EBOLA Frisco, TX Possible Ebola Patient #2 - At Presby Dallas - Test Negative - 10/9/2014

[Lilbitsnana]

Trinidad Wes ‏@eDWaRds_dErriCK 45s46 seconds ago

“@janetstjames: BREAKING: #Ebola test Negative for deputy at @texashealth dallas.” I told everyone the dude just had a bad burrito
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Reagan Roy ‏@reaganroy 1m1 minute ago

#Ebola test results come back #negative on TX sheriff's deputy.#KETK http://ketk.m0bl.net/r/20a3e2

 

[BertaBurtonLake]

Did they delay it again? Last report I saw (less than 2 hours ago) said the report would be released later today. hmmm

https://twitter.com/janetstjames

DSHS Press Office ‏@TexasDSHS 2h2 hours ago
We are working with doctors to assess Dallas County sheriff's deputy. Expect results of #Ebola and other tests late this afternoon.

Dunno. There are only really 2 tests they can readily and widely use, IIRC. One is ready in 6-8 hours, the other not ready for 48 hours.

We have seen clearances given in as little as 36 minutes, so I don't know. We are, somewhat at their mercy, despite the vast body of research and facts accumulated and posted on this board.

 

[Lilbitsnana]

I don't trust them much, but hey, good for him if true.

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http://www.ketknbc.com/news/ebola-test-results-come-back-negative-on-deputy

Ebola test results come back negative on deputy

WFAA/CNN


News
Texas DSHS Release

POSTED: Thursday, October 9, 2014 - 12:42pm
UPDATED: Thursday, October 9, 2014 - 2:50pm

UPDATE: According to DSHS, testing of the specimen submitted by Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital was completed on Thursday with a negative result for Ebola.


Original Report: State health officials are working closely with doctors at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital to evaluate the case of a sheriff's deputy who sought medical care yesterday. Results of tests for Ebola and other potential causes of the illness are expected late this afternoon.

The deputy, who does not have a fever and is doing better, had been briefly inside the apartment of a man who later died of Ebola. The Ebola patient had already been hospitalized so the deputy did not have direct contact with him. All known cases of Ebola have occurred through direct contact with blood or other bodily fluids or exposure to contaminated objects, such as needles.

"The risk is extremely low because this individual didn't have contact with the Ebola patient, but we want to err on the side of caution," said Dr. David Lakey, Texas health commissioner. "We understand there's a lot of anxiety in the community, and we hope getting test results back will help calm those fears."

The state approved the test for Ebola after consulting with doctors at Presbyterian and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This will be the third person tested for Ebola at the state public health laboratory in Austin. The first was the Dallas patient who tested positive, and the second was a patient from the Houston area who was negative. The Austin lab is one of only 13 in the nation that can test for Ebola.

An Ebola test will return a negative result until a person has enough virus in their system to be detected, and that may not occur until after symptoms have been present for at least a day.

Ebola is not contagious until symptoms appear, which can occur two to 21 days after exposure. Early symptoms include fever, headache, abdominal pain and weakness.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

Dunno. There are only really 2 tests they can readily and widely use, IIRC. One is ready in 6-8 hours, the other not ready for 48 hours.

We have seen clearances given in as little as 36 minutes, so I don't know. We are, somewhat at their mercy, despite the vast body of research and facts accumulated and posted on this board.

BBL see my explanation a couple of posts above.

 

[Parakeet]

And if they did happen to be symptom-free and they were at the funeral, many would have said what idiots the CDC are for having them out there when they are still within the 21 day period.

Can't win either way, can they?

And since when did the CDC or any other govt. agency give a rat's patootie about what the public thinks of their actions? I agree with the others, if the family wasn't showing signs of infection at this point, the CDC would be parading them around at every opportunity as the poster children for how unlikely it is to transmit the Ebola Virus.

Also, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the reason we are no longer hearing or seeing anything from Louise's daughter is because she did start showing symptoms and has also been skirted away to some undisclosed location by TPTB.

 

[BertaBurtonLake]

So... this guy comes all the way from West Africa to marry Louise (yeah, right) and dies less than 2 weeks later- and they DON'T ATTEND HIS MEMORIAL SERVICE?!!!

They're dying, somewhere. There is no other plausible explanation....

