ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I can confirm that behind the, scenes there is huge worry all over Europe about that nuclear plant, real information had to come by and it is difficult to say just exactly who is doing what to whom.

However, at the end of the day, it is one of the (if not the) largest nuclear plants in, Europe and it has already been damaged and is in the middle of a shooting war between two sides that are using it as part of a battleground.

Back channel talks are going on all over Europe about what to do if something goes terribly wrong and a real accident occurs. I gather that if the winds are blowing in their usual way, this will blow back on Russia and Belarus. Still, if they are blowing the other way (like they often do during harmful heat waves or severe winter freezes), then they go towards Northern and Western Europe (possibly the Baltic States or Eastern Europe too, depending on how the wind blows precisely).

The problems could be more significant than Cyrnoble, and that was still contaminating reindeer meat in Sweden when I lived there with Wolf from 1994-1995. Not to mention that until the war, "The Children of Cyrnoble" project in Ireland was still bringing over the GRANDCHILDREN of survivors, some of whom needed treatment for genetic and other conditions resulting from the original accident. Thyroid Tumors are still a massive problem in the area, as are some other genetic problems.
 

jward

passin' thru

The Intel Crab
@IntelCrab

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This short clip deserves the world's full attention. Russian forces in #Enerhodar are using the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant as a playground for soldiers, armored units, and equipment to hide in. The facility is the 9th largest in the world.
View: https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1556365871886569472?s=20&t=e8S2-wwE-ecaF4sm64ArhQ

Zaporizhzhia: Real risk of nuclear disaster in Ukraine - watchdog
The UN's nuclear watchdog has called for an immediate end to any military action near Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, warning of a "very real risk of a nuclear disaster".

IAEA chief Rafael Mariano Grossi said he was "extremely concerned" by reports of shelling at Europe's largest nuclear power plant.
It comes as Ukraine said parts of the facility were "seriously damaged" by Russian military strikes.
Russia seized the plant in March.
It has kept its Ukrainian employees, but Kyiv accuses Russian forces of firing rockets at civilian areas from the site, employing "terror tactics".
Friday's strikes underline "the very real risk of a nuclear disaster that could threaten public health and the environment in Ukraine and beyond", Mr Grossi said in a statement.
"Any military firepower directed at or from the facility would amount to playing with fire, with potentially catastrophic consequences," he added.

Ukrainian staff must be able to carry out their important duties "without threats or pressure", he said, adding that the IAEA should be allowed to provide technical support.
"For the sake of protecting people in Ukraine and elsewhere from a potential nuclear accident, we must all set aside our differences and act, now. The IAEA is ready," said Mr Grossi, days after stating the plant was "completely out of control".
The operator of the Zaporizhzhia plant said the Russian missile strikes had forced the closure of one "power unit", adding that there was a risk of radioactive leaks.
The strikes "caused a serious risk for the safe operation of the plant", operator Enerhoatom wrote on Telegram.
Moscow said Ukraine carried out the attack.

The BBC was unable to verify the reported damage at the nuclear plant.
However, the EU has hit out at Moscow over the latest shelling with the bloc's top diplomat, Josep Borrell, saying it "condemns Russia's military activities" around the plant.
"This is a serious and irresponsible breach of nuclear safety rules and another example of Russia's disregard for international norms," he said, and called for the IAEA to be granted access to the plant.
Russian forces hold the plant and surrounding areas, close to Ukrainian-held territory. It consists of six pressurised water reactors and stores radioactive waste.

Civilians in nearby Nikopol, which lies across the river and is still under Ukrainian control, told the BBC that the Russians were firing rockets from the area around the plant and moving military hardware into the compound.
Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Friday that "any bombing of this site is a shameless crime, an act of terror".
The plant is in the city of Enerhodar, in the south-east of Ukraine along the left bank of the River Dnieper (Dnipro in Ukrainian).
The UK defence ministry says Russia is using the area to launch attacks - taking advantage of the "protected status" of the nuclear power plant to reduce the risk of overnight attacks from Ukrainian forces.
By George Wright

3-4 minutes


By George Wright
BBC News
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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Runtime 1:06:33

Cruise & ballistic missiles in Ukraine - effectiveness, lessons (and are the Russians running out?)

View: https://youtu.be/_F7mt4rNVY0


Timestamps:
00:00:00 -- Opening Words
00:00:31 -- Russia's Most Feared Conventional Weapons
00:01:57 -- What Am I Covering?
00:02:45 -- Doctrine & History
00:03:03 -- Historic Aerospace Talent
00:04:25 -- Soviet Rocketry and Missile Programs
00:05:42 -- Rocketry as a Response
00:08:14 -- A Rocket and Missile Force
00:09:14 -- Doctrine and Usage
00:10:41 -- The Competing Forces
00:10:58 -- The Cutting Edge
00:13:31 -- The Kalibr Showpiece
00:15:11 -- The Old
00:16:34 -- The Improvised
00:18:47 -- Ukraine - the Old, the New, and yet to come
00:22:08 -- Missile Use In Ukraine
00:22:16 -- The Opening Salvos
00:24:22 -- Escalation
00:25:42 -- Send in the Museum Pieces
00:27:52 -- Note on Targeting
00:30:15 -- The Rebuttal
00:33:13 -- Performance Observations
00:33:28 -- Reliability and Performance
00:36:50 -- Targeting and Accuracy
00:41:18 -- Ukrainian use of GMLRS
00:43:59 -- Sustainability?
00:44:08 -- "They're running out"
00:45:39 -- Evaluating the Thesis
00:49:35 -- Production Capacity
00:52:53 -- So is this Sustainable?
00:54:54 -- Lessons for the others
00:55:03 -- ISR is Central
00:57:14 -- Consumption Rates
00:58:42 -- Capability Requirements
01:01:45 -- Potential Importance
01:03:13 -- Conclusion
01:04:34 -- Channel Update
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
Zaporizhzhia: Real risk of nuclear disaster in Ukraine - watchdog
By George Wright

3-4 minutes


By George Wright
BBC News
Image source, Reuters
Image caption,
Russia seized the Zaporizhzhia plant - the biggest in Europe - in March but kept its Ukrainian employees
The UN's nuclear watchdog has called for an immediate end to any military action near Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, warning of a "very real risk of a nuclear disaster".

