ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

vector7

vector7

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Imagine what will happen here when we go to war...

.@JackPosobiec on Ukrainian women and children refugees being sold as sex slaves in the UAE: "It's the international community that has exacerbated this problem."

TPM's Joshua Young @TotoroVSBatman reports on this story: Women and children refugees from Ukraine sold as sex slaves in UAE https://t.co/Aev5XXswH9
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1557005139269111815
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Housecarl

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Abert said:
Not a big deal - unlike the primary cooling - the spent fuel just needs to be kept in a pool of water - VERY LOW TECH.
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Yes low tech as long as you have power to keep the water level up and no random shells or bombs landing upon said spent fuel....
 
Zagdid

Zagdid

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wait-n-see said:
Therefore any place supplying weapons and ammunition for either side becomes fair game for any weapon that can do the required damage to it.

No matter where it is. This is war.
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Yes, Russia claims to have destroyed 45000 tons of NATO supplied ammo this past Sunday, so pretty much a war of attrition.
 
Red Baron

Red Baron

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Runtime 1:03:36

Myths & Claims of the Russia-Ukraine War - Claims, Feints, and Bioweapons
Jun 26, 2022

View: https://youtu.be/6x0O_oObJBU

Timestamps:

00:00:00 -- Mythbusting the Russia-Ukraine War
00:00:35 -- What Am I Covering
00:02:34 -- Sponsor Segment - GROUND NEWS
00:03:55 -- The Crazy & Conspiracies
00:04:06 -- The Crazy & Conspiracies: The Biolabs
00:05:43 -- The Crazy & Conspiracies: The Biolabs - The "evidence"
00:08:19 -- The Crazy & Conspiracies: The Biolabs - The Genius plan
00:10:23 -- The Crazy & Conspiracies: Nato Special Forces in Ukraine
00:12:09 -- Economics: German Aid
00:14:30 -- Economics: all of the Ukrainian economy is in the Donbass
00:18:10 -- Battlefield matters
00:18:16 -- Battlefield matters: "Cannon fodder" and casualties
00:21:40 -- Battlefield matters: Aces and super heroes
00:23:48 -- Battlefield matters: Media Coverage
00:23:58 -- Battlefield matters: "Game changers"
00:27:19 -- Battlefield matters: Every day is change?
00:28:52 -- All according to plan?
00:29:29 -- All according to plan - Russian war aims
00:30:32 -- All according to plan - Assessing the goal
00:31:54 -- All according to plan - Kyiv was a feint?
00:33:44 -- All according to plan - The Donbass is a feint?
00:34:35 -- All according to plan - The war is a feint?
00:39:33 -- All according to plan - A Bad Plan
00:42:05 -- All according to plan - Is the war going according to plan
00:47:13 -- All according to plan - Just look at the map
00:50:40 -- All according to plan - The Narrative
00:54:12 -- What Am I Saying?
00:56:55 -- Expectations
00:59:16 -- Conclusion
01:00:41 -- Channel update
 
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mecoastie

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wait-n-see said:
Therefore any place supplying weapons and ammunition for either side becomes fair game for any weapon that can do the required damage to it.

No matter where it is. This is war.
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Absolutely. Now attacking a NATO country will bring NATO directly in and I do not think that would go well for Russia unless it goes nuke so I understand why they dont attack Poland. I do not understand why Russia has seemingly done nothing to stem the flow of weapons from the West. There shouldnt be a rail or major road intact between Poland and Ukraine. They should know where those weapons are going/ stored and be hitting them constantly. Do they lack the intel or the capacity to make those strikes?
 
Doc1

Doc1

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Melodi said:
This just breaking on the skynews.com constantly updating news thread: Pay Attention to this Story, it could get very big and very quickly - basically the nuclear plant has been damaged and it isn't being turned off.
news.sky.com

Ukraine war latest: 'Two-hour drone offensive' in Odesa; Russian army still building up despite Putin's 'mobilisation issues'

A two-hour Russian drone offensive has injured two people and damaged port infrastructure in Izmail, Odesa. Meanwhile, the ISW says Vladimir Putin is pressing ahead with building up his military despite mobilisation issues.
news.sky.com news.sky.com
Staff at Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant 'working under the barrels of Russian guns', ambassador says
Staff at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant are "working under the barrels of Russian guns", Ukraine's ambassador to the UN nuclear watchdog has said.

