EBOLA Frisco, TX Possible Ebola Patient #2 - At Presby Dallas - Test Negative - 10/9/2014
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Melodi
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Husband (aka Nightwolf, though he usually doesn't have time for posting but he does read the forum some) gets flu shot as he is a med student and it is mandatory; I get one usually (already had mine - this years had medium symptoms not too horrible but not nothing either) because I have a number of underlying health issues and after looking at the evidence think for ME, it is worth the risk. Do I think everyone needs one, no and they never protect you from every strain of flu anyway because they always have to guess which strains to vaccinate for.
But the point is I did my research and I made a decision for myself; everyone for should do the same for themselves and their families - last year I just never got around to it and I was fine but now that husband is spending five days a week in a public hospital, I decided to have one.
Everyone's health situation is different; the problem is that most people don't bother to look up anything for themselves; there are a number of medical conditions that if I had them I would NOT take the flue shot because the risk of doing so might outweigh the limited protection they provide.
But the point is I did my research and I made a decision for myself; everyone for should do the same for themselves and their families - last year I just never got around to it and I was fine but now that husband is spending five days a week in a public hospital, I decided to have one.
Everyone's health situation is different; the problem is that most people don't bother to look up anything for themselves; there are a number of medical conditions that if I had them I would NOT take the flue shot because the risk of doing so might outweigh the limited protection they provide.
iboya
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BertaBurtonLake
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I understand thread derailment as a naturally evolving process but maybe we could take a "flu shot or no flu shot" discussion to another thread. It is difficult enough to keep track of this fluid and rapidly changing Ebola situation without having to wade through an entirely separate subject contained in an Ebola thread.
I am not trying to be snarky or anything; simply making a suggestion.
I am not trying to be snarky or anything; simply making a suggestion.
Tennessee gal
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iboya
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Sasquatch
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The CDC is continually saying (majority of news conferences) that transmission of the Ebola virus is by "Direct Contact" only, but it seems they are really playing a symatics game since aerosolization was study and published back in 1995.
Some of the technical aspects in the study might be clarified by our healthcare members here for us non-medical types.
Some of the technical aspects in the study might be clarified by our healthcare members here for us non-medical types.
Lethal experimental infections of rhesus monkeys by aerosolized Ebola virus
E. JOHNSON, N. JAAX, J. WHITE AND P. JAHRLING
United State Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, Frederick, Maryland, USA
Received for publication 13 January 1995
Accepted for publication 24 May 1995
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1997182[/INDENT]/pdf/ijexpath00004-0007.pdf
E. JOHNSON, N. JAAX, J. WHITE AND P. JAHRLING
United State Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, Frederick, Maryland, USA
Received for publication 13 January 1995
Accepted for publication 24 May 1995
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1997182[/INDENT]/pdf/ijexpath00004-0007.pdf
Lilbitsnana
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bernie lubell @bernielubell 5m5 minutes ago
BREAKING: #Dallas hospital says Deputy is in good condition; not consistent with early stage #Ebola diagnosis. Test results expected later.
Brian Carberry @CNNBrian 6m6 minutes ago
UPDATE -- Hospital says Dallas deputy in good condition, NOT consistent with an early-stage #Ebola diagnosis. #CNN
Lorraine Caceres @LorraineCaceres 7m7 minutes ago
@texashealth says #dallas sheriff deputy being treated for possible #ebola symptoms is in good condition, no diarrhea, no vomiting, no fever
BREAKING: #Dallas hospital says Deputy is in good condition; not consistent with early stage #Ebola diagnosis. Test results expected later.
Brian Carberry @CNNBrian 6m6 minutes ago
UPDATE -- Hospital says Dallas deputy in good condition, NOT consistent with an early-stage #Ebola diagnosis. #CNN
Lorraine Caceres @LorraineCaceres 7m7 minutes ago
@texashealth says #dallas sheriff deputy being treated for possible #ebola symptoms is in good condition, no diarrhea, no vomiting, no fever
Mprepared
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I have been thinking this over and hard to sleep last night. I guess what bothers me is the comments it cannot be prevented from coming and only a matter of time. I think it odd that it has not been here all these years and now it is spreading to other countries too. I agree we are at war and who is the attacker is the question and what other countries this happens to.