IAEA chief Rafael Mariano Grossi said he was "extremely concerned" by reports of shelling at Europe's largest nuclear power plant.
It comes as Ukraine said parts of the facility were "seriously damaged" by Russian military strikes.
Russia seized the plant in March.
It has kept its Ukrainian employees, but Kyiv accuses Russian forces of firing rockets at civilian areas from the site, employing "terror tactics".
Friday's strikes underline "the very real risk of a nuclear disaster that could threaten public health and the environment in Ukraine and beyond", Mr Grossi said in a statement.
"Any military firepower directed at or from the facility would amount to playing with fire, with potentially catastrophic consequences," he added.

Ukrainian staff must be able to carry out their important duties "without threats or pressure", he said, adding that the IAEA should be allowed to provide technical support.
"For the sake of protecting people in Ukraine and elsewhere from a potential nuclear accident, we must all set aside our differences and act, now. The IAEA is ready," said Mr Grossi, days after stating the plant was "completely out of control".
The operator of the Zaporizhzhia plant said the Russian missile strikes had forced the closure of one "power unit", adding that there was a risk of radioactive leaks.
The strikes "caused a serious risk for the safe operation of the plant", operator Enerhoatom wrote on Telegram.
Moscow said Ukraine carried out the attack.

The BBC was unable to verify the reported damage at the nuclear plant.
However, the EU has hit out at Moscow over the latest shelling with the bloc's top diplomat, Josep Borrell, saying it "condemns Russia's military activities" around the plant.
"This is a serious and irresponsible breach of nuclear safety rules and another example of Russia's disregard for international norms," he said, and called for the IAEA to be granted access to the plant.
Russian forces hold the plant and surrounding areas, close to Ukrainian-held territory. It consists of six pressurised water reactors and stores radioactive waste.

Civilians in nearby Nikopol, which lies across the river and is still under Ukrainian control, told the BBC that the Russians were firing rockets from the area around the plant and moving military hardware into the compound.
Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Friday that "any bombing of this site is a shameless crime, an act of terror".
The plant is in the city of Enerhodar, in the south-east of Ukraine along the left bank of the River Dnieper (Dnipro in Ukrainian).
The UK defence ministry says Russia is using the area to launch attacks - taking advantage of the "protected status" of the nuclear power plant to reduce the risk of overnight attacks from Ukrainian forces.
Does anyone note the irony? Russia has been in control of the plant since March (remember the kerfuffle about how they were going to cause a huge nuclear disaster when they took over the facility?) So they didn't, they kept the Ukrainian operations staff and have kept producing power for the region.

Now it's being shelled by the Ukrainians and the press reports range from 1. the Russians are shelling the plant (ridiculous that they'd be shelling what they control) to 2. The Ukrainians are shelling the plant without any regard for damage which the Russians so far have managed to contain and control, but it's all the Russians' fault that the Ukies are shelling and damaging the facility! :eye:

Zelensky actually got something right. It IS a shameless crime and an act of terror to bomb this site.
 
Does anyone note the irony? Russia has been in control of the plant since March (remember the kerfuffle about how they were going to cause a huge nuclear disaster when they took over the facility?) So they didn't, they kept the Ukrainian operations staff and have kept producing power for the region.

Now it's being shelled by the Ukrainians and the press reports range from 1. the Russians are shelling the plant (ridiculous that they'd be shelling what they control) to 2. The Ukrainians are shelling the plant without any regard for damage which the Russians so far have managed to contain and control, but it's all the Russians' fault that the Ukies are shelling and damaging the facility! :eye:

Zelensky actually got something right. It IS a shameless crime and an act of terror to bomb this site.
The entire Ukrainian episode has been mostly about "optics," as defined by the compliant western press.


intothegoodnight
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Hummm......

What U.S Aid to Ukraine is ACTUALLY Doing
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Aug 7, 2022
RT 16:16
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLkgRJqij4k



Task & Purpose

759K subscribers

$54 Billion Dollars in American Military Power Projection gets Ukraine no tanks, Infantry Fighting Vehicles or Fighter Jet Aircraft like the M1 Abrams, M2 Bradley, or F-35. What is the strategy here with this money? What is the United States goal with sending aid to Ukraine. Will it help with the counter offensive?

Can the US Army intelligence services hope to help out in this war for that amount of funds? The Russian Invasion of Ukraine has entered a new stage in the south in Kherson and east in the Donbass. Who will win, remains to be seen.

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vector7

Dot Collector
BREAKING REPORT: Pink Floyd's Roger Waters doubles down on decision to call BIDEN A 'WAR CRIMINAL' during his concerts - telling CNN host in wild interview that he and NATO are responsible for Ukraine war...

He's right. The US and NATO could have easily brokered a deal to avoid war
View: https://twitter.com/wareagle30/status/1556621097478520832?t=Dtna0OHfVPMu6bueNdbZww&s=19


RT 2min
View: https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1556350813328576513?t=F_g74Wd26DYn7E1hqLU0Bg&s=19


I bet Zelenskyy is a multi- multi millionaire

$35M house in Miami & $1.3B in Costa Rican Bank as of Feb 2022
View: https://twitter.com/VinceLaBido/status/1556363200878329858?t=tqdqYmn8a_gAsAWglPKHhw&s=19
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
BREAKING REPORT: Pink Floyd's Roger Waters doubles down on decision to call BIDEN A 'WAR CRIMINAL' during his concerts - telling CNN host in wild interview that he and NATO are responsible for Ukraine war...

