was wearing a long blue gown when she was buried. At times in my life when i think there is nothing after here i think of my aunt and then i feel better knowing that there really IS a better place than this. This place is total hell., and isn't that what hell would be like? Where nothing ever goes right? And even though sometimes it DOES go right - later on something else will go bad? Sounds like hell to me.


This is just the world in which we live. It is certainly not Hell, even though sometimes it might seem like that.

There is most definitely a Hell. But this existence ain't it.
 

Bumpkin

Old enough to know better
All the situations I have related up to now have been subjective.

My grandmother died, expectedly, of CHF, after a few months in a nursing home. She was unmedicated, in good spirits, wnd in no particular pain, physically, nor at the thought of transitioning.

My family used to give me stuffed battery operated animals as gifts each holiday. Being short of storage space, many of them would sit atop book cases and hutches throughout the house. A week or so after my grandmother died, some of these animals began playing their messages, or singing, or doing whatever they did, all by themselves.

That had never happened before, and continued happening a few weeks longer, even after I changed out he batteries.

My sense then, and more so now, is that grandma was harnessing the power of the batteries to make her presence known before moving on permanently.

I mentioned in detail how she was neither medicated nor suffering, as I believe it played a part in how she was able to manifest so strongly. This is also different from the earlier situations, as there was some force being brought to bear to make those stuffed animals activate, which takes the incident into a different category of manifestation.

My 4-yrs-younger-to-the-day brother died about 3 weeks after I turned 25 and he turned 21. We had the same birthdate.

He died while drunk driving his little light Mazda truck, hit a backhoe on the roadside and died a couple hours later. The guy in the passenger seat was bumped around but lived. I was several states away and flew in the next day.

I have never had a visitation I could pin on him...but our birth mother said that she had a wall clock that she bought while with him, when he visited her when he was 17, it said STRESS on its face and had no numbers...

...this clock ran BACKWARDS after he died. I didn't witness this, and my mother lied about many things. But, her no-nonsense partner swore that she had seen this as well.

At any rate, I feel cheated. *sob story over*
 

Bumpkin

Old enough to know better
this is one of many true experiences I've had with loved ones from the other side.....and it will go into the book I want to write.




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July 5th, 2012, 9:00 am #1


I am sharing this with those that know I would not
make this up, and that it moved me very deeply.



I have know (or felt) my dad pop in periodically
since his passing in 2001. it is usually a smell, or a thought in my head...
and I send love to him, and go on about my business.



in the last year, several things that we have had
in our hands, then laid down, are gone. not just missing, gone. and some never
are found again. I will not bore you with all the items we knew we just had and
in seconds, they are gone.

My black smith is scared in my barn cause things he
had in his hand are gone in 5 seconds.



Yesturday, July 4th 2012, we were in the middle of
making project using 2 5 gallon buckets and drill bits.



Dan did not have the proper size needed, so went to
the shed and brought in 3 drill bits, and put the 1/2 in. in the drill, laying
down the 3/4, and 5/8 bits on the counter. we both were standing there at the
counter, no cats were in the room.



He drilled the 3/4 hole and I was cleaning out the
plastic slivers, and he said to me, "what did you do with the 1/2 drill bit?" I
said "nothing, my hands are wet over here cleaning out the bucket."



I stayed in the kitchen and he back tracked ,
double checked , then triple checked and was getting very upset. he then was
tearing the kitchen apart , and I re traced his steps thinking he laid it down
somewhere, but I had SEEN him take it out of the drill, lay it on the counter
and insert the 3/4 bit. we never left the kitchen while this was going
on.



while I was in the dining room, I prayed and asked
for help to find this bit. I distinctly heard, very CLEARLY..."Joe Driscoll
took it!"



I told Dan what I heard, and he said, "well tell
him I need it!."



Dan was still tearing apart the kitchen and I had
gone upstairs thinking he might have taking it up there, ??? in the bedroom I
said out loud..."Joe Driscoll, if you took the bit, this is not funny, bring it
back now!"



After looking around some more (Dan still in the
kitchen) I came down and said, dan just sit down, we'll find it. dan at this
point was very upset, knowing he had it, knowing I saw him take it out of the
drill and replace it with the 3/4. I just stood in the kitchen doorway and
said,

"please go sit down."



he came into the living room, and said, "I HAD the
damn thing, you saw it" and I am not crazy!"



this was said in the living room. I went down to
the family room and sat at the computer, and he got up to get
water.



(I never went back into the kitchen)



he says to me..."Where was it???"



I said, "where was WHAT?"



"the damn bit!!!"



it was setting on the counter. right were HE put
it, and we had removed everything not once but 4 times. it was sitting there
with nothing around it, since we cleared the counter for the project, then had
swept through all the counters looking for the bit.



after both assuring each other ...neither of us
took it... or found it....we both know this was the most physical manifestation
since Dad passed....



oh yeah.... the drill bits were my
dad's!



wanted to share this because it so moved me I
actually cried. once we both knew neither of us took it or found it, it had to be my dad.




(Dan thought I took it, I thought he found it and
was messing with me.)
I was in a state of incredulous belief all day, and just sat thinking about this.



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July 5th, 2012, 7:13 pm #2
That is amazing, Sar! Your Dad was definitely showing you and Dan that he is

around! He sure got your attention! Thanks for sharing.

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January 3rd, 2013, 4:05 pm #3
update 6 months later....





the plumber was here working on the hot water tank.....