I would tend to disagree with the fact that this is an attack. I looked at this awhile ago with the Anthrax nonsense a few years ago. Attacks tend to generally have a large amount of initial cases, trailing off for a while (while the pathogen incubates new cases), and then a larger secondary infection cycle. This usually occurs in isolated areas since the attacker released the pathogen in a particular location (airport, train station, mall, etc...).
The cases so far look like stupidity, not a concerted effort on the part of enemies unknown.... any comments?
Mprepared
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When the "Ebola shot" appears on the scene, I agree it would depend on the circumstances and risks, but if I do not see a risk then they better be prepared because I will not be vaccinated against my will. That is a scare tactic I think they love to throw out there. We are going to round you up and vaccinate you. Oh really, well try it. There are millions will will say no you are not. It is the same as we are going to take you guns. Oh really, well try it.
Mprepared
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Just read that the Dallas deputy is not sick today, so if nobody is sick other than the man that died, then maybe everybody is just jumpy.
BertaBurtonLake
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The CDC is continually saying (majority of news conferences) that transmission of the Ebola virus is by "Direct Contact" only, but it seems they are really playing a symatics game since aerosolization was study and published back in 1995.
Some of the technical aspects in the study might be clarified by our healthcare members here for us non-medical types.
Lethal experimental infections of rhesus monkeys by aerosolized Ebola virus
E. JOHNSON, N. JAAX, J. WHITE AND P. JAHRLING
United State Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, Frederick, Maryland, USA
Received for publication 13 January 1995
Accepted for publication 24 May 1995
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1997182[/INDENT]/pdf/ijexpath00004-0007.pdf
I'll tackle the abstract at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1997182
Abstract
The potential of aerogenic infection by Ebola virus was established by using a head-only exposure aerosol system. 1Virus-containing droplets of 0.8-1.2 microns were generated and administered into the respiratory tract of rhesus monkeys via inhalation. Inhalation of 2viral doses as low as 400 plaque-forming units of virus caused a rapidly fatal disease in 4-5 days. 3The illness was clinically identical to that reported for parenteral virus inoculation, except for the occurrence of subcutaneous and venipuncture site bleeding and serosanguineous nasal discharge. 4Immunocytochemistry revealed cell-associated Ebola virus antigens present in airway epithelium, alveolar pneumocytes, and macrophages in the lung and pulmonary lymph nodes; extracellular antigen was present on mucosal surfaces of the nose, oropharynx and airways. Aggregates of characteristic filamentous virus were present within type I pneumocytes, macrophages, and air spaces of the lung by electron microscopy. 5Demonstration of fatal aerosol transmission of this virus in monkeys reinforces the importance of taking appropriate precautions to prevent its potential aerosol transmission to humans.
1 virus-containing particles a little larger than the largest particle of corn starch(for comparison: a red blood cell is 3 microns. A particle of corn starch is 0.1-0.8 microns) were inhaled by monkeys.
2 Viral doses as low as 400 plaque-forming units (Theoretically, the plaque-forming unit includes only the infectious virus particles since a virus particle failing to infect a host cell will not be able to produce a plaque, hence, will not be counted.) caused diseas ending in DEATH in 4-5 days.
3 The illness and effect produced via respiratory inhalation of virii was not different than if you had given the virus via injection (or an accidental needle stick) except that needle administration produced bleeding under the skin, at the needle stick site, and bleeding from the nose.
4 Intracellular (within the cells) antigens (any substance capable of inducing a specific immune response and of reacting with the products of that response) were found in the cells of tissue lining of the airway, in 2 specific white blood cells in the lungs, and within lung-associated lymphnodes. Antigens outside of cells were found in the mucosal surfaces of the nose and in the throat, mouth, and airways of the monkeys. CLUMPS of virus were found in the certain white blood cells and air spaces in the lungs
5 If it did this shit in monkeys you better be prepared for it to act the same way in people.
Hope this helps and did not muddy the waters.