Summerthyme

Agreed. That, or really, really sick and infectious.

 

[bw]

if the family was not infected and showing symptoms, the CDC would have had them there at the Public memorial service. Ergo, the fact they did not attend implies, and in my mind absolutely guarantees they are INFECTED AND SHOWING SYMPTOMS.

We have nothing that approaches proof that the family is sick, but circumstances are making it a reasonable assumption. It's in CDC's court now to show otherwise. We can't be the only group making this connection.

 

[Doomer Doug]

The CDC and its Cretin in Chief used the same pattern of deception with Mr. Duncan regarding his "death." They played mind games with both the media and the American people for several days before he actually died. Mr. Duncan was serious, and then he was critical. He was on a ventilator, but he wasn't dead. He was on dialysis for kidney failure, but he wasn't dead. Yada, Yada, Yada. The pattern is to hide relevant information until the CDC is ABSOLUTELY FORCED TO RELEASE IT.

The same pattern is now playing out with the family members. The CDC is now saying that despite the example of THOUSANDS of cases in West Africa where family members were infected living in the same room with an infected person, the family did not get infected. I mean, what is the medical basis for that kind of statement? Is the CDC saying Mr. Duncan wasn't infected during the FIVE DAYS he exposed all five family members to Ebola? Is the CDC saying that the disease vector for Ebola changed in Dallas from West Africa? Is the CDC saying that the family wasn't exposed and wasn't infected? Further, if that lack of disease vector really happened, then why is the CDC refusing to show any member of the family at all?

The only logical reason, based on prior CDC deception methods, as well as the medical facts about how Ebola spreads, is the family is both infected and symptomatic.

It will take a few days until they die, at which point the political firestorm will burn the CDC cretin into ashes.

 

[Lilbitsnana]

Kris, my "EDIT" time has elapsed, if someone wants to update thread with test results.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

I will say it again, if the family was not infected and showing symptoms, the CDC would have had them there at the Public memorial service. Ergo, the fact they did not attend implies, and in my mind absolutely guarantees they are INFECTED AND SHOWING SYMPTOMS. And until Doomer Doug sees the family at a live press conference in good shape I will maintain they are infected and showing symptoms.

BS, Doug. Everyone here is going friggin nuts.

The CDC or any entity with such authority in their right mind is NOT going to parade them out until AT LEAST the 21 days are up. They would be a fool to do so.

 

[CnMO]

How can CDC say he tested neg. for ebola? When they say early testing (before you have the high fever, throwing up, etc nasty stuff) will not show ebola.

For test to work, and show a true positive for ebola, you must have all the nasty symptoms or can test the dead body.

I say give the Deputy 4 more days and keep him in the hospital , and do the Test Again.

 

[Lilbitsnana]

Everyone here is going friggin nuts.

Well, I was heading down the road at 4 AM to drive 25 miles to DD's house to babysit, so DD could take youngest GS to B'ham for surgery.

I'm tired, most likely a little nuts and sort of grouchy too.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

How can CDC say he tested neg. for ebola? When they say early testing (before you have the high fever, throwing up, etc nasty stuff) will not show ebola.

For test to work, and show a true positive for ebola, you must have all the nasty symptoms or can test the dead body.

Simple. They drew blood and sent it off for testing. The test came back negative. Happens all the time.

 

[Lilbitsnana]

How can CDC say he tested neg. for ebola? When they say early testing (before you have the high fever, throwing up, etc nasty stuff) will not show ebola.

For test to work, and show a true positive for ebola, you must have all the nasty symptoms or can test the dead body.

I say give the Deputy 4 more days and keep him in the hospital , and do the Test Again.

Don't get logical...you'll spoil it for them (CDC).

He might be truly negative, but we will know for sure in about two weeks. If it was a false negative, there would be no doubt by then.

We need some good news, it seems he got real lucky.

 

[aliens7]

I don't trust them much, but hey, good for him if true.

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http://www.ketknbc.com/news/ebola-test-results-come-back-negative-on-deputy

Ebola test results come back negative on deputy

WFAA/CNN


News
Texas DSHS Release

POSTED: Thursday, October 9, 2014 - 12:42pm
UPDATED: Thursday, October 9, 2014 - 2:50pm

UPDATE: According to DSHS, testing of the specimen submitted by Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital was completed on Thursday with a negative result for Ebola.


