psychgirl
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Well WE know that.
Ya think it’ll ever happen???
DISASTER Train derailment, fire, evacuation in East Palestine (OHIO)
- Thread starter Countrymouse
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Ya think it’ll ever happen???
Have you all looked into the Newly opened Shell 'cracker" chemical plant 16 miles east in Beaver PA, on their 800 acres , 385 acres are the Plant , sitting on the banks of the Ohio River. Plant will be running at full capacity by mid summer. Train was heading there also. Look at all this chem. plant will produce.
Shell also has a plant in Deer Park , TX. where they were going to send the water.
Shell and N . S rail have the same largest investors.
humm? You all a better researchers then I, there must be some dots to connect. East Pal. OH the fall guy for any future problems from this new 6 Billion dollar plant??
Shell also has a plant in Deer Park , TX. where they were going to send the water.
Shell and N . S rail have the same largest investors.
humm? You all a better researchers then I, there must be some dots to connect. East Pal. OH the fall guy for any future problems from this new 6 Billion dollar plant??
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I know bw and psychgirl. You are both right.
The people there are better off living in homeless shelters. Staying in town is killing them.
This is why no one does anything. It is easier to stay where we are at even if it means death. That is how so many are killed in the Holocaust and other similar events.
People just don't know what to do,
they don't have the resources to do any thing,
it is easier to just stay and die.
We are a nation filled with sheep. Stand up for yourself. Get out of your comfort zone. Acting is better then doing nothing. Do not stand in line in front of a trench waiting for your turn to be shot in the back of the head. Get out of town now. Set up a tent in the DC mall. Shit in front of the white house. Dump all trash in front of congress. Sleep on there door steps.
The people there are better off living in homeless shelters. Staying in town is killing them.
This is why no one does anything. It is easier to stay where we are at even if it means death. That is how so many are killed in the Holocaust and other similar events.
People just don't know what to do,
they don't have the resources to do any thing,
it is easier to just stay and die.
We are a nation filled with sheep. Stand up for yourself. Get out of your comfort zone. Acting is better then doing nothing. Do not stand in line in front of a trench waiting for your turn to be shot in the back of the head. Get out of town now. Set up a tent in the DC mall. Shit in front of the white house. Dump all trash in front of congress. Sleep on there door steps.
Blacknarwhal
Let's Go Brandon!
Get locked up in a DC jail. That'll show 'em.
Next, you can cut off your nose to show your face who's boss.
Wildweasel
F-4 Phantoms Phorever
The vinyl chloride was going to be mixed with chemicals extracted from natural gas at the cracker plant to polymerize the vinyl chloride into polyvinyl chloride (PVC) plastic pellets. Those pellets are shipped everywhere for use by plastic product manufacturers as feedstock in injection molding machines.
Over 1,000 new covered hopper cars are waiting in storage all over NY, PA and OH to be sent to that plant to haul product.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Namsgrls
Veteran Member
Same here. Although I don’t live in Grafton itself, I might as well. It’s our mailing address, and I can be downtown in about ten minutes or less. Of course it’s all safe doncha know…. I understand that the residents of Grafton have been fighting Ross Environmental for years to no avail. No end in sight from this mess for a lot of people!
Momof5
Senior Member
I've mentioned it. That's where? I believe a lot of the chemicals were going. The shell plant is huge. My boyfriend and many others that I know have worked there. It helped our economy a lot. But there's a lot of chemicals coming out of those smoked stacks. It's nicknamed the chemical plant. They built a bunch of cancer treatment centers all around it. They just had a big burn off the other day because a chemical was accidentally released.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
If it's doing this to the RR workers---what's it doing to the RESIDENTS?
(who have to STAY there all the time, not just for the shorter "clean-up" period)
www.zerohedge.com
(Posted by Blacknarwhal on the "Animals Dying" thread)
Workers Cleaning Up Toxic Ohio Train Derailment Are Getting Sick, Rail Union Leader Warns
by Tyler Durden
Thursday, Mar 02, 2023 - 10:49 AM
A top union leader penned a letter to Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg about a number of rail workers at the Norfolk Southern derailment site in East Palestine, Ohio, who have become sick, likely from the toxic chemical spill. CNBC obtained the letter on Wednesday.
