ginnie6
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NC/SC border here and dd (works in md office) says there is flu in our area already. Not a lot but it's here.
EBOLA Frisco, TX Possible Ebola Patient #2 - At Presby Dallas - Test Negative - 10/9/2014
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NC/SC border here and dd (works in md office) says there is flu in our area already. Not a lot but it's here.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Your person is correct on cold weather.
Ebola last LONGER on surfaces the colder it gets, until at about -40C it lasts indefinitely, though APPARENTLY NOT on METAL surfaces. This assumes mixture with body fluids and then drying.
As for "covering" with Flu, not a chance. Trust me, there is gonna be enough FLU this year to make Ebola slide to the back of the paper.
Based on what I'm reading here and a couple other places that is. Gonna be a BUMPER year for Flu.
Ebola last LONGER on surfaces the colder it gets, until at about -40C it lasts indefinitely, though APPARENTLY NOT on METAL surfaces. This assumes mixture with body fluids and then drying.
As for "covering" with Flu, not a chance. Trust me, there is gonna be enough FLU this year to make Ebola slide to the back of the paper.
Based on what I'm reading here and a couple other places that is. Gonna be a BUMPER year for Flu.
meandk0610
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Why? I know flu changes all the time, but what's going on now that makes this year special?
The Traveler
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I read the report that Possible Impact posted last week. It states that the virus could still be viable on certain surfaces at 4 degrees Celsius (39.4 F) in a controlled environment.
oops
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according to reports from army research outfit (usamriid)...they've found it viable dried on glass/windows at 50 days...metal n plastic was fewer days...and the colder it gets the harder it is to kill and once it gets to a certain temp...it becomes impossible to kill (something down around absolute zero if mem serves correctly)...need to go back n reread those blessed reports but really don't wanta it's tiring reading...
msswv123
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Dallas County Deputy Awaits Ebola Test Results
October 9, 2014 6:18 AM
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DALLAS (CBSDFW.COM) - Just hours after the death of Thomas Duncan, the first person diagnosed with the Ebola virus in the United States, a deputy with the Dallas County Sheriff’s Department was rushed to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas on Wednesday with some similar Ebola symptoms.
Michael Monnig is now in isolation at the hospital, waiting for test results to confirm whether or not he too has the Ebola virus. Those results may not arrive for another two days.
The deputy started feeling ill on Wednesday morning, just a few days after becoming involved with Duncan. Monnig had no direct contact with the first Ebola patient, but he was at the apartment unit where Duncan had stayed prior to being admitted to the hospital. Monnig served a quarantine order to Duncan’s family.
Monnig’s son said that the deputy was feeling fatigued and had flu-like symptoms, which are similar to what Ebola patients experience in the early stages of sickness. Monnig went to a CareNow clinic in Frisco on Wednesday complaining of stomach pains, and told the facility’s personnel about his contact with the Ebola patient.
Doctors at the clinic felt that Monnig met the preliminary guidelines for Ebola as given by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That is why he was rushed to the hospital.
However, family members maintain that there is no cause for concern. “He was in the apartment for 30 minutes. We were told there was no way he contracted the virus,” said son Logan Monnig. “We’re very, kind of scared, just want to make sure he’s okay.”
The deputy was not among the group of individuals being monitored by health officials, because he had no direct contact with Duncan.
Monnig’s vehicle was still parked in front of the Frisco clinic late Wednesday, but it was removed early Thursday. The clinic plans to remain closed on Thursday in order to undergo a deep cleaning by the same company that decontaminated The Ivy Apartments, where Duncan had stayed.
Meanwhile, the Lewisville Independent School District issued a statement Wednesday night, because one of Monnig’s children attends a school in the district. “We have communicated with the Denton County Health Department,” the note stated. “There is no reason to quarantine anyone, and there is no reason to close a school.”
Video at link:
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/09/dallas-county-deputy-awaits-ebola-test-results/
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October 9, 2014 6:18 AM
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DALLAS (CBSDFW.COM) - Just hours after the death of Thomas Duncan, the first person diagnosed with the Ebola virus in the United States, a deputy with the Dallas County Sheriff’s Department was rushed to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas on Wednesday with some similar Ebola symptoms.
Michael Monnig is now in isolation at the hospital, waiting for test results to confirm whether or not he too has the Ebola virus. Those results may not arrive for another two days.
The deputy started feeling ill on Wednesday morning, just a few days after becoming involved with Duncan. Monnig had no direct contact with the first Ebola patient, but he was at the apartment unit where Duncan had stayed prior to being admitted to the hospital. Monnig served a quarantine order to Duncan’s family.
Monnig’s son said that the deputy was feeling fatigued and had flu-like symptoms, which are similar to what Ebola patients experience in the early stages of sickness. Monnig went to a CareNow clinic in Frisco on Wednesday complaining of stomach pains, and told the facility’s personnel about his contact with the Ebola patient.