Original Report: State health officials are working closely with doctors at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital to evaluate the case of a sheriff's deputy who sought medical care yesterday. Results of tests for Ebola and other potential causes of the illness are expected late this afternoon.

The deputy, who does not have a fever and is doing better, had been briefly inside the apartment of a man who later died of Ebola. The Ebola patient had already been hospitalized so the deputy did not have direct contact with him. All known cases of Ebola have occurred through direct contact with blood or other bodily fluids or exposure to contaminated objects, such as needles.

"The risk is extremely low because this individual didn't have contact with the Ebola patient, but we want to err on the side of caution," said Dr. David Lakey, Texas health commissioner. "We understand there's a lot of anxiety in the community, and we hope getting test results back will help calm those fears."

The state approved the test for Ebola after consulting with doctors at Presbyterian and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This will be the third person tested for Ebola at the state public health laboratory in Austin. The first was the Dallas patient who tested positive, and the second was a patient from the Houston area who was negative. The Austin lab is one of only 13 in the nation that can test for Ebola.

An Ebola test will return a negative result until a person has enough virus in their system to be detected, and that may not occur until after symptoms have been present for at least a day.

Ebola is not contagious until symptoms appear, which can occur two to 21 days after exposure. Early symptoms include fever, headache, abdominal pain and weakness.

Is it me? or does this part seem new... I don't recall them saying that before (so plainly)...

An Ebola test will return a negative result until a person has enough virus in their system to be detected, and that may not occur until after symptoms have been present for at least a day.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

Don't get logical...you'll spoil it for them (CDC).

And he DID present with SOME symptoms yesterday at the CareNow Clinic. You do not have to present with ALL symptoms. They ASSESSED him on the ground and based on those evidences he SCORED high enough to be worthy of moon suits and isolation and EBOLA TESTING. The TEST came back NEGATIVE.

We have NOT yet heard (at least I haven't) whether he is now going to be released or whether they are going to keep him and re-test in a couple of days...which is also not uncommon "just in case". What I DID hear and see posted was that he is "feeling better" i.e. he has less or no symptoms today.

 

[prepgirl44]

We have nothing that approaches proof that the family is sick, but circumstances are making it a reasonable assumption. It's in CDC's court now to show otherwise. We can't be the only group making this connection.

We aren't the only group. It's the talk of the day here at work. And I work with a bunch of liberals in local government. It's become pretty obvious to J6P, me thinks.

I've heard everything from this is a convenient way for the current regime to put their final plans in place to we are being lied to, to information is being withheld, to the obvious of how convenient (and downright dirty) of TPTB to use fear regarding Ebola to accomplish their goals.

The sheep are waking up. This is tilting everyone's BS meter. EVERYONES. Unfortunately, the consensus here seems to be that so much has already been put in place that it is already too late to do anything about it.

 

[Lilbitsnana]

Is it me? or does this part seem new... I don't recall them saying that before (so plainly)...

An Ebola test will return a negative result until a person has enough virus in their system to be detected, and that may not occur until after symptoms have been present for at least a day.

Giving fair warning in case he does actually come down with it over the next two weeks.

 

[prepgirl44]

Is it me? or does this part seem new... I don't recall them saying that before (so plainly)...

An Ebola test will return a negative result until a person has enough virus in their system to be detected, and that may not occur until after symptoms have been present for at least a day.

Oh, that's definitely new.

 

[Be Well]

You are confusing ASSESSING with TESTING.

All of the "quick ones" like several of the airplane passengers, etc. lately, unless they were specifically taken to a hospital, admitted, isolated and under observation, were NOT "TESTED". They were ASSESSED on the spot.

Basic vitals such as BP and temperature, symptom questionnaire, travel history, etc. were gathered and then those are all basically SCORED by the team on the ground as to the LIKELIHOOD that it MIGHT be Ebola and worthy of being taken to a hospital, admitted, isolated and blood drawn to be sent off for testing.

You can guarantee, until such time as a new "quick TEST" becomes available that anytime they are NOT taken to a facility and admitted and put in isolation then they have only been ASSESSED and released NOT TESTED and released.


