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Housecarl

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greysage said:
Most of the ones surrendering looked like they were consuming the limited supplies.
They were eating the food, drinking the water, using batteries, requiring medicine and clean bandages, etc.
The ones left inside are hardcore Azov and Ukraine war criminals and NATO spec ops types.
Whatever is being hidden down there is worth it for them to eventually die for.
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That's assuming that they are surrendering combatants and not propaganda players.
 
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DuckandCover

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wait-n-see said:
Well, you can call something anything you want. But just because you want to call a duck a goat, that does not make it fact that the duck is a goat to everyone else. :shr:

Even more hilarious is how it was proclaimed by the Zelensky government, along with all their supporting MSM pals, how their great military heroes were being "evacuated" from Azovstal steel plant after completing their orders. :eye:
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Yeah, the "evacuated" thing was pretty weak. :)
 
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Russia will establish 12 military units and divisions in the Western Military District and move 2,000 pieces of equipment to western Russia by the end of the year Russia's response to Finland's NATO membership is becoming clearer


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Update: Head of the International Relations Committee of the Russian State Duma: Most of the US aid package will be stolen on the way to Kyiv.
 
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Russia says ‘nearing’ full control of Ukraine’s Lugansk

AFP
May 20, 2022 6:05 am

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Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu said on Friday Moscow was nearing full control of Ukraine’s eastern separatist region of Lugansk.

Russian President Vladimir Putin sent troops to Ukraine on February 24 under the guise of protecting the Russian-speaking population there, especially in the breakaway regions of Lugansk and Donetsk.
Russia recognised the independence of the separatist republics shortly before launching the military action.
“The liberation of the Lugansk People’s Republic is nearing completion,” Shoigu said at a televised ministry meeting.
Separately, Shoigu said 1,908 Ukrainian soldiers had surrendered at the besieged Azovstal steelworks in the port city of Mariupol.

Russia claimed control of the strategic city in southeastern Ukraine in late April, keeping the remaining Ukrainian forces blocked inside the giant steel plant.
Shoigu said Ukrainian authorities in early May attempted to retake the strategic Snake Island in the Black Sea that was seized by Russian troops early in the conflict.

“This questionable action turned out to be a complete failure,” Shoigu said.
Snake Island became a symbol of Ukrainian resistance after a radio exchange went viral at the start of the conflict, in which Ukrainian soldiers used an expletive in rebuffing a demand by the Russian warship Moskva to surrender.
The Moskva sank in the Black Sea in mid-April following what Moscow said was an explosion on board. Ukraine and the US said the warship was hit with missiles.
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Russia says 'nearing' full control of Ukraine's Lugansk

Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu said on Friday Moscow was nearing full control of Ukraine's eastern separatist region of Lugansk. Russian President
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Ukraine getting battalion’s worth of artillery in new $100 million aid package
By Joe Gould

May 19, 03:39 PM

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U.S. Marines fire an M777 Howitzer during an exercise on Fort Bragg, N.C., Oct. 19, 2021. (Lance Cpl. Brian Bolin Jr./Marine Corps)
WASHINGTON― The U.S. is sending Ukraine another $100 million in military assistance, including heavy artillery and counter-artillery radars, the Biden administration announced Thursday.
The package is the equivalent of an American battalion’s worth of artillery ― 18 115 mm howitzers, 18 tactical vehicles to tow them and 18 artillery tubes― along with three AN/TPQ-36 counter-artillery radars, Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby said.