I walked in to the room and he is explaining things to me. I SAW a pair of red handled pliers there. we got done talking he went to get the pliers...GONE....neither of us moved or touched them! SERIOUSLY! we were standing right there, and I watched him put them down! cue Twilight zone music....
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Sara, when you write that book, I will buy it.
 

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
After a medical procedure, I lost "more than 40%" of my blood volume, had a heart attack and died. I had no blood pressure and no heart beat. I was good and dead.

Right before I died, my friend (by my side) said that I tried to sit upright on the gurney (with blood pressure at 32/25), reached way up for heaven, talked to someone that only I could see, and then I flopped back on the gurney. A smart friend said, "That's when your soul left your body."

I've read it's common for the dying to have a burst of inexplicable energy at the very end.

I was unconscious when I died (due to blood loss) but I "woke up" when I died. Leaving this body was very dramatic. I popped out of my body like toast out of a toaster, and floated away for some time. Soon after my "death" I felt the presence of a massive and powerful spiritual being. I asked Him or Her, "And who are you?"

The answer was immediate and came not only with words but with an influx of meaning and an infusion of understanding, "You are the image and likeness. I am the Original."

The experience went on for several hours (or so it seemed), and ultimately, it was made clear that I needed to return to my body. I was very disappointed by this, as I wanted to go on. I did not want to return. When I returned, I had been dead for more than 10 minutes. To the medical world, my return with NO damage is a medical miracle but it's not. The spiritual supercedes the material. The immortal is above the mortal. God's in charge here, and that's the whole of it.

I've posted a longer version of this event months ago and there were plenty of people who responded harshly, angrily, etc., so I'm not too keen on sharing it again, but I do so in the hopes that it will help someone.

BTW, this was not a "near death experience." I was not near dead. I died. And then returned. It was, as I call it, a "temporary death experience."

There are those who don't believe in this, but to the naysayers, I can only say, "just you wait."
 

Jamis

Contributing Member
I was in my late 20's and dealing with a difficult divorce from a difficult man while raising 2 young children on my own. One difficult day I was just emotionally spent and laid on my bed for a good long cry.

Everything I was going through was just all too much and I was laying on my stomach with my face in my arms crying like a baby when all of a sudden, this is hard to explain, its hard to put a feeling into words. I felt a wave of peace and niceness and complete love come from somewhere. I did not know what this feeling was, but it was nice, and it was very familiar, but I could not place it.

What ever it was was in my room and comforting me with feelings of love that I could only sense, I heard nothing, I physically felt nothing, just that this wave of sensation was so nice and light and understanding and whatever it was cared deeply about me, for once someone really cared about me. By then I knew it was a someone, but I didn’t know who.

It stayed a while and I just soaked it in and I felt better after a bit, I didn’t dare look up thru Any of this because I was afraid it would go away. After maybe 5 minutes I felt it was leaving. I remembered thinking “don’t go” but it slowly drifted off and was gone.

Afterward I was still trying to figure out who it was, it was still fresh and just so familiar, and then I remembered my grandfather was in the hospital with pneumonia 1000 miles away. I had not seen him for a few years. So I called my mother and asked “Mom, did Grampa die?” She said “Yes, he died about an hour ago.”

I really feel grateful that Grampa visited me as he left this world.
 

FireDance

TB Fanatic
Here’s a little chuckle I heard the other day. Lady goes to hospital and Priest in in the middle of giving her last rites and she sits up and starts talking. She’s better now. Someone commented that she just apparently likes to “play dead”.

I would not have liked to have been the priest. Have to deal with the family after that. Ick!! Too many questions and few answers.
 

cleobc

Veteran Member
I don't have any personal experiences...yet. But my mother told me a story. Several days before her young husband died, she dreamed that she was at a party. They were social people and enjoyed gatherings. She was in a house at this party and she saw her husband outside. She told him, come in, join the party! But he said, "I can't." She dreamed it several times and then he died.

A friend's young son was dying of AIDS. Right before he died, he became agitated, saying, "I can't find the door! I can't find the door!" Then he said, "Oh, there it is," peacefully, and died.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
My mom was daignosed with ovarian cancer about a year and a half after my marriage. My husband and I (who had been on the verge --literally planned within the next few days--of signing the papers for a new home we were buying--our first home)-- instead gave up those plans, got out of our apartment lease, and moved back in with my mother (I was her only child) to care for her.

I had NOT wanted to go.

My daddy had passed away some years before---after a very sudden illness that only lasted one month, he went into the hospital on the day of my 18th birthday, and was gone exactly a week later. I had adored my Daddy---idolized him---but my relationship with my mother---well, the best word I can used for it was "strained". A more accurate word might be "toxic." Let's put it this way--I cannot remember her ever -- ever-- giving me a compliment or praise (except once she said I could beat her making cornbread)--and she made many very hurtful statements (which I have mostly deliberately tried to forget)--such as accusing me, about two months after my beloved Daddy's death, of being the cause of his death because I had "worried him to death" with my teenage rebellion and argumentativeness. (I wanted to do evil things, like go off to college, and drive my own car while there--things like that).

So I wasn't exactly excited about giving up my life--my newfound freedom with my husband--to go back to my mother's home, the scene of so many bad memories, to stay with her as she grew weaker.