He's right. The US and NATO could have easily brokered a deal to avoid war
View: https://twitter.com/wareagle30/status/1556621097478520832?t=Dtna0OHfVPMu6bueNdbZww&s=19


RT 2min
View: https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1556350813328576513?t=F_g74Wd26DYn7E1hqLU0Bg&s=19


I bet Zelenskyy is a multi- multi millionaire

$35M house in Miami & $1.3B in Costa Rican Bank as of Feb 2022
View: https://twitter.com/VinceLaBido/status/1556363200878329858?t=tqdqYmn8a_gAsAWglPKHhw&s=19
What is the street address of Zelensky's house in Miami?
 

mzkitty

I give up.
:shkr:

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'Paranoid' Russians burning bodies of dead Ukrainians in mobile incinerators

Summary by Daily Star

'Paranoid' Russians burning bodies of dead Ukrainians in mobile incinerators

1 day ago·Kherson, Ukraine


British war correspondent David Patrikarakos reported on Saturday that Vladimir Putin's forces in Kherson are burning Ukrainians "day and night" to mask the amount of civilian casualties

'Paranoid' Russians burning bodies of dead Ukrainians in mobile incinerators

British war correspondent David Patrikarakos reported on Saturday that Vladimir Putin's forces in Kherson are burning Ukrainians "day and night" to mask the amount of civilian casualties.

 

John Deere Girl

Veteran Member
BREAKING REPORT: Pink Floyd's Roger Waters doubles down on decision to call BIDEN A 'WAR CRIMINAL' during his concerts - telling CNN host in wild interview that he and NATO are responsible for Ukraine war...

He's right. The US and NATO could have easily brokered a deal to avoid war
View: https://twitter.com/wareagle30/status/1556621097478520832?t=Dtna0OHfVPMu6bueNdbZww&s=19


RT 2min
View: https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1556350813328576513?t=F_g74Wd26DYn7E1hqLU0Bg&s=19


I bet Zelenskyy is a multi- multi millionaire

$35M house in Miami & $1.3B in Costa Rican Bank as of Feb 2022
View: https://twitter.com/VinceLaBido/status/1556363200878329858?t=tqdqYmn8a_gAsAWglPKHhw&s=19
I read somewhere last week that he makes $11 million a month.
 

vector7

Dot Collector
What is the street address of Zelensky's house in Miami?
Wasn't my comment but because I didn't know I dug down. There's a lot of rumors but not a lot of evidence on this subject.

Pandora papers:
View: https://twitter.com/Cryptof99419064/status/1499503421371478019?t=zuAK2Dq3PDHNXnfK38_sNA&s=19


Zelensky found a billion dollars and a villa in Miami
View: https://twitter.com/Tian_A1/status/1555852851661996032?t=vkufCOeRa8O9CWycyaj5vg&s=19


But from a Forbes article:
President Zelensky Is Not A Billionaire. So How Much Is He Worth?
Apr 20, 2022
A popular internet meme currently making the rounds claims without evidence that Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky is worth $1.4 billion – “more than Will Smith, Chris Rock, and Dave Chapelle combined.” The insinuation is clear. For Zelensky, a former comedian, to have accumulated a fortune of this size, there must be corruption involved. And while this claim has been parroted by its fair share of anonymous Twitter eggs, a number of blue checks have gotten in on the action.

Lee Stranahan, an American host on Kremlin-owned and controlled Radio Sputnik featured in the Oliver Stone documentary “Revealing Ukraine,” tweeted to his nearly 100,000 followers: “Why Is Zelensky a Billionaire?”

Forbes’ answer: he’s not. The Russian invasion has hit Ukraine’s billionaires hard. According to Forbes’ 36th annual World’s Billionaires List, there are only seven left in the country and Zelensky is not one of them (nor is former president and chocolate magnate Petro Poroshenko, who dropped from the rankings this year).

But unlike his predecessor, Zelensky never was a billionaire. He’s currently worth roughly $20 million, based on reporting by Forbes Ukraine. Additional reporting by Forbes US puts that number at less than $30 million.

His main asset: an estimated 25% stake in Kvartal 95, a group of companies that produce humorous shows, which he transferred to his partners after being elected president, though he’ll likely regain his shares after leaving office. Kvartal 95 produced and owns the Servant of the People series, a popular political comedy starring Zelensky as a Ukrainian high school teacher who is elected president. Netflix, which previously streamed the show between 2017 and 2021, snapped up the rights again in March. With estimated revenues of $30 million annually, Forbes Ukraine values Zelensky’s stake at $11 million.

While he does own a flat in one of Ukraine’s most expensive apartment buildings in the center of Kyiv, it’s relatively modest by Western standards. Forbes estimates Zelensky’s entire real estate portfolio is worth $4 million, including two more wholly owned apartments, two that he co-owns, a single commercial property and five parking spaces. Zelensky did own a $4.6 million villa in Forte dei Marmi, Italy as of December 2019, according to the most recent filing by his holding company. He apparently sold it during 2020 (it had shown up in his declarations for 2018 and 2019 but not 2020) along with a small plot of land and 5 hotel rooms in Georgia (popular upper-middle-class investments in Ukraine). The cash from these sales was declared and is included in Forbes’ estimate, but because the sum is less than the estimated value of the real estate, it is possible Zelensky remains a de facto beneficiary or the cash is invested elsewhere.


Then I stumbled across this...

Breaking down Ukraine - let’s start with Zelensky’s $35M mansion in Sunny Isles, FL built by Kolomoisky and Pinchuk. $1.3B in the bank!!
RT 2min
View: https://twitter.com/RealGeorgeWebb1/status/1498981025711640578?s=20&t=OI_uuoEzMvjzK-oVEkkD8w


I love it when the BBC finally catches up to me. Thanks for the fact check BBC. All you have to do is go to the location and get in a boat. We went out four times to get to Biden's Island.
View: https://twitter.com/RealGeorgeWebb1/status/1541329421839339522?s=20&t=OI_uuoEzMvjzK-oVEkkD8w


Glenn Beck's video lays it out very nicely...