“That stuff will flow [from the U.S. to Ukraine] very soon,” Kirby said. “You can imagine having seen us do this in the past, we’re not going to sit on our hands. We’ll start pulling that stuff immediately. These are all items we have provided in the past, so there’s a process in place for that.”
This marks the 10th tranche of equipment sent from U.S. military stocks to Ukraine since Russia invaded in February, for a total of $3.9 billion in military aid. It brings to a close the authority approved by Congress in March.
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Ukraine getting battalion’s worth of artillery in new $100 million aid package

The U.S. is sending Ukraine another $100 million in military assistance, including heavy artillery and counter-artillery radars, the Biden administration announced Thursday.
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Struggling in Ukraine, Russia paves way to sign up over-40s for army
By Mark Trevelyan


2 minute read
Victory Day Parade in Moscow

Russian service members march during a parade on Victory Day, which marks the 77th anniversary of the victory over Nazi Germany in World War Two, in Red Square in central Moscow, Russia May 9, 2022. REUTERS/Evgenia Novozhenina/File Photo
LONDON, May 20 (Reuters) - In a sign of Russia's urgent need to bolster its war effort in Ukraine, parliament said on Friday it would consider a bill to allow Russians over 40 and foreigners over 30 to sign up for the military.
The website of the State Duma, parliament's lower house, said the move would enable the military to utilise the skills of older professionals.
"For the use of high-precision weapons, the operation of weapons and military equipment, highly professional specialists are needed. Experience shows that they become such by the age of 40–45," it said.

Currently, only Russians aged 18-40 and foreigners aged 18-30 can enter into a first contract with the military.
Russia has suffered huge setbacks and heavy losses of men and equipment in the 86-day-old war, in which Ukraine has mobilised practically its entire adult male population. Despite taking full control of the ruins of Mariupol, Moscow remains far from its objective of seizing all of the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine. read more

"Clearly, the Russians are in trouble. This is the latest attempt to address manpower shortages without alarming their own population. But it is growing increasingly difficult for the Kremlin to disguise their failures in Ukraine," said retired U.S. General Ben Hodges, a former commander of U.S. Army forces in Europe.
Jack Watling, a land warfare specialist at the British security and defence think tank RUSI, said the Russian military was running short of infantry.

"Russia needs to stabilise manning in its military units in Ukraine and generate new units if it is to improve its position on the ground," he said.
"This will be a slow and complicated process, but can be accelerated by mobilising people with existing skills and military experience."
The Duma said the proposed legislation would also make it easier to recruit civilian medics, engineers and operations and communications specialists.

Separately, Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu said on Friday that Russia was forming 12 military units in its western military district in response to rising threats there, citing NATO membership bids by Finland and Sweden.
Reporting by Mark Trevelyan, Editing by William Maclean and Frank Jack Daniel
Our Standards: The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
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Struggling in Ukraine, Russia paves way to sign up over-40s for army

In a sign of Russia's urgent need to bolster its war effort in Ukraine, parliament said on Friday it would consider a bill to allow Russians over 40 and foreigners over 30 to sign up for the military.
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greysage said:
Have the Russians blown up their own bridges inside Russian territory? I can't recall them doing that.
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Last time I checked except for some stray booms and unknown origin fires all the fighting is in Ukraine, so the tactical bridge blowing up would by definition all be in Ukraine. Both sides have had advances and retreats.

Its funny how both sides keep lying when there is real information to make all the BS propaganda unnecessary imho.
 
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Squid said:
Last time I checked except for some stray booms and unknown origin fires all the fighting is in Ukraine, so the tactical bridge blowing up would by definition all be in Ukraine. Both sides have had advances and retreats.

Its funny how both sides keep lying when there is real information to make all the BS propaganda unnecessary imho.
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Dezinformatsia has shown - especially in the twittersphere - to be extremely important in modern warfare. It's been able to drive powerful narratives which are largely fixed in western minds.

This is something extremely noteworthy for those who are SHTF adherents. I'd go so far as to say that having the ability to block geolocating is way more important than I would have considered before this war. I must admit that I don't completely understand the technology at all. It's something which needs to be remedied, though, and immediately.
 
