Volcano Update 2 - Additional vents opening -Volcano on La Palma island in the Canary Islands has erupted

CaryC

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Maybe this will help some:

Volcano Erupts On Spain's Canary Islands Following Earthquake Swarm
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The Spanish Canary island of La Palma has experienced a volcanic eruption after a swarm of earthquakes had been recorded in the last week.

Ahead of the eruption, a 3.2-magnitude earthquake was recorded just 300 feet below the surface on Saturday. On Sunday morning, more tremors were felt ahead of the eruption that spewed a large cloud of dust and smoke into the air.
The swarm of earthquakes began around the Cumbre Vieja area on Sept. 11. Since then, more than 6,600 small earthquakes have been registered in the area. We first noted the possibility of eruption last Wednesday when the Volcanological Institute of the Canary Islands (Involcan) said there's reason to believe the seismic swarm is due to magma slowly rising to the surface.

Last week, local officials reported a sensor at the volcano took a reading of the "highest Helium-3 levels in 30-years." The gas is considered a message from the mantel about future volcanic activity.

Cumbre Vieja volcano has been the talk of some wild theories, such as, if the eruption is large enough, it could unleash a megatsunami. Steven Ward first explained this theory in research from the Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics, University of California, Santa Cruz, California, two decades ago.


The volcano last erupted in 1971, considered one of the most active volcanoe of the Canary Islands.
*This story is developing...

Volcano Erupts On Spain's Canary Islands Following Earthquake Swarm | ZeroHedge
 

1911user

Veteran Member
Links to the 2 threads that keep getting mentioned as having useful info, maps, etc:


 

LibertyMom

Senior Member
Where did you get the idea that an eruption guarantees the entire Eastern Seaboard of the US will be wiped-out? No one here has said that. We are simply having a conversation about a threat that IS real, and a situation happening at this minute that relates to that potential threat.

No one here is wallowing in doom, and we are not stupid people drooling in the corner and waiting for someone to tell us how to think, so we do know that there will be other ramifications.

Your condescension is both a childishly obvious attempt to make yourself appear intellectually superior, and completely unwarranted.

Wow!

I didn’t mean it that way at all. My intent was to provide an alternate view. I do live on the East Coast and I do have an interest in geology. I’ve been following all three threads and seeking out info on my own.Not sure that I deserved that kind of rebuke.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
There is a fracture in the volcano on the west side that if there is a sufficient explosive eruption the fractured part of the volcano would sip down into the Atlantic Ocean resulting in a tsunami that could be sufficient to wash across Florida and flood the east coast of America.

Texican....
True, let's hope that doesn't happen, I didn't say it wouldn't happen, I said it wasn't certain that it would either. But the eruption is getting larger and being a fissure eruption, meaning it travels down the line, I am more concerned than I was 2 hours ago.

Or why I have a nearly incomprehensible local TV station on because it always takes me an hour or there for my brain to flip to Venezuelan (or Cuban) Spanish to make sense, much less this station. The newscaster is easier to understand, she's probably studied in mainland Spain (but Castillion is sometimes a bit hard for me to get to).

Think of it as learning English in India and trying to understand someone from Glasgow Scotland.
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
We live in the lowcountry, you can bet I will haul ass if there is a tsunami


You and all of your friends...


Here's a site discussing the potential fallout from a LaPalma generated Tsunami:


Black Swan: Mega-Tsunami

A Mega-Tsunami Is Coming; Can the East Coast Even Prepare?

Could a tsunami destroy everything from Boston to Miami? If it did, would we even stand a chance?

By: Autumn Demberger | July 30, 2018

Topics: August 2018 Issue | Business Interruption | Catastrophe | Claims | Climate Change | Crisis Management | Critical Risks | Global Risk | Property | Supply Chain | Uninsurable Risks



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Scenario: La Palma earned the nickname “the beautiful island” — white sand beaches highlighted by black volcanic soil. An endless night sky filled with stars as far as the eye can see.
But beauty here is only skin deep.
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Nestled on the western side of La Palma sits the Cumbre Vieja volcano, like a pot of water waiting to boil over. Its last big eruption was more than 50 years ago, but everyone knows it’s only a matter of time before it unleashes the beast inside.
It starts with tremors. Glasses rattle on kitchen tables while picture frames skew left and right. Tourists to La Palma brush it off, calling the jelly feeling “sea legs” — they are, after all, on an island.
But the locals know better and they hold their breath. When it does happen, the ash and lava spill out of the volcano’s mouth like a giant sigh. No one could have predicted what happens next.
The western side of the volcano cracks and splits; the steam builds up inside and pushes against the volcano’s walls. The pressure is too much; the entire western flank breaks off, the Atlantic Ocean eagerly swallowing every rock, stone and pebble as they freefall into its deep blue depths. The earth rumbles and the water begins to slosh around as its calm ebb and flow turns into frenzied splashing and crashing.
The waves grow. And they grow and they grow. To the naked eye, it looks like the heavens unleashed a curtain made of water — somehow the volcano’s landslide has produced a tsunami that reaches the sky.