Countrymouse
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These two quotes pretty much summarize my concerns today.
CDC is LYING, and
how badly ARE we being lied to?
WHAT is the REAL state of affairs right now???
BertaBurtonLake
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It does not take more than a few functioning brain cells to realize if a USAMRIID study (has been posted several times already) revealed the very real probability of aerosolized transmission in 1995 that the CDC is lying like a rug out of their collective pie holes.
Ebola does NOT require direct contact (implies 'touching' or getting it on you) with a person's blood, vomit, or stool to become infected.
msswv123
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Concerning the sheriff employee yesterday:
Elizabeth Cohen reports on a new patient admitted to a Dallas hospital due to possible Ebola symptoms. (talks about testing)
VIDEO:
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/10/08/cohen-possible-ebola-patient-texas.cnn.html
Elizabeth Cohen reports on a new patient admitted to a Dallas hospital due to possible Ebola symptoms. (talks about testing)
VIDEO:
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/10/08/cohen-possible-ebola-patient-texas.cnn.html
Lilbitsnana
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ack
That's the clip of what I saw yesterday that had me calling/posting that the CNN reporter (her) was an idiot and yelling at the TV.
Doomer Doug
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The fact there has been no public contact with the family, as well as many of the first 48 who were directly exposed is critical to me. If they were not infected, and not showing symptoms, the CDC would have them out in dog and pony style press conferences. Ergo, in my opinion, ALL five family members are now showing symptoms as they are hidden by the CDC in that house. I also assume several others are as well, since we haven't heard a peep from them either.
You can draw a direct line from who is almost certainly infected with Ebola, showing symptoms to the people the CDC sucked up in their shop vac.
The HHS director comment comes into the "watch what we do and not what we say." She is repeating verbatim exactly what WHO just said about more Europe Ebola cases being "unavoidable." Assuming the Obama and the open border crowd, along with the openly incompetent CDC are to be believed, the HHS lady comment represents a huge break in the "don't worry, be happy" mantra being spewed by Obama and the CDC.
My read is most of the 48 are now infected, likely showing symptoms and the CDC is LYING about it. Until Doomer Doug sees the family members, the medical workers in a LIVE PRESS CONFERENCE looking and acting IN PERFECT HEALTH, he will assume the CDC is lying and THEY ARE ALL INFECTED AND SHOWING SYMPTOMS. I say to that cretin at the CDC-PROVE IT!!!!!!
You can draw a direct line from who is almost certainly infected with Ebola, showing symptoms to the people the CDC sucked up in their shop vac.
The HHS director comment comes into the "watch what we do and not what we say." She is repeating verbatim exactly what WHO just said about more Europe Ebola cases being "unavoidable." Assuming the Obama and the open border crowd, along with the openly incompetent CDC are to be believed, the HHS lady comment represents a huge break in the "don't worry, be happy" mantra being spewed by Obama and the CDC.
My read is most of the 48 are now infected, likely showing symptoms and the CDC is LYING about it. Until Doomer Doug sees the family members, the medical workers in a LIVE PRESS CONFERENCE looking and acting IN PERFECT HEALTH, he will assume the CDC is lying and THEY ARE ALL INFECTED AND SHOWING SYMPTOMS. I say to that cretin at the CDC-PROVE IT!!!!!!
msswv123
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I feel exactly the same way about her!!!
eta:
doug I just watched a video of the pastor who did the memorial service and the reporter asked if he had spoken to the family...and in reading the statement from the girlfriend after his death it sure did seem scripted compared to how she spoke with anderson cooper in her interview. Here's the pastor video:
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/v...-intv-mason-thomas-eric-duncan-vigil.cnn.html
So they didn't go to the service.
BertaBurtonLake
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Well, you can hang your hat on that if you want. Personally, I am not going to.
Doomer Doug
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The fact the family didn't go to the funeral seals it for me. If they were not infected and showing symptoms, the CDC would have had them at the funeral with every news camera in the world aimed at them.
