didn't happen. no sirens today at all.
ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread
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didn't happen. no sirens today at all.
naegling62
Veteran Member
Russia was just handed it's worst case scenario. Things aren't going well in UKR, NATO appears to be galvanized, they just gained two new threats and one more hostile border, and the stans didn't back down in todays meeting. Time to sit back and regroup.
danielboon
TB Fanatic
Thank you for clarification that is great to hear
Its like that time, during the divorce, when your lawyer calls and says "She wants the house"
And your first reaction is "No F#ing way"
And then he explains "if she gets the house, then she also gets the mortgage"
And you think "sometimes the worst thing you can do to someone is give them what they want"
Its like that.
If Sweden and Finland become part of NATO, then The EU and US have to provide men and equipment to defend them as well as billions in financial aid. And fuel for their power plants. Maybe we will even pay their salaries and pensions.
The Twitter is gone. What did it say?
jward
passin' thru
Francis Scarr
@francis_scarr
In an extremely rare moment of candour on Russian state TV today, defence columnist Mikhail Khodaryonok gave a damning assessment of Russia's war in Ukraine and his country's international isolation. It's fairly long but worth your time so I've added subtitles.
View: https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1526293852704890882?s=20&t=QWni_y0X1TWikZuOIMR1hg
@francis_scarr
In an extremely rare moment of candour on Russian state TV today, defence columnist Mikhail Khodaryonok gave a damning assessment of Russia's war in Ukraine and his country's international isolation. It's fairly long but worth your time so I've added subtitles.
View: https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1526293852704890882?s=20&t=QWni_y0X1TWikZuOIMR1hg
More likely, the Swedes and Finns will tie their IADS into the NATO grid and have Saab/Bofors/Valmet/EADS cook up some ballistic and cruise missiles to make things more expensive than it's worth for Moscow.
jward
passin' thru
Jonathan Beale
@bealejonathan
Breaking : Western military source says #Putin taking military decisions in #Ukraine️ - inc deciding troop movements in Donbas :”we think Putin and Garasimov are involved in tactical decision making at a level we would normally expect to be taken by a colonel or brigadier”
3:15 PM · May 16, 2022·Twitter for iPhone
@bealejonathan
Breaking : Western military source says #Putin taking military decisions in #Ukraine️ - inc deciding troop movements in Donbas :”we think Putin and Garasimov are involved in tactical decision making at a level we would normally expect to be taken by a colonel or brigadier”
3:15 PM · May 16, 2022·Twitter for iPhone
jward
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spook
@spook_info
U.S. believes that Russia fired a half-dozen missiles toward Yavoriv Military Base in the past 24 hours, likely from a submarine in the Black Sea. This is base where the US was training Ukrainians prewar and currently operates as a logistics hub for western support. -Pentagon
@spook_info
U.S. believes that Russia fired a half-dozen missiles toward Yavoriv Military Base in the past 24 hours, likely from a submarine in the Black Sea. This is base where the US was training Ukrainians prewar and currently operates as a logistics hub for western support. -Pentagon
tweet is gone now
danielboon
TB Fanatic
The Russians had bombed Lviv oreally debunked it
That's not a good sign if true....
jward
passin' thru
With enough finesse it's a win-win for Turkey; a nice pocketful o' 'carrots' from the west, and some good will from RU.
..not being a squeaky wheel here would, in effect, leave "$$$" on the table
..not being a squeaky wheel here would, in effect, leave "$$$" on the table
jward
passin' thru
Russian failures fuelled by Vladimir Putin’s meddling
The president and General Valery Gerasimov are accused of dictating basic troop movements
Larisa Brown
, Defence Editor
Monday May 16 2022, 9.30pm, The Times
A source compared the micromanagement of President Putin and General Valery Gerasimov to that of the founder of Amazon, noting that “Jeff Bezos doesn’t deliver your parcels”
SPUTNIK/ALEXEI DRUZHININ/KREMLIN
President Putin is making low-level tactical decisions that would normally be decided by an officer in charge of as few as 700 Russian troops, western military sources say.
A military source said that Putin and General Valery Gerasimov, chief of the general staff, were dictating basic movements of their forces in Ukraine.
“We think Putin and Gerasimov are involved in tactical decision-making at a level we would normally expect to be taken by a colonel or a brigadier”, the source said.
President Putin with his defence minister, Sergei Shoigu, left, and Oleg Salyukov, the commander in chief of Russian ground forces at the Victory Day parade in Moscow last week
YUAN XINFANG/XINHUA/ALAMY LIVE NEWS
He added that it was believed Putin’s most senior general was still “up and running” despite claims that he had been suspended after military failures.
A second military source said that in the Russian military, a colonel or brigadier would normally command the equivalent of two battalion tactical groups (BTGs), each comprising approximately 900 personnel. However, the source said that the Russian BTGs had been “battered” and that “if Putin is doing the job of a brigade commander . . . he could be delving into a force that could be as small as 700 to 1,000 soldiers”.
He compared the situation to the founder of Amazon: “Jeff Bezos doesn’t deliver your parcels, he makes strategy decisions.”
Western sources believe that Putin’s micromanagement of the war could be contributing to the military failures in the Donbas region, where Russian troops are failing to take cities.
Putin, a former KGB officer, revealed several years ago that he commanded an artillery battalion during the Soviet era. “I received the rank of lieutenant as an artilleryman, as the commander of a howitzer artillery battalion . . . 122mm [calibre],” he said during a visit to Peter and Paul Fortress in St Petersburg, according to video posted by the Kremlin.
Admiral Sir Tony Radakin, head of Britain’s armed forces, said in parliament yesterday that Ukraine was winning the war against Russia because it was an “existential fight for its nation”. He said he believed that the survival of the Kyiv administration was guaranteed.
