ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread
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Well that's definitely not going to go over well inside the Kremlin. Echoes of the Winter War again....
From a website I follow. I concur with their assessment, and I have noticed similar things. Ukraine, as it stands right now, is not the main event. Something else is up...
ETA: I went and looked it up. So far, Russia has not even committed 1/3 of their available combat power to this. So like I said. Somethings up.
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The propaganda has gone SO over the top now that it's a subject in itself.
First of all, Putin is not weak, and Putin is not defeated. Word on the street is that Putin used his junk at first and will pull out the good stuff if NATO attacks. And it seems legit, there were a few good cruise missiles used but most of what got used really was not Russia's best.
I have seen lots of crap about Russian tech being "50 years behind the United States" and it is always from a war monger that probably wants Americans to believe victory will be easy. But even if America's tech is better, it is going to be used by a military that was recently maimed by a death vax. The playing field is probably quite level.
50 years is a lie to boot.Russia's tech would not be "50 years behind America" even if they never updated a Mig 29, which is their 80's plane that's damn near abandoned. Their tech in reality is a mix of "30 years behind" with a nice pile of "15 years behind" all the way up to "Ahead of the United States" when it comes to anti aircraft systems and cruise missiles. Does your 15 year old computer still do the job? With modern warfare systems, I don't think 15 years matters when the tools are in the right hands, 30 years does, but not 15. Lots of America's military stuff in use right now is a mix of the same - some of what America uses is 40 years old too. But it was so far ahead of Russia at that time that 40 years is not a deal breaker.
The bottom line is I don't think Russia's stuff is outdated enough for it to even be a factor. What WILL be a factor is how it gets used and whether or not it can be hacked.
ETA: I went and looked it up. So far, Russia has not even committed 1/3 of their available combat power to this. So like I said. Somethings up.
More war updates
The propaganda has gone SO over the top now that it's a subject in itself.
First of all, Putin is not weak, and Putin is not defeated. Word on the street is that Putin used his junk at first and will pull out the good stuff if NATO attacks. And it seems legit, there were a few good cruise missiles used but most of what got used really was not Russia's best.
I have seen lots of crap about Russian tech being "50 years behind the United States" and it is always from a war monger that probably wants Americans to believe victory will be easy. But even if America's tech is better, it is going to be used by a military that was recently maimed by a death vax. The playing field is probably quite level.
50 years is a lie to boot.Russia's tech would not be "50 years behind America" even if they never updated a Mig 29, which is their 80's plane that's damn near abandoned. Their tech in reality is a mix of "30 years behind" with a nice pile of "15 years behind" all the way up to "Ahead of the United States" when it comes to anti aircraft systems and cruise missiles. Does your 15 year old computer still do the job? With modern warfare systems, I don't think 15 years matters when the tools are in the right hands, 30 years does, but not 15. Lots of America's military stuff in use right now is a mix of the same - some of what America uses is 40 years old too. But it was so far ahead of Russia at that time that 40 years is not a deal breaker.
The bottom line is I don't think Russia's stuff is outdated enough for it to even be a factor. What WILL be a factor is how it gets used and whether or not it can be hacked.
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That "trip line" is laid dependent upon the perception of reality of the holder of the launch codes.
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Normallguy
"just a human bein'"
All these countries sending equipment and weapons from their own reserves cannot be a good thing.
Are these supplies being replaced? How quickly? Who buys? From who?
If it gets bunt up in this war, what is left to defend yourselves in a personal way?
Are these supplies being replaced? How quickly? Who buys? From who?
If it gets bunt up in this war, what is left to defend yourselves in a personal way?
somewherepress
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View: https://twitter.com/alexbward/status/1497929838065238023
BREAKING: Zelenskyy announces on Telegram a meeting between Ukrainian and Russian delegations on the Ukraine-Belarus border. Meeting without preconditions.
View: https://twitter.com/alexbward/status/1497929838065238023
BREAKING: Zelenskyy announces on Telegram a meeting between Ukrainian and Russian delegations on the Ukraine-Belarus border. Meeting without preconditions.
View: https://twitter.com/alexbward/status/1497929838065238023
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Wow!! I knew there was a machine against us, I just never thought about the amount of coordination that went into it.Check out this job on Indeed:
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Literally there is an army of progressives doing this crap.
Not cool in my opinion.
On the other hand, looks like something an opposing blogger could do.
Vegas321
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View: https://twitter.com/alexbward/status/1497929838065238023
BREAKING: Zelenskyy announces on Telegram a meeting between Ukrainian and Russian delegations on the Ukraine-Belarus border. Meeting without preconditions.
View: https://twitter.com/alexbward/status/1497929838065238023
Maybe they can come to their senses...
northern watch
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northern watch
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rob0126
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So the population cant hear their side of the story. How convenient.
somewherepress
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It is noteworthy that the meeting is not at the behest of the US--which attempted to prevent such a meeting-- and that it is being held without preconditions.
wait-n-see
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View: https://twitter.com/alexbward/status/1497929838065238023
BREAKING: Zelenskyy announces on Telegram a meeting between Ukrainian and Russian delegations on the Ukraine-Belarus border. Meeting without preconditions.
View: https://twitter.com/alexbward/status/1497929838065238023
No preconditions demanded by Ukraine despite all the propaganda, oops ... I mean news ..... showing how Ukraine was kicking the crap out of the miserable, poorly equipped and lead, Russian soldiers?
northern watch
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lol, of course! Why let the enemy sow doubt?
Can they find enough truck drivers to move all of that raw fertilizer though?....
northern watch
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This tells me, the US was told to butt out and the Ukraine is close to surrender
wait-n-see
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You mean the one that the Soviets won, and Russia still controls the land taken from Finland.
somewherepress
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Um. Wasn't Russia also demanding preconditions?