Jonathan Long, a union representative for the Brotherhood of Maintenance of Way Employees Division of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, titled the letter "Norfolk Southern Is Dangerous to America" and said about 40 workers were ordered by the railway to clean up the wreckage.
Long said workers weren't given proper personal protection equipment to clean up the toxic wreckage. He said many workers weren't supplied respirators, protective clothing, or eye protection.
As a result of the chemical exposure, many rail workers "reported that they continue to experience migraines and nausea, days after the derailment, and they all suspect that they were willingly exposed to these chemicals at the direction of [Norfolk Southern]."
Long added, "This lack of concern for the workers' safety and well-being is, again, a basic tenet of NS's cost-cutting business model."
Norfolk Southern released a statement to CNBC about the cleanup effort. They said:
Meanwhile, the Environmental Protection Agency, Ohio Governor Mike DeWine, and the Biden administration have ensured adequate measures have been taken to protect residents and surrounding communities from the toxic chemical spill and controlled burn of vinyl chloride.
But perhaps the EPA and government aren't telling rail workers and residents the truth. That's because rail workers are getting sick, residents complain about health issues, and animals in state parks are dying.
(who have to STAY there all the time, not just for the shorter "clean-up" period)
Workers Cleaning Up Toxic Ohio Train Derailment Are Getting Sick, Rail Union Leader Warns | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com
(Posted by Blacknarwhal on the "Animals Dying" thread)
Workers Cleaning Up Toxic Ohio Train Derailment Are Getting Sick, Rail Union Leader Warns
by Tyler Durden
Thursday, Mar 02, 2023 - 10:49 AM
A top union leader penned a letter to Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg about a number of rail workers at the Norfolk Southern derailment site in East Palestine, Ohio, who have become sick, likely from the toxic chemical spill. CNBC obtained the letter on Wednesday.
Jonathan Long, a union representative for the Brotherhood of Maintenance of Way Employees Division of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, titled the letter "Norfolk Southern Is Dangerous to America" and said about 40 workers were ordered by the railway to clean up the wreckage.
Long said workers weren't given proper personal protection equipment to clean up the toxic wreckage. He said many workers weren't supplied respirators, protective clothing, or eye protection.
As a result of the chemical exposure, many rail workers "reported that they continue to experience migraines and nausea, days after the derailment, and they all suspect that they were willingly exposed to these chemicals at the direction of [Norfolk Southern]."
Long added, "This lack of concern for the workers' safety and well-being is, again, a basic tenet of NS's cost-cutting business model."
Norfolk Southern released a statement to CNBC about the cleanup effort. They said:
Meanwhile, the Environmental Protection Agency, Ohio Governor Mike DeWine, and the Biden administration have ensured adequate measures have been taken to protect residents and surrounding communities from the toxic chemical spill and controlled burn of vinyl chloride.
But perhaps the EPA and government aren't telling rail workers and residents the truth. That's because rail workers are getting sick, residents complain about health issues, and animals in state parks are dying.
Dusty Lady
Veteran Member
This needs to be bumped up to the first page again. Since the accident my dh and I have been coughing like crazy. He chalks it up to seasonal allergies but I'm not believing it. We were in the direct path of the plume as we are 30 miles N. E. of E. Palestine. I think it was Ms Kitty who posted the screenshot of the plume.
mzkitty
I give up.
And........... another derailment in Springfield, Ohio:
View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1632181045805064192
View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1632181045805064192
mzkitty
I give up.
Back to the original one:
More here, click Read Replies:
View: https://twitter.com/nicksortor/status/1631832993491722243
More here, click Read Replies:
View: https://twitter.com/nicksortor/status/1631832993491722243
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
What concerns me is this is a STILL PIC, with a guy talking thru it, and not a VIDEO.
I'm with you Seeker--CAN SOMEONE CONFIRM?
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
Google it, it takes 5 seconds...