Igor Girkin, also known as Igor Strelkov, a former FSB agent who orchestrated the annexation of Crimea in 2014, said in comments circulated on social media that Russia’s operation in Donbas had failed. “In more than two weeks of fierce hostilities, only tactical successes have been reached,” he wrote.
The president and General Valery Gerasimov are accused of dictating basic troop movements
Larisa Brown
, Defence Editor
Monday May 16 2022, 9.30pm, The Times
A source compared the micromanagement of President Putin and General Valery Gerasimov to that of the founder of Amazon, noting that “Jeff Bezos doesn’t deliver your parcels”
SPUTNIK/ALEXEI DRUZHININ/KREMLIN
President Putin is making low-level tactical decisions that would normally be decided by an officer in charge of as few as 700 Russian troops, western military sources say.
A military source said that Putin and General Valery Gerasimov, chief of the general staff, were dictating basic movements of their forces in Ukraine.
“We think Putin and Gerasimov are involved in tactical decision-making at a level we would normally expect to be taken by a colonel or a brigadier”, the source said.
President Putin with his defence minister, Sergei Shoigu, left, and Oleg Salyukov, the commander in chief of Russian ground forces at the Victory Day parade in Moscow last week
YUAN XINFANG/XINHUA/ALAMY LIVE NEWS
He added that it was believed Putin’s most senior general was still “up and running” despite claims that he had been suspended after military failures.
A second military source said that in the Russian military, a colonel or brigadier would normally command the equivalent of two battalion tactical groups (BTGs), each comprising approximately 900 personnel. However, the source said that the Russian BTGs had been “battered” and that “if Putin is doing the job of a brigade commander . . . he could be delving into a force that could be as small as 700 to 1,000 soldiers”.
He compared the situation to the founder of Amazon: “Jeff Bezos doesn’t deliver your parcels, he makes strategy decisions.”
Western sources believe that Putin’s micromanagement of the war could be contributing to the military failures in the Donbas region, where Russian troops are failing to take cities.
Putin, a former KGB officer, revealed several years ago that he commanded an artillery battalion during the Soviet era. “I received the rank of lieutenant as an artilleryman, as the commander of a howitzer artillery battalion . . . 122mm [calibre],” he said during a visit to Peter and Paul Fortress in St Petersburg, according to video posted by the Kremlin.
Admiral Sir Tony Radakin, head of Britain’s armed forces, said in parliament yesterday that Ukraine was winning the war against Russia because it was an “existential fight for its nation”. He said he believed that the survival of the Kyiv administration was guaranteed.
Igor Girkin, also known as Igor Strelkov, a former FSB agent who orchestrated the annexation of Crimea in 2014, said in comments circulated on social media that Russia’s operation in Donbas had failed. “In more than two weeks of fierce hostilities, only tactical successes have been reached,” he wrote.
jward
passin' thru
...in totally unrelated news...
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JUST IN - U.S. Air Force says it successfully test-fired a hypersonic weapon from a B-52 bomber off the Southern California coast.
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JUST IN - U.S. Air Force says it successfully test-fired a hypersonic weapon from a B-52 bomber off the Southern California coast.
jward
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Samuel Ramani
@SamRamani2
57m
BREAKING: Ukraine confirms the evacuation of 266 servicemen from Mariupol's Azovstal steel facility
More details here including remarks from Zelensky on the situation in Mariupol
View: https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1526344978783514624?s=20&t=Zmn18S-KVDo_DlPxRwQZtw
While I never liked Erdogan, I never thought he was stupid either I guess.With enough finesse it's a win-win for Turkey; a nice pocketful o' 'carrots' from the west, and some good will from RU.
..not being a squeaky wheel here would, in effect, leave "$$$" on the table
jed turtle
a brother in the Lord
Sometimes, I have noticed, if you want it done right you just have to do it yourself...
Hitler did the same thing IIRC.Russian failures fuelled by Vladimir Putin’s meddling
The president and General Valery Gerasimov are accused of dictating basic troop movements
Larisa Brown
, Defence Editor
Monday May 16 2022, 9.30pm, The Times
A source compared the micromanagement of President Putin and General Valery Gerasimov to that of the founder of Amazon, noting that “Jeff Bezos doesn’t deliver your parcels”
SPUTNIK/ALEXEI DRUZHININ/KREMLIN
President Putin is making low-level tactical decisions that would normally be decided by an officer in charge of as few as 700 Russian troops, western military sources say.
A military source said that Putin and General Valery Gerasimov, chief of the general staff, were dictating basic movements of their forces in Ukraine.
“We think Putin and Gerasimov are involved in tactical decision-making at a level we would normally expect to be taken by a colonel or a brigadier”, the source said.
President Putin with his defence minister, Sergei Shoigu, left, and Oleg Salyukov, the commander in chief of Russian ground forces at the Victory Day parade in Moscow last week
YUAN XINFANG/XINHUA/ALAMY LIVE NEWS
He added that it was believed Putin’s most senior general was still “up and running” despite claims that he had been suspended after military failures.
A second military source said that in the Russian military, a colonel or brigadier would normally command the equivalent of two battalion tactical groups (BTGs), each comprising approximately 900 personnel. However, the source said that the Russian BTGs had been “battered” and that “if Putin is doing the job of a brigade commander . . . he could be delving into a force that could be as small as 700 to 1,000 soldiers”.
He compared the situation to the founder of Amazon: “Jeff Bezos doesn’t deliver your parcels, he makes strategy decisions.”
Western sources believe that Putin’s micromanagement of the war could be contributing to the military failures in the Donbas region, where Russian troops are failing to take cities.
