ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

jward

jward

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· May 15
FM #Lavrov: Our goal does not include regime change in Ukraine. This is the specialty of US. We want to ensure safety of people in eastern Ukraine, so that they won’t be threatened by militarisation & nazification and that no threats against Russia emanate from territory.
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jward

jward

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Ragıp Soylu
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NEW: Putin has signalled Russia will tolerate Finland and Sweden joining Nato but warned that the Kremlin would respond if the alliance installed military bases or equipment in either country. Putin said that the proposed Nato enlargement posed “no direct threat for Russia” — FT
 
Melodi

Melodi

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My guess is that Turkey is about to be told (probably not in public) that they are expendable, NATO won't like to expel them but given a choice between protecting two Northern European members of the EU and a difficult member who has nearly gone to war with Greece (another member) at least twice that I can recall, I don't think Turkey will be on the winning side.

I mean the US already had to quickly get their nukes out of a joint airforce base that Turkey tried to take over totally.

I'm sure Turkey is hoping for some sort of "bribe" and they may get one behind the scenes but turn it down and I think they will be told bluntly, change your stance or have fun dealing with Russia and China on your own.

I could be wrong, but that's my hunch.
 
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mecoastie

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Josie said:
Not believing either but so far, Putin hasn't been out begging for more and more. Every time I see Zelensky, he's asking for more. I've come to realize that there is no number on the aid that will ever be enough. Too bad others don't see it too.
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Who would he go begging to? CSTO? They all rely on Russia for mil equipment. China? It is in CHinas best interest to have Russia and the West duking it out. India? India has its own problems.

Southside said:
Let's look all the way back to the Ukraine election of 2012. A Russian Centrist Government was duly elected by the Ukraine people. No one argues that. In 2014, the "Deep State", Georgie Soros, and his band of merry men, fomented a "Color Revolution"(Maiden Revolution) to overthrow the duly elected government, and replace it with the actor Zielnsky. And, here we are today.

Doesn't matter how you look at it, we are not on the right side of this.
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Russia meddled heavily in the Ukrainian elections for decades. I wouldnt call them "duly elected" anymore than you can call our current admin that.
 
Grumphau

Grumphau

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Melodi said:
My guess is that Turkey is about to be told (probably not in public) that they are expendable, NATO won't like to expel them but given a choice between protecting two Northern European members of the EU and a difficult member who has nearly gone to war with Greece (another member) at least twice that I can recall, I don't think Turkey will be on the winning side.

I mean the US already had to quickly get their nukes out of a joint airforce base that Turkey tried to take over totally.

I'm sure Turkey is hoping for some sort of "bribe" and they may get one behind the scenes but turn it down and I think they will be told bluntly, change your stance or have fun dealing with Russia and China on your own.

I could be wrong, but that's my hunch.
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If they are kicked out of NATO, it may push them fully into the Russian sphere.
 
Grumphau

Grumphau

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jward said:
Samuel Ramani
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Russian media says that the US is running out of weapons because it gave away too many to Ukraine Vzglyad: "America's strategic armaments stockpile, prepared in case of a war with a serious adversary, is being depleted, and it will not be possible to replenish them quickly"
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Propaganda -
We are sending mostly light weapons to Ukraine. They are high tech but in the US arsenal they are second line weapons meant to give infantry a capability against armor, not fight an armored horde as they are now in Ukraine. Most Frontline US weapons for fighting a mechanized opponent are untouched. Can Russia say the same?
 
Jez

Jez

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Russia's lack of quick success in Ukraine is being seen as blood in the water and embolding a lot of people. Part of me thinks that this will end badly.
 
Melodi

Melodi

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I know it might send them into the Russian sphere, but they have played the "bad boy" of NATO thing for some time now - frankly, I was pretty surprised they were not removed after the US military joint base mess.

It is more likely they will accept a "bribe" of something else they want than they will be kicked out, but I suspect if they push things too far, the other NATO members will tell them to take a hike. They have already proved several times they might be willing to attack another NATO member, and at some point, there will probably be a break anyway.

The next few weeks should be "interesting" that's for sure.
 
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Walrus

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wait-n-see said:
Turkey will never be kicked out of NATO.

The ME refuge flood from the past years into Europe would look like a light rain shower compared to the flood if a non-NATO Turkey gave refuges full pass thru to Greece and Bulgaria.
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Turkey should've never been invited into NATO but that's water under the bridge. You're right that it won't be booted out; NATO control of the Bosporus Straits (even though it's a tenuous control as it's administered by Turkey's apparent whims and their national interest) is a big deal right now. I expect a flare-up soon with those missile boats being let into the Black Sea.
 
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bobfall2005

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Southside said:
Let's look all the way back to the Ukraine election of 2012. A Russian Centrist Government was duly elected by the Ukraine people. No one argues that. In 2014, the "Deep State", Georgie Soros, and his band of merry men, fomented a "Color Revolution"(Maiden Revolution) to overthrow the duly elected government, and replace it with the actor Zielnsky. And, here we are today.

Doesn't matter how you look at it, we are not on the right side of this.
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Who is this we?
 
tiredude

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kicking turkey out of nato would be a bigger story than russia invading...... you dont get kicked out ......you just dont always get in.......
 
Josie

Josie

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mecoastie said:
Who would he go begging to? CSTO? They all rely on Russia for mil equipment. China? It is in CHinas best interest to have Russia and the West duking it out. India? India has its own problems.
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So, when do we stop sending military aid to a country we have no obligation to support or protect, neither through NATO or through a treaty? The U.S. is over $30 TRILLION in debt and this is money and resources that we can ill afford at this point. The bill will eventually come due. Then what? That which you encourage will continue.

The defense of CONUS should be our first and foremost concern with security, yet there is an invasion happening right now on our southern border and nothing is being done to stem the tide. You remember, the border wall that we were told about 6 years ago that there wasn't money to build. We do have treaties and alliances that we are honor bound to support. That's where our resources should be focused. Like you said, China's best interest is to have Russia and the west (U.S.) duking it out. Then they can go in for the kill (either Tiawan, CONUS, Japan or all three) because all our resources have been spent in Ukraine...a country that supposedly we have no vested interest in other than Russia being the protagonist.
 
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Housecarl

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Josie said:
So, when do we stop sending military aid to a country we have no obligation to support or protect, neither through NATO or through a treaty? The U.S. is over $30 TRILLION in debt and this is money and resources that we can ill afford at this point. The bill will eventually come due. Then what? That which you encourage will continue.

The defense of CONUS should be our first and foremost concern with security, yet there is an invasion happening right now on our southern border and nothing is being done to stem the tide. You remember, the border that we were told about 6 years ago that there wasn't money to build. We do have treaties and alliances that we are honor bound to support. That's where our resources should be focused. Like you said, China's best interest is to have Russia and the west (U.S.) duking it out. Then they can go in for the kill (either Tiawan, CONUS, Japan or all three) because all our resources have been spent in Ukraine...a country that supposedly we have no vested interest in other than Russia being the protagonist.
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At a soon to arrive at point and time things are going to get very sharply and decisively "Realpolitik" and issues between parties are going to get settled in a manner that makes what's going on now look like a kid's cotilion and that includes responding to Beijing's actions.
 
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