Doctors at the clinic felt that Monnig met the preliminary guidelines for Ebola as given by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That is why he was rushed to the hospital.
However, family members maintain that there is no cause for concern. “He was in the apartment for 30 minutes. We were told there was no way he contracted the virus,” said son Logan Monnig. “We’re very, kind of scared, just want to make sure he’s okay.”
The deputy was not among the group of individuals being monitored by health officials, because he had no direct contact with Duncan.
Monnig’s vehicle was still parked in front of the Frisco clinic late Wednesday, but it was removed early Thursday. The clinic plans to remain closed on Thursday in order to undergo a deep cleaning by the same company that decontaminated The Ivy Apartments, where Duncan had stayed.
Meanwhile, the Lewisville Independent School District issued a statement Wednesday night, because one of Monnig’s children attends a school in the district. “We have communicated with the Denton County Health Department,” the note stated. “There is no reason to quarantine anyone, and there is no reason to close a school.”
Video at link:
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/09/dallas-county-deputy-awaits-ebola-test-results/
(bolding mine)
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
according to reports from army research outfit (usamriid)...they've found it viable dried on glass/windows at 50 days...metal n plastic was fewer days...and the colder it gets the harder it is to kill and once it gets to a certain temp...it becomes impossible to kill (something down around absolute zero if mem serves correctly)...need to go back n reread those blessed reports but really don't wanta it's tiring reading...
-40C....
Which translates to...(carry the 5) .... HAH!! -40C=-40F..it's the crossing point!
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
THe expectation is that this year will be bad, They aren't elaborating that I have seen on that.
This flu season will be "interesting" .... with initial symptoms of ebola and the flu being so similar ... how will ERs, clinics, docs offices handle flu cases in light of ebola now on the radar? I wouldn't think they could isolate everyone with flu like symptoms for 24 to 48 hours while tests are being run ... how much will the threat of ebola tax the health care system when flu hits across the country?
BertaBurtonLake
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Adressing these one sentence at a time:
Fatigue and flu-like sx ARE the first sx of Ebola and the time frame from exposure to exhibiting these sx fits.
30 minutes coupled with unprotected touching of articles in the apartment (it has been reported he handled bedding and such) is more than enough time for exposure. The Dr. in Nigeria only touched one item and was in the room less than 30 minutes.
The CDC is the entity telling his family there is NO WAY he could have contracted Ebola. We know this is patently false.
Direct contact with an infectious patient is NOT the only way Ebola is transmitted, to wit: the cameraman (contracted cleaning a car in which a patient had been) currently undergoing treatment in Nebraska and Dr. Igonoh in Nigeria (contracted touching an IV bag/briefly being at the bedside of Sawyer
LightEcho
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Imagine someone with ebola... no symptoms yet. That means no sneezing, no fever, no oozing fluids. That does NOT mean they are safe from being contagious. If they have the virus in their bodies, it is just not in large enough quantities to be visible yet.
Now add in a simple cold or flu. Fluids running, nose sniffles, sneezing, etc. Body fluids will be spread. This includes the - as yet undetectable- ebola virus. Other typical illnesses will become facilitators for ebola.
Now add in a simple cold or flu. Fluids running, nose sniffles, sneezing, etc. Body fluids will be spread. This includes the - as yet undetectable- ebola virus. Other typical illnesses will become facilitators for ebola.
Not to butt in or answer for n d , but I was told yesterday, while getting my flu shot, that the flu is hitting much earlier this year and is more widely scattered.
Because of this earlier than expected season, fewer people have gotten the shot. People simply don't feel like it's the flu season yet.
Possible Impact
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If we get a few more confirmed cases, from patients with no contact with a sick person,
then on a scale of 1 to 10...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sRhuh8Aphc
Sasquatch
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The CDC "Super Tests" are only available at airports and only TSA agents are qualified to administer those tests. (just one of those days
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VesperSparrow
Goin' where the lonely go
Mom and dad got their flu vax last Saturday. Already dad has been pukey and weaker than normal and fell at 230 am night before last, I had to go there and parent-watch all night. And now mom is feeling "fluey" and sniffly.
But to make matters worse, she said the "pharmacist" didn't even wear GLOVES when she administered the injections.
No flu shots here. My father in law died 20 minutes after his in 2007, he was a quadriplegic and his caregiver took him for the shot, on the way back to the house she ran into the grocery store for 5 or so minutes and when she came back to the van he was slumped over dead in his wheelchair. Did an autopsy, not sure why he died.
shinerbock
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Flu season traditionally begins in mid-October - close enough.
Marthanoir
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Not a hope, I wouldn't touch the flu shot
Tigerlily
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Wow! I just had an "Aha!" moment. You recall that newly signed Executive Order, which makes it legal to quarantine anyone with a communicable disease? That is designed to sweep up all the flu-like symptoms cases, because it may be Ebola - or maybe not. "We can't afford to take the chance," is what we will be told.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Except that this is a simple restatement of existing Public Health Law in most states. Putting it in a national scope.