Yep, the family is infected and showing symptoms. The CDC is lying. The pastor is a shill who was told what to say.
Yep, the family is infected and showing symptoms. The CDC is lying. The pastor is a shill who was told what to say.
BertaBurtonLake
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Bubble Head
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Exactly right DD. For the record all FEMA camps could technically be called a private gated community.
BertaBurtonLake
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Have they even had the funeral for Mr. Duncan, yet? If so, a link and article would be helpful.
Betty_Rose
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SOMETIME TOMORROW???
WTH???
What?
Meanwhile, on a semi-regular basis, they do "tests" and release suspected ebola patients in under three hours - someTIMES??
BertaBurtonLake
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Sometimes in less time than that.
Kris posted regarding the different tests somewhere in all these threads. I'll go check......
ETA: http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...O-10-15-2014&p=5378577&highlight=#post5378577
DuckandCover
Proud Sheeple
And if they did happen to be symptom-free and they were at the funeral, many would have said what idiots the CDC are for having them out there when they are still within the 21 day period.
Can't win either way, can they?
Doomer Doug
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Post 342 states that there was a "memorial service" by the Pastor of the church the family attends. They DID NOT, REPEAT DID NOT, attend the memorial service. The Pastor read a statement that was claimed to be written by the girlfriend. I will say it again, if the family was not infected and showing symptoms, the CDC would have had them there at the Public memorial service. Ergo, the fact they did not attend implies, and in my mind absolutely guarantees they are INFECTED AND SHOWING SYMPTOMS. And until Doomer Doug sees the family at a live press conference in good shape I will maintain they are infected and showing symptoms.
Mprepared
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They seem to have no phones, no computers, no communication. They could have had some kind of phone or video so that they could have communicated with the family and friends that were there.
Lilbitsnana
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Did they delay it again? Last report I saw (less than 2 hours ago) said the report would be released later today. hmmm
https://twitter.com/janetstjames
DSHS Press Office @TexasDSHS 2h2 hours ago
We are working with doctors to assess Dallas County sheriff's deputy. Expect results of #Ebola and other tests late this afternoon.
Lilbitsnana
On TB every waking moment
That's when you go to the last post and work your way backwards.
The other stuff as to who he is and was he tested/quarantined was answered at the front/first of the thread.
Oh, and as soon as a definite result comes back positive or negative, either Kris, another mod or I will update thread title. (it might be too late for me to be able to do it)
So... this guy comes all the way from West Africa to marry Louise (yeah, right) and dies less than 2 weeks later- and they DON'T ATTEND HIS MEMORIAL SERVICE?!!!
They're dying, somewhere. There is no other plausible explanation....
Summerthyme
In this day and age, they could have had them there via video link, so Louise or other "loved ones" could have eulogized him. These people haven't been seen or heard from in days- after being highly visible and voluntarily giving interviews to anyone who asked until they were whisked away. I don't see any other possible conclusion except that they are- at the least- showing symptoms, and at worst, in serious to critical condition somewhere.
Summerthyme
Lilbitsnana
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Agreed. Don't you love our "transparent" government; they are so truthful about Ebola, it just makes me giddy. (actually, that is from being up for over 24 hrs)
You are confusing ASSESSING with TESTING.
All of the "quick ones" like several of the airplane passengers, etc. lately, unless they were specifically taken to a hospital, admitted, isolated and under observation, were NOT "TESTED". They were ASSESSED on the spot.
Basic vitals such as BP and temperature, symptom questionnaire, travel history, etc. were gathered and then those are all basically SCORED by the team on the ground as to the LIKELIHOOD that it MIGHT be Ebola and worthy of being taken to a hospital, admitted, isolated and blood drawn to be sent off for testing.
You can guarantee, until such time as a new "quick TEST" becomes available that anytime they are NOT taken to a facility and admitted and put in isolation then they have only been ASSESSED and released NOT TESTED and released.
ETA: They will NOT draw blood for suspected Ebola testing unless the patient is in isolation at a facility.
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