night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Different kinds of in trouble....
ALERT 6 Dams at Serious Risk of Failing from Montana to Missouri - Expert says
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big kumara
meh
OK, I'm confused.
Brad Lawrence says the dams are in trouble, and he is to be believed, because he is an expert. (Post 57: http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...to-Missouri-Expert-says&p=4105585#post4105585).
Dr. Shanks says the dams are in trouble, but he is NOT to be believed, because he works for an environmental agency now---even though what he says agrees with what Brad Lawrence says---that the dams are in trouble and could be in danger of failure. (initially quoted in Post 52, http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...to-Missouri-Expert-says&p=4105579#post4105579, and fully quoted in post 97, http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...to-Missouri-Expert-says&p=4106436#post4106436).
You're saying, if I understand you correctly---"Believe this one, but don't believe that one--even though they are both saying the same thing."
Brad Lawrence was talking about timing of water releases, not dam integrity. So yeah, different kind of trouble. You need to go back and read the actual articles, not just the sound bites.
Sleeping Cobra
TB Fanatic
Video: Yankton S.D. Gavins Point Dam Helicopter 6/26/11
Monitoring of the river and Dam from a Helicopter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AllfbJVWXcQ
Remember the rumor of this dam? Maybe why the helicopter.
Monitoring of the river and Dam from a Helicopter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AllfbJVWXcQ
Remember the rumor of this dam? Maybe why the helicopter.
nharrold
Deceased
Apparently the rumor hasn't reached all those folks in the parking lot; or maybe American Idol has started yet...
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Sorry---I was going with Kent's summation of Lawrence, whom he said was a true expert, and his quoting Lawrence saying the dams were in trouble, with the implication being because they aren't releasing enough water, and thus there is TOO MUCH PRESSURE being put on the dams---which would tend to indicate possible structural failure. Did I miss something there?
Kent
Inactive
Sorry for the confusion. Bud Lawrence was warning that water should have been released in February to prevent the flooding we are now seeing, not to save the dams. He is not worried about the dams breaking, he is angry that much of the flood damage could have been prevented if water had been released earlier.
The environmental people have done a good job of tying the Army Corps hands in changing water flow from a dam. I can tell you this from personal experience.
jehu
Mapper of Landmarks
"There are some issues at the moment"
This is the one that has me concerned.
Big Bend Dam - Link to Youtube video
There is "back-cutting" taking place.
(Think that those rocks they dumped are going to do anything except make a little splash once that hill erodes to that point?)
I believe that this is the first time that they have EVER had their floodgates open.
Also there is no major resoirvoir behind this dam so it is tied to the flow at Gavin Point which is in a position of having to dump all kinds of water due the the size, pressure, and build up of water behind it.
If water flow continues as is (and i don't see any immediate relief in sight) this erosion is going to be a MAJOR issue.
Do we need to point out the consuequences to Ft Calhoun if it goes?
This is the one that has me concerned.
Big Bend Dam - Link to Youtube video
There is "back-cutting" taking place.
(Think that those rocks they dumped are going to do anything except make a little splash once that hill erodes to that point?)
I believe that this is the first time that they have EVER had their floodgates open.
Also there is no major resoirvoir behind this dam so it is tied to the flow at Gavin Point which is in a position of having to dump all kinds of water due the the size, pressure, and build up of water behind it.
If water flow continues as is (and i don't see any immediate relief in sight) this erosion is going to be a MAJOR issue.
Do we need to point out the consuequences to Ft Calhoun if it goes?
They are going to blow the dam at Gavin Point.
http://www.truthwinds.com/siterun_data/environment/water_flooding/news.php?q=1309367488
just recieved a call from my best freind. He informed me that one of his drivers has a freind who is an Engineer at Gavins Point Dam on the SD/NE line.
The face of Gavins Point Dam is cracking under the preasure of the floodwater buildup and could burst soon.
Military men have just completed the setting of charges on 25% of the face of the dam in preparation to blow it if the dam continues to crack. They are afraid the dam is going to give way and in an effort to save most of it, they have set charges to blow it in an attempt to relieve some of the preasure of the floodwaters.
This will spell catastrophic results for EVERYTHING downriver.....including Omaha's riverfront and a good portion of downtown.
