ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

inskanoot

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wait-n-see said:
Dang, you mean all these years of training that have been given to soldiers through out history until now was not needed? Just give an weapon to anyone and you got a mean green fighting machine who will go balls deep in battle with those trained to actually fight? I guess like the matrix, holding the weapon zaps the know-how right to their gray matter?

The propaganda war is so thick on this one, that farmers should not need fertilizer for years to come.
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Did they give them bullets, too?
 
Tex88

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Squid said:
A slight chance for a settlement is still possible but a good settlement would need to give both sides something to be happy and miserable about. Would Ukraine be willing to give up the breakaway regions and some small additional territory in exchange for cease fire and removal of Russian troops from the ‘rest’ of Ukraine. This can imho only be managed by an independent 3rd party respected by both sides.
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Not if they learned the lesson of Munich 1938.
 
wait-n-see

wait-n-see

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Housecarl said:
Yes, also where the Soviets lost a huge number of men to do it. ETA: 400K+ Soviet casualties vs 26K+ Finnish.

Swedish volunteers were present for that mess on the side of the Finns.
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I guess not the one your referring to as the causalities stated by you are off. (Soviet suffered over 300,000 casualties compared to around 65,000 for the Finns)

I'm also referring to the one where Stalin had decimated the Soviet military leaders , leading to poorly lead troops, and horrible logistics and tactical ability. The Soviets leadership took care of that in the 2nd inning.
Rethinking Stalin’s Purge of the Red Army, 1937-38

(just a snippet as I want to keep this post to a readable length .... much more interesting reading at the link)
"Marshal Mikhail Tukhachevskii, the Red Army’s most creative thinker and strategist, was the most prominent victim of the military purge in 1937, but the net was cast much wider. Over the next two years over 30,000 army leaders were discharged from the ranks; thousands were arrested and executions were widespread. The violence began to subside in late 1938 and reinstatements to the ranks became more common in 1939, but the military purge remained a highly destabilizing and damaging attack on the Red Army. It was a central moment in the broader Great Terror that gripped the Soviet Union in the mid-to-late 1930s "

What Was the Winter War?
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Less than two years before the Soviet Union faced off against Nazi Germany during World War II, it waged a bloody war with another adversary: the tiny nation of Finland.

Russia’s feud with its Nordic neighbor began in 1939, when Soviet leader Joseph Stalin looked to expand his influence over Eastern Europe. Citing concerns about a potential attack by the Germans, Stalin demanded that Finland’s border with Russia be moved back 16 miles along the Karelian Isthmus to create a buffer zone around the city of Leningrad. He also wanted the Finns to hand over several islands in the Gulf of Finland and lease the Soviets territory on the Hanko Peninsula for construction of a naval base.

The Soviets offered a large swath of Russian territory as part of the deal, but the Finns were suspicious of their motives and turned them down. On November 30, 1939, following a series of ultimatums and failed negotiations, the Soviet Red Army launched an invasion of Finland with half a million troops.

Though vastly outnumbered and outgunned in what became known as the “Winter War,” the Finns had the advantage of fighting on home turf. Led by Marshal Carl Gustaf Mannerheim, they hunkered down behind a network of trenches, concrete bunkers and field fortifications on the Karelian Isthmus and beat back repeated Soviet tank assaults. Elsewhere on the frontier, Finnish ski troops used the rugged landscape to conduct hit-and-run attacks on isolated Soviet units. Their guerilla tactics were only aided by the freezing Finnish winter, which bogged the Soviets down and made their soldiers easy to spot against snowy terrain. One Finnish sniper, a farmer named Simo Häyhä, was eventually credited with over 500 kills.

While the Finns put up a spirited resistance during the winter of 1939-1940, their troops were ultimately no match for the sheer immensity of the Red Army. In February 1940, following one of the largest artillery bombardments since World War I, the Soviets renewed their onslaught and overran the Finnish defenses on the Karelian Isthmus. With its forces low on ammunition and nearing the brink of exhaustion, Finland agreed to peace terms the following month.

The treaty ending the Winter War forced Finland to cede 11 percent of its territory to the Soviet Union, yet the country maintained its independence and later squared off against Russia a second time during World War II. For the Soviets, meanwhile, victory came at a heavy cost. During just three months of fighting, their forces suffered over 300,000 casualties compared to around 65,000 for the Finns. The Winter War may have also carried important consequences for World War II. Among other things, the Red Army’s lackluster performance is often cited as a key factor in Adolf Hitler’s mistaken belief that his June 1941 invasion of the Soviet Union would be a success.