I'm sorry but you get a rolled eyes for this:
Officials find no signs of a spill after a Norfolk Southern freight train derails in west central Ohio
A Norfolk Southern freight train derailed in the Springfield, Ohio, area Saturday afternoon, prompting a shelter-in-place order for nearby residents. No hazardous materials were involved in the wreck, officials said.
www.cnn.com
Another Norfolk Southern freight train derails in Ohio, prompting shelter-in-place order
The derailment has put rail safety under the spotlight and raised questions about regulations surrounding the transport of hazardous materials.
abc7chicago.com
A Norfolk Southern cargo train derailed near Springfield, no injuries reported
A Norfolk Southern cargo train derailed in Springfield Saturday evening. No injuries have been reported.
www.dispatch.com
ANOTHER Norfolk Southern freight train derails in North Carolina
Yet another Norfolk Southern freight train has derailed, this time in North Carolina on Saturday, just days after Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg visited the disaster in Ohio.
Another Norfolk Southern Train Derails in Ohio; Company Says No Toxins
Thousands had to evacuate after a derailment last month
www.voanews.com
Norfolk Southern Confirms Another Train Derailment in North Carolina Following Ohio Incident
A spokesperson for the transportation company said the incident involved a 132-car freight train. There have been no reports of a hazmat situation.
www.complex.com
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
mmm, Rag, honey---Google it, it takes 5 seconds...
I'm sorry but you get a rolled eyes for this:
Officials find no signs of a spill after a Norfolk Southern freight train derails in west central Ohio
A Norfolk Southern freight train derailed in the Springfield, Ohio, area Saturday afternoon, prompting a shelter-in-place order for nearby residents. No hazardous materials were involved in the wreck, officials said.
Another Norfolk Southern freight train derails in Ohio, prompting shelter-in-place order
The derailment has put rail safety under the spotlight and raised questions about regulations surrounding the transport of hazardous materials.
A Norfolk Southern cargo train derailed near Springfield, no injuries reported
A Norfolk Southern cargo train derailed in Springfield Saturday evening. No injuries have been reported.www.dispatch.com
ANOTHER Norfolk Southern freight train derails in North Carolina
Yet another Norfolk Southern freight train has derailed, this time in North Carolina on Saturday, just days after Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg visited the disaster in Ohio.www.dailymail.co.uk
Another Norfolk Southern Train Derails in Ohio; Company Says No Toxins
Thousands had to evacuate after a derailment last month
Norfolk Southern Confirms Another Train Derailment in North Carolina Following Ohio Incident
A spokesperson for the transportation company said the incident involved a 132-car freight train. There have been no reports of a hazmat situation.
I was talking about the DAM bursting--not the train derailment.
As for THAT, I'm ON it:
Here's video of the START of that derailment:
View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1632213874639355905
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
While there ARE tank cars within the derailed stretch of the train, I couldn't read anything on them as to contents, SO it APPEARS that the HAZMAT dispatch (local fire dept) AND the "Shelter in place" order were done in extra caution. we shall see if they were cautious ENOUGH!!
mzkitty
I give up.
Momof5
Senior Member
Have not heard anything but I'll keep my ears open.
Repairman-Jack
Veteran Member
Nope.... no dams have collapsed, some over flows in heavy rains Friday, but he like many other accounts are just online DBs looking for "likes"
jed turtle
a brother in the Lord
Time it is for every illegal alien and homeless person to camp out on the National Mall
Here is an in depth legal examination of the bizarre altercation when the Ohio National Guard commander, and the Ohio Highway Patrol physically confronted a News Nation reporter who was on air in the middle of a press conference with the Ohio Governor.
All charges against the reporter were dropped but there is no word on any sanctions to the National Guard commander for assault.
17:45
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Welcome to Audit the Audit, where we sort out the who and what and the right and wrong of police interactions. Help us grow and educate more citizens and officers on the proper officer interaction conduct by liking this video and/or subscribing.
All charges against the reporter were dropped but there is no word on any sanctions to the National Guard commander for assault.
17:45
Cops Arrest Journalist LIVE ON AIR!