Putin, a former KGB officer, revealed several years ago that he commanded an artillery battalion during the Soviet era. “I received the rank of lieutenant as an artilleryman, as the commander of a howitzer artillery battalion . . . 122mm [calibre],” he said during a visit to Peter and Paul Fortress in St Petersburg, according to video posted by the Kremlin.
Admiral Sir Tony Radakin, head of Britain’s armed forces, said in parliament yesterday that Ukraine was winning the war against Russia because it was an “existential fight for its nation”. He said he believed that the survival of the Kyiv administration was guaranteed.
Igor Girkin, also known as Igor Strelkov, a former FSB agent who orchestrated the annexation of Crimea in 2014, said in comments circulated on social media that Russia’s operation in Donbas had failed. “In more than two weeks of fierce hostilities, only tactical successes have been reached,” he wrote.
The problem is trying to figure if a political leader is stupid or greedy. Hitler and the Wehrmacht was unbeatable until they opened the Russia front. Erdogan has been trying to rebuild Turkey as the new muslim power and rebuild his empire just as Putin has been trying to rebuild the Russian empire.
The pieces are still moving on the board but miscue’s are starting to pile up for both empire builders.
Vegas321
Live free and survive
So did LBJ... Putin taking a HUGE risk domestically.
AlfaMan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Sounds like Johnson micromanaging Vietnam from the white House. We all know how well that worked out....
AlfaMan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Probably dug up a D 21 from some museum and shot it off. You do know the sr 71's in us museums are cocooned like they were at Davis monthan/MASDC, don't you?...in totally unrelated news...
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WTSR
Veteran Member
There are 2227 fighters in Azovstal supposedly preparing to surrender, Kiev is trying to figure out how to sell it has a victory.
Masno
⚡️“Azov” surrendered in Mariupol. Quote from Azov commander Prokopenko: The defenders of Mariupol carried out the order, despite all the difficulties, for 82 days they pulled the superior enemy forces towards themselves and gave the Ukrainian army the opportunity to regroup, train more...
t.me
Same here. I suspect they're more of a propaganda-balancing effort than a real combat critical mass threat.
They massaged that message for all it was worth, didn't they?
There are 2227 fighters in Azovstal supposedly preparing to surrender, Kiev is trying to figure out how to sell it has a victory.
Masno
⚡️“Azov” surrendered in Mariupol. Quote from Azov commander Prokopenko: The defenders of Mariupol carried out the order, despite all the difficulties, for 82 days they pulled the superior enemy forces towards themselves and gave the Ukrainian army the opportunity to regroup, train more...
If they really wanted to send a message, they'd wave handfuls of rubles in front of the cameras and ask, "Any of you good ol' boys been paid yet? We have. And we eat good, have good bunks and hot showers."
jward
passin' thru
von Koehler
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Russian failures fuelled by Vladimir Putin’s meddling
The president and General Valery Gerasimov are accused of dictating basic troop movements
Larisa Brown
, Defence Editor
Monday May 16 2022, 9.30pm, The Times
A source compared the micromanagement of President Putin and General Valery Gerasimov to that of the founder of Amazon, noting that “Jeff Bezos doesn’t deliver your parcels”
SPUTNIK/ALEXEI DRUZHININ/KREMLIN
President Putin is making low-level tactical decisions that would normally be decided by an officer in charge of as few as 700 Russian troops, western military sources say.
A military source said that Putin and General Valery Gerasimov, chief of the general staff, were dictating basic movements of their forces in Ukraine.
“We think Putin and Gerasimov are involved in tactical decision-making at a level we would normally expect to be taken by a colonel or a brigadier”, the source said.
President Putin with his defence minister, Sergei Shoigu, left, and Oleg Salyukov, the commander in chief of Russian ground forces at the Victory Day parade in Moscow last week
YUAN XINFANG/XINHUA/ALAMY LIVE NEWS
He added that it was believed Putin’s most senior general was still “up and running” despite claims that he had been suspended after military failures.
A second military source said that in the Russian military, a colonel or brigadier would normally command the equivalent of two battalion tactical groups (BTGs), each comprising approximately 900 personnel. However, the source said that the Russian BTGs had been “battered” and that “if Putin is doing the job of a brigade commander . . . he could be delving into a force that could be as small as 700 to 1,000 soldiers”.
He compared the situation to the founder of Amazon: “Jeff Bezos doesn’t deliver your parcels, he makes strategy decisions.”
Western sources believe that Putin’s micromanagement of the war could be contributing to the military failures in the Donbas region, where Russian troops are failing to take cities.
Putin, a former KGB officer, revealed several years ago that he commanded an artillery battalion during the Soviet era. “I received the rank of lieutenant as an artilleryman, as the commander of a howitzer artillery battalion . . . 122mm [calibre],” he said during a visit to Peter and Paul Fortress in St Petersburg, according to video posted by the Kremlin.
Admiral Sir Tony Radakin, head of Britain’s armed forces, said in parliament yesterday that Ukraine was winning the war against Russia because it was an “existential fight for its nation”. He said he believed that the survival of the Kyiv administration was guaranteed.
Igor Girkin, also known as Igor Strelkov, a former FSB agent who orchestrated the annexation of Crimea in 2014, said in comments circulated on social media that Russia’s operation in Donbas had failed. “In more than two weeks of fierce hostilities, only tactical successes have been reached,” he wrote.
Der Führer made the exact same mistake.
Distrustful of his generals, he micro managed the troop movements.
jward
passin' thru
Some like to point out that TBF Nikolayevich & Nicholas II belong on the list too-
jward
passin' thru
Hmm. The ? Keeps some of us up at night eh
Jason “Storm” Nelson
@Storm4Congress
2h
Are we playing Thermonuclear chicken w/terminally ill world leaders? Xi? Putin? Biden?