Yevhenii Tsymbaliuk said Russian forces shelled the complex in southern Ukraine to cause electricity blackouts and that damage to the facility meant any radiation could not be detected.

Mr Tsymbaliuk spoke in Vienna as international alarm over weekend artillery attacks on the Zaporizhzhia complex grew, with Kyiv warning of the risk of a Chornobyl-style catastrophe.

"If something happens, so there will be huge consequences not only for Ukraine, probably all Ukraine will be contaminated, but for Europe as well," Mr Tsymbaliuk told reporters, adding this would be "absolutely not comparable even to Chornobyl".

Mr Tsymbaliuk said Russian attacks on the facility had hit spent nuclear fuel, and damaged three radiation monitoring sensors around the site, adding: "The situation is looking like Ukrainian staff are working under the barrels of Russian guns."

"Russian occupants aim to destroy the plant's infrastructure, cause damage to all transmission lines - and they are used to transport electricity to the Ukrainian grid - and to cause blackouts in the south of Ukraine," he added.

The Ukrainian ambassador said Kyiv would use all the diplomatic channels it can to allow an international mission to the plant.
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The mendacities just keep getting bigger and bigger. Too many in the West just lap this swill up as though God had sent it down from the mountain.

Why would the Russians be shelling a site they've occupied since March? Why would the Russians have to destroy the plant's transmission lines if they wished to cause blackouts, instead of just turning the power off? If Mr. Tsymbaliuk is worried about a "Chernobyl- style catastrophe" why doesn't his government simply stop attacking the power plant (of course his ridiculous assertion is that the Russians are attacking the plant, which they already occupy)?

It should further be noted that the Russians haven't haven't prevented international inspectors from examining the plant. Apparently the inspectors are waiting for approval from the Kiev authorities, which hasn't been granted. This, of course, is ridiculous as Kiev hasn't had control of the plant for months

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wait-n-see

wait-n-see

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mecoastie said:
Absolutely. Now attacking a NATO country will bring NATO directly in and I do not think that would go well for Russia unless it goes nuke so I understand why they dont attack Poland. I do not understand why Russia has seemingly done nothing to stem the flow of weapons from the West. There shouldnt be a rail or major road intact between Poland and Ukraine. They should know where those weapons are going/ stored and be hitting them constantly. Do they lack the intel or the capacity to make those strikes?
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I think Russia is fully aware of any issue of non-nuclear war with NATO.

I can easily see Russia taking out one of our naval ships as a simple warning, or a carrier groups with a nuke as a major warning to back off. If they do this, then they are willing to go all the way.

If we retaliate then it will be game on, and there are enough people on both sides who are willing to go all the way.
 
Doc1

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I remain perplexed as to why the Russians don't pursue more aggressive tactics and especially why they don't drop the Ukrainian power grid and take out the Ukrainian train system. That would decisively impact Ukraine's war-making ability overnight. These are things which the Russians could do with relative ease by using their advanced, conventional guided missiles. That the Russians would be able to do this is beyond doubt.

Note specifically that I'm not hoping for these things, but am simply wondering why they aren't done. I have to suspect that there are behind the scenes negotiations in play with the US and European powers, that the public isn't privy to.

I have noted in the past that I felt that Putin was attempting to conduct a relatively "humane" war in Ukraine and attempting to minimize civilian casualties, but leaving the western Ukrainian infrastructure intact for an extended period only makes his war more difficult and results in the deaths of more Russian soldiers.

I'd like to hear input from the board and anyone's thoughts as to why Mr. Putin isn't better pressing his advantages.