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bobfall2005

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Illini Warrior said:
there's NATO stockpiles that the individual countries can draw from under the correct treaty regs >>> I don't think anything supplied to Ukraine has come from NATO itself ....

the munitions coming from Poland should be all fairly new - the US would be sending in factory fresh - the question would be how old is the UK and German stuff ....
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You would be thinking incorrectly.
 
von Koehler

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AlfaMan said:
I remember when the Soviet Union collapsed. I had a friend who lived in Belgorod oblast. People were starving that winter. We sent them a number of parcels of foodstuffs they couldn't get (which was pretty much everything). His parents were older, and his paycheck couldn't feed them.
I shipped a LOT of candy and Marlboros by the carton-for barter these items were solid gold. I'd also send them what I could in cash; 50-100 bucks every two weeks or so. Hid it in Folgers coffee containers and glued back the safety seal. Every time that cash got through; and an American 20 bucks would feed a family of 4 very well for a week. He would slip the local postal inspector a pack of Marlboros and the packages went through with no problems. I shipped nothing illegal; his family ate well all winter. People went hungry that first winter-what little we sent was quietly spread around to his family and neighbors.

He'd ship me Vatra cigarettes and Soviet propaganda posters, sent me a Russian coat from his army service period, etc. And letters describing how happy they were to be free. They were hungry and facing hard times, but they were happy to be free.
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Interesting. I have often thought that coffee, cigarettes, and booze were the best barter items.
 
wait-n-see

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Vegas321 said:
Every available attack and boomer should be out to sea including, a carrier strike group from the Atlantic.
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Both the USA and Russia have always kept boomers on patrol 24X365. However, for those with the weapon range, any boomer can just as easily launch from off their own station as they can from off shore of the target area.
 
Knoxville's Joker

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TFergeson said:
From a website I follow. I concur with their assessment, and I have noticed similar things. Ukraine, as it stands right now, is not the main event. Something else is up...

ETA: I went and looked it up. So far, Russia has not even committed 1/3 of their available combat power to this. So like I said. Somethings up.
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The propaganda has gone SO over the top now that it's a subject in itself.

First of all, Putin is not weak, and Putin is not defeated. Word on the street is that Putin used his junk at first and will pull out the good stuff if NATO attacks. And it seems legit, there were a few good cruise missiles used but most of what got used really was not Russia's best.

I have seen lots of crap about Russian tech being "50 years behind the United States" and it is always from a war monger that probably wants Americans to believe victory will be easy. But even if America's tech is better, it is going to be used by a military that was recently maimed by a death vax. The playing field is probably quite level.

50 years is a lie to boot.Russia's tech would not be "50 years behind America" even if they never updated a Mig 29, which is their 80's plane that's damn near abandoned. Their tech in reality is a mix of "30 years behind" with a nice pile of "15 years behind" all the way up to "Ahead of the United States" when it comes to anti aircraft systems and cruise missiles. Does your 15 year old computer still do the job? With modern warfare systems, I don't think 15 years matters when the tools are in the right hands, 30 years does, but not 15. Lots of America's military stuff in use right now is a mix of the same - some of what America uses is 40 years old too. But it was so far ahead of Russia at that time that 40 years is not a deal breaker.

The bottom line is I don't think Russia's stuff is outdated enough for it to even be a factor. What WILL be a factor is how it gets used and whether or not it can be hacked.
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I think part of it is Russia wants to update their stuff but they need to get rid of the old stuff first. Once they build new stuff I think it will be somewhat on par with some of our stuff.

Using cannon fodder as he is leads me to believe he is trying to out and remove trouble elements of his population.

I do not think he planned on the massive use of anti tank devices and molotovs that are so effective against equipment.

As far as age goes. If the stuff is advanced enough when it comes out and you have properly trained folks, age is not a factor, if anything age improves things as all the issues are FIXED.
 
Tex88

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wait-n-see said:
Considering human nature and the high level of stupidity currently in the western governments, yes. There is a good chance we will get nuclear dawn, not huge right now, but it is there.