Jason “Storm” Nelson
@Storm4Congress
2h
Are we playing Thermonuclear chicken w/terminally ill world leaders? Xi? Putin? Biden?
Just found a good information source from someone living in the Donbass. I just began reading some of his (Russell Bentley's) articles in his online magazine and so far I like the cut of his jib:
Posted for fair use and all that stuff:
Western Media Engages in a War on Truth - CovertAction Magazine
[Source: dailysabah.com]
Yellow Journalism of the Hearst Era Is Alive and Well in the 21st Century
There is a wise old maxim that says, “The first step on the road to wisdom is to call things by their right names.” So, let’s do that.
“Fake News” has been around a long while: The New York Sun’s “Great Moon Hoax” of 1835 is a good (and amusing) example. An absolute falsehood and fantasy was published as fact to a credulous public who ate it up.
The Sun claimed that life existed on the Moon.
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Fake news story about life supposedly existing on the Moon published in the New York Sun. [Source:todaynychistory.blogspot.com]
This fake news story established the Sun as a major and highly profitable newspaper throughout the United States. Fifty years later, Hearst and Pulitzer were competing with each other for readership by publishing preposterous and sensationalist phony stories that became known as “yellow journalism” or, as I simply call it, “urinalism.” Because the media that publish such swill, and the hacks who write for them, are fit only for cleaning toilets. But those carefree days are long in the past, and fake news is no longer funny.
The practice of publishing false stories for financial or political motives has probably been around much longer than that, but today it has been elevated to a science and an art form, a black art form, that is truly one of the greatest threats to the future of Humanity in the world today. It is mass brainwashing on a global scale, abetted by science and technology, a war on human consciousness, a concentrated and deliberate attack on people’s ability to see reality and to discern fact from lies. It is a war against the truth.
It has been correctly said that a respect for the truth is the basis for all morality, so a war against the truth is a war against morality, against all that is good and decent. Without an ability to see reality and detect lies, without a moral compass, people are literally no more than dumb beasts, mules to be worked and exploited by their owners, or sheep to be led to the slaughter. “Fake news” is a term a bit too cute and cozy for the black art of intentionally erasing the very intellect and morality that makes us human. It seeks to dumb down and degrade Humanity to the point where people are no longer human. And that point is fast approaching and, for many, is already here.
I want to give three concrete and irrefutable examples of genuine Nazi propaganda, produced by the West (U.S. and EU), about the war in Ukraine in just the last month, which not only attempt to cover up the crime of intentional mass murder attacks on civilians, but go further still and attempt to blame the actual victims for the crimes of U.S., EU and Ukrainian Nazis. You will see by these three indisputable examples how disinformation is used as a truly evil weapon, how to defend against it, and how to destroy it with the truth.
Example #1 La Stampa (Italy) FRONT PAGE PHOTO – “THE CARNAGE”
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The Italian newspaper La Stampa published the photo above on March 15, 2022, showing a horrific scene of mass murder of civilians by illegal cluster munitions delivered to a city center by a ballistic missile. Some 24 civilians (including an entire family with two kids) were murdered, and dozens more gravely injured.
The headlines in red across the top—“Russia kills 400 in Mariupol, Kiev prepares for Russian attack.”
Emblazoned across the photo, “The Carnage.” The photo is real, and while the headlines are intentionally misleading, they are not outright lies. They do not have to be. The liars at La Stampa do not have to actually lie; most Europeans, like most U.S. citizens, lead busy lives, don’t look beyond the headlines, and are easily deceived by nothing more than insinuations. And propagandists like those at La Stampa know it.
I could tell you that the photo actually shows the results of a Ukrainian Army war crime by a Tochka-U missile that was intentionally launched at Donetsk city center around 12:00 noon on Monday, March 14th, that in fact it was intended to kill many times more than the 24 civilians who were murdered.
La Stampa misled its readers by failing to report on the right city where the attacks were launched—a city, Donetsk, that Ukraine, and not Russia, has been shelling for eight years.
I could tell you that the weekend before, fake Ukrop (Ukrainian Association of patriots) troll accounts on Russian and other social media spread false stories that the Democratic People’s Republic (DPR) administration would be giving news about the status of DPR soldiers at 12:30 on March 14th at the Administration Building in central Donetsk, and wives, mothers, daughters of soldiers should come there then.
This message was also sent by text message to specific phones of female family members of soldiers by spoofed DPR Administration accounts. I can confirm it, the daughter of one of my friends serving at the Front showed me the exact message on her phone.
I could tell you that the missile was intercepted by DPR air defense, and only two cannisters of cluster bomb sub-munitions actually detonated when they hit about 500 meters from the Administration Building, on University Avenue in central Donetsk and, had the missile reached its target, the death toll would have been in the hundreds.
Maybe you would believe me, maybe some would not. But I can show you two photos that prove it.
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Russell Bentley standing on the same spot as the grieving husband in the La Stampa photo. [Source: Photo courtesy of Russell Bentley]
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The beret and scarf of the grieving man’s wife. She died here. I took this photo myself. [Photo courtesy of Russell Bentley]
Now what do you think of La Stampa’s work? Not only trying to cover up the intentional mass murder of civilians, but blaming the victims and their defenders for the very crimes of the Nazis that La Stampa and Italy support.
This is a black lie, a damned lie, literally the exact opposite of the truth. And the vast majority of Western citizens lap up these lies.
And FYI, the photographer who took the heart-rending photo La Stampa stole was neither paid nor credited, or even asked permission to use his photo for this Italian version of Nazi propaganda.