As you know, ALL photography is banned at the Ft. Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant and a 3 mile "no-fly" zone has been implimented which is roughly 15 miles due north of my house because it's apparently under water as I write this to you. Last week they are reported to have had a level 4 emergency fire which affected the coolant of the rods but was dealt with quickly and no damage occured at that time. However, if the dam is blown, the results could be Biblical in proportion...
This week, the decision was made by my employer to prepare to lose our shop of over 40 years and move it if the floodwaters come down the street which they very well could do in the next 2-3 weeks but if the dam is blown, we could maybe have 3-4 days notice at best.
http://www.truthwinds.com/siterun_data/environment/water_flooding/news.php?q=1309367488
just recieved a call from my best freind. He informed me that one of his drivers has a freind who is an Engineer at Gavins Point Dam on the SD/NE line.
The face of Gavins Point Dam is cracking under the preasure of the floodwater buildup and could burst soon.
Military men have just completed the setting of charges on 25% of the face of the dam in preparation to blow it if the dam continues to crack. They are afraid the dam is going to give way and in an effort to save most of it, they have set charges to blow it in an attempt to relieve some of the preasure of the floodwaters.
This will spell catastrophic results for EVERYTHING downriver.....including Omaha's riverfront and a good portion of downtown.
As you know, ALL photography is banned at the Ft. Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant and a 3 mile "no-fly" zone has been implimented which is roughly 15 miles due north of my house because it's apparently under water as I write this to you. Last week they are reported to have had a level 4 emergency fire which affected the coolant of the rods but was dealt with quickly and no damage occured at that time. However, if the dam is blown, the results could be Biblical in proportion...
This week, the decision was made by my employer to prepare to lose our shop of over 40 years and move it if the floodwaters come down the street which they very well could do in the next 2-3 weeks but if the dam is blown, we could maybe have 3-4 days notice at best.
big kumara
meh
Lake Sharpe (the reservoir formed by Big Bend Dam) is 3-4 times the size of Lewis and Clark Lake (the reservoir formed by Gavins Point Dam). Lake Francis Case is formed by the Fort Randall Dam, between Lake Sharpe and Lewis and Clark Lake. Lake Francis Case is about 4 times the size of Lake Sharpe.
Sleeping Cobra
TB Fanatic
Jehu, thank you for posting this. I was going to post the video but i couldn't get on for awhile. When i did, i forgot to post the video.
Sleeping Cobra
TB Fanatic
Video: Big Bend Dam Back-Cutting
Also in the video @ .30 seconds, you can see water where the trees are in the back ground. I looked and in other videos the water is not there. This may be trouble.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAIg4YOFhpw
Also in the video @ .30 seconds, you can see water where the trees are in the back ground. I looked and in other videos the water is not there. This may be trouble.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAIg4YOFhpw
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Oh my.
Watch the video especially from the 40 second mark on.
If you pause it often and take a good look, you can indeed see the "massive erosion" she is talking about, and has filmed, on the other side of the channel where the water is being released from the spillway, and how the water is level with the ground and the side wall leading back toward the dam and is, apparently, eating its way back up toward the dam. The problem is apparently concerning enough to officials that they have begun dumping of truckloads of enormous rocks between the water and the dam, trying to stop the water from flowing back toward the dam behind this retaining wall.
The narrator relates: (Quoting her words
"On the far side there, a truck just deposited rocks, according to an official that just gave us a warning about trespassing. Those rocks are there because there are some issues about erosion. They're worried about the water cutting into this part of the dam construction into the opposite bank. As you can see, there's massive erosion going on there. According to this official, the Corps hadn't really counted on this kind of erosion happening....in his words, 'There are some issues at the moment'. Of course, no one knows how serious these issues are because no one's talking about them."
Sleeping Cobra
TB Fanatic
Russia Today:
Fort Calhoun Nuclear Plant Mandatory Evacuation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnBr0Vqa_4g
Fort Calhoun Nuclear Plant Mandatory Evacuation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnBr0Vqa_4g
Sleeping Cobra
TB Fanatic
Big Bend Dam Spillway Gates Open
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qco4dyMEX-Y
@ .30 seconds you can see what it looked like before the erosion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qco4dyMEX-Y
@ .30 seconds you can see what it looked like before the erosion.
NWPhotog
Veteran Member
ME - I have walked on the turbine at Gavins Point during an inspection. I have toured Fort Randall. The upper dams - no
P.S There is no concrete core to the earthen part of Gavins Point.