Welcome to Audit the Audit, where we sort out the who and what and the right and wrong of police interactions. Help us grow and educate more citizens and officers on the proper officer interaction conduct by liking this video and/or subscribing.
Blacknarwhal
Let's Go Brandon!
Confirmation, may be right here. 9:06 from the Poplar Report. Wanted to get it up before it was pulled down, but haven't seen the whole thing yet.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lc0PrWgyAk
mzkitty
I give up.
Rail Companies Blocked Safety Rules Before Ohio Derailment
Norfolk Southern helped convince government officials to repeal brake rules — and corporate lobbyists watered down hazmat safety regs.
www.levernews.com
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
They SHOULD have struck.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Late finding this, but this video may be helpful.
A signal / switch worker some years ago made a video explaining exactly what "defect detectors" and "hot boxes" are, how they are alike / different, and what they do to monitor wheel / axel heat:
about 11 mins.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4kj2glv4dY
A signal / switch worker some years ago made a video explaining exactly what "defect detectors" and "hot boxes" are, how they are alike / different, and what they do to monitor wheel / axel heat:
about 11 mins.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Apparently "Wayside" in Atlanta (at least) is monitored by some entity wholly separate and apart from Norfolk Southern.
Maybe they have sub-contracted that out?
(and maybe that's a GOOD thing!)
My son has a recording tonight of a man who only identified himself as "Wayside", contacting first the train crew themselves, then saying they'd contact dispatch, about a "hot wheel" that had already passed two defect detectors since leaving Atlanta heading north, but NEITHER detector went off with the customary "DEFECT DETECTED RECORDED, WHEEL # (whatever).
Again the DEFECT DETECTORS DID NOT GO OFF!
BUT--the computers MONITORING the DEFECT DETECTORS DID indicate an overheating wheel--already at 500 DEGREES--and the man contacted the crew.
"Wayside to (train #--not putting this in to protect the railfan's anonymity--but it was here in Atlanta). Out."
(Crew acknowledges call)
(Wayside) "We had a possible hand-brake there, line 9 of your train, wheel-heat in excess of 500 degrees, bearing that's spiking in temperature there, as soon as you can bring it to a safe stop we need to investigate on line 9 and I can give you the car # and axel #."
(Crew responds; takes Wayside's information as to car # and axel # as Wayside reads it out, then crew repeats it).
(Wayside) "Looks like a hand-brake there to me; just make sure there's no visible damage to any bearings there, no leaking grease or anything."
(Crew) All right--(thanks Wayside for notification)
(Wayside): I'll be sending a message to Dispatch (this would be Norfolk Southern dispatch--so THEY DID NOT CATCH IT EITHER!) to let them know."
I do not know who is monitoring the tracks that simply called himself "Wayside"; he is neither a NS employee (at least, not in Dispatch) nor is he part of the crew (because he was TALKING TO the crew) but he NOTIFIED THEM OF THE OVERHEATING WHEEL when NEITHER the defect detector NOR the dispatch caught it.
My son did see on his charts that the crew DID stop the train right after this & checked the wheel; apparently they were able to correct whatever was wrong and they were soon on their way again. About 7:30 pm tonight.
Maybe they have sub-contracted that out?
(and maybe that's a GOOD thing!)
My son has a recording tonight of a man who only identified himself as "Wayside", contacting first the train crew themselves, then saying they'd contact dispatch, about a "hot wheel" that had already passed two defect detectors since leaving Atlanta heading north, but NEITHER detector went off with the customary "DEFECT DETECTED RECORDED, WHEEL # (whatever).
Again the DEFECT DETECTORS DID NOT GO OFF!
BUT--the computers MONITORING the DEFECT DETECTORS DID indicate an overheating wheel--already at 500 DEGREES--and the man contacted the crew.
"Wayside to (train #--not putting this in to protect the railfan's anonymity--but it was here in Atlanta). Out."
(Crew acknowledges call)
(Wayside) "We had a possible hand-brake there, line 9 of your train, wheel-heat in excess of 500 degrees, bearing that's spiking in temperature there, as soon as you can bring it to a safe stop we need to investigate on line 9 and I can give you the car # and axel #."