Well, you might say, it is an isolated incident, mistakes happen. It is neither isolated nor a mistake. The editors of La Stampa knew exactly where the photo was from and what it showed, and they used it intentionally to lie. And pseudo-journalists do the same thing in the USA.
EXAMPLE #2 NEW YORK POST – “RUSSIA CONTINUES BOMBARDMENT OF UKRAINIAN CITIES”
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Again, but an even more blatant intention to mislead, to lie. The photo, again, is the aftermath of a Ukrainian missile attack on a civilian residential area of Donetsk, not far from my home in Petrovsky District.
Another terrorist attack by Ukrop Nazis against civilian targets, blamed by U.S. Nazi propagandists on DPR and Russian defenders of the very civilians the Ukrops attacked and murdered.
Can I prove it? Well, yes I can. Here I am, in front of the exact same apartment building, hit by the Ukrop Nazi missiles. An honest headline would read, “Ukraine Continues Bombardment of Donbas Cities.”
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Russell Bentley in front of apartment building in Donetsk where he lives. The apartment was bombed by Ukraine which has been shelling Donetsk for eight years. The New York Post, however, did not specify the city where the building was located and suggested it had been bombed by Russia. [Source: Photo courtesy of Russell Bentley]
But these Nazi propagandists do not stop at simply blaming their victims for their own crimes, that dirty double-cross is not as low as they can go, not by a long shot. They even, in a trans-Atlantic quadruple-cross conspiracy, connive to discredit truthful reports by adding their own logo to honest news and then announcing to the world that the report is not theirs. Behold…
(Walrus nota bene: This story (as many have been) below was debunked long ago by several observers but I'm including this debunking also as it's part of the original article in the online magazine)
Example #3: Kramatorsk Railway Attack
[Source: theguardian.com; bbc.com]
On April 8, 2022, a Tochka-U ballistic missile (same type used in the University Avenue attack in Donetsk, three weeks before) was fired at the Kramatorsk railway station as four thousand local civilians waited to evacuate the city before fighting broke out.
Some 57 civilians were killed and 109 wounded, in another wanton attack that had no military purpose, but fit hand in glove with the usual false-flag terror attacks for which Ukraine has become well known.
The proof was and is overwhelming. There is zero doubt that the missile was a Tochka-U and that it came from Ukrainian-held territory. Ukraine continues to use Tochka-U missiles in the Donbas War while the Donbas Republics have none, and Russia retired the last of theirs years ago, in 2019, in favor of the much more effective and accurate Iskander, which Russia has used in Operation Z.
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[Photo courtesy of Russell Bentley]
Written on the side of the missile, in Russian, were the words “За Детей,” “For The Kids.” How stupid would someone have to be to believe that the Russians would not only commit a war crime against the ethnic Russian-Ukrainian citizens from the pro-Russian part of Ukraine, but would blatantly add insult to injury and literally implicate themselves before the world by writing something so despicable, in Russian, for the world to see?
Furthermore, there are scientific methods of determining the direction a missile came from, including the shape of the crater and where the tail section lands in relation to the warhead. These methods are standard, simple, and used by all militaries around the world. And like the laws of physics, they apply everywhere, and in every situation the same. In the photo below, showing the trajectory of the missile fired at Kramatorsk, everything to the left of the red line is territory under the control of the Ukrainian Army.
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[Source: twitter.com]
For a full listing of all the evidence that proves the missile, S/N Ш91579 was fired by the 19th Ukrainian Missile Brigade, based near Dobropolia, some 45 kilometers from Kramatorsk, see this excellent article by former U.S. Marine officer and UN Weapons Expert Scott Ritter. There are plenty of other articles too, (HERE, HERE, and HERE) listing the proof and indications that it was a Ukrop false-flag attack on their own civilians. Here are some examples:
1 – The “Smell Test.” WHY would Russians attack ethnic Russian civilians in an area known for its broad support of Russia?
2 – The fake “For The Kids” inscription would be the LAST thing Russians would ever do. Rocket troops are among the most highly trained and disciplined in any army. If the Russians were going to commit a war crime against civilians, do you really think they would sign their work for the world to see?
3 – The physical evidence proves the trajectory of the missile, and that trajectory points directly to Dobropolia, deep inside Ukrainian-held territory, where the 19th Ukrainian Missile Brigade is based. It is impossible for the Russians to have fired a missile from there.
4 – The Russians retired their aged stock of Tochka-U missiles years ago in favor of the Iskander, which they now use.
5 – The Ukrainians still have and use Tochka-U missiles, and have done so on multiple occasions throughout the eight-year Donbas War.
6 – The serial number (S/N) of the Tochka-U fired at Kramatorsk is in the same series and numerically very close to S/Ns of other Tochka-U missiles also known to have been fired by Ukrainian armed forces during the Donbas War.
7 – The exact S/N found on the missile in Kramatorsk was recorded in official documents as having been transferred from the USSR to Ukraine in 1991.
8 – There is zero evidence that would support any theory other than a Ukrainian false-flag attack on the civilians of Kramatorsk. None.
That is a tough nut for the West’s pro-Nazi propagandists to crack. All the evidence proves they did it, beyond any reasonable doubt, and there is no credible evidence of any sort that would support an alternative theory. So what do they do? Simply make things up, of course, as usual, but with a twist. This time, they make up fake news about themselves, and try to palm it off as Russian-produced “disinfo.”
Thus, we see real, first-person, on-the-scene videos of the real aftermath of the Kramatorsk attack, video of the real S/N, all edited together, but with a fake BBC intro and logo added, and then spread all over the internet with the caption, “Look! The BBC finally told the truth for once!!!”
So the professional liars can subsequently “debunk” the fake “BBC video,” along with all the real facts the actual real videos contain. And then literally all Western propaganda outlets smear the story about the fake video all over the web. The search phrase “BBC fake video missile Kramatorsk” brings back 55,000 links on Google, 24 million on Bing, and a whopping 25 million results on Yahoo.