Construction of Gavins Point Dam -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YX8Yvd5XP8
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Get a grip? Tell it to the NWO. They're the ones planning to reduce the world population down to 600 million. How do you expect they're going to do that? By asking us nicely to choke on our tongues? They're going to MASS MURDER US....... So no, these are not stupid conspiracy theories; just theories, until the bodies finally pile up, at which point the net will probably be offline so we will all be deprived of our gloat time.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
If both of you go back and read this whole thread you will both see that what you have posted is, well, considerably less than accurate.
I like the sourcing on the blow the dam e-mail. That's a long chain that only left out the brother-in-law and the cousin.
As to the RT article, if you go back to the ORIGINAL ABC affiliate clip, you will find that a bimbette reporter mis-speaks, and their video of the NRC boss is about PLANNING.
The NOTAMS is for (IIRC) 0 to 3000 ft, and abvove 3000 you are fine to fly over.
These are FUD reports, sorry.
Sleeping Cobra
TB Fanatic
Gavins Point Dam 10-27-2010
Windy day at Gavins Point Dam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7QfpPZAIyE
Windy day at Gavins Point Dam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7QfpPZAIyE
big kumara
meh
That's nothing...you should see it when the wind really blows. You get a strong wind out of the west, it makes big waves, waves crash against the spillway gates and some water splashes over.
Tom McDowell
BAMN
Levee Intentionally Breached Along Missouri River
Levee Intentionally Breached Along Missouri River
Authorities Investigate Detonation
http://www.ketv.com/r/28421608/detail.html
POSTED: 1:25 pm CDT July 1, 2011
UPDATED: 6:13 pm CDT July 1, 2011
LOVELAND, Iowa -- Authorities are investigating an intentional breach in a levee near Desoto Bend.
Pottawattamie County officials said a half-mile stretch of the Vanmann #30 levee was mechanically excavated and then lowered by using explosives. The private levee is just north of the Boyer Chute National Wildlife Refuge, northwest of Honey Creek.
So far, emergency management officials said they've seen no damage as a result of the levee breach, but they have fielded plenty of phone calls about it.
Emergency Management Coordinator Jeff Theulen said he was alerted Friday morning that the levee may have been in the process of being intentionally breached. About 20 minutes later, officials said they received calls from people wanting to know why levees were being blown up. One caller claimed to have witnessed the explosion.
Pottawattamie County officials said no government entity had anything to do with the detonation, and they did not have advance notice from the people responsible for the breach.
Vanmann #30 is an agricultural levee, controlled by a local levee board -- not county or federal officials. The board members wanted to protect their crop land, so they built up the levee, according to officials. When a levee farther north breached, it caused water to pool in the area, flooding more land.
The group then started talks with officials about breaching Vanmann #30 to allow the water to go back into the Missouri River.
On June 28, the Iowa Department of Natural Resources said it did not regulate the levee in question. The Army Corps of Engineers initially said it would not approve the breach of the levee. But Friday morning, the Corps also said it did not have authority to regulate the Vanmann #30 levee.
It's unclear whether the group needed permission to lower the levee or if the group is even responsible for this morning's explosion.
According to the Pottawattamie County Assessor's Office, trustees of a levee district ordinarily have control over levees in their jurisdiction. But the county attorney's office is investigating the possibility of charges and whether the people responsible obtained the explosives illegally.
related
Updated: 7:17 PM Jul 1, 2011
Explosives Used to Breach Levee, Investigation Underway
Explosives blew apart a levee in Pottawattamie County, Iowa Friday morning. Since the levee is private, there doesn't appear to be any laws broken, according to the county attorney.
Posted: 1:41 PM Jul 1, 2011
Reporter: Brian Mastre, Gary Smollen
Email Address: sixonline@wowt.com
http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/124871614.html
An investigation is underway to make sure the explosives were in the hands of a licensed commercial operator.
According to a news release, a group of private citizens representing the Vanman #30 levee intentionally breached a half-mile stretch of levee from river mile marker 637 to 637.5 around 10 a.m. A good portion of it was mechanically excavated so that floodwater on the farm ground could go back to the river.
County Attorney Matt Wilber said he is disappointed no one told the county about the decision to go forward with the breach. "There are tens of thousands of citizens on both sides of the river who are affected by the flooding on the Missouri River and private activities such as this, which have the potential to affect those lives should not be undertaken without a full consideration of the consequences."