Too many people are trying to poke a cornered and dangerous bear in every way possible, and this bear has access to as many nukes as he wants and the authority to use them.
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Damn i hate to agree with this
 
CaryC

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Raggedyman said:
quite true . . . also its best to remember that we're playing with madmen who would not only be completely willing to kick over the table to win the game but would also very happily set the entire house on fire as they ran out the door with their loot
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Biden? Need to be plain spoken because we have them too.
 
rob0126

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Lone Eagle Woman said:
There was a thread on Free Republic that said that Putin in secret was fuming on how this war was going so disastrous for Russia. And also because of the costs each day that it is costing Russia He thought it would be over in no time. Well, this is reality and how often the people in power rather here in the U.S., in Russia, in Europe, or elsewhere do Not Not have their head in reality. If this continues Not to go well in Russia's favor, expect Putin to try to find a way out where he can save face. Saving face and looking like a hero is a big thing to all of these power elites and for their egos.
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Canadian prepper seems to believe putin wants to keep the infrastructure of ukraine good, and wants to keep casulties to a minimum. (from his research)

Makes sense and it might be why things are going so slow. The power is still on, cell service is still up there.

I think hes got a point but things are getting out of hand because of zelensky and his FF crew.

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Farmgal

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I just read in the NY Times:

Turkey will implement a 1936 international treaty (Montreux Convention) that would ban Ukrainian and Russian warships from passing through the Black Sea Straits.

Turkey said the invasion of Ukraine constituted a war. The word "war" allows Turkey to close the straits to ships of the countries involved. Both countries still have the right to move their vessels to home bases in Black Sea.
 
John Green

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wait-n-see said:
I guess not the one your referring to as the causalities stated by you are off. (Soviet suffered over 300,000 casualties compared to around 65,000 for the Finns)

I'm also referring to the one where Stalin had decimated the Soviet military leaders , leading to poorly lead troops, and horrible logistics and tactical ability. The Soviets leadership took care of that in the 2nd inning.
Rethinking Stalin’s Purge of the Red Army, 1937-38

(just a snippet as I want to keep this post to a readable length .... much more interesting reading at the link)
"Marshal Mikhail Tukhachevskii, the Red Army’s most creative thinker and strategist, was the most prominent victim of the military purge in 1937, but the net was cast much wider. Over the next two years over 30,000 army leaders were discharged from the ranks; thousands were arrested and executions were widespread. The violence began to subside in late 1938 and reinstatements to the ranks became more common in 1939, but the military purge remained a highly destabilizing and damaging attack on the Red Army. It was a central moment in the broader Great Terror that gripped the Soviet Union in the mid-to-late 1930s "

What Was the Winter War?
"
Less than two years before the Soviet Union faced off against Nazi Germany during World War II, it waged a bloody war with another adversary: the tiny nation of Finland.

Russia’s feud with its Nordic neighbor began in 1939, when Soviet leader Joseph Stalin looked to expand his influence over Eastern Europe. Citing concerns about a potential attack by the Germans, Stalin demanded that Finland’s border with Russia be moved back 16 miles along the Karelian Isthmus to create a buffer zone around the city of Leningrad. He also wanted the Finns to hand over several islands in the Gulf of Finland and lease the Soviets territory on the Hanko Peninsula for construction of a naval base.

The Soviets offered a large swath of Russian territory as part of the deal, but the Finns were suspicious of their motives and turned them down. On November 30, 1939, following a series of ultimatums and failed negotiations, the Soviet Red Army launched an invasion of Finland with half a million troops.

Though vastly outnumbered and outgunned in what became known as the “Winter War,” the Finns had the advantage of fighting on home turf. Led by Marshal Carl Gustaf Mannerheim, they hunkered down behind a network of trenches, concrete bunkers and field fortifications on the Karelian Isthmus and beat back repeated Soviet tank assaults. Elsewhere on the frontier, Finnish ski troops used the rugged landscape to conduct hit-and-run attacks on isolated Soviet units. Their guerilla tactics were only aided by the freezing Finnish winter, which bogged the Soviets down and made their soldiers easy to spot against snowy terrain. One Finnish sniper, a farmer named Simo Häyhä, was eventually credited with over 500 kills.

While the Finns put up a spirited resistance during the winter of 1939-1940, their troops were ultimately no match for the sheer immensity of the Red Army. In February 1940, following one of the largest artillery bombardments since World War I, the Soviets renewed their onslaught and overran the Finnish defenses on the Karelian Isthmus. With its forces low on ammunition and nearing the brink of exhaustion, Finland agreed to peace terms the following month.