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Doc
 
jward

jward

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Tyler Rogoway
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US officials have clarified that targets in Crimea are fair game, including the Kerch Strait Bridge, as they see it as Russian occupied territory of Ukraine. No escalation ceiling for US weapons use for Crimean targets. As for what was used here, lots of fingers pointing…
Towards ATACMS. Zero proof of its presence in Ukraine and lots of proof the admin hasn’t wanted to send it. That doesn’t mean it’s impossible at all, but there are many other possibilities, too. We know Ukraine has long-range strike capability via improvised drone, for instance.
By this late in the game, Ukraine could potentially have developed its own missile, especially with help. Off label use of Harpoon or Neptune is another thing to ponder, but launch would have likely been at sea which is problematic in that area. Ukraine’s Air Force having HARM… Will also change how and even airpower is used, but it’s still quite unlikely in this case.
 
jward

jward

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My thoughts, today, as one who has zero background in geopolitics/war, and who literally does not listen to the news broadcasts, gurus de jour, etc, and thus is totally unfettered by any preconceived ideas, is that what we see accomplished by the more drawn out engagement is chewing up more and more hardware of war- benefiting those who make, sell, own stock in said items.
Longer it goes on, with other areas beginning to boil over too, the easier it is to buy into the idea that they're acting in cohorts with their allies and this long engagement is to both bleed off and soften western resources, and that the timing is in some manner connected to the readiness of those other allies to move on their objectives.
 
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jward

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@WhereisRussia
@CovertShores
and 4 others
According to broader image:
13 Su-30sm
14 Su-24 (not counting the clearly non operational pieces)
1 Il-76
1 Tu-134ubl
6 Mi-8


jward said:

WhereisRussiaToday
@WhereisRussia


Satellite images from the Saky airbase taken this morning show:
12x Su-24s
10x Su-30SMs
1x IL-76

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1557025999044415488
View: https://twitter.com/WhereisRussia/status/1557025999044415488?s=20&t=1mrGV1b9PRQF1DiG1zGguA



New footage shows two of the initial explosions.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1557030656705708034
View: https://twitter.com/WhereisRussia/status/1557030656705708034?s=20&t=1mrGV1b9PRQF1DiG1zGguA
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mecoastie

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Doc1 said:
I remain perplexed as to why the Russians don't pursue more aggressive tactics and especially why they don't drop the Ukrainian power grid and take out the Ukrainian train system. That would decisively impact Ukraine's war-making ability overnight. These are things which the Russians could do with relative ease by using their advanced, conventional guided missiles. That the Russians would be able to do this is beyond doubt.

Note specifically that I'm not hoping for these things, but am simply wondering why they aren't done. I have to suspect that there are behind the scenes negotiations in play with the US and European powers, that the public isn't privy to.

I have noted in the past that I felt that Putin was attempting to conduct a relatively "humane" war in Ukraine and attempting to minimize civilian casualties, but leaving the western Ukrainian infrastructure intact for an extended period only makes his war more difficult and results in the deaths of more Russian soldiers.

I'd like to hear input from the board and anyone's thoughts as to why Mr. Putin isn't better pressing his advantages.

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Doc
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This has been bugging me for a long time. I dont understand it. To my admittedly amateur armchair generalling, I would have taken out all the major roads and rails leading into Poland. If you dont want to destroy all the rail take out the locomotives. They are not easily replaced as the Ukes run the Russian gauge and not Western. Taking out the grid in western Ukraine should be a no brainer. I can understand trying to preserve in in the Donbass and areas he wants to capture but hammer the western part of the country. Humane is not hitting hospitals, schools, residential areas, and food and water supplies.

There are only 2 reasons I can think of. First, he is scared of setting off NATO and getting them involved. He isnt a fool. The Russians cant take on NATO in a conventional war. NATOs air power will clean them up and they have lost a fair amount of their advanced armor in the Ukraine. Second is that they dont have the capability. Maybe their vaunted weapons systems arent what they are made out to be. Maybe shoddy construction, high fail rates, not enough trained troops to maintain them. More than likely IMO they dont have many of them. They produce enough to make it look good but not enough to make a real difference. Like when Stalin would have the bombers fly loops over the parades to make it look like the Soviet Air Force had more planes than it did. Neither is a good or particularly valid reason but I cant think of any other reason you stick with the ground grind and allow Western weapons to flood in.
 