And this mega-tsunami moves fast.
All 3,000 feet of water roars as it barrels away from La Palma’s coast toward the United States. As the most western island of the Canary Islands, La Pa


If a worst - case scenario develops, a mega-tsunami, there likely won't be any east coast ports remaining.
lma sits eight to 10 hours away from the eastern shore by plane. It’s the one piece of good news: Residents have a window of time to evacuate.
But chaos breeds chaos, and soon the highways are clogged with cars, frightened families from Boston to Miami trying to flee inland. A final silver lining: The wave decreases as it sojourns across the Atlantic from a staggering 3,000 to a mere 160 feet.

The wave touches down, flowing onto beaches and flooding bays. Coastal buildings don’t stand a chance; water rushes inland 10 miles along the entire eastern seaboard. Homes are destroyed, countless hotels crumble under the force. Chemical plants that once churned out product by the oceanside spill their toxic waste into the sea.
Beaches up and down the coast account for billions of dollars in tourism revenue each summer. It looks like vacationers might not be able to return for decades thanks to the amount of oils and solvents released.
On top of that, the East Coast is home to 29 percent of the U.S. population. Now they are displaced — their homes destroyed, their cities flooded. Not everyone made it out in time.
It’s not the end of the world, but i


If a worst - case scenario develops, a mega-tsunami, there likely won't be any east coast ports remaining.
t very much feels like it.

Analysis: La Palma’s mega-tsunami is a disaster, no doubt. And — scarily enough — it’s not impossible.
In 1949, the Cumbre Vieja volcano erupted along the coast of La Palma and caused an earthquake that created a mile-long fissure on its east side.

The force of the fissure then caused the volcano’s west side to slip six feet into the Atlantic Ocean. It has since remained in this position, its estimated 1.5 trillion metric tons waiting like a ticking time bomb.
Researcher and scientist Steven Ward, now a research geophysicist at the Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics, UC Santa Cruz, and Simon Day, a senior research associate at the Institute for Risk & Disaster Reduction, University College London, first quantified the features of the La Palma mega-tsunami.
They looked at the geological structure of the volcano and created simulations of the event, which can be seen on Ward’s YouTube channel.

If circumstances align and the volcano erupts powerfully enough, the western half of the volcano could fall into the ocean and create this mega-tsunami scenario in full, the research concluded.
“La Palma is a volcanic island,” said Ward. “It’s built up from ash and lava that pushed out layers like a stack of shingles on a sloping roof. Sometimes, volcano sides become unstable and like that stack of shingles, part of the pile slides off. It’s a common thing [to have] huge pieces of debris fall off.”
“The unusual structural evolution of the volcano, revealed by changes in the distribution of eruption sites over its surface since about 10,000 years ago, could best be explained by the progressive development of a landslide surface under that western flank and consequent weakening,” added Day.
“Satellite radar data has shown that a large section of the west flank is continuing to move very slowly … despite the fact that it is not being pushed by magma rising to the surface within the volcano,” he said.
“La Palma has a lot of water in it,” Ward explained. “The thinking is that in some future eruption, hot magma will reach this water, turn it into steam and the steam will split the mountain.”


A landslide of this scale could send out a mega-tsunami-sized wave. Ward said the hard part is predicting if, or when, the landmass will actually slide into the Atlantic.
Such an event won’t likely come out of the blue, he said. There will be a buildup of volcanic and tectonic activity beforehand that will aid researchers in forecasting a potential disaster.
In fact, earlier this year, residents of the island feared the worst as La Palma encountered more than 40 mini-earthquakes within a 48-hour period. Large tremors stemming from Cumbre Vieja followed soon after, though the volcano never erupted.