The Western propagandists claim the Russians added the fake BBC logo, but why would Russia discredit real proof of what happened by adding a fake BBC logo. The BBC has a well-earned reputation as one of the most mendacious media outlets in the world; their lies are legion. So why would Russia discredit itself and its own compelling evidence by adding a fake logo of known propagandists?
Answer—they didn’t.
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Western Media Engages in a War on Truth - CovertAction Magazine
Yellow Journalism of the Hearst Era Is Alive and Well in the 21st Century
There is a wise old maxim that says, “The first step on the road to wisdom is to call things by their right names.” So, let’s do that.
“Fake News” has been around a long while: The New York Sun’s “Great Moon Hoax” of 1835 is a good (and amusing) example. An absolute falsehood and fantasy was published as fact to a credulous public who ate it up.
The Sun claimed that life existed on the Moon.
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Fake news story about life supposedly existing on the Moon published in the New York Sun. [Source:todaynychistory.blogspot.com]
This fake news story established the Sun as a major and highly profitable newspaper throughout the United States. Fifty years later, Hearst and Pulitzer were competing with each other for readership by publishing preposterous and sensationalist phony stories that became known as “yellow journalism” or, as I simply call it, “urinalism.” Because the media that publish such swill, and the hacks who write for them, are fit only for cleaning toilets. But those carefree days are long in the past, and fake news is no longer funny.
The practice of publishing false stories for financial or political motives has probably been around much longer than that, but today it has been elevated to a science and an art form, a black art form, that is truly one of the greatest threats to the future of Humanity in the world today. It is mass brainwashing on a global scale, abetted by science and technology, a war on human consciousness, a concentrated and deliberate attack on people’s ability to see reality and to discern fact from lies. It is a war against the truth.
It has been correctly said that a respect for the truth is the basis for all morality, so a war against the truth is a war against morality, against all that is good and decent. Without an ability to see reality and detect lies, without a moral compass, people are literally no more than dumb beasts, mules to be worked and exploited by their owners, or sheep to be led to the slaughter. “Fake news” is a term a bit too cute and cozy for the black art of intentionally erasing the very intellect and morality that makes us human. It seeks to dumb down and degrade Humanity to the point where people are no longer human. And that point is fast approaching and, for many, is already here.
I want to give three concrete and irrefutable examples of genuine Nazi propaganda, produced by the West (U.S. and EU), about the war in Ukraine in just the last month, which not only attempt to cover up the crime of intentional mass murder attacks on civilians, but go further still and attempt to blame the actual victims for the crimes of U.S., EU and Ukrainian Nazis. You will see by these three indisputable examples how disinformation is used as a truly evil weapon, how to defend against it, and how to destroy it with the truth.
Example #1 La Stampa (Italy) FRONT PAGE PHOTO – “THE CARNAGE”
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The Italian newspaper La Stampa published the photo above on March 15, 2022, showing a horrific scene of mass murder of civilians by illegal cluster munitions delivered to a city center by a ballistic missile. Some 24 civilians (including an entire family with two kids) were murdered, and dozens more gravely injured.
The headlines in red across the top—“Russia kills 400 in Mariupol, Kiev prepares for Russian attack.”
Emblazoned across the photo, “The Carnage.” The photo is real, and while the headlines are intentionally misleading, they are not outright lies. They do not have to be. The liars at La Stampa do not have to actually lie; most Europeans, like most U.S. citizens, lead busy lives, don’t look beyond the headlines, and are easily deceived by nothing more than insinuations. And propagandists like those at La Stampa know it.
I could tell you that the photo actually shows the results of a Ukrainian Army war crime by a Tochka-U missile that was intentionally launched at Donetsk city center around 12:00 noon on Monday, March 14th, that in fact it was intended to kill many times more than the 24 civilians who were murdered.
La Stampa misled its readers by failing to report on the right city where the attacks were launched—a city, Donetsk, that Ukraine, and not Russia, has been shelling for eight years.
I could tell you that the weekend before, fake Ukrop (Ukrainian Association of patriots) troll accounts on Russian and other social media spread false stories that the Democratic People’s Republic (DPR) administration would be giving news about the status of DPR soldiers at 12:30 on March 14th at the Administration Building in central Donetsk, and wives, mothers, daughters of soldiers should come there then.
This message was also sent by text message to specific phones of female family members of soldiers by spoofed DPR Administration accounts. I can confirm it, the daughter of one of my friends serving at the Front showed me the exact message on her phone.
I could tell you that the missile was intercepted by DPR air defense, and only two cannisters of cluster bomb sub-munitions actually detonated when they hit about 500 meters from the Administration Building, on University Avenue in central Donetsk and, had the missile reached its target, the death toll would have been in the hundreds.
Maybe you would believe me, maybe some would not. But I can show you two photos that prove it.
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Russell Bentley standing on the same spot as the grieving husband in the La Stampa photo. [Source: Photo courtesy of Russell Bentley]
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The beret and scarf of the grieving man’s wife. She died here. I took this photo myself. [Photo courtesy of Russell Bentley]
Now what do you think of La Stampa’s work? Not only trying to cover up the intentional mass murder of civilians, but blaming the victims and their defenders for the very crimes of the Nazis that La Stampa and Italy support.
This is a black lie, a damned lie, literally the exact opposite of the truth. And the vast majority of Western citizens lap up these lies.
And FYI, the photographer who took the heart-rending photo La Stampa stole was neither paid nor credited, or even asked permission to use his photo for this Italian version of Nazi propaganda.