Yet I knew, this was the RIGHT thing to do---she was my mother, she had adopted me and cared for me and done her best to raise me right, and if she went overboard trying not to "spoil" me---well, I sort of understood that, knowing a bit of how she was raised, and in what a dysfunctional family. Besides--I knew it was what my Daddy--and my Heavenly Daddy--would want me to do.

So we moved back in (in fact, my husband was more proactive and taking the lead about this being the only right thing to do than I was---I knew it was right, but dreaded doing it), and I mentally and internally tried to gear myself up for what I knew might be months of nursing and caring for her.

But after only three months--in the cold days of February--it became clear she didn't have much longer.

During this time of waiting, one of my mother's best and dearest friends--Bessie Williams--suddenly passed away. I didn't tell my mom, so she wouldn't get even more depressed on top of all she was dealing with. But her brother (who I practically had to DEMAND to get over there to see her--in fact, I had to tell his wife to tell him "If you want to see your sister alive again, you'd better get over here, NOW!") told her. I remember the pitiful look on her face after he told her as she turned to me and said, "Is Bessie gone?"

Later that same night---

We had friends who came in and sat with her at night, so I and my husband could get some sleep. One was a nurse, who had told me she had often witnessed patients having "visions" of the other side when they drew close to passing.

That night, she woke up, with one of her frequent nightmares. This night, she was SURE she had clothes out on the clothesline and it was coming up a cloud, and she HAD to get out there and get the clothes off the line. I heard her, and realized the nurse couldn't calm her, and climbed out of bed to go to her. I went into the room, and pulled up the blinds to show her it was night, and said, "See, Mama? You just had a bad dream. There aren't any clothes out on the line. You wouldn't leave any clothes out on the line at night. It was just a bad dream."

After that, she calmed down. I helped the nurse get her settled down in bed again, and asked her if she wanted anything--a glass of water? I brought her the water, and she drank it quietly, then stopped and calmly asked, "Who is that lady?"

I thought she meant the night nurse, and so I said, "Mama, you know her--this is xxxx, who comes to stay with you every night."

Mama answered, "No--I don't mean her. I mean that pretty lady sitting over there--" --- and she pointed at the empty chair her brother had sat in when he visited her earlier in the day.

I looked across the bed at the nurse--and she looked across the bed at me--and both of us I'm sure were bug-eyed. I felt the hair rising on the back on my neck. But I didn't want to frighten Mama, so I just said quietly, "What lady, Mama?"

And again she pointed to the chair--the empty chair--and said, "That real pretty lady, sitting right over there." (She sounded a bit aggravated at my slowness for not seeing the lady).

I said, "I can't see the lady, Mama. Can you tell me what she looks like?"

And Mama, calm as a cucumber, said, "She's a real pretty lady, and she's wearing a real pretty white dress."

I looked again at the (empty) chair, at the nurse, and at Mama, and just said, "I can't see her, Mama."

My mother seemed not at all perturbed by this; she simply finished her glass of water, and calmly lay back in bed again to sleep.

She sleep peacefully the rest of the night--a great change from her usual pattern of waking up with nightmares every hour.

A few nights later (I think it was 2 or 3 nights later) she passed.

We had had to take her to the hospital, because her prescribed opioids were no longer enough to tamp down the pain, so her doctor had her re-admitted and put on strong morphine. She sank into a deep sleep from the morphine, and at first I thought with relief, "Ok, I can go back home and get the first good night's sleep I've had in months!" I was SO exhausted--but the nurses realized she was much closer to passing than I had realized she was, and they strongly encouraged me to stay, so I did.

I sat by my mother's bed, holding her hand. Her grip became convulsively stronger as she held mine--even under the morphine--as if she were holding on to me like a lifeline. The nurses told me I needed to tell her she could let go, that it was ok to go, which felt strange to me to say to her, because she'd always been the person who had had to be VERY MUCH "in control"--but I told her that it was ok, that I would take care of her home and her things and her cat--that she didn't have to worry about anything, I'd take care of it--and my husband in the room with me assured her he'd take care of me. They didn't have a cot, but just a little reclining chair that was too low for me to hold my mother's hand without holding my arm bent up at the elbow. Problem was, every time I drifted off to sleep, my hand would grow so heavy I couldn't hold it up any more and my arm would drop down. Then I'd wake up and re-grasp her hand, and her fingers would wind around mine as tightly as before.

Slowly, her breathing turned into the "death rattle" and we knew she didn't have long. The nurses were coming in to check her about every hour, at which times I'd wake up and re-grasp her hand.

At some time in the early morning, I had dropped off to sleep again, but I was still aware of her loud, rattling breathing. At some time, in my sleep, I realized the sound had stopped--and something in my sleep-fogged brain tried to make sense of that fact, the but rest of my exhausted brain just sighed with relief and prepared to relax into a deeper sleep--when suddenly a strong wave of heat seemed to pass right through my body---warm and comforting, like a wave of energy had passed THROUGH me, that had enveloped me like a warm blanket--and then it was gone. I sighed and sank more deeply into sleep--but then the nurse came in to check my mother's vitals again--and when she did, I woke up fully and realized my mother was no longer breathing.

The time was 5:15 am.

Hours later, when my husband and I got back home from the hospital, I went into my mother's bedroom, and saw the alarm clock I had bought her, that she always kept on her dresser.

It had stopped---at exactly 5:15 am.