A Catastrophe Too Big to Predict
A mega-tsunami is hard to predict and prepare for. On a smaller scale, tsunamis themselves are rare enough events.
“Usually you have significant property and clean-up — and BI damage or costs,” said Ed Mazman, president of property, Ironshore.
Specifically, Mazman said, coastal businesses are most at risk: “A lot of that is hospitality, hotels, resorts. This is a tremendous event, uncontrollable exposures.”
There are ways to prepare for a “typical” tsunami, but when it comes to an event like this and the size of the potential wave, “I don’t think we could really protect against it,” he said.
“It’s like a tornado. You could have a structure prepped for a tornado, but if it’s in the way of a CAT 5, that tornado’s going to win.” — Ed Mazman, president of property, Ironshore
“Firms are thinking about life safety over property damage. You can’t really protect property. If it’s in the path, if it’s close enough — it’s like a tornado. You could have a structure prepped for a tornado, but if it’s in the way of a CAT 5, that tornado’s going to win,” Mazman said.

The best example to look at in terms of damage done is Superstorm Sandy, which hit the East Coast in October 2012.
While Sandy gives an idea of the extent of damage to expect, a mega-tsunami still differs in one glaring way: the area impacted. This is not just one city bearing the brunt of the damage; anything in between Boston and Miami could feel the wrath of the tsunami.
“Every scenario [already modeled] seems to be limited to one geographic area, like a large metropolitan area. If a CAT 5 hurricane were to hit Miami, it’s $150 to $200 billion. This [mega-tsunami] would be at least 10 times that,” said Mazman.
The good news: There’s a window of time for those on the East Coast to evacuate before a mega-tsunami even touches down on land.
“A tsunami travels as fast as a jet airplane, 400 to 500 miles per hour. But the ocean’s pretty big. From La Palma to the East Coast, it would take eight to 10 hours for a mega-tsunami to get there,” Ward explained.
Ed Mazman, president of property, Ironshore
Mazman said that because of this extra time and the fact that the United States is a tech-savvy country, the coast might see a lower loss of life than anticipated from an event like this.

To put it into perspective, in late 2004, a tsunami hit Indonesia after the third-largest recorded earthquake rumbled its way through the Indian Ocean. Nearly 280,000 people were killed by waves measuring as high as 100 feet.
The residents only had 20 minutes between the earthquake and the tsunami hitting land to evacuate — not nearly enough time to even register a tsunami was on its way.
With La Palma’s mega-tsunami, however, Ward said there would be enough activity months in advance, leading up to that final landslide.

Measuring the Environmental Impact of a Mega-Tsunami
With East Coasters safely out of the way, it’s the clean-up that will take the longest.
Petroleum-based fuels and solvents will leave a lasting impact on the environment long after flood waters recede.
After Hurricane Harvey, the CAT 4 hurricane that hit Houston in 2017, several oil and chemical refineries were hit with huge penalties for environmental violations. House and shared water wells had to be cleared of growing bacteria. The air quality took a significant hit as well.


On top of pollutant issues, because of the size and scale of a mega-tsunami, many sea creatures might be displaced or run aground, disrupting deep-water ecosystems.
The scariest factor is the number of nuclear power plants concentrated on the East Coast. In 2011, a 50-foot tsunami hit Japan, disabling the power supply and cooling system for three nuclear reactors in Fukushima, causing them to melt down. Former residents are still waiting to return to the area.
With the potential for nearly 40 East Coast plants to melt down, some areas in the U.S. may never be inhabitable again.

Preparing for the Worst
Though La Palma’s mega-tsunami would be hard to predict and even harder to mitigate the risk, coastal properties can start by investing in flood and storm surge insurance, stabilizing structures with wind and water resilient materials, or adding in water sensors.
Clients would have insurance and be prepared for flood, Mazman said, “but this would have a huge financial impact beyond the insurance industry. It would be interesting to see the view from CAT modeling firms on an event of this magnitude.
“I can’t imagine a loss of that scale. It would be a world-wide disaster. Insurance would not be able to cover enough.”
However, Mazman said: “The one way to prepare would be to add in a warning system. The Pacific and Indian Oceans have one. Does the Atlantic?” &

Autumn Demberger is the content strategist at Risk & Insurance®. She can be reached at demberger@theinstitutes.org.

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Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I don't have a spectacular track record with playing my hunches, but when Katrina came into the Gulf I had a very strong hunch that we needed to get away from the Coast. As a Gulf Coast native, I've been through many hurricanes and and while I respect their power I've never been terrified of them. I just do what needs to be done and get on with it.

With Katrina it was different; I had a palpable sense of dread. I had my family start packing up our converted school bus and we evacuated over two days early. Was this divinely inspired? I honestly don't know, but I didn't ignore the feeling. In the event, Katrina's eye passed directly over our property and we had 27' of water over the ground.