So.... NO official "negative" result yet? Hmmmmm... (or did I miss it?)
Summerthyme
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Not yet, also they say it may take a couple of days to receive test results.......
iboya
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Immediate termination if you don't get your flu shot - if you work in health care.
BertaBurtonLake
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I believe they used the 48 hour test with him so results would be some time tomorrow
SusieSunshine
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And that is Odd. Austin did the test for Duncan, it was back in hours.
There really isn't a need for her to wear gloves, unless you should wear gloves when shaking hands as well. Clean the site, give injection, place bandaid. There should be not contact other than skin -to-skin, just like a handshake.
And we (at my facility) still have the option of refusing a flu shot - we just have to wear a mask from November thru March/April if we don't get one.
oops
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sorry...wasn't thinkin someone wouldn't know that one...brain was in neutral this mornin...
iboya
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http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2554588
By Philip Klein | October 9, 2014 | 10:21 am
HHS secretary: There may be other cases of Ebola in the U.S.
By Philip Klein | October 9, 2014 | 10:21 am
Secretary of Health and Human Services Sylvia Burwell said that despite the best efforts of health officials, Americans have to prepare for the reality that there may be more cases of Ebola in the United States.
“We had one case and I think there may be other cases, and I think we have to recognize that as a nation,” Burwell said at a media breakfast hosted by the journal Health Affairs and held at the Washington, D.C. offices of the Kaiser Family Foundation.
Burwell’s comments come as screening of travelers from Ebola-affected countries in West Africa has been stepped up at U.S. airports. On Wednesday, the first patient diagnosed with the virus on U.S. soil died in Texas.
She expressed confidence in the screening process that has already been in place in travelers' departure cities, but acknowledged that no such system is 100 percent.
“The most important place with regard to taking care of screening is actually at the point of departure,” she said. “And that’s been in place for many months and as we know, we have a case. That case sadly is deceased. But for many months, we did not have a case that entered the country. And we know that that screening has worked in the sense of 80 people have been pulled from the lines in the screening and stopped in the home country. And that’s the most important place to do that.”
She said that there was a massive effort at preparing the healthcare system to deal with any cases that may arise.
“What’s most important is we know how to contain," she said. "And that is: detect, contact tracing, isolation, and treatment.”
She said that 8,000 healthcare providers have been on Centers for Disease Control and Prevention webinars and hundreds of thousands of health care workers have been communicating through an alert network.
By Philip Klein | October 9, 2014 | 10:21 am
HHS secretary: There may be other cases of Ebola in the U.S.
By Philip Klein | October 9, 2014 | 10:21 am
Secretary of Health and Human Services Sylvia Burwell said that despite the best efforts of health officials, Americans have to prepare for the reality that there may be more cases of Ebola in the United States.
“We had one case and I think there may be other cases, and I think we have to recognize that as a nation,” Burwell said at a media breakfast hosted by the journal Health Affairs and held at the Washington, D.C. offices of the Kaiser Family Foundation.
Burwell’s comments come as screening of travelers from Ebola-affected countries in West Africa has been stepped up at U.S. airports. On Wednesday, the first patient diagnosed with the virus on U.S. soil died in Texas.
She expressed confidence in the screening process that has already been in place in travelers' departure cities, but acknowledged that no such system is 100 percent.
“The most important place with regard to taking care of screening is actually at the point of departure,” she said. “And that’s been in place for many months and as we know, we have a case. That case sadly is deceased. But for many months, we did not have a case that entered the country. And we know that that screening has worked in the sense of 80 people have been pulled from the lines in the screening and stopped in the home country. And that’s the most important place to do that.”
She said that there was a massive effort at preparing the healthcare system to deal with any cases that may arise.
“What’s most important is we know how to contain," she said. "And that is: detect, contact tracing, isolation, and treatment.”
She said that 8,000 healthcare providers have been on Centers for Disease Control and Prevention webinars and hundreds of thousands of health care workers have been communicating through an alert network.
Be Well
may all be well
What strains of flu? H1N1 maybe? do you know what ones?
Be Well
may all be well
I'm copying, bolding and turning red because this comment by BBL is vital for everyone to understand very clearly.
babysteps
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ginnie6
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this is true....dd is required to get one. We never do them though.
26 day termination if you do
iboya
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well said!If what we've seen over the past month is their BEST EFFORTS....
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014...eac73805b875b3-6T1sboNiV-HSK1-742_634x466.jpg
Christopher Perkins, D.O., M.P.H. Medical Director, Health Authority with Dallas County Health and Human Services walks out of an apartment unit at The Ivy Apartment Complex, Thursday, Oct. 2, 2014, in Dallas. Dallas County officials have ordered family members who had contact with the patient diagnosed with the Ebola virus to stay inside their home. (AP Photo/Tony Gutierrez),
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