Oh I remember when Glenn did this. I have so much more. Glenn doesn’t have Braverman or the Sergeant of Arms. He doesn’t have Taggart. He doesn’t have Nataliia Sova. None of the House whistleblowers. Good, but we have so much more.
View: https://twitter.com/RealGeorgeWebb1/status/1541672407727067139?s=20&t=OI_uuoEzMvjzK-oVEkkD8w



Still murky on an actual Miami address though. Feels like a lot of corruption going on but hard to track and pin down on so many levels.
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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It's becoming a Panzer Wunderland in Ukraine.

Gepard = Cheetah
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Cheetahs will destroy the Rashists. Three German anti-aircraft self-propelled artillery installations have already arrived in Ukraine, according to operational command South.

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German anti-aircraft guns Gepard arrived in Ukraine

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WTSR

Veteran Member


From the August, 2022 USMC Gazette. Marinus is the pseudonym of a senior Marine officer who regularly writes on warfare. The Russians are fighting a ‘revolutionary’ war.


Can anyone get a copy of this PDF?
 

Walrus

Veteran Member


From the August, 2022 USMC Gazette. Marinus is the pseudonym of a senior Marine officer who regularly writes on warfare. The Russians are fighting a ‘revolutionary’ war.


Can anyone get a copy of this PDF?
I don't have a copy, but there's plenty of writing out there which confirms the Marine officer's point about the Russians doing something revolutionary in terms of warfighting.

The main point is that they've reversed the heretofore conventional wisdom that an assaulting force must outnumber the defensive force by at least a 3:1 ratio in order to have a chance at defeating the defenders. The Russkies are winning with exactly the opposite: their assaulting forces have been outnumbered by the defensive forces by that 3:1 ratio. This is being accomplished by massive artillery bombardments - sometimes for weeks - before boots on the ground are sent in to clean up. This continues to happen in spite of western "expert analysts" jumping up and down waving their arms as they've been saying for months now that the Russians are running out of ammunition. (The RUSI analysis in the UK put the kibosh on that silliness but no one has paid attention to it)

The innovative and extensive use of drones (by both combatants, in all fairness) is another revolutionary technique.

This Marine also picked up on the by-now-clearly-understood fact that the initial quick strikes back in February were not to overcome and hold large swaths of Ukrainian land - particularly around Kiev - but were deceptive in that they fixed the large forces surrounding key cities such as Kiev while disguising their main thrusts of liberating the Donbass and developing the land bridge from the Sea of Azov down to the Black Sea. There are still "experts" who believe that the strikes on Kiev, Kharkov, etc., resulted in huge Ukrainian victories as the Russians moved back to protect their forces, while still keeping the threat large enough to force the Ukies to keep their defensive formations in place. They just don't get it still.

I'm no military historian by any stretch of the imagination, but from my reading, this is something which has never before been accomplished in the history of warfare.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
I don't have a copy, but there's plenty of writing out there which confirms the Marine officer's point about the Russians doing something revolutionary in terms of warfighting.

The main point is that they've reversed the heretofore conventional wisdom that an assaulting force must outnumber the defensive force by at least a 3:1 ratio in order to have a chance at defeating the defenders. The Russkies are winning with exactly the opposite: their assaulting forces have been outnumbered by the defensive forces by that 3:1 ratio. This is being accomplished by massive artillery bombardments - sometimes for weeks - before boots on the ground are sent in to clean up. This continues to happen in spite of western "expert analysts" jumping up and down waving their arms as they've been saying for months now that the Russians are running out of ammunition. (The RUSI analysis in the UK put the kibosh on that silliness but no one has paid attention to it)

The innovative and extensive use of drones (by both combatants, in all fairness) is another revolutionary technique.

This Marine also picked up on the by-now-clearly-understood fact that the initial quick strikes back in February were not to overcome and hold large swaths of Ukrainian land - particularly around Kiev - but were deceptive in that they fixed the large forces surrounding key cities such as Kiev while disguising their main thrusts of liberating the Donbass and developing the land bridge from the Sea of Azov down to the Black Sea. There are still "experts" who believe that the strikes on Kiev, Kharkov, etc., resulted in huge Ukrainian victories as the Russians moved back to protect their forces, while still keeping the threat large enough to force the Ukies to keep their defensive formations in place. They just don't get it still.

I'm no military historian by any stretch of the imagination, but from my reading, this is something which has never before been accomplished in the history of warfare.
And this "new" warfighting displayed by the Russians
is complimented by the "new" warfighting by the West which focuses on Urban Combat.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
This just breaking on the skynews.com constantly updating news thread: Pay Attention to this Story, it could get very big and very quickly - basically the nuclear plant has been damaged and it isn't being turned off.
Staff at Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant 'working under the barrels of Russian guns', ambassador says
Staff at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant are "working under the barrels of Russian guns", Ukraine's ambassador to the UN nuclear watchdog
has said.

Yevhenii Tsymbaliuk said Russian forces shelled the complex in southern Ukraine to cause electricity blackouts and that damage to the facility meant any radiation could not be detected.

Mr Tsymbaliuk spoke in Vienna as international alarm over weekend artillery attacks on the Zaporizhzhia complex grew, with Kyiv warning of the risk of a Chornobyl-style catastrophe.

"If something happens, so there will be huge consequences not only for Ukraine, probably all Ukraine will be contaminated, but for Europe as well," Mr Tsymbaliuk told reporters, adding this would be "absolutely not comparable even to Chornobyl".

Mr Tsymbaliuk said Russian attacks on the facility had hit spent nuclear fuel, and damaged three radiation monitoring sensors around the site, adding: "The situation is looking like Ukrainian staff are working under the barrels of Russian guns."