ETA: They will NOT draw blood for suspected Ebola testing unless the patient is in isolation at a facility.

For some reason, in Liberia/Sierra Leone, they have or did have recently, labs that could come up with a positive/negative in 4 hours from receiving the sample. Of course there is a window when a patient who dose have Ebola will test neg; Dr. Brantley had at least one neg test before turning positive. So I have no clue why the CDC can't have a lab at least as efficient as one in West Africa....

 

[Kris Gandillon]

Don't get logical...you'll spoil it for them (CDC).

He might be truly negative, but we will know for sure in about two weeks. If it was a false negative, there would be no doubt by then.

We need some good news, it seems he got real lucky.

Or maybe, just maybe....in the real world, outside of a specific, controlled, laboratory setting, it is indeed relatively difficult to catch Ebola from a secondary asymptomatic person or from surfaces where the potential virus is now at best several days old. I do not discount that it MIGHT be POSSIBLE but I do recognize also that it might not be as highly PROBABLE as many here make it out to be.

Never forget there are infinite POSSIBILITIES but a relatively finite and usually very narrow set of actual PROBABILITIES.

 

[hunybee]

Well, I was heading down the road at 4 AM to drive 25 miles to DD's house to babysit, so DD could take youngest GS to B'ham for surgery.

I'm tired, most likely a little nuts and sort of grouchy too.

are those 3 of the ebola dwarfs?

 

[Kris Gandillon]

For some reason, in Liberia/Sierra Leone, they have or did have recently, labs that could come up with a positive/negative in 4 hours from receiving the sample. Of course there is a window when a patient who dose have Ebola will test neg; Dr. Brantley had at least one neg test before turning positive. So I have no clue why the CDC can't have a lab at least as efficient as one in West Africa....

That *IS* the new test I have mentioned. It can have an answer in 2-4 hours. But not every lab is equipped to perform this test.


ETA: The few labs that ARE equipped to do this new test are spread around the country. The sample has to be transported SECURELY to them. That usually takes hours in and of itself.

 

[Lilbitsnana]

And he DID present with SOME symptoms yesterday at the CareNow Clinic. You do not have to present with ALL symptoms. They ASSESSED him on the ground and based on those evidences he SCORED high enough to be worthy of moon suits and isolation and EBOLA TESTING. The TEST came back NEGATIVE.

We have NOT yet heard (at least I haven't) whether he is now going to be released or whether they are going to keep him and re-test in a couple of days...which is also not uncommon "just in case". What I DID hear and see posted was that he is "feeling better" i.e. he has less or no symptoms today.

No, I haven't seen anything on if he is released, re-testing or anything.


Or they could have suited up based on this, and things went from there after all of the publicity:

snip/

"Initial reports from the urgent care facility indicated the patient had direct contact with the Dallas 'patient zero'; however, Frisco firefighter-paramedics now report the patient says he had contact with the apartment and family members related to the Dallas 'patient zero' prior to the apartment being decontaminated," said city of Frisco spokesperson Dana Baird.

http://www.kens5.com/story/news/201...igns-of-ebola-in-dallas-area-deputy/16980695/

 

[Lilbitsnana]

are those 3 of the ebola dwarfs?

I don't know, but the middle little bit was a cry baby this morning because his Mom didn't get his backpack out of the van and he was going to "get kicked off honor roll" and he hates me because it's all my (Nana's not Mommy's) fault. go figure

It seems I was dealing with (3) trolls, not dwarfs...

 

[Ledel]

I for one am very happy it came back negative. If it was positive then I would have been very concerned because he was not in the house with an actively infected person. I hoped that it was something else that caused his symptoms.... Hope it stays negative

 

[hunybee]

I don't know, but the middle little bit was a cry baby this morning because his Mom didn't get his backpack out of the van and he was going to "get kicked off honor roll" and he hates me because it's all my (Nana's not Mommy's) fault. go figure

It seems I was dealing with (3) trolls, not dwarfs...

i'm sorry, dear.

that does sound like a cruddy day

 

[Possible Impact]

Originally Posted by Lilbitsnana
Well, I was heading down the road at 4 AM to drive 25 miles to DD's house to babysit, so DD could take youngest GS to B'ham for surgery.

I'm tired, most likely a little nuts and sort of grouchy too.

are those 3 of the Ebola dwarfs?