Wilber went on to say that the Army Corps of Engineers indicated it had no authority to regulate this levee since it is not a federal levee. The blown levee is just a few miles south of Highway 30 near the De Soto National Park.
Wilber said because this was a private levee, there probably was no crime, but he is moving ahead with the investigation.
"These levees are saturated. We have the most water on them for the longest period of time we've ever had. This levee gets blown and we saw a several inch rise in the river shortly thereafter, so even a three or four inch pulse coming down the river when we're looking at every half inch as being significant is a fairly big event."
Wilber says the "pulse" of water has passed the Omaha/Council Bluffs area without any reported damage, but he added, the risk to everyone south of the Harrison and Pottawattamie County line was simply too great.
Channel 6 News did try and contact the chairman and clerk of the private levee system, but no one could comment.
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Levee Intentionally Breached Along Missouri River
Authorities Investigate Detonation
http://www.ketv.com/r/28421608/detail.html
POSTED: 1:25 pm CDT July 1, 2011
UPDATED: 6:13 pm CDT July 1, 2011
LOVELAND, Iowa -- Authorities are investigating an intentional breach in a levee near Desoto Bend.
Pottawattamie County officials said a half-mile stretch of the Vanmann #30 levee was mechanically excavated and then lowered by using explosives. The private levee is just north of the Boyer Chute National Wildlife Refuge, northwest of Honey Creek.
So far, emergency management officials said they've seen no damage as a result of the levee breach, but they have fielded plenty of phone calls about it.
Emergency Management Coordinator Jeff Theulen said he was alerted Friday morning that the levee may have been in the process of being intentionally breached. About 20 minutes later, officials said they received calls from people wanting to know why levees were being blown up. One caller claimed to have witnessed the explosion.
Pottawattamie County officials said no government entity had anything to do with the detonation, and they did not have advance notice from the people responsible for the breach.
Vanmann #30 is an agricultural levee, controlled by a local levee board -- not county or federal officials. The board members wanted to protect their crop land, so they built up the levee, according to officials. When a levee farther north breached, it caused water to pool in the area, flooding more land.
The group then started talks with officials about breaching Vanmann #30 to allow the water to go back into the Missouri River.
On June 28, the Iowa Department of Natural Resources said it did not regulate the levee in question. The Army Corps of Engineers initially said it would not approve the breach of the levee. But Friday morning, the Corps also said it did not have authority to regulate the Vanmann #30 levee.
It's unclear whether the group needed permission to lower the levee or if the group is even responsible for this morning's explosion.
According to the Pottawattamie County Assessor's Office, trustees of a levee district ordinarily have control over levees in their jurisdiction. But the county attorney's office is investigating the possibility of charges and whether the people responsible obtained the explosives illegally.
related
Updated: 7:17 PM Jul 1, 2011
Explosives Used to Breach Levee, Investigation Underway
Explosives blew apart a levee in Pottawattamie County, Iowa Friday morning. Since the levee is private, there doesn't appear to be any laws broken, according to the county attorney.
Posted: 1:41 PM Jul 1, 2011
Reporter: Brian Mastre, Gary Smollen
Email Address: sixonline@wowt.com
http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/124871614.html
An investigation is underway to make sure the explosives were in the hands of a licensed commercial operator.
According to a news release, a group of private citizens representing the Vanman #30 levee intentionally breached a half-mile stretch of levee from river mile marker 637 to 637.5 around 10 a.m. A good portion of it was mechanically excavated so that floodwater on the farm ground could go back to the river.
County Attorney Matt Wilber said he is disappointed no one told the county about the decision to go forward with the breach. "There are tens of thousands of citizens on both sides of the river who are affected by the flooding on the Missouri River and private activities such as this, which have the potential to affect those lives should not be undertaken without a full consideration of the consequences."
Wilber went on to say that the Army Corps of Engineers indicated it had no authority to regulate this levee since it is not a federal levee. The blown levee is just a few miles south of Highway 30 near the De Soto National Park.
Wilber said because this was a private levee, there probably was no crime, but he is moving ahead with the investigation.
"These levees are saturated. We have the most water on them for the longest period of time we've ever had. This levee gets blown and we saw a several inch rise in the river shortly thereafter, so even a three or four inch pulse coming down the river when we're looking at every half inch as being significant is a fairly big event."
Wilber says the "pulse" of water has passed the Omaha/Council Bluffs area without any reported damage, but he added, the risk to everyone south of the Harrison and Pottawattamie County line was simply too great.