"Russian occupants aim to destroy the plant's infrastructure, cause damage to all transmission lines - and they are used to transport electricity to the Ukrainian grid - and to cause blackouts in the south of Ukraine," he added.

The Ukrainian ambassador said Kyiv would use all the diplomatic channels it can to allow an international mission to the plant.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Just breaking on the top of the RTE (Irish National Broadcasting) page - Basically, Russia Says "Ukraine did it." I'm only posting part of the article because the entire article is long and just starts rehashing old news after the first few paragraphs that I am posting - Melodi

Kremlin accuses Kyiv of shelling nuclear plant
Updated / Monday, 8 Aug 2022 20:32

The Kremlin has accused Ukrainian forces of firing on Europe's largest nuclear power plant in occupied Ukraine and warned the alleged attacks could have "catastrophic consequences".

Meanwhile, Ukraine warned of the risk of a Chernobyl-style catastrophe at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear complex and appealed for the area to be made a demilitarised zone.

It comes as the United Nations chief called for access to the plant as Ukraine and Russia traded blame for shelling in a southern region captured by Russian forces in March and now targeted by Kyiv for a counter-offensive.

"Any attack (on) a nuclear plant is a suicidal thing," UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres told a news conference in Japan, where he attended the Hiroshima Peace Memorial Ceremony on Saturday to commemorate the 77th anniversary of the world's first atomic bombing.

Head of Ukraine's state nuclear power company Energoatom Petro Kotin called for a team of peacekeepers to be deployed at the Zaporizhzhia site, which is still run by Ukrainian technicians.


"The decision that we demand from the world community and all our partners ... is to withdraw the invaders from the territory of the station and create a demilitarised zone on the territory of the station," Mr Kotin said on television.

"The presence of peacekeepers in this zone and the transfer of control of it to them, and then also control of the station to the Ukrainian side would resolve this problem."

Despite the shelling, the Zaporizhzhia complex was operating in "normal mode", Russia's Interfax news agency quoted the Russian-installed local administration head as saying.

Ukraine blamed Russia for renewed shelling in the area of the plant on Saturday that it said damaged three radiation sensors, with two workers hospitalised for shrapnel injuries.

It was the second reported hit on the plant in as many days, after damage to power lines servicing the plant.

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The Zaporizhzhia region's Russian-installed authority said Ukrainian forces hit the site with a multiple rocket launcher, damaging administrative buildings and a storage area.

In a call with reporters, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the shelling was "extremely dangerous" and added: "We expect the countries that have absolute influence on the Ukrainian leadership to use this influence in order to rule out the continuation of such shelling."

Mr Kotin flagged the danger of shells hitting spent containers of highly radioactive spent nuclear fuel as especially dire. If two or more containers were broken, "it is impossible to assess the scale of this catastrophe".

The world's worst civil nuclear disaster occurred in 1986 when one of the four reactors of the Chernobyl plant in northwest Ukraine caught fire and exploded.

Ukraine has said it is planning to conduct a major counter-offensive in the Russian-occupied south, apparently focused on the city of Kherson, west of Zaporizhzhia, and that it has already retaken dozens of villages.



Meanwhile, Adi Roche's Chernobyl Children International (CCI) has warned that nuclear power stations provide "tempting targets for military attacks during times of conflict and pose a huge danger internationally".

The CCI is urging that any attack or takeover on a nuclear facility be declared a war crime with "maximum penalties".

Elsewhere, a deal to unblock Ukraine's food exports and ease global shortages gathered pace as two grain ships sailed out of Ukrainian Black Sea ports this morning, raising the total to 12 since the first vessel left a week ago.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
And then Ukraine said - No we didn't he did it (I hear "mommy" in the background but that isn't in the reports) whoever, did whatever to whom, this is getting really kind of scary pretty quickly - especially on this side of the water - we checked the winds are blowing away from Ireland so we should be fine in the short term. Ukraine itself, parts of Russia, and other nearby countries might not be so lucky if they don't shut this thing down and fast. From the BBC
Russia using Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant as army base - Ukraine
By Hugo Bachega
BBC News, Kyiv

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Russian forces occupying the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant have turned the site into a military base to launch attacks against Ukrainian positions, the head of Ukraine's nuclear power company says.

Petro Kotin told the BBC the threat to the plant was "great", but that it remained safe.

For days, Ukraine and Russia have blamed each other for attacks on the site, Europe's largest nuclear plant, raising concerns of a major accident.

The complex has been under Russian occupation since early March, although Ukrainian technicians still operate it.

Over the weekend, Ukraine accused Russian forces of attacking the Soviet-era site, saying two workers were taken to hospital with shrapnel injuries and that three radiation sensors had been damaged.

Mr Kotin, who heads Enerhoatom, said 500 Russian soldiers were at the plant, and that they had positioned rocket launchers in the area, claims that cannot be independently verified.

"They [Russian forces] use it [the power plant] like a shield against the Ukrainian forces, because nobody from Ukraine is going to do something," Mr Kotin said.

"The Ukrainian Armed Forces know that these are Ukrainian personnel and this is a Ukrainian plant and there are Ukrainian people [there] so we aren't going to kill our people, our staff and damage our infrastructure."

Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant
IMAGE SOURCE,REUTERS
Image caption,
Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is the largest in Europe
The plant's staff, Mr Kotin said, were working under pressure and in danger, and some had been captured, beaten and tortured.

He said Russia's plans were to disconnect the plant from Ukraine's grid and eventually connect it to Russia's system.

Oleksandr Sayuk, the mayor of Nikopol, which sits on the opposite side of the Dnipro river, told the BBC last week that his city was under Russian shelling "almost every night", and that the attacks were being carried out by forces at the nuclear plant.

The tensions have led to growing calls for international inspectors to be allowed to visit the site.