I've always wondered if the "pretty lady" mama saw (and so calmly!) was her recently-passed friend (only she never seemed to recognize her or call her by her friend's name) or if she was an angel. I've also always wondered what would have happened, or what I would have experienced, had I walked closer to that chair, or even passed my hand over / above it.

But I've always believed my Mama saw something, from the other side, that comforted and strengthened her that night.
 

Chance

Veteran Member
Wanted to share this with you concerning my brother's mother-in-law, Barbara - she passed today.

Doug told me about what Barbara said and about his son's dream.

Barbara was 86 years old and had been diagnosed with dementia a few years ago. About 3 months ago, her 3 daughters decided it was time for her to go into nursing care. Last weekend, she fell and hit her head and never recovered. She become unresponsive shortly after that. She was DNR.

Doug said for the last few months Barbara had been talking often about wanting to see her son Robin; that she wanted to die and be with him. Robin was her only son; he was killed in a car wreck when he was 16 years old.

One of Doug's sons told his parents a few days ago (Doug passed this on to me the following morning of the dream) that his grandmother came to him in a dream - this was before she died. She told him "Everything will be alright, Mark." As he continued telling them about his dream he made the comment that she looked very young...then he added that she had "the biggest and most beautiful eyes he'd ever seen!" Of course, my brother's sons knew their grandmother all of their lives.

When my brother's wife heard Mark's last comments she almost fell over! She explained that when her mom was in her teens and early 20s her one frequently commented on feature was her eyes - people would comment and say "she has the biggest most beautiful eyes we have ever seen".

She said she has pictures of when her mom was young and one can see this. As Barbara aged, the feature wasn't as noteworthy and the comments no longer came. Becky doesn't remember hearing this comment herself, but was only told about it when she was an adult.

My brother said he never heard this story about his MIL until now.

Robin was born on 4/19. Barbara died this morning at 4:19.

I don't believe in coincidences.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
I appreciate all of the stories that have been shared here. they are moving and full of hope for those who believe. for those who don't - hopefully they are the "beginnings" of knowing that there is something better beyond this place.

I have witnessed a few very incredible things sitting with those who are about to step across to the far side bank. for the sake of brevity I'll not go into great detail but you'll get the point.

I had a cousin Ed - who passed in October of 2010 from pancreatic cancer. several of us were there at his hospital beside keeping vigil with his wife Connie. in the early afternoon of the day he passed he'd become very anxious. he began to tell Connie that he "just wanted to go home now". suddenly he looked up to the ceiling and very loudly proclaimed " I SEE A BLUE SKY!" a very few seconds after that he said loudly proclaimed "I SEE JESUS!" at which point he passed.

Ed had been legally blind for 25 years. Connie had led him by the hand everywhere he'd gone for as long as I can remember. although Ed was raised catholic by his parents who had brought him here from Italy at the end of WWII, I do not recall that Ed had a particularly strong faith, none the less he was welcomed home by JESUS.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
we had an elderly widowed lady in the congregation of our little Baptist Church - Miss Lucy. she'd played a very large role in the church and was a mainstay of the congregation for an incredibly long time. eventually she became house bound and bed ridden. as her time got closer many of us went to sit vigil with her. there were several occasions in the last few days before Miss Lucy passed that Raggedyann and I were there with others and watched Lucy engage in extended conversations with people who weren't there in the room with us. notably her late husband Foster and her parents. the last few hours Lucy spent silently looking up at the ceiling - occasionally reaching upward - whispering and smiling at someone or some thing none of us could see above the bed.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
on the other side of the mountain lived an elderly man and his wife; its been over 10 years and I've forgotten their names at this point but they've both gone on now. although they were never members of our little congregation of about 50 people, we were aware that the old man had been sick with cancer for several months, that there was no family other than he and she and the woman worked at Walmart.

the church supplied materials and several of our men got together and built a ramp so she could get his wheel chair in and out of the house. as it got cold the church brought them fire wood. as he became more debilitated folks would go and sit with him when she worked and they'd help get him to his doctor's appointments when ever necessary.

he didn't have any particular faith and I had the impression that he and she both had spent the largest part of life un-churched. as his time got shorter he asked if the preacher would come and sit with him, and of course the preacher did. I wasn't there for most of those visits - generally one of the deacons went, but there was one time - 2 or 3 days before he passed - that I did stop by.

the old man had been a musician - made his living singing in bars. on this particular evening as I sat there visiting with the preacher, the head deacon and the old fellow, he sat up a little straighter in bed and asked who the pretty little girl with the red bow in her hair was. the one who came in and was sitting there on the edge of his bed smiling at him. we told him we couldn't see anyone. he didn't dispute that or seem to be upset with it. in short order he asked that we hand him the old acoustic guitar leaning in the corner of his bed room. he spoke to "the girl" and shortly there after began to sing to her. among the several songs he played, Jesus Loves The Little Children and another hymn that I don't recall.

I went home and told Raggedyann about it all. the old fellow died with 48 hours of that happening.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
and have heard from friends and family of it happening,

just has never happened to me, of those who I wished would have said , something, :shr:


Hello cooter,

My big 'supernatural' experience was with my dog Phantom (over on Raggedyman's thread). Don't know why there wasn't anything with my other dogs. And I wasn't distraught over Phantom's death at that point - he'd been gone for two years and I believe all dogs go to Heaven.

All but one of my stories are what family and friends have told me - their experiences. The one experience I had, I didn't know the man that was dying.