Channel 6 News did try and contact the chairman and clerk of the private levee system, but no one could comment.
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Michiana MaJo
Deceased
A radio program I listened to reported that the govt. has sent out letters to owners of property that has been flooded, offering to buy it up, at low rates, of course. When people became suspicious, the govt. backtracked, and said the letters were premature, or something like that!
A very strong possibility that I have heard mentioned is that this disastrous flooding was done, in order to cause the owners to want to move out, since the land won't be suitable for growing crops, after all these contaminants poured down it, not to mention the good soil being washed away and replaced by sand.
For any of you who have read about the "Wildlands Project", we know that TPTB want over half the country reserved for only wild life, with huge corridors to be given up to animals (and the elite.) They want the rest of us to be crowded into more congested areas, in order to control us.
This whole thing smacks of that!
i would like to hear some human interest stories about the people who have been uprooted. Where did they all go? Did most of them lose almost everything, in the process? What about their animals, and how could farmers possibly take their livestock out of harm, in time---were the poor animals left to fend for themselves in the flood waters? We aren't being told anything about the results of this tragic upheaval of life and property.
I also heard that since this was not considered an act of God, by the insurance companies, but a result of actions the Army Corps of Engineers took, to breach the levees, no flood insurance would be payable.
Also, I heard that the people who live a lot farther away from what was formerly called the flood plain, are now being told they live near it, and have to pay more taxes, as a result. One more way to screw the little folk.
A very strong possibility that I have heard mentioned is that this disastrous flooding was done, in order to cause the owners to want to move out, since the land won't be suitable for growing crops, after all these contaminants poured down it, not to mention the good soil being washed away and replaced by sand.
For any of you who have read about the "Wildlands Project", we know that TPTB want over half the country reserved for only wild life, with huge corridors to be given up to animals (and the elite.) They want the rest of us to be crowded into more congested areas, in order to control us.
This whole thing smacks of that!
i would like to hear some human interest stories about the people who have been uprooted. Where did they all go? Did most of them lose almost everything, in the process? What about their animals, and how could farmers possibly take their livestock out of harm, in time---were the poor animals left to fend for themselves in the flood waters? We aren't being told anything about the results of this tragic upheaval of life and property.
I also heard that since this was not considered an act of God, by the insurance companies, but a result of actions the Army Corps of Engineers took, to breach the levees, no flood insurance would be payable.
Also, I heard that the people who live a lot farther away from what was formerly called the flood plain, are now being told they live near it, and have to pay more taxes, as a result. One more way to screw the little folk.
big kumara
meh
i would like to hear some human interest stories about the people who have been uprooted. Where did they all go? Did most of them lose almost everything, in the process? What about their animals, and how could farmers possibly take their livestock out of harm, in time---were the poor animals left to fend for themselves in the flood waters? We aren't being told anything about the results of this tragic upheaval of life and property.
This is a slow motion flood. Around here, people had advanced warning that the water was coming. Those in the flood zone sandbagged and built temporary levies and moved their belongings out of their homes. Pets and livestock were moved. There were lots of stories in the news back in the middle of June while it was happening. There isn't much news now, because nothing new has happened.
I also heard that since this was not considered an act of God, by the insurance companies, but a result of actions the Army Corps of Engineers took, to breach the levees, no flood insurance would be payable.
As I said in the other thread, that is untrue. Anyone with flood insurance is covered. Those without flood insurance would not be covered. Farmers with crop insurance are covered, those without are not. Both will be eligible for federal help if their county is declared a disaster zone. Again, this has been covered in past news articles. Look it up yourself--don't rely on rumors.
Also, I heard that the people who live a lot farther away from what was formerly called the flood plain, are now being told they live near it, and have to pay more taxes, as a result. One more way to screw the little folk.
Flood plain maps in South Dakota have been in the process of being updated for the last several years. Yes, there are people who were outside the flood zone who are now in a flood zone because of the new maps. These people are now required to have flood insurance unless they win an appeal--such as their address is in the flood zone, but the house is on a tall enough hill to not flood.
There is no tax increase involved.
Can't speak to what's going on in other states where the flood is still evolving. If you are that interested in the human interest stories, go look them up and post them.
This is a slow motion flood. Around here, people had advanced warning that the water was coming. Those in the flood zone sandbagged and built temporary levies and moved their belongings out of their homes. Pets and livestock were moved. There were lots of stories in the news back in the middle of June while it was happening. There isn't much news now, because nothing new has happened.