Well, you might say, it is an isolated incident, mistakes happen. It is neither isolated nor a mistake. The editors of La Stampa knew exactly where the photo was from and what it showed, and they used it intentionally to lie. And pseudo-journalists do the same thing in the USA.
EXAMPLE #2 NEW YORK POST – “RUSSIA CONTINUES BOMBARDMENT OF UKRAINIAN CITIES”
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Again, but an even more blatant intention to mislead, to lie. The photo, again, is the aftermath of a Ukrainian missile attack on a civilian residential area of Donetsk, not far from my home in Petrovsky District.
Another terrorist attack by Ukrop Nazis against civilian targets, blamed by U.S. Nazi propagandists on DPR and Russian defenders of the very civilians the Ukrops attacked and murdered.
Can I prove it? Well, yes I can. Here I am, in front of the exact same apartment building, hit by the Ukrop Nazi missiles. An honest headline would read, “Ukraine Continues Bombardment of Donbas Cities.”
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Russell Bentley in front of apartment building in Donetsk where he lives. The apartment was bombed by Ukraine which has been shelling Donetsk for eight years. The New York Post, however, did not specify the city where the building was located and suggested it had been bombed by Russia. [Source: Photo courtesy of Russell Bentley]
But these Nazi propagandists do not stop at simply blaming their victims for their own crimes, that dirty double-cross is not as low as they can go, not by a long shot. They even, in a trans-Atlantic quadruple-cross conspiracy, connive to discredit truthful reports by adding their own logo to honest news and then announcing to the world that the report is not theirs. Behold…
(Walrus nota bene: This story (as many have been) below was debunked long ago by several observers but I'm including this debunking also as it's part of the original article in the online magazine)
Example #3: Kramatorsk Railway Attack
[Source: theguardian.com; bbc.com]
On April 8, 2022, a Tochka-U ballistic missile (same type used in the University Avenue attack in Donetsk, three weeks before) was fired at the Kramatorsk railway station as four thousand local civilians waited to evacuate the city before fighting broke out.
Some 57 civilians were killed and 109 wounded, in another wanton attack that had no military purpose, but fit hand in glove with the usual false-flag terror attacks for which Ukraine has become well known.
The proof was and is overwhelming. There is zero doubt that the missile was a Tochka-U and that it came from Ukrainian-held territory. Ukraine continues to use Tochka-U missiles in the Donbas War while the Donbas Republics have none, and Russia retired the last of theirs years ago, in 2019, in favor of the much more effective and accurate Iskander, which Russia has used in Operation Z.
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[Photo courtesy of Russell Bentley]
Written on the side of the missile, in Russian, were the words “За Детей,” “For The Kids.” How stupid would someone have to be to believe that the Russians would not only commit a war crime against the ethnic Russian-Ukrainian citizens from the pro-Russian part of Ukraine, but would blatantly add insult to injury and literally implicate themselves before the world by writing something so despicable, in Russian, for the world to see?
Furthermore, there are scientific methods of determining the direction a missile came from, including the shape of the crater and where the tail section lands in relation to the warhead. These methods are standard, simple, and used by all militaries around the world. And like the laws of physics, they apply everywhere, and in every situation the same. In the photo below, showing the trajectory of the missile fired at Kramatorsk, everything to the left of the red line is territory under the control of the Ukrainian Army.
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For a full listing of all the evidence that proves the missile, S/N Ш91579 was fired by the 19th Ukrainian Missile Brigade, based near Dobropolia, some 45 kilometers from Kramatorsk, see this excellent article by former U.S. Marine officer and UN Weapons Expert Scott Ritter. There are plenty of other articles too, (HERE, HERE, and HERE) listing the proof and indications that it was a Ukrop false-flag attack on their own civilians. Here are some examples:
1 – The “Smell Test.” WHY would Russians attack ethnic Russian civilians in an area known for its broad support of Russia?
2 – The fake “For The Kids” inscription would be the LAST thing Russians would ever do. Rocket troops are among the most highly trained and disciplined in any army. If the Russians were going to commit a war crime against civilians, do you really think they would sign their work for the world to see?
3 – The physical evidence proves the trajectory of the missile, and that trajectory points directly to Dobropolia, deep inside Ukrainian-held territory, where the 19th Ukrainian Missile Brigade is based. It is impossible for the Russians to have fired a missile from there.
4 – The Russians retired their aged stock of Tochka-U missiles years ago in favor of the Iskander, which they now use.
5 – The Ukrainians still have and use Tochka-U missiles, and have done so on multiple occasions throughout the eight-year Donbas War.
6 – The serial number (S/N) of the Tochka-U fired at Kramatorsk is in the same series and numerically very close to S/Ns of other Tochka-U missiles also known to have been fired by Ukrainian armed forces during the Donbas War.
7 – The exact S/N found on the missile in Kramatorsk was recorded in official documents as having been transferred from the USSR to Ukraine in 1991.
8 – There is zero evidence that would support any theory other than a Ukrainian false-flag attack on the civilians of Kramatorsk. None.
That is a tough nut for the West’s pro-Nazi propagandists to crack. All the evidence proves they did it, beyond any reasonable doubt, and there is no credible evidence of any sort that would support an alternative theory. So what do they do? Simply make things up, of course, as usual, but with a twist. This time, they make up fake news about themselves, and try to palm it off as Russian-produced “disinfo.”
Thus, we see real, first-person, on-the-scene videos of the real aftermath of the Kramatorsk attack, video of the real S/N, all edited together, but with a fake BBC intro and logo added, and then spread all over the internet with the caption, “Look! The BBC finally told the truth for once!!!”