Why am I writing this? Simply because if any of you on the East Coast have a similar sense of dread, or if you believe that the Lord is speaking to you, do not ignore those feelings and evacuate. If you're wrong and nothing happens, it can only cost you a little money, some inconvenience and perhaps some embarrassment. If a tsunami does occur and you ignore your feelings or inspired thought, it can cost you everything.

Best
Doc
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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One of my immediate concerns, if this island should cleave into two parts, is how would any resulting tsunami, mega or not, affect transatlantic shipping?

From what I understand, in open ocean, the wave is not as pronounced.

As the seabed rises to the shore, the wave stacks up and gains height.

The bigger issue would be damage to Atlantic ports.

All those ships and nowhere to unload.


Most of our import crap comes from the chicoms tho. :rolleyes:
 

CaryC

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One of my immediate concerns, if this island should cleave into two parts, is how would any resulting tsunami, mega or not, affect transatlantic shipping?
Hummm mostly for them if will just be a rise in the ocean, as it will be on the east coast, mostly (remember the tsunami in Thailand at Christmas).

However if it is as tall as forecast THEN it might be disruptive.

When you have time go to youtube and google it they have some russian ships riding over some really huge waves.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
There are some spectacular visuals on that local station! Worth watching even if the Spanish is hard to understand - I gather the local town must be Cavasa De Vaca (Cow Head) probably named for the Conquistador of that name.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
From what I understand, in open ocean, the wave is not as pronounced.

As the seabed rises to the shore, the wave stacks up and gains height.

The bigger issue would be damage to Atlantic ports.

All those ships and nowhere to unload.


Most of our import crap comes from the chicoms tho. :rolleyes:
You understand it rightly.

Care to pick the Chalis Cup? LOL
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Where IS the original thread? Why was it moved?

Where IS the original thread? Why was it moved?

It's in the earth changes forum so it doesn't get lost.

 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
The King of Spain has sent a short message, mostly that he is watching the situation and the usual bits about standing by the people of the Canary Islands etc. Went by too fast for me to totally translate.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Hmm... This was alluded to in that (somewhat lurid) insurance article.

If the potential mega-tsunami DOES occur, then there is a potential hit on some number of nuclear power plants here. Not liking that possibility, at all.

Especially when that mass of water hits the East Coast and flexes the North American plate...

and that triggers the New Madrid and other eastern faults.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
The eruption started at about 3:12 this afternoon, 3 hours later (6:06 in the Islands, 7 pm here) it is still ongoing, evacuations on going. We preceded by about 20 quakes, stay tuned to our historical coverage of this eruption!
 

Lone_Hawk

Resident Spook
Especially when that mass of water hits the East Coast and flexes the North American plate...

and that triggers the New Madrid and other eastern faults.

Ok Doomer..... I'm more worried about getting my son and kids out of Norfolk while they are having a relationship shitshow right now... Let's not make it worse...
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Did two more vents just open up? Or was I watching one that says live, but not?
I thought I heard 5 vents but I didn't post because I wasn't sure, as I said, the speakers are very fast except the ones speaking with a "Castillion" accent (Spain official Spanish, sort of like Newsbroadcaster English).

They are now broadcasting from the airport, but I can't understand a word this new guy is saying except volcano which we kind of know already.
 

evenso

Veteran Member
I don't have a spectacular track record with playing my hunches, but when Katrina came into the Gulf I had a very strong hunch that we needed to get away from the Coast. As a Gulf Coast native, I've been through many hurricanes and and while I respect their power I've never been terrified of them. I just do what needs to be done and get on with it.

With Katrina it was different; I had a palpable sense of dread. I had my family start packing up our converted school bus and we evacuated over two days early. Was this divinely inspired? I honestly don't know, but I didn't ignore the feeling. In the event, Katrina's eye passed directly over our property and we had 27' of water over the ground.

Why am I writing this? Simply because if any of you on the East Coast have a similar sense of dread, or if you believe that the Lord is speaking to you, do not ignore those feelings and evacuate. If you're wrong and nothing happens, it can only cost you a little money, some inconvenience and perhaps some embarrassment. If a tsunami does occur and you ignore your feelings or inspired thought, it can cost you everything.

Best
Doc
EXACTLY what I'm thinking. I have alerted family in FL to consider leaving now, *in case* this thing does materialize. Once the news breaks, there will virtually be no way to get out of FL. The roads/interstates will be jammed.

If those of you in potential harms way leave now and nothing happens, you've had a nice little day trip. But if it does happen, you may have saved your life!
 
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