I also heard that since this was not considered an act of God, by the insurance companies, but a result of actions the Army Corps of Engineers took, to breach the levees, no flood insurance would be payable.
As I said in the other thread, that is untrue. Anyone with flood insurance is covered. Those without flood insurance would not be covered. Farmers with crop insurance are covered, those without are not. Both will be eligible for federal help if their county is declared a disaster zone. Again, this has been covered in past news articles. Look it up yourself--don't rely on rumors.
Also, I heard that the people who live a lot farther away from what was formerly called the flood plain, are now being told they live near it, and have to pay more taxes, as a result. One more way to screw the little folk.
Flood plain maps in South Dakota have been in the process of being updated for the last several years. Yes, there are people who were outside the flood zone who are now in a flood zone because of the new maps. These people are now required to have flood insurance unless they win an appeal--such as their address is in the flood zone, but the house is on a tall enough hill to not flood.
There is no tax increase involved.
Can't speak to what's going on in other states where the flood is still evolving. If you are that interested in the human interest stories, go look them up and post them.
Michiana MaJo
Deceased
The talk show host I listened to said she personally called an insurance company (I'm not sure if that was plural) and the company confirmed that they would not pay flood insurance on the Missouri flood, because it was caused by the Army Corps of Engineers. If any ins. companies would pull this, I would think others have done it,too.
I had also heard a commentator say these people were not given much notice to evacuate. I have no way of proving this, but it would be interesting to check out, if you knew people who were affected!
I would like to know where most of these thousands of people have gone to....not everyone can move in with families. FEMA camps? They don't take in pets.
I had also heard a commentator say these people were not given much notice to evacuate. I have no way of proving this, but it would be interesting to check out, if you knew people who were affected!
I would like to know where most of these thousands of people have gone to....not everyone can move in with families. FEMA camps? They don't take in pets.
big kumara
meh
Research the insurance question yourself.
There are no FEMA camps here. People who have evacuated are staying with family, friends, at motels, rental housing... many own or have borrowed campers. Most people took their pets with them (or farmed them out), others went to special shelters for flood displaced pets. Like I said earlier, people had time to arrange things.
Are you confusing this flood with the Minot flood? They are not related.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
MMJ I believe the person on the radio has mixed up the Mississippi flood and the Misouri flood in the "man made" side in that the Mississippi flood damage was at least partly due to levees being breached to save further downstream cities. PLUS much of the Mississippi flood was in "Floodway's" which means anyone in them was made aware on a yearly basis that their homes and lands could be flooded that year and they would have no recourse against the Corps.
PCViking
Lutefisk Survivor
Water levels are the issue... this area is fairly flat, so when water rises it covers area, vast area. This has also created a mosquito breeding ground. Other than rubberneckers who are bent on watching car wrecks, train wrecks or flooding... tourism is probably having a bad season in the Big Mo Valley this summer. Posting a clip on TB2K is not going to put some campground out of business.
I see you agree with what Mr Obama said: Too much information is a problem (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB0Paw-bNSg)...
So, the dams are safe for another week... The nuke plants only have a little water and there is enough snow to ski for 4th of July weekend: http://www.bangaloremirror.com/article/81/201107022011070218211621739d68dba/Winter-wonderland.html
http://nation.foxnews.com/climate-change/2011/07/01/alert-gore-skiing-bikinis-july-4th-weekend
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2011-06-22-ski-resorts-stay-open-july-4_n.htm
From my arm chair, it does not appear that the water levels behind the maxed-out dams or on the flooded plains will be decreasing much over the next few months. Which means stressed dams and a bumper crop of mosquitoes.
Btw, don't call me a fear monger... that is insulting. name calling is always a distraction and sign of weakness. That's what liberals do...
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
big kumara
meh
I surrender. Ya'll enjoy your doomfest.
Sleeping Cobra
TB Fanatic
Spillway gates at Big Bend Dam now closed to inspect how water has affected the structure: “We expect repairs when this is done” — June was first time in dam’s history that gates had been opened during a flood
July 1st, 2011 at 06:12 PM
The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers will close the spillway gates at Big Bend Dam [in South Dakota] today to inspect how the water has affected the structure. [...]
On Thursday, the corps began preliminary inspections of the structure and bank erosion, and this morning, the corps started closing the gates. [...]