*Names of Ebola Dwarves*
Don't forget "giggles". We call him that because his laugh is so infectious.

 

[greysage]

I keep wondering how HIPAA regulations play into this. Are they violating peoples' HIPPA rights when they release info? Is this why we haven't heard about Duncan's family?

 

[Parakeet]

BS, Doug. Everyone here is going friggin nuts.

The CDC or any entity with such authority in their right mind is NOT going to parade them out until AT LEAST the 21 days are up. They would be a fool to do so.

You may very well be right, but I just want to point out that the daughter and her family, who had as much direct exposure to Duncan as those living in the apt, have already been released from their quarantine and I have yet to see any public outrage over it.

 

[Mprepared]

I keep wondering how HIPAA regulations play into this. Are they violating peoples' HIPPA rights when they release info? Is this why we haven't heard about Duncan's family?

I wondered that too. They could be in a hospital being treated right now and by law we would not be allowed to know about it if they wished that. Something like that. Not sure about what they have to tell us in regards to illness or death. I just now wondered about those papers the deputy or somebody brought for the family to sign.

 

[BertaBurtonLake]

And he DID present with SOME symptoms yesterday at the CareNow Clinic. You do not have to present with ALL symptoms. They ASSESSED him on the ground and based on those evidences he SCORED high enough to be worthy of moon suits and isolation and EBOLA TESTING. The TEST came back NEGATIVE.

We have NOT yet heard (at least I haven't) whether he is now going to be released or whether they are going to keep him and re-test in a couple of days...which is also not uncommon "just in case". What I DID hear and see posted was that he is "feeling better" i.e. he has less or no symptoms today.

...which is NOT consistent with Ebola. Symptomatic Ebola patients typically see sx increase in severity and additional sx come on board as the disease progresses.

 

[Possible Impact]

Ken Kalthoff @KenKalthoffNBC5 · 2h
@JudgeClayJ says all 48 possible #DallasEbola contacts
still show no signs of infection. @NBCDFW




NBC DFW @NBCDFW · 2h
CareNow Clinic in Frisco Remains Closed
http://on.nbcdfw.com/400F6uP




Julie Fine @JulieFineNBC5 · 1h
Louise Troh's associate pastor tells us
nobody who is with her has shown any signs of Ebola @NBCDFW




Jeff Smith @JeffSmithNBC5 · 8h
NEW: The Cleaning Guys had 13-person team
clean Duncan's hospital room & hallways.
Took away his bedding, clothes, nurses scrubs,etc @NBCDFW



Jeff Smith @JeffSmithNBC5 · 8h
13-person Hazardous Materials cleaning crew spent hours
cleaning #DallasEbola hospital room.
"It was an all night job" @NBCDFW



Jeff Smith @JeffSmithNBC5 · 5h
The Cleaning Guys team says
they disinfected 6 hospital rooms, 3 auxiliary rooms, the nurse's station,
and 2 hallways #DallasEbola @NBCDFW

 

[DuckandCover]

In this day and age, they could have had them there via video link, so Louise or other "loved ones" could have eulogized him. These people haven't been seen or heard from in days- after being highly visible and voluntarily giving interviews to anyone who asked until they were whisked away. I don't see any other possible conclusion except that they are- at the least- showing symptoms, and at worst, in serious to critical condition somewhere.

Summerthyme

I do expect to see other cases from this family. Perhaps all of them. I was just pointing out that no matter what is done, there can be criticism of it.

 

[summerthyme]

...which is NOT consistent with Ebola. Symptomatic Ebola patients typically see sx increase in severity and additional sx come on board as the disease progresses.

Right. And I REALLY hope he continues to improve... we *don't* want to think about what this could be like if it turns out he managed to catch it from several day old fomites in a warm apartment!!

However- as someone pointed out above, Dr Brantly DID test negative after developing a fever and other symptoms. He's not the only one, either, although I can't find any other specific cases right at the moment to quote. Still, as I said above, it would be entirely plausible and possible for this poor sucker to develop "psychosomatic symptoms", which are NOT "all in your head", but which are caused by anxiety and fear, and which could have been exacerbated by any "symptoms" common to people as they get older and heavier. If I freaked out every time I had muscle or joint pain, or my back hurt (happens almost every time the weather changes around here), I'd be in deep sh*t. However, if I'd been exposed to Ebola, even tangentially, I can really see how it would be difficult to NOT worry about every minor ache and pain, until it became obvious after several days that nothing was getting worse.