So the professional liars can subsequently “debunk” the fake “BBC video,” along with all the real facts the actual real videos contain. And then literally all Western propaganda outlets smear the story about the fake video all over the web. The search phrase “BBC fake video missile Kramatorsk” brings back 55,000 links on Google, 24 million on Bing, and a whopping 25 million results on Yahoo.
The Western propagandists claim the Russians added the fake BBC logo, but why would Russia discredit real proof of what happened by adding a fake BBC logo. The BBC has a well-earned reputation as one of the most mendacious media outlets in the world; their lies are legion. So why would Russia discredit itself and its own compelling evidence by adding a fake logo of known propagandists?
Answer—they didn’t.
part 2
An understanding of the simple fact that modern Western media are the product and descendants of Joseph Goebbels and Ed Bernays is the appropriate foundation for regarding anything Western media presents as fact. Do not expect the BBC to “tell the truth for once;” do not expect paid and pathological liars to tell the truth, even once. Do not expect the leopard to change its spots. Understand they are the enemies of truth and morality, the enemies of Humanity, your enemies, who do everything in their power to deceive and confuse you, in order to enslave you.
Respect for the truth is the basis of all morality. Respect and defend it!
ADDENDUM:
The List of Logical Fallacies is also an excellent primer of modern propaganda techniques. But when used by professional liars—intentionally—they are no longer “fallacies” but, rather, lies, attacks on truth and reality, and on human consciousness.
Fritz Hippler explained the secret of modern propaganda, and he would know. He was the Chief of Filmmaking at the Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda during the years of Nazi Germany. As he put it, “The secret of propaganda is to simplify complex or complicated things, to make them as simple as possible, so even less ingenious men can understand what I mean. And then, repeat it, repeat it, repeat it every day. That’s the secret of modern propaganda—simplify and repetition.” (Click on the link: hear and see him say it himself. He’s very convincing.)
An understanding of the simple fact that modern Western media are the product and descendants of Joseph Goebbels and Ed Bernays is the appropriate foundation for regarding anything Western media presents as fact. Do not expect the BBC to “tell the truth for once;” do not expect paid and pathological liars to tell the truth, even once. Do not expect the leopard to change its spots. Understand they are the enemies of truth and morality, the enemies of Humanity, your enemies, who do everything in their power to deceive and confuse you, in order to enslave you.
Respect for the truth is the basis of all morality. Respect and defend it!
ADDENDUM:
The List of Logical Fallacies is also an excellent primer of modern propaganda techniques. But when used by professional liars—intentionally—they are no longer “fallacies” but, rather, lies, attacks on truth and reality, and on human consciousness.
Fritz Hippler explained the secret of modern propaganda, and he would know. He was the Chief of Filmmaking at the Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda during the years of Nazi Germany. As he put it, “The secret of propaganda is to simplify complex or complicated things, to make them as simple as possible, so even less ingenious men can understand what I mean. And then, repeat it, repeat it, repeat it every day. That’s the secret of modern propaganda—simplify and repetition.” (Click on the link: hear and see him say it himself. He’s very convincing.)
Melodi
Disaster Cat
I realized after sleeping on it that there is actually A THIRD WAY, that Turkey may or may not have realized can "solve" the NATO problem if they simply put up a block and refuse to budge without say having every Kurd in Sweeden returned to Turkey for execution (which Sweden won't do - the Kurds are not really their problem population, if they were, they might consider it).
Anyway, that Third Way is exactly what THE UK JUST DID. They signed a DEFENSE treaty on their own! This was reported but kind of swept quickly under the radar, at least from the mainstream media.
So if Turkey just refuses to let Finland and Sweden (and possibly Switzerland though that is less likely) join NATO, the 29 other countries (or at least the larger ones with real militaries) can simply be encouraged to sign individual or group "Mutual" or simply "Defense" contracts that would be almost identical to NATO membership, probably even with a slightly re-worded article 5.
So what you get is a sort of NATO "lite" (TM) that keeps Turkey in the NATO fold but provides the "protections" for Finland and Sweden (and possibly Switzerland) that most of Europe and the US want them to have.
Turkey might then decide to "bolt on its own" but given everything they would have to lose, I kind of doubt they would at least not right now. Everyone kind of "saves face," and Putin will be just as angry as he would if NATO simply admitted two or three new members.
I also suspect that one reason Putin was suddenly OK with Sweden and Finland joining NATO was he knew Turkey was going to block it and he may not have considered a new treaty of some sort that would do the same thing but with Turkey having a vote.
Anyway, that Third Way is exactly what THE UK JUST DID. They signed a DEFENSE treaty on their own! This was reported but kind of swept quickly under the radar, at least from the mainstream media.
So if Turkey just refuses to let Finland and Sweden (and possibly Switzerland though that is less likely) join NATO, the 29 other countries (or at least the larger ones with real militaries) can simply be encouraged to sign individual or group "Mutual" or simply "Defense" contracts that would be almost identical to NATO membership, probably even with a slightly re-worded article 5.
So what you get is a sort of NATO "lite" (TM) that keeps Turkey in the NATO fold but provides the "protections" for Finland and Sweden (and possibly Switzerland) that most of Europe and the US want them to have.
Turkey might then decide to "bolt on its own" but given everything they would have to lose, I kind of doubt they would at least not right now. Everyone kind of "saves face," and Putin will be just as angry as he would if NATO simply admitted two or three new members.
I also suspect that one reason Putin was suddenly OK with Sweden and Finland joining NATO was he knew Turkey was going to block it and he may not have considered a new treaty of some sort that would do the same thing but with Turkey having a vote.
jward
passin' thru
Ya, I posted that yesterday morning; will be interesting to see just how long Mikhail lives to regret it, eh?
..were i him i would immediately donate all my toasters, and board up my windows
..were i him i would immediately donate all my toasters, and board up my windows