The UN Secretary General, Antonio Guterres, said "any attack [on] a nuclear plant is a suicidal thing", while Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky described Russia's actions as "nuclear terrorism".

"There is no such nation in the world that could feel safe when a terrorist state fires at a nuclear plant," Mr Zelensky said in his nightly address on Sunday night.

Russia, however, denied the accusations, and blamed the Ukrainian forces for the attacks. The country's defence ministry said a high-voltage power line had been damaged as a result of the shelling.

The Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based think-tank, said last week that Russia was using the plant to play on Western fears of a nuclear disaster, "likely in an effort to degrade Western will to provide military support" to Ukraine.
 

Walrus

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This just breaking on the skynews.com constantly updating news thread: Pay Attention to this Story, it could get very big and very quickly - basically the nuclear plant has been damaged and it isn't being turned off.
Staff at Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant 'working under the barrels of Russian guns', ambassador says
Staff at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant are "working under the barrels of Russian guns", Ukraine's ambassador to the UN nuclear watchdog
has said.

Yevhenii Tsymbaliuk said Russian forces shelled the complex in southern Ukraine to cause electricity blackouts and that damage to the facility meant any radiation could not be detected.

Mr Tsymbaliuk spoke in Vienna as international alarm over weekend artillery attacks on the Zaporizhzhia complex grew, with Kyiv warning of the risk of a Chornobyl-style catastrophe.

"If something happens, so there will be huge consequences not only for Ukraine, probably all Ukraine will be contaminated, but for Europe as well," Mr Tsymbaliuk told reporters, adding this would be "absolutely not comparable even to Chornobyl".

Mr Tsymbaliuk said Russian attacks on the facility had hit spent nuclear fuel, and damaged three radiation monitoring sensors around the site, adding: "The situation is looking like Ukrainian staff are working under the barrels of Russian guns."

"Russian occupants aim to destroy the plant's infrastructure, cause damage to all transmission lines - and they are used to transport electricity to the Ukrainian grid - and to cause blackouts in the south of Ukraine," he added.

The Ukrainian ambassador said Kyiv would use all the diplomatic channels it can to allow an international mission to the plant.
This story is such balderdash from the start that it barely justifies the use of server space to discuss it. As I mentioned a while ago (reference post #32,128), why in God's creation would the Russians shell a facility which has been held by their own forces since March? And, I might mention, has been continually providing reliable power to the region all during that time as they kept the Ukrainian operations staff intact. And "working under the barrel of a Russian gun?" Puhhleez, these workers have undoubtedly gone home after their shifts and return for work the next day. Anything else would've required that a huge camp facility be built onsite and kept secure. ETA: There would undoubtedly be a hue and cry from Ukraine about the awful prison conditions, torture and threats to families that the staff were being exposed to.

Recent shelling by the Ukrainians has caused a couple of fires which were quickly extinguished but apparently there was some damage to some function of Reactor #3 which was immediately shut down. Reactor #4 continues to operate as normal. (I don't recall reading anything about reactors 1 & 2) Continued Ukie shelling will undoubtedly create a catastrophe, but they insist it's the Russians' fault because they've parked a lot of military equipment around the facility which Ukraine MUST shoot at. :rolleyes:

I have gotten to the point where it totally amazes me that anyone falls for Ukrainian public statements. I remember my dad saying about someone, "He'd tell a lie when the truth would've done just fine". That's the way the Ukies' words look to me. This representative to the IEAE or the UN speaks with such hyperbole that he puts the Ukrainian Defense Ministry to shame. Of course, he's speaking to the European audience; Europe (other than France) is so afraid of nuclear power that someone just has to mention the word "Chernobyl" to get the entire continent :hof:.

I call complete and total BS on this story (unless the idiot Ukrainians keep indiscriminately shelling the facility and there WILL be a catastrophic incident sooner or later).
 
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Walrus

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Ummm there's a marked difference between the phrases "30% of the equipment arrives at its destination" vs "30% of US weapons gone missing".

But mafs is hard, especially for lazy copycat journalists pounding out tweets instead of doing real work. Nothing against ZH but they should know better.
 

jward

passin' thru






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Russia Has Suffered Up to 80,000 Military Casualties in Ukraine, Pentagon Says | http://Military.com


Russia Has Suffered Up to 80,000 Military Casualties in Ukraine, Pentagon Says
Travis Tritten



Russia is believed to have had 70,000 to 80,000 troops killed or wounded in fighting since it invaded Ukraine in February, a top Pentagon official confirmed Monday.
The figure, which has not previously been made public, may not be precise but is "in the ballpark" as Russia remains locked in a war with the western-backed Kyiv government, Colin Kahl, the undersecretary of defense for personnel, said during a public press briefing. The General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces claimed Sunday on social media that 42,200 Russian troops have been killed.

The estimated losses show the Russian military may be making steep sacrifices as it executes an invasion ordered by President Vladimir Putin that has included failed logistics and supply systems, as well as the bombing of civilians. The Russian assault continues but has now mostly bogged down in a brutal artillery war in the east.
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"After all, more than 40 million Ukrainians are fighting. The stakes are existential for them. They are fighting for the survival of their country. I'll also say the Russians are taking a tremendous number of casualties on the other side of the equation," Kahl said. "There's a lot of fog in war but, you know, I think it's safe to suggest that the Russians have probably taken 70 [thousand] or 80,000 casualties in less than six months."
That includes both killed in action and wounded, Kahl said. It is unclear how many casualties Ukraine has suffered in the fighting because it does not report totals, but an aide to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has told western media that losses could top 200 per day.