(Crew responds; takes Wayside's information as to car # and axel # as Wayside reads it out, then crew repeats it).
(Wayside) "Looks like a hand-brake there to me; just make sure there's no visible damage to any bearings there, no leaking grease or anything."
(Crew) All right--(thanks Wayside for notification)
(Wayside): I'll be sending a message to Dispatch (this would be Norfolk Southern dispatch--so THEY DID NOT CATCH IT EITHER!) to let them know."
I do not know who is monitoring the tracks that simply called himself "Wayside"; he is neither a NS employee (at least, not in Dispatch) nor is he part of the crew (because he was TALKING TO the crew) but he NOTIFIED THEM OF THE OVERHEATING WHEEL when NEITHER the defect detector NOR the dispatch caught it.
My son did see on his charts that the crew DID stop the train right after this & checked the wheel; apparently they were able to correct whatever was wrong and they were soon on their way again. About 7:30 pm tonight.
But Biden et al simply outmanevered them, essentially making it impossible to strike without endangering their job. It's hard not to wonder if some of this is sabotage.
Summerthyme
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
looks more like NS shooting themselves in the foot to me--
just like NASA did.
Just hope they don't take out half the country with them before they FIX what wasn't broken BEFORE they "fixed" it...
vector7
Dot Collector
JUST IN: AOC demands hearing on the derailment in East Palestine..
‘This is not just a disaster site, it is a potential crime scene.’
RT 1min
View: https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1633916907106582531?s=20
‘This is not just a disaster site, it is a potential crime scene.’
RT 1min
View: https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1633916907106582531?s=20
psychgirl
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Another derailment just happened! It says today!
www.axios.com
Norfolk Southern train derails in Alabama, third in several weeks
The incident follows two Norfolk Southern train derailments in Ohio.
www.axios.com
Raggedyman
Res ipsa loquitur
ABSOLUTELY they should have - and I truly believe they WOULD HAVE had .gov kept its nose OUT of it. pure unadulterated corporate greed - live and in living color
Raggedyman
Res ipsa loquitur
been saying and thinking this from DAY ONE. they should have struck.
corporate bean counters doing what they do best - destroying entire industries from the inside out. hold down wages. don't replace retirees or positions left absent by advancement, termination, downsizing or employee departure; simply transfer responsibilities to others. delay/deny preventative maintenance. throw the savings up to the boardroom and get your fat bonus for "cost cutting".
we saw it with virtually every other industry. from AMERICAN STEEL and other related heavy industry to NASA. look how it has devastated health care.
corporate greed is alive and well in murKKa. from the 10 MILLION dollar bat mitzvah for David Brooks daughter ARMOR KING CHEATED FOR SON to the $6000 shower curtain in the maids bathroom of TYCO's disgraced CEO Dennis Kozlowski In New 'Tyco Gone Wild' Video Jurors See $6,000 Shower Curtain - WSJ the astounding evidence of corporate malfeasance, greed and excess with disregard for anyone other than themselves is inescapable.
Raggedyman
Res ipsa loquitur
I believe you ladies are actually talking about the same issue - unfair labor practice - specifically what's described in #1038 above. corporate can only "downsize and spread the work load" so much without employee burn out due to individual work load, maintenance issues related to cost cutting and out right lack of employees becasue of working conditions. recall that MUCH of labors concern - their reason(s) to "strike" - were issues related to working conditions:
NO TIME OFF
NO SICK LEAVE - despite COVID
NO VACATIONS
these were issues that had (reportedly) been continuing for Y E A R S
had there been a strile perhaps these issues would have been resolved in an appropriate fashion. as has been said here before . . . we can't say with certainty that this IS sabotage, but we can certainly say this is what sabotage LOOKS LIKENO SICK LEAVE - despite COVID
NO VACATIONS
these were issues that had (reportedly) been continuing for Y E A R S
8:05Another derailment just happened! It says today!
Norfolk Southern train derails in Alabama, third in several weeks
The incident follows two Norfolk Southern train derailments in Ohio.
Norfolk Southern train derails in Alabama; no injuries reported | LiveNOW from FOX