This is the first time the Corps has opened the spillway gates due to floodwater. The dam was built in 1964. [...]
“We expect repairs when this is done,” [Keith Fink, dam operations project manager] said of the release due to excess water. It will be an all-day event, he added [...]
http://enenews.com/spillway-gates-b...t-time-dams-history-gates-opened-during-flood
July 1st, 2011 at 06:12 PM
The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers will close the spillway gates at Big Bend Dam [in South Dakota] today to inspect how the water has affected the structure. [...]
On Thursday, the corps began preliminary inspections of the structure and bank erosion, and this morning, the corps started closing the gates. [...]
This is the first time the Corps has opened the spillway gates due to floodwater. The dam was built in 1964. [...]
“We expect repairs when this is done,” [Keith Fink, dam operations project manager] said of the release due to excess water. It will be an all-day event, he added [...]
http://enenews.com/spillway-gates-b...t-time-dams-history-gates-opened-during-flood
Sleeping Cobra
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Corps stopping releases at Big Bend Dam upstream of nuke plants to check for possible erosion — High release rates have caused erosion around spillways
July 1st, 2011 at 11:57 AM
Federal regulators want to make certain Nebraska’s flood-threatened nuclear reactors have adequate safety measures in place if a dam breaks upstream, so they have asked the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for its latest analyses on the risks of dam failure. [...]
High release rates have caused erosion in some areas downstream or around the spillways at each of the dams, [John Bertino, head of dam safety for the corps' Omaha district] said.
On Friday, the corps plans to interrupt spillway releases for several hours at Big Bend Dam so it can check there for possible erosion, he said.
“None of the erosion issues are dam safety concerns,” he said. The dams “are performing really well, just like we designed them … they have performed to these levels several times before.”
http://enenews.com/corps-stopping-r...release-rates-caused-erosion-around-spillways
July 1st, 2011 at 11:57 AM
Federal regulators want to make certain Nebraska’s flood-threatened nuclear reactors have adequate safety measures in place if a dam breaks upstream, so they have asked the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for its latest analyses on the risks of dam failure. [...]
High release rates have caused erosion in some areas downstream or around the spillways at each of the dams, [John Bertino, head of dam safety for the corps' Omaha district] said.
On Friday, the corps plans to interrupt spillway releases for several hours at Big Bend Dam so it can check there for possible erosion, he said.
“None of the erosion issues are dam safety concerns,” he said. The dams “are performing really well, just like we designed them … they have performed to these levels several times before.”
http://enenews.com/corps-stopping-r...release-rates-caused-erosion-around-spillways
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More government lies to assure the public of its safety. This story is self contradictory, the author is almost certainly right when she states that the spill gates are releasing record levels of water. But in the last paragraph the government’s spoke says that they have performed to this level several times before.
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More government lies to assure the public of its safety. This story is self contradictory, the author is almost certainly right when she states that the spill gates are releasing record levels of water. But in the last paragraph the government’s spoke says that they have performed to this level several times before.
http://enenews.com/corps-stopping-r...release-rates-caused-erosion-around-spillways
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Corps Will Close, Inspect Gates to Spillway at Big Bend Dam
July 1--FORT THOMPSON -- The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers will close the spillway gates at Big Bend Dam today to inspect how the water has affected the structure.
Keith Fink, dam operations project manager, said the gates are currently open 9.5 feet. On Thursday, the corps began preliminary inspections of the structure and bank erosion, and this morning, the corps started closing the gates.
"We'll move all the gates a foot at a time and inspect them as normal," Fink said Thursday.
This is the first time the Corps has opened the spillway gates due to floodwater. The dam was built in 1964.
Once all the gates are closed, personnel will inspect the concrete apron, wing walls and dissipation pillars. The wing walls curve out toward the end of the concrete apron. The dissipation pillars are 4 feet by 4 feet square and 12 feet tall, curbing the water's force as it goes down the spillway, Fink said.
"We expect repairs when this is done," Fink said of the release due to excess water.
It will be an all-day event, he added, and will include some work by Indian Health Services to the Crow Creek Indian Reservation flow intake for the water treatment plant. The Bureau of Indian Affairs, the corps and Sen. John Thune's office have also been looking into a temporary solution for the issue.
Water plant personnel recently reported more sediment clogging the filters, reducing the reservation's ability to produce drinkable water by 50 percent, Fink said.
"Water treatment personnel had to frequently remove filters, clean filters and reinstall filters," he said.