Putin had intended to topple the Ukraine independent government in Kyiv within days of the Feb. 24 invasion and install a friendly regime, but instead encountered growing resistance as the U.S. and other nations have armed Ukrainian fighters with increasingly effective weapons, from shoulder-fired missiles to drones to advanced artillery systems.
Russia has guarded its losses in Ukraine. Its defense ministry stopped reporting Ukraine military casualties in March and the country began requiring next of kin to apply for compensation benefits at military offices rather than with civilian services to obscure the troop deaths, according to Reuters. But Dmitry Peskov, Putin’s press secretary, told the UK media in April that Russia was suffering “significant losses of troops.”
The Russians have made incremental gains in the past couple of weeks amid intense fighting fueled by the flow of foreign weapons, Kahl said. That fighting has centered around the Donbas, a region where Russian-backed forces have been fighting Kyiv since Putin suddenly annexed Ukraine's Crimea peninsula in 2014.
"That [Russian casualty] number might be a little lower, a little higher, but I think that's kind of in the ballpark, which is pretty remarkable considering that the Russians have achieved none of Vladimir Putin's objectives at the beginning of the war," he said.

On Monday, the U.S. was preparing another weapons shipment to Ukraine worth $1 billion -- its 18th shipment since the invasion. The newest package, authorized by President Joe Biden, includes more ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, or HIMARS; 75,000 rounds of 155 millimeter artillery ammunition; 20 mortar systems and 20,000 rounds of mortar ammunition; and munitions for National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems, or NASAMS.
The Ukrainians will also be getting 1,000 more Javelin anti-tank missiles, armored medical vehicles, anti-personnel mines and medical supplies.
The bloody war appears likely to continue as the weapons pour in and Russia remains resolute. The Atlantic Council think tank noted last week that U.S. officials have been privately using an estimate of about 75,000 Russian casualties for weeks -- a number believed to be growing.

But the losses do not seem to have weakened public support for the war inside Russia, according to Peter Dickinson, the editor of the think tank's UkraineAlert. Recent polling inside the country found 76% of Russians support the war and is a "wake-up call" for those who hoped Putin would suffer public backlash for starting the conflict.
"On the contrary, it appears that the vast majority of Russians have acclimatized to the new wartime reality despite the worsening economic climate in their own country and mounting revelations of war crimes being committed in their name across the border in Ukraine," Dickinson wrote.
-- Travis Tritten can be reached at travis.tritten@military.com. Follow him on Twitter @Travis_Tritten.

 

jward

passin' thru
hmm. he's always had the case for war with the US, but is he actually going to act upon it??? I thought we were wrapping this engagement up by Christmas and moving the global dismantling and destruction party on to other spheres. . .:: shrug ::

Putin Finds Scapegoat in U.S. HIMARS, Builds Case for War With West
Katherine Fung


Russian President Vladimir Putin has worked for months to build his case that the U.S. is fighting a "proxy war" in Ukraine, and now Moscow is saying the U.S.-made HIMARS rocket systems prove its point.
The long-range systems, which have better precision and a faster firing rate than Ukraine's dated artillery, have boosted its efforts and limited Russia's military advances. But as Ukraine touts the success of the weapon, experts say that has inadvertently bolstered Putin's propaganda among the Russian people and given the leader a scapegoat for Russia's failures on the battlefield.

Brian Taylor, a professor of Russian politics at Syracuse University, told Newsweek that Putin has used the success of HIMARS (an acronym for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems) to accuse the U.S. of being directly involved in the Ukraine war. This is part of his strategy to tap into a "deep-seated" domestic narrative that Russia is at war not just with Ukraine but with the West as well, Taylor said.
Responding to comments from Ukrainian intelligence officials about the sharing of information between the U.S. and Ukraine, Russia's Ministry of Defense said last week, "All this undeniably proves that Washington, contrary to White House and Pentagon claims, is directly involved in the conflict in Ukraine."
The ministry added, "It is the Biden administration that is directly responsible for all rocket attacks approved by Kyiv on residential areas and civilian infrastructure facilities in settlements of Donbas and other regions that have caused mass death of civilians."

Experts say the U.S.-supplied HIMARS rocket systems have bolstered Russian President Vladimir Putin's propaganda and given him a scapegoat for Russia's failures on the battlefield in Ukraine. Above, Putin during a press conference on June 29 in Ashgabat, Turkmenistan. Getty Images
The Pentagon has delivered a dozen of the rocket systems to Ukrainian forces, and an additional four are on the way. The weapon has been widely praised by top Ukrainian officials. On Monday, the mayor of the southeastern city of Melitopol said that Russia is "no longer able to resist HIMARS" in an announcement that said more than 100 Russian soldiers were killed by attacks involving the rocket systems.

"Since HIMARS started working in Ukraine, in Melitopol, we've destroyed many Russian positions," he told Newsweek.
Michael Kimmage, a former member of the U.S. secretary of state's policy planning staff, said that it's not "that far from the truth" to say the U.S. is directly involved in the war. Along with the sophisticated weaponry provided by the U.S., which has been credited with helping to turn the tide in the conflict, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin's remark that the goal of U.S. policy is to weaken Russia by helping Ukraine could easily be ready by Moscow as "forward-leaning," Kimmage told Newsweek.
He added that providing HIMARS to Ukraine not only advances the message that the war is Russia versus the West; it also helps Putin build the case that Russia was pushed into the conflict by Western powers. "That Russia was left no option and that the West uses Ukraine, as it historically has, according to Putin, to weaken Russia," Kimmage said.
Newsweek reached out to the U.S. Defense Department for comment.
As Putin uses the effectiveness of American weaponry to justify his invasion, he has also relied on it to explain the strength of the Ukrainians' resistance.

Kimmage said that the more Russia points an accusatory finger at Washington, the easier it is for Putin to excuse why his troops have not won the war as swiftly as he had anticipated. Because he has said that Ukraine is not a real country, doing poorly in its war against such an allegedly weak nation is difficult for him to defend. So positioning Russia "toe to toe with the world's preeminent superpower" gives the Russian leader a way to explain why the conflict has gone the way it has, with less embarrassment, Kimmage said.
And as much as Putin wants to present the "Western boogeyman" narrative, the Russian public is ready to hear it, said Yuri Zhukov, an associate political science professor at the University of Michigan.
"It is far easier to believe that things aren't going well because of U.S. meddling rather than because of Ukrainian resolve," he said.