Maybe someone here has a thought/possible explanation about why this happens to some people left behind and not to others. Or maybe the question should be why does it happen with some people that have passed on and not to others that have passed on?

Chance;
I've pondered this at great length, I fully believe that all of us have this ability. some of us are simply more sensitive to it that others. better antennas as it were. in the instance of dreams - ALL of us dream - but not all of us REMEMBER our dreams. I also believe the dream state is the easiest time for those on the other side to communicate with us here. I've had several "dream visitations" of this sort - some of them have been so incredibly detailed that I've actually immediately written them up so as not to loose even the smallest detail.

I'll try to relate a few in the next little while . . .
 

Chance

Veteran Member
Thank you Raggedyman for sharing those precious stories of Miss Lucy and cousin Ed!

There are so many stories out there that touch our hearts and often make us gasp in wonder! They show us that there is something 'on the other side'!

I just went back and read stories that were added after the last time I visited this thread.

Thank you to the many that have shared their story to give us a glimpse of what many loved ones have experienced as they enter another world and leave this one.

They all have a common theme...these people crossing over no longer have the border walls of our reality keeping them from seeing what they normally couldn't see. They no longer see through a dark glass or a thick veil that blocks the view...but the boundary has become faded, the veil has thinned. I do not doubt they see what they do..they are at the end of a path I have not reached...yet.

If our loved ones and friends come to us to help us crossover, if angels come to show us the way, If our beloved pets come to walk with us..then I say Praise the Lord for allowing these visitations as we make our way Home!
 

Chance

Veteran Member
Raggedyman, your last story of the neighbor reminds me of this....

Months before my father died he told us about little girls in white dresses that would come and visit him...they never said a word although he tried to talk to them. He also said my long passed away piano teacher would come to his room. My piano teacher was like a second mother to me and she knew how dear my father was to us kids.

My father wasn't on any pain meds or drugs that he hadn't been on for dozens of years...such as his blood pressure meds. So no reason to think these were drug induced hallucinations.

I've often wondered if the little girls were his dead sisters that were stillborn. They buried them in cigar boxes in the backyard...this was back in the 1910s.

He said these visitors could walk right through the walls. My father was cognizant to his death.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
my first wife Debbie's father was a hard nosed incredibly strict old Italian guy who came here from the mother land at 17. he did marble and tile and was tough as nails in an old country sort of way. everybody called him "Hank" but his given name was "Ubaldo" . . . I always called him "Uba" - like his sisters Lettizia and Mima did when we were in Italy.

even after Debbie and I separated and divorced, Uba and I remained very close. when ever I was in the neighborhood I'd stop and see him. I'd bring him special little things he liked - sometimes Raggedann would send over some roasted red peppers from the garden. he liked to sit and talk, sip red wine and play in the garden with the plants he raised from seed; all the old time stuff I did with my grandfathers when I was a kid.

when I was with Uba it was like a trip in the way back and I loved it. most of the time we spoke Italian - that made him happy. he absolutely loved Raggedyann. after we moved up here to the mountains when we'd get a big snow or bad storm he'd call and check on us; always asking "hows your wife doing?" never hung up without telling me "say good night to your wife for me". in other words Uba and I had a pretty unusual relationship for an ex FIL and ex SIL

after we moved from central Florida to western North Carolina Uba even came up for a visit. he was in his early 80's at the time. he loved where we lived because it reminded him of the mountains of central Italy where we'd all come from and where he lived before he came here.

earlier I mentioned that some of the dream visits I've had were so incredibly detailed that I sat and wrote them up - this below is one of those. in this dream visit "Robert" is Uba's youngest son and "Jo" is Raggedyann . . .

A Visit With Uba
3.22.19​

I had this dream about 5 AM in the morning. I am with Jo and it seems as if we are in a parking lot and it is dark outside. It seems as if we are at an old folks home and we are going to visit someone but I don't know who. We get out and walk across the parking lot which seems to be blacktop to me. Again the impression is of darkness – both as to the surface we are walking across and the feeling of “evening”.

We open a door - a very plain white door – and walk down a dim hall which also feels somewhat plain. Jo is with me but silent. After a short walk we come to another door – similarly plain and white. Its on our right.

I open the door and enter a room and Hank is there. I am both very excited and very happy to see him. I am also very surprised that he is there. He is very young – late twenties - early thirties and is in excellent shape. He reminds me a bit of Robert when I look at him. I tell him how amazing he looks. He smiles at me – then he comes to me and hugs me. I could tell that he was happy to see me too. The most amazing thing is THAT I COULD FEEL HIM HUG ME - HE WAS VERY SOLID – the impression was of strength and health.

He stepped back but was still facing me. He said to me “I couldn't breathe” he turned a very light blue and then a shimmering neon/electric blue and disappeared before my eyes. End of dream.

I was very happy after this dream. I had not dreamed of Uba since he passed. I do not know if I went to see him or if he came to see me but the overwhelming sense of happiness that I had hugged him and that he looked so good, remained most of that day. The most amazing thing is that I FELT HIM SOLIDLY when we hugged.