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raven

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mecoastie said:
This has been bugging me for a long time. I dont understand it. To my admittedly amateur armchair generalling, I would have taken out all the major roads and rails leading into Poland. If you dont want to destroy all the rail take out the locomotives. They are not easily replaced as the Ukes run the Russian gauge and not Western. Taking out the grid in western Ukraine should be a no brainer. I can understand trying to preserve in in the Donbass and areas he wants to capture but hammer the western part of the country. Humane is not hitting hospitals, schools, residential areas, and food and water supplies.

There are only 2 reasons I can think of. First, he is scared of setting off NATO and getting them involved. He isnt a fool. The Russians cant take on NATO in a conventional war. NATOs air power will clean them up and they have lost a fair amount of their advanced armor in the Ukraine. Second is that they dont have the capability. Maybe their vaunted weapons systems arent what they are made out to be. Maybe shoddy construction, high fail rates, not enough trained troops to maintain them. More than likely IMO they dont have many of them. They produce enough to make it look good but not enough to make a real difference. Like when Stalin would have the bombers fly loops over the parades to make it look like the Soviet Air Force had more planes than it did. Neither is a good or particularly valid reason but I cant think of any other reason you stick with the ground grind and allow Western weapons to flood in.
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Your first and second reasons are only one reason.
It s SEAD. Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses.
Putin thought he figured a way to go to war without having to engage NATO's SEAD.

Well, that is over since the admission that we are shipping HARM to the Ukes.

Expect a change.

With effective SEAD, B-52s are in play.
Without it, they aren't
 
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Oreally

Right from the start
Doc1 said:
I remain perplexed as to why the Russians don't pursue more aggressive tactics and especially why they don't drop the Ukrainian power grid and take out the Ukrainian train system. That would decisively impact Ukraine's war-making ability overnight. These are things which the Russians could do with relative ease by using their advanced, conventional guided missiles. That the Russians would be able to do this is beyond doubt.

Note specifically that I'm not hoping for these things, but am simply wondering why they aren't done. I have to suspect that there are behind the scenes negotiations in play with the US and European powers, that the public isn't privy to.

I have noted in the past that I felt that Putin was attempting to conduct a relatively "humane" war in Ukraine and attempting to minimize civilian casualties, but leaving the western Ukrainian infrastructure intact for an extended period only makes his war more difficult and results in the deaths of more Russian soldiers.

I'd like to hear input from the board and anyone's thoughts as to why Mr. Putin isn't better pressing his advantages.

Best
Doc
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i don't think they have enough accurate weapons left to achieve significant damage where it matters
 
von Koehler

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mecoastie said:
This has been bugging me for a long time. I dont understand it. To my admittedly amateur armchair generalling, I would have taken out all the major roads and rails leading into Poland. If you dont want to destroy all the rail take out the locomotives. They are not easily replaced as the Ukes run the Russian gauge and not Western. Taking out the grid in western Ukraine should be a no brainer. I can understand trying to preserve in in the Donbass and areas he wants to capture but hammer the western part of the country. Humane is not hitting hospitals, schools, residential areas, and food and water supplies.

There are only 2 reasons I can think of. First, he is scared of setting off NATO and getting them involved. He isnt a fool. The Russians cant take on NATO in a conventional war. NATOs air power will clean them up and they have lost a fair amount of their advanced armor in the Ukraine. Second is that they dont have the capability. Maybe their vaunted weapons systems arent what they are made out to be. Maybe shoddy construction, high fail rates, not enough trained troops to maintain them. More than likely IMO they dont have many of them. They produce enough to make it look good but not enough to make a real difference. Like when Stalin would have the bombers fly loops over the parades to make it look like the Soviet Air Force had more planes than it did. Neither is a good or particularly valid reason but I cant think of any other reason you stick with the ground grind and allow Western weapons to flood in.
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Don't overlook the massive amount of Russian corruption which increases the higher up you go.
 
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