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Post 29, 128 seals the ukies doom and confirms the ruskies are massing for the final flush to the river of the TRAPPED AND STARVING UKIES in the Donas/Lugash pocket. Maripol, the ukie high command STILL shows the azov rats as holding maripol. Oh give it up. :lkick:
The east is lost to zippy. In a year or so they will find the rat chewed bones in the depths of the steel mill. The bulge farther west looks to be surrounded on 3 sides and ready to be pushed into the dniepper river. The WHOLE russian line will flow WEST and all the ukie counter offensive types know on the russian border will be straffed to pieces

Zippy is really no military leader and has now positionrd his best troops for an HISTORIC defeat. Belarus will push south and zippy is road kill.
 
Tex88

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Doomer Doug said:
Post 29, 128 seals the ukies doom and confirms the ruskies are massing for the final flush to the river of the TRAPPED AND STARVING UKIES in the Donas/Lugash pocket. Maripol, the ukie high command STILL shows the azov rats as holding maripol. Oh give it up. :lkick:
The east is lost to zippy. In a year or so they will find the rat chewed bones in the depths of the steel mill. The bulge farther west looks to be surrounded on 3 sides and ready to be pushed into the dniepper river. The WHOLE russian line will flow WEST and all the ukie counter offensive types know on the russian border will be straffed to pieces

Zippy is really no military leader and has now positionrd his best troops for an HISTORIC defeat. Belarus will push south and zippy is road kill.
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By Easter! :hugs:
 
mistaken1

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Walrus said:
Dezinformatsia has shown - especially in the twittersphere - to be extremely important in modern warfare. It's been able to drive powerful narratives which are largely fixed in western minds.

This is something extremely noteworthy for those who are SHTF adherents. I'd go so far as to say that having the ability to block geolocating is way more important than I would have considered before this war. I must admit that I don't completely understand the technology at all. It's something which needs to be remedied, though, and immediately.
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The loving government mandated, for our own safety of course that all phones include GPS and the ability to transmit location to various systems. Most phones will geotag photos and videos by default. Allegedly this can be disabled however we do not have root access to the OS let alone the underlying baseband operating system so it is safe to assume it is enabled or can be enabled without our consent or knowledge remotely at anytime.

Software tools can remove geotag information. A picture can be opened on a computer, make a screenshot and save it. Upload the saved screenshot file.

Metadata is also your enemy. If you have a routine and your smart phone is with you at all times but one morning you have a mini crisis at home and forget to take your phone with you the massive data collection and analysis systems can easily flag the fact that your phone which is normally connected to cell tower X sending GPS coordinate Y, M-F 0900 to 1700 is not where it normally is. It is still connected to cell tower X1 at GPS coordinate Y1, in the world of metadata the fact that you left your phone at home one day stands out like a sore thumb.

Think of a smart phone as an electronic slave collar keeping you connected to their grid where they can manage their property ... because that is what it is.
 
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Doomer Doug said:
Post 29, 128 seals the ukies doom and confirms the ruskies are massing for the final flush to the river of the TRAPPED AND STARVING UKIES in the Donas/Lugash pocket. Maripol, the ukie high command STILL shows the azov rats as holding maripol. Oh give it up. :lkick:
The east is lost to zippy. In a year or so they will find the rat chewed bones in the depths of the steel mill. The bulge farther west looks to be surrounded on 3 sides and ready to be pushed into the dniepper river. The WHOLE russian line will flow WEST and all the ukie counter offensive types know on the russian border will be straffed to pieces

Zippy is really no military leader and has now positionrd his best troops for an HISTORIC defeat. Belarus will push south and zippy is road kill.
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I wonder what the US / NATO will do if the Ukraine collapses into military defeat?
 
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New Russian convoy "eleven kilometers" long going to Donbass to destroy hohols.
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I believe the Russians are baiting Nato and the US now, hoping for their direct intervention.
 
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Re-opening Odessa
Ukraine’s ports are worsening world hunger
But there are few good options to get Ukrainian grain to global markets

Sea port with cranes and docks early in the morning

May 18th 2022 (Updated May 19th 2022) | ODESSA
The Economist

The fiasco of the Gallipoli campaign of 1915 was