Nope, I don't think so. Ukraine will give up assurances to never join NATO.
At the most they'll give up a small chunk of territory in Donetsk.
Part of the thinking likely is one burnt out Russian tank in Ukraine is one less Russian tank, and crew, to possibly cross their own border.
Time is on Kiev's side and not Putin's.
Illini Warrior
Illini Warrior
there's NATO stockpiles that the individual countries can draw from under the correct treaty regs >>> I don't think anything supplied to Ukraine has come from NATO itself ....
the munitions coming from Poland should be all fairly new - the US would be sending in factory fresh - the question would be how old is the UK and German stuff ....
Tristan
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He's trying hard to convey the message that he's not simply "running his mouth".
Isn't that clear by this point?
He's doing his best to get the point across the he's not F'n kidding.
Whether he'll push the button or not, ?
vector7
Dot Collector
How many times has this scheduled gotten canceled by Zelenskyy?
The CIA jester is successfully pushing a lot of Putin's buttons at the moment.
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It will be interesting to see the data. Either way, everyone involved is going to have to refresh their stocks....
Tex88
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It does not. Mine's two years old. And spiced up.
Capt. Eddie
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All paid for by the good 'ol American taxpayers.
Raggedyman
Res ipsa loquitur
INDEED . . . not to mention those RIGHT HERE AT HOME who would be MUCH NEEDED participants in the fight for their OWN HOMELAND and the future of their OWN PROGENY
thank you for pointing this to this FACT . . . I'd been very much wanting to say something about this - and had successfully refrained from doing so
She's certainly sporting a tricked-out AR, isn't she? Another solid entry from the Ukrainians in the social media battle for western consumption. Other than the pic of the Foreign Legion marching, I think this is the only non-AK I've seen in the various pictures.
Yes, also where the Soviets lost a huge number of men to do it. ETA: 400K+ Soviet casualties vs 70K+ Finnish.
Swedish volunteers were present for that mess on the side of the Finns.
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Peter
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Great grand mother came over from Ireland on thankfully an earlier voyage aboard her.Anyone remember the Lucitania?
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Sending arms to a country involved in a war can have all sorts of consequences. Not saying we shouldn't send arms to Ukraine, but when a shipment gets blasted we shouldn't be surprised. Arms running in a war zone carries a certain amount of risk.
Well this could definitely get spicy.....
Putting an extra boomer into "the rotation" IMHO would do that.....
So bank runs inside Russia trying to get foreign currency but that appears to be running out of foreign currency and the only available is Ruble
For those that think Putin is sandbagging the attack because of orders from Klaus, Putin cares a lot more about the internal political situation in Russia than he cares or trusts WEF.
Yes this is still early innings and reports are both sketchy confusing and contradicting but the current situation is not in Russia’s interest so that immediately connects that it is not in Putins interest.
A slight chance for a settlement is still possible but a good settlement would need to give both sides something to be happy and miserable about. Would Ukraine be willing to give up the breakaway regions and some small additional territory in exchange for cease fire and removal of Russian troops from the ‘rest’ of Ukraine. This can imho only be managed by an independent 3rd party respected by both sides.
The only possibility of a negotiated settlement is if Putin feels internal unrest is threatening his position, and we are far from there today but a lot can change over the next week.
I don’t think Putin can prevent word of losses and deaths reaching back into Russia. I would assume the crematorium trucks are to limit the shock of the injuries and the logistics requirement of returning the bodies.
Nothing I have seen so far makes me believe this was a well thought out and planned campaign, and with part of Putins international power built on the threat of the Russian military this also not serving in Russia’s geo political interests.
In the military logistics is not sexy, logistics is not something that looks menacing on a parade, logistics is hard to sell to a Congressman and Senator but logistics is the ultimate force multiplier.
The only thing worse than running out of ammo and fuel is running out of food. Maybe some ground pounders can chime in but in the standard combat pack load out in US you carry what some energy bars and maybe 2-3 days mre’s.
For those that think Putin is sandbagging the attack because of orders from Klaus, Putin cares a lot more about the internal political situation in Russia than he cares or trusts WEF.
Yes this is still early innings and reports are both sketchy confusing and contradicting but the current situation is not in Russia’s interest so that immediately connects that it is not in Putins interest.
A slight chance for a settlement is still possible but a good settlement would need to give both sides something to be happy and miserable about. Would Ukraine be willing to give up the breakaway regions and some small additional territory in exchange for cease fire and removal of Russian troops from the ‘rest’ of Ukraine. This can imho only be managed by an independent 3rd party respected by both sides.
The only possibility of a negotiated settlement is if Putin feels internal unrest is threatening his position, and we are far from there today but a lot can change over the next week.
I don’t think Putin can prevent word of losses and deaths reaching back into Russia. I would assume the crematorium trucks are to limit the shock of the injuries and the logistics requirement of returning the bodies.
Nothing I have seen so far makes me believe this was a well thought out and planned campaign, and with part of Putins international power built on the threat of the Russian military this also not serving in Russia’s geo political interests.
In the military logistics is not sexy, logistics is not something that looks menacing on a parade, logistics is hard to sell to a Congressman and Senator but logistics is the ultimate force multiplier.
The only thing worse than running out of ammo and fuel is running out of food. Maybe some ground pounders can chime in but in the standard combat pack load out in US you carry what some energy bars and maybe 2-3 days mre’s.
Raggedyman
Res ipsa loquitur
quite true . . . also its best to remember that we're playing with madmen who would not only be completely willing to kick over the table to win the game but would also very happily set the entire house on fire as they ran out the door with their loot