The treaty ending the Winter War forced Finland to cede 11 percent of its territory to the Soviet Union, yet the country maintained its independence and later squared off against Russia a second time during World War II. For the Soviets, meanwhile, victory came at a heavy cost. During just three months of fighting, their forces suffered over 300,000 casualties compared to around 65,000 for the Finns. The Winter War may have also carried important consequences for World War II. Among other things, the Red Army’s lackluster performance is often cited as a key factor in Adolf Hitler’s mistaken belief that his June 1941 invasion of the Soviet Union would be a success.

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I lost some family in that war. We still hate Russians.
 
WTSR

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hindustannewshub.com

Turkey will restrict the passage of Russian ships through the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles: - Hindustan News Hub

Turkey will restrict the passage of Russian ships through the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles Hindustan News Hub
hindustannewshub.com hindustannewshub.com

On February 27, Turkey announced a decision to comply with the provisions of the Montreux International Convention, which would restrict the movement of Russian warships from the Mediterranean to the Black Sea.
According to Radio Svoboda, this was stated in an interview with CNN Turk by Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu.
For the first time since Russia’s large-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, a representative of Turkey’s NATO leadership called the situation in Ukraine a war. In doing so, Cavusoglu markedly changed the rhetoric of Ankara, which has so far commented very cautiously on the balance between its commitments to Western allies and close contacts with Moscow, according to Reuters.
“The situation in Ukraine can be officially regarded as a war… We will implement the Montreux Convention,” said the Turkish Foreign Minister.
At the same time, Cavusoglu said that Turkey could not block the passage of all Russian ships, because, according to the international pact, this cannot be prevented if the ship returns to its registered base.
Prior to that, Kyiv called on Ankara to block further movement of Russian ships through the Bosphorus and Dardanelles to prevent their passage to the shores of Ukraine in the Black Sea. In February, at least six Russian ships and one submarine moved into its waters.
On February 26, Volodymyr Zelensky said he had reached an agreement with Turkey to “ban the passage of Russian warships” into the Black Sea. This information has not yet been confirmed by the Turkish side.
 
inskanoot

inskanoot

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He lived in Russia for several years and has an intell background. He repeats himself a lot in this one. He says that Putin has been holding back. He will not back down and that, if necessary, he might use thermobaric weapons. Also mentioned that Russia is 2d best at cyber warfare.

Youtube: Danger close & why
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View: https://youtu.be/9wQKZBkQyLY
 
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Boomer Sooner

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*Walter Bloomberg

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MAXAR SAYS RUSSIAN CONVOY EXTENDS MORE THAN 3.25 MILES (5 KM) AND CONTAINS FUEL, TANKS







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*Walter Bloomberg

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SATELLITE FIRM MAXAR SAYS LATEST IMAGES SHOW LARGE DEPLOYMENT OF RUSSIAN GROUND TROOPS MOVING IN DIRECTION OF KYIV, APPROXIMATELY 40 MILES/64 KM AWAY
 
Farmgal

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In another article reported by the NY Times this morning:

BP said it would exit its 20% stake in Rosneft (Russian-state controlled oil co).
 
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raven

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Millwright said:
They have an EXTREME level of mutual distrust.

This is just a temporary relationship of convenience.
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By population:
1. China 1,439 million
3. US 331 million
9. Russia 145 million

By GDP:
1. US $19,485 Billion
2. China $12,237 Billion
11. Russia $1,578 Billion

India, Brazil, Canada and Italy have bigger GDP than Russia.
India, Brazil, Nigeria and Pakistan have bigger populations.

A war between the US and Russia is very very good for the Chinese.
If you were Chinese, where
Tex88 said:
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F#ing gypos. Tanks and Travel Trailers are never safe when they are around.
 
Milk-maid

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I'm not sure how much of these fake images are making an impact on people, but I thought I'd post some of them for all to see.

Love the one with the fake rifles. Didn't Fox news fact check the images before using them?

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Biden's CGI goes Awry ^^^

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This guy ^^^ died in two different wars. They used the same name, same photo.
But CNN changed his occupation from Journalist to activist this time.
 
CGTech

CGTech

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can't confirm, seens on Canadian Preppers latest video...

Russia recently reactivated the Soviet nuclear dead hand switch. Don’t know the mechanics, but automatically launches nukes
 
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