One final thing – I had this dream on a Friday morning (3.22.19); that following Sunday (3.24.19) we were in church and I was leafing through my bible and a card fell out of it – it was Hanks' obituary card.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
this is another "dream visit" that I'd written up immediately after the fact, but unfortunately it was lost shortly there after in a computer crash. because these experiences are typically so vivid and real - I can remember this dream well enough to recreate it essentially verbatim to the way it was initially written up. what I do NOT have is the date and time of this - something I'd typically record. I can tell you that this dream visit occurred in the early predawn hours of the morning this individual passed - and that he passed in the early afternoon of that morning - so it would have occurred 8-10 hours before he passed. During that period of time the individual was definitely "in-between" . . . in other words when I had this dream he had one foot on "this side" and the other foot "over there".

this details an encounter between myself and my ex wife's late husband, who passed after a terrible struggle with ALS. Joe and I had always maintained what could only be termed a mutually very respectful relationship. I was aware in the wakeful state that Joe was close to death and had been for two - three weeks prior to this. I'd asked permission to visit him but the request was denied because of his condition and appearance and the inherent difficulties patients experience in late stage ALS.

Joe had been an excellent step father to both my son and daughter; because I was unable to communicate that directly to him I'd asked that they both to express my deepest appreciation for the way he'd been with them. specifically to let him know how much I appreciated the things he'd done with and for them and the way we all got along together.

although I'm not certain about this, I believe I went to him rather than him coming to me. as it unfolds I believe you'll see why this is probably an accurate statement. see what you think after reading this . . .

A visit with Joe​

I dreamed that I'd walked into a large open suite. the impression was that it was summer; the room was very bright and airy and there was a cool breeze blowing through this space. there were light white sheer curtains hanging from a window which was to the right. these hung over some large windows that were open and the breeze blew them gently. everything in this place was white - the floor the walls - EVERYTHING. Despite being bright white it was not an "uncomfortable" white.

there were two beds in the room. Both were covered in light white bed clothes. in the bed to the left was a woman - I'm not certain who she was. initially I thought it was a woman I knew and disliked from this area, but then the impression was that it was my ex wife. this woman, who was simply laying there in bed smiled at me, but I paid her no mind and we did not speak. in the bed to the right was Joe - my ex wife's husband.

Joe was sitting up in bed; he was dressed in a paisley print purple silk smoking jacket. He was smiling at me and his hair was neatly combed. a white sheet covers the lower half of his body – from the waist down. It was obvious that he was very comfortable and quite content here. I remember thinking this was about the best I'd remember him looking in a very long time – it was as if I was seeing him before he'd gotten sick.

I walked over to the right side of the bed and rested my hand on the bed sheet - at the edge of the bed. I became aware that although what I could see of him from the waist up looked great, his legs were extremely thin under the sheet; the impression was they were like "broomsticks". He smiled up at me and although he didn't speak, I was able to express to him how very much I appreciated the way he'd been with both of my kids. I was able to tell him that I greatly appreciated what he'd done for and with them; that he'd never tried to replace me or disrespect my decisions where they were concerned. I thanked him for the love and respect he'd shown both of them and myself as well as the relationship we'd had. I was certain that he'd received the message I was sending and he knew that was the intent of my being there to see him.

End of dream.

Some interesting facts. I later found that my ex had in fact been laying in bed along side him as he spent his last night here on earth. That's what the dream suggested. That bedroom was a huge master suite.

My son in law also had a dream visit with Joe that night. In that visit my SIL was in a huge bright room standing behind Joe. Joe was standing near a wall of white wispy curtains looking out over a very beautiful landscape beyond. Joe turned to him and said: "I have to go now. I don't want to but I have to. I love you all" . . . then Joe turned and walked through the door - and disappeared.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
One final contribution to this most excellent thread.

Many here know that I lost my sister Denise to ovarian cancer in February of 2016. Denise was 62 at the time of her death and she'd been widowed since 1998.

Denise lived very rural in SW St Francoise county, MO about 2hrs outside of St Louis. She had a 10 acre mini farm two dogs two cats and some livestock including two horses and a donkey. She loved that place; she'd worked very hard to maintain it and she was very proud of it. The 2 hour drive each way to and from work in the city every day wasn't an issue for her. Even if she would have agreed to come here to western North Carolina and stay with us, Denise was an OR nurse trapped in a self insured medical system that prevented me from bringing her here to be with us.

Because she had no family there in St Louis to help her, I spent a great deal of time out there with her the last 3 years of her life. taking care of her and helping her to hold on to the things that she loved and had worked so hard for. Making sure that she made her medical appointments; taking her for chemo, various scans and special procedures; all of which were in St Louis. making sure she ate properly and taking care of her livestock and that little farm that she'd loved so much and that she was so proud of.

although Denise and I had always been extremely close we were literally "in the same skin" during those last three years. Sharing that time with her, loving and caring for her, being with her as she passed I count as the biggest privileged of my life. I was truly blessed by it, and I was truly blessed to have a wife that understood I HAD to be gone for weeks to months at a time to do this for my sister who had no other family there and no one else to care for her.

About 5 weeks before Denise passed we were talking and I asked if she'd had any interesting dreams; if anyone had come to "visit her". She told me that on several occasions she'd dreamed there was a big elevator with a light at the top. It seemed to be "foggy" around the elevator. There were two little girls playing marbles at the foot of the elevator and they wanted her to come and play with them. She'd wanted to go over and play with them but couldn't quite bring herself to get there.