I do hope they keep this guy for at least another 48 hours, though, to be absolutely SURE he's not going to get sicker.

Summerthyme

 

[BertaBurtonLake]

Right. And I REALLY hope he continues to improve... we *don't* want to think about what this could be like if it turns out he managed to catch it from several day old fomites in a warm apartment!!

However- as someone pointed out above, Dr Brantly DID test negative after developing a fever and other symptoms. He's not the only one, either, although I can't find any other specific cases right at the moment to quote. Still, as I said above, it would be entirely plausible and possible for this poor sucker to develop "psychosomatic symptoms", which are NOT "all in your head", but which are caused by anxiety and fear, and which could have been exacerbated by any "symptoms" common to people as they get older and heavier. If I freaked out every time I had muscle or joint pain, or my back hurt (happens almost every time the weather changes around here), I'd be in deep sh*t. However, if I'd been exposed to Ebola, even tangentially, I can really see how it would be difficult to NOT worry about every minor ache and pain, until it became obvious after several days that nothing was getting worse.

I do hope they keep this guy for at least another 48 hours, though, to be absolutely SURE he's not going to get sicker.

Summerthyme

I agree. As someone with an auto-immune disease, I am very familiar with the ebb and flow of an illness. The change of seasons is often enough to bring on a flare regardless of diet, supplements, treatment, activity level, etc. Having said that, if I had been exposed to Ebola under the conditions this Sheriff was, I would be very aware of any and all escalations of sx with a weather eye to additional sx NOT representative of my particular illness or age (such as nausea, vomiting, diarrhea). I DO hope they re-test him before releasing him as a case of 'nobola'.

 

[jazzy]

first i heard of the memorial service for duncan at the church louise went to. i know the pastor has issued a statement or 2 on her behalf but---if louise was doing ok, why didnt they at least skype to be a part of the service? sure it is logical they did not break quarantine to attend, but hey, a skype could not at least be set up? how hard is that? come on.......

no communication, except by a spokesperson and ive read the statement, that aint louise talking, waaay too polished, and no interviews or phone calls, nothing.

true there is no Proof she is ill, but there sure is no proof she is fine and dandy, which would be real simple to provide with a video interview/ skype to show people she and the others with her are healthy and just waiting out the quarantine to put to rest fears and speculation. the memorial service would have been the perfect time to do this amongst her friends and other family members. or give a short message of thanks for all the kindness and prayers, something......

im just not buying that she is not infected, id like to think so, but actions speak louder than words.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

We are now 10 days away from the 21 day mark for the immediate family, starting from 9/28 when he went to the hospital. So this is about the halfway point. October 19th will be the 21st day.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

first i heard of the memorial service for duncan at the church louise went to. i know the pastor has issued a statement or 2 on her behalf but---if louise was doing ok, why didnt they at least skype to be a part of the service? sure it is logical they did not break quarantine to attend, but hey, a skype could not at least be set up? how hard is that? come on.......

no communication, except by a spokesperson and ive read the statement, that aint louise talking, waaay too polished, and no interviews or phone calls, nothing.

true there is no Proof she is ill, but there sure is no proof she is fine and dandy, which would be real simple to provide with a video interview/ skype to show people she and the others with her are healthy and just waiting out the quarantine to put to rest fears and speculation. the memorial service would have been the perfect time to do this amongst her friends and other family members. or give a short message of thanks for all the kindness and prayers, something......

im just not buying that she is not infected, id like to think so, but actions speak louder than words.

I have seen no evidence that they DIDN'T Skype or otherwise broadcast the service...have you? The pastor mentions he has not talked to Louise "since the service" or did I mis-hear that? it is in the last few seconds of that clip.

 

[BertaBurtonLake]

We are now 10 days away from the 21 day mark for the immediate family, starting from 9/28 when he went to the hospital. So this is about the halfway point. October 19th will be the 21st day.

Add to that an additional 21 days, for a total of 42, before the "all clear" can be sounded. That will take us to Nov. 9.