The intake is located directly in front of the spillway. While the gates are closed, a diver will install a temporary intake 6 feet higher than the current one. Once the high flows are done, the temporary intake will be removed, Fink said.
The entire operation will be completed today, with the corps reopening the spillway gates.
http://enr.construction.com/yb/enr/article.aspx?story_id=160861497
July 1--FORT THOMPSON -- The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers will close the spillway gates at Big Bend Dam today to inspect how the water has affected the structure.
Keith Fink, dam operations project manager, said the gates are currently open 9.5 feet. On Thursday, the corps began preliminary inspections of the structure and bank erosion, and this morning, the corps started closing the gates.
"We'll move all the gates a foot at a time and inspect them as normal," Fink said Thursday.
This is the first time the Corps has opened the spillway gates due to floodwater. The dam was built in 1964.
Once all the gates are closed, personnel will inspect the concrete apron, wing walls and dissipation pillars. The wing walls curve out toward the end of the concrete apron. The dissipation pillars are 4 feet by 4 feet square and 12 feet tall, curbing the water's force as it goes down the spillway, Fink said.
"We expect repairs when this is done," Fink said of the release due to excess water.
It will be an all-day event, he added, and will include some work by Indian Health Services to the Crow Creek Indian Reservation flow intake for the water treatment plant. The Bureau of Indian Affairs, the corps and Sen. John Thune's office have also been looking into a temporary solution for the issue.
Water plant personnel recently reported more sediment clogging the filters, reducing the reservation's ability to produce drinkable water by 50 percent, Fink said.
"Water treatment personnel had to frequently remove filters, clean filters and reinstall filters," he said.
The intake is located directly in front of the spillway. While the gates are closed, a diver will install a temporary intake 6 feet higher than the current one. Once the high flows are done, the temporary intake will be removed, Fink said.
The entire operation will be completed today, with the corps reopening the spillway gates.
http://enr.construction.com/yb/enr/article.aspx?story_id=160861497
Sleeping Cobra---First, many thanks for your hard work and attention to this story.
Re: your post on the 26 comments on the enenews story on the release-stop at Big Bend (#152)---there are errors/misinformation in the comments which need correction:
---The "blown levee" is NOT north of the Fort Calhoun power station; it is south of there (Iowa side, across from north end Boyer Chute Wildlife Refuge)---this is east of the town of Fort Calhoun, NE, but the power station is well north of the town. The levee story has been adequately covered on this board but for those who don't know what happened, www.ketv.com has stories on it.
---There was comment mention of a possible levee to be blown in the Plattsmouth area---not true as far as anyone here knows.
---Comments regarding Iowa National Guard troops and an evacuated apartment complex: NG troops are patrolling the levee on the east (Iowa)side of the Bob Kerrey Pedestrian Bridge from Omaha to Council Bluffs, because the water is approaching the levee on the Iowa side. There is a hike/bike trail on the top of that levee which connects to the bridge. The trail and access to the bridge on the Iowa side are restricted because of the high water. The apartment complex in question is just the other side of the levee (it is not an especially high levee, considering) and would be in trouble if the levee breaches there (possible because of the curve of the river at that point, the Iowa side gets the churning action) or if the water overtops it.
Re: your post on the 26 comments on the enenews story on the release-stop at Big Bend (#152)---there are errors/misinformation in the comments which need correction:
---The "blown levee" is NOT north of the Fort Calhoun power station; it is south of there (Iowa side, across from north end Boyer Chute Wildlife Refuge)---this is east of the town of Fort Calhoun, NE, but the power station is well north of the town. The levee story has been adequately covered on this board but for those who don't know what happened, www.ketv.com has stories on it.
---There was comment mention of a possible levee to be blown in the Plattsmouth area---not true as far as anyone here knows.
---Comments regarding Iowa National Guard troops and an evacuated apartment complex: NG troops are patrolling the levee on the east (Iowa)side of the Bob Kerrey Pedestrian Bridge from Omaha to Council Bluffs, because the water is approaching the levee on the Iowa side. There is a hike/bike trail on the top of that levee which connects to the bridge. The trail and access to the bridge on the Iowa side are restricted because of the high water. The apartment complex in question is just the other side of the levee (it is not an especially high levee, considering) and would be in trouble if the levee breaches there (possible because of the curve of the river at that point, the Iowa side gets the churning action) or if the water overtops it.