When she finally did pass, I didn't dream of her for several weeks. I began to have this recurring dream that I was in a huge room. the room was crowded with people milling about. The impression was that it was a "waiting area" but also that the people weren't upset with the wait; the atmosphere was somewhat jovial – almost party like – and expectant. I knew that Denise was in the room and that I was supposed to find her. . . but try as I might I couldn't. Finally after about 6 weeks of dreaming this – generally at least 3 times per week – I was walking around looking for her and I saw her standing across the room to my left next to this big pillar. She looked great! Younger – mid 30's perhaps – and she was smiling at me. I could see that she was very happy. I woke immediately after that and I have not dreamed about her since then.

I wanted to share the last because I believe that "big room" was a kind of rest area or a holding area where very sick people are held and treated until they're well enough to function on their own again. I believe that was also mentioned by someone else here as well
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Well, I'll share a dream I had last week, hopefully it does not portend anything of this nature, but for the record. My mother died twenty some years ago due to a long battle with cancer. In my dream she is there in a sports arena, looking down at me smiling, with one of my sisters and her husband working their way to her. I'm not exactly sure which sister and husband, nor will I say, but if they die soon I will respond here. They were in the act of walking in her direction, but not really in my sight, but I knew they were there. My mother was very happy and looking at me in the dream.

The dream was quite wild, and I won't go there as to being on the court with lots of young kids, and me the old guy playing with them. I am the game director for AWANA at church so some of it makes sense, in an odd way. I hope nothing happens, but if it does I will tell this story often.
 

Chance

Veteran Member
Hello Ractivist,

Don't know if you had a dream premonition....but I've had two such dreams in the last 20 years concerning animals. The dreams didn't have 'endings' just like your sister and her husband walking in your mom's direction didn't have an ending - just a perceived possible ending (their deaths)...for me, the two dreams came true - but the endings weren't as the dreams would lead one to assume/believe. I think prayer, heavy duty prayer, prevented the bad possible outcomes of these two premonitions.

I'll be praying for your family!

Chance
 

Hambone

Contributing Member
My Grandmother was dying of heart failure in the hospital. My Mom told me that in her last moments she sat up in bed and starting talking to past relatives that had passed that she could see but nobody else could.

My wife and I sat with my Father as he was dying of gastrointestinal bleeding.
He had already before been incubated and wasn't going through that again.

While we sat with him in the hospital room he started seeing people in the corner of the room dressed in black.He kept asking who are these people and soon after started talking to his Mom in a normal conversation. He than looked at us,kind of grinned and just closed his eyes.

Still get goose bumps.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
I sat alone with both my mom and dad after they passed so they wouldn't be alone...with my mom for about 6 hours because the transport was so damned slow!
I opened the window for both of them as a sign for them to move on, but really...not a peep. I worked next door to the county morgue for 35 years and even played grunt for a few coroners in my day while they were doing their thing on the table. Dead people are dead...never had a bit of trouble with one. Can't say that for live folks.

My Grandma did call my name in my sleep when she died..while I was zonked out 150 miles away. That's about the extent of it.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
This thread is inspiring. I've had some small interactions with people who have passed, but nothing like you guys. However, I lately have found that people I think of out of the blue have gone on. It's a little spooky. For instance, last night I dreamed about the Chamber of Commerce, where I worked for six years in the mid-80s through the early 90's. One woman executive was very kind to me, and she was in my dream last night. Sure enough, I looked her up and she passed a couple of years ago. Her husband died a couple of years before her. Surprisingly, one of her daughters died too recently. RIP, Madeline. You were a sweetheart.

:(
 

evenso

Veteran Member
Growing up, our home was where all my friends gathered. When I got into college, my parents became surrogate parents to so many, impacting them emotionally and spiritually. When Mom passed away, Daddy would go to one of many local hospitals where he would take his Bible and just sit in waiting rooms (mainly ICU/CCU) looking for people he could minister to.

At age 88 he had a heart attack and came back home with us afterwards until one week later when he collapsed and was rushed to the hospital. We were told he was in CHF and his organs were shutting down. They quickly fitted him with more tubes than I'd ever seen and Dad was in and out of consciousness.

Saturday, the next day, the doctor told us Daddy only had 3-4 days left so we told him to remove all the tubes and take him off all meds. What happened next was just shocking. He became happy, energetic and animated. From that hour until he passed away, his ICU room was filled with over 100 people who came and/or phoned to say goodbye. Each person was prayed over, sung with or given his blessings. The joy in that room was palpable.

Sunday night the doctor took us aside to tell us they would release Dad the next morning. What? We weren't medically savvy to take care of him. We fretted all night and Monday morning an intern called to say they would be releasing him in a few hours. A few minutes later Daddy called to ask us to get to the hospital as soon as we could. When he told us he was dying, I got a nurse on the line who poo-poo'd that thought and said because his vitals were all good, he just needed a good breakfast .

On the strength of Dad's call my brother, husband and I rushed to get ready to get to the hospital when the phone rang again. It was Daddy. "Where ARE you?" We're rushing to get there Dad. "Well, hurry because I'm dying!" When we got there, people who were in the room visiting him told us he had been waiting for us.

The three of us stood around the bed while he told us he loved us and we thanked him for all he'd done/been to each of us and expressed our love. His speech became a little slurry. We read him his favorite Psalm (91) and began to sing "What a Day That Will Be." As weak as he was, he began singing with us! Soon his head fell back on the pillow as he stared at the ceiling. I know he was seeing something, some One! By now, he had stopped talking or communicating in any way.