Lawrence Reardon, a professor of political science at the University of New Hampshire, said that despite Putin's messaging, complaints like those about HIMARS are proof that "Russian forces are now suffering."
"The Ukrainian government and military have a highly sophisticated understanding of Russian military tactics and have demonstrated an exceptional capability of engaging the invaders," Reardon said.

 

jward

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Anti-Radiation Missiles Sent To Ukraine, U.S. Confirms
Joseph Trevithick​

Colin Kahl, U.S. Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, confirmed today that American authorities have transferred unspecified "anti-radiation missiles" to the Ukrainian armed forces that they can launch from at least some of their existing aircraft. Though Kahl did not say what type of missiles had been passed to the Ukrainians, his remarks follow the emergence of pictures on social media showing the apparent remains of an AGM-88 High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile (HARM) said to have been fired at a Russian position. You can read more about what we know already about the potential use of AGM-88s in Ukraine in this recent War Zone report.
Anti-radiation missiles (ARMs) home in on enemy radio frequency emissions, primarily from radar arrays belonging to enemy air defense systems, and destroy or disable them.

Kahl made his comments at a press briefing today where he announced a new U.S. military aid package for the Ukrainian armed forces, which could ultimately have a value of up to $1 billion. This particular aid package includes additional Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System (GMLRS) rockets for use in U.S.-supplied High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS), unspecified munitions to go along with National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS) American authorities are providing, additional Javelin anti-tank missiles, and more.
It does not include any combat jets, something that has been a hot-button issue in Ukraine and the United States, and elsewhere, for months now. Kahl responded to questions about possible future transfers of aircraft to Ukraine, in part, by saying the following:
Kahl did not name the missiles, but his remarks come right after the emergence of apparent evidence of the use of an AGM-88 missile in Ukraine, as The War Zone reported on in detail yesterday.
The Undersecretary of Defense also specifically said that the missiles had been part of previous PDA packages. President Joe Biden can only exercise this so-called "drawdown authority," which you can read more about here, to transfer items already in U.S. inventory. HARMs, including older models no longer in active service, would definitely be eligible for transfer to Ukraine through a drawdown authorized by President Biden.

If the U.S. government has indeed transferred AGM-88s to Ukraine, and these are capable of being fired from some of the country's existing aircraft as Kahl indicated, rather than some kind of ground-based launcher, questions still remain as to what aircraft are able to fire these missiles and when and how that integration work was carried out. The War Zone's Tyler Rogoway explained previously how this might be achieved:
"Air launch is ideal for the AGM-88 as it provides for far better kinetic performance (longer range and speed). It also allows for a far better, elevated sensing position to organically detect the presence and general direction, or even geolocation, of a threat emitter. The AGM-88 could work with relatively minimal integration, potentially leveraging a federated interface, such as e-tablet, for very basic functionality. Ukraine's fighters are Soviet-era machines and totally lack the right interfaces, including the basic bus architecture, for modern NATO-compatible weaponry. But it's possible a relatively crude modification could have been adapted for this single weapon. There is also the possibility of a clandestine transfer of Soviet-era aircraft from NATO states that have been upgraded with NATO-standard bus architecture and adaptable avionics that could provide an interface for the HARM."

A F/A-18 Hornet fires a HARM derivative during a test. (Northrop Grumman)
Other missiles in U.S. inventory could potentially have been adapted to the anti-radiation role, too. However, this seems less likely, given that there are existing stockpiles of AGM-88s, a type that is also still in active production, all of which would mean that it would be easier to sustain deliveries of these weapons to Ukraine.
There is another possibility that Kahl could be referring to Soviet-era missiles, such as the Kh-31 or Kh-58, that are already compatible with certain Ukrainian aircraft. The U.S. military or Intelligence Community could have had some number of Kh-31s or similar missiles, acquired as part of so-called "Foreign Materiel Exploitation" (FME) efforts or through other means, that it then transferred to the Ukrainain Air Force. The U.S. government is known to have already sent Soviet and Russian-made Mi-17 helicopters, weapon systems, and other equipment to Ukraine from its FME stockpiles and other sources. Again, however, this seems much less likely given the other available evidence.
An inert Kh-31-series missile on display loaded onto an Su-27 Flanker-series fighter jet at the 2003 MAKS airshow in Russia. Panther via Wikimedia
It's worth noting that, during the thaw in U.S.-Russian relations following the collapse of the Soviet Union, in the 1990s, McDonnell Douglas (and later Boeing) did work with Russian firm Zveda-Strela to develop a derivative of the Kh-31 for U.S. military use high-speed targets, as you can read more about here. It's unclear whether or not there are any of those MA-31 aerial targets are still in U.S. inventory. Regardless, they would have to be adapted to the anti-radiation missile application even if they were.

We have reached out to the Pentagon for more information about these anti-radiation missiles for Ukraine and will update this story as more information becomes available.
Contact the author: joe@thedrive.com
 

jward

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Samuel Ramani
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BREAKING: The Pentagon confirms that the U.S. has sent HARM high-speed anti-radar missiles to Ukraine
These missiles will be especially helpful for the Ukrainian Air Force to avoid detection by S-400s. As North Macedonia and Slovakia's prospective fighter jet deliveries to Ukraine are uncertain, this is an important boost for the Ukrainian military

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JoanD777

Senior Member
We just keep on getting in deeper and deeper. Our government really must want World War III. The Russians probably know that it is most likely Americans operating the HIMARs since it takes many months for even Americans to learn how to use them. This HARM missile which is usually fired from aircraft brings up the question of who fired it.
 
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