All of a sudden, his head came back up, his face brightened and in a very loud voice said, "Lord Jesus, take me Home" and he was gone. We stood there, speechless for several minutes, taking in the wonder of what we had just seen. We actually watched Daddy walk from death to life and into the presence of Jesus only 10 minutes after we walked into his room. It is an experience I will *never* forget!

And it happened 17 years ago tomorrow. Yep, this veteran of so many literal and spiritual wars went Home on Veteran's Day.

I LOVE telling this story!
 

fish hook

Deceased
Thank you Raggedyman for sharing those precious stories of Miss Lucy and cousin Ed!

There are so many stories out there that touch our hearts and often make us gasp in wonder! They show us that there is something 'on the other side'!

I just went back and read stories that were added after the last time I visited this thread.

Thank you to the many that have shared their story to give us a glimpse of what many loved ones have experienced as they enter another world and leave this one.

They all have a common theme...these people crossing over no longer have the border walls of our reality keeping them from seeing what they normally couldn't see. They no longer see through a dark glass or a thick veil that blocks the view...but the boundary has become faded, the veil has thinned. I do not doubt they see what they do..they are at the end of a path I have not reached...yet.

If our loved ones and friends come to us to help us crossover, if angels come to show us the way, If our beloved pets come to walk with us..then I say Praise the Lord for allowing these visitations as we make our way Home!

They are in no way at the end of a path,......it is only just now beginning.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
Growing up, our home was where all my friends gathered. When I got into college, my parents became surrogate parents to so many, impacting them emotionally and spiritually. When Mom passed away, Daddy would go to one of many local hospitals where he would take his Bible and just sit in waiting rooms (mainly ICU/CCU) looking for people he could minister to.

At age 88 he had a heart attack and came back home with us afterwards until one week later when he collapsed and was rushed to the hospital. We were told he was in CHF and his organs were shutting down. They quickly fitted him with more tubes than I'd ever seen and Dad was in and out of consciousness.

Saturday, the next day, the doctor told us Daddy only had 3-4 days left so we told him to remove all the tubes and take him off all meds. What happened next was just shocking. He became happy, energetic and animated. From that hour until he passed away, his ICU room was filled with over 100 people who came and/or phoned to say goodbye. Each person was prayed over, sung with or given his blessings. The joy in that room was palpable.

Sunday night the doctor took us aside to tell us they would release Dad the next morning. What? We weren't medically savvy to take care of him. We fretted all night and Monday morning an intern called to say they would be releasing him in a few hours. A few minutes later Daddy called to ask us to get to the hospital as soon as we could. When he told us he was dying, I got a nurse on the line who poo-poo'd that thought and said because his vitals were all good, he just needed a good breakfast .

On the strength of Dad's call my brother, husband and I rushed to get ready to get to the hospital when the phone rang again. It was Daddy. "Where ARE you?" We're rushing to get there Dad. "Well, hurry because I'm dying!" When we got there, people who were in the room visiting him told us he had been waiting for us.

The three of us stood around the bed while he told us he loved us and we thanked him for all he'd done/been to each of us and expressed our love. His speech became a little slurry. We read him his favorite Psalm (91) and began to sing "What a Day That Will Be." As weak as he was, he began singing with us! Soon his head fell back on the pillow as he stared at the ceiling. I know he was seeing something, some One! By now, he had stopped talking or communicating in any way.

All of a sudden, his head came back up, his face brightened and in a very loud voice said, "Lord Jesus, take me Home" and he was gone. We stood there, speechless for several minutes, taking in the wonder of what we had just seen. We actually watched Daddy walk from death to life and into the presence of Jesus only 10 minutes after we walked into his room. It is an experience I will *never* forget!

And it happened 17 years ago tomorrow. Yep, this veteran of so many literal and spiritual wars went Home on Veteran's Day.

I LOVE telling this story!

evenso
what a wonderful and inspiring story. thank you for sharing it with us.
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
Mom passed a few days after 09/11 that fateful year. Mom’s demise was no surprise. Dad’s was. I thought for sure the doctors doublespeak was encouraging another two years. Instead, a few nights after our doctors visit, dad passed at home with a heart attack. Intuitively I knew what happened.

I ran off the job that night and drives to dad’s. The time on the death certificate was minutes after I began the 15 minute drive there. As the firemen paramedics left I walked up upon them. I still recall the face of the one fire-paramedic. You can’t tell me they become hardened to death. I thanked them for attempting to resuscitate him.

Two phenomena occurred during mom’s passing. At the time of her passing I awoke hearing my dad voice yell my name. (((Did I pick-up))) their connection to each other? Very much awake now, a full minute later my brother called to tell me mom had passed.

Graveside at mom’s services, I stood maybe six or seven feet away having just placed the coffin in front of the grave site. The Priest had just begun to say a few words when a single carnation flower with a short stem flew off the top of the coffin landing at my feet. I immediately leaned over to pick it up and gave a brief smile so as to not disrupt what was noticed by my elder cousin. My heart smiled much larger. I accepted it as our passing communication of goodbye.

I was never raised in expectation of seeing ghost. We just we’re not taught that way. Spirit was understood to be that part of of this real beating heart world, and perhaps the lingering disembarking upon the return to our father in Heaven.

From that day forward no other psi-spirit, or heavenly communication has been noted. Very few dreams. Perhaps now, the extra room in the heart and mind is where I keep their memory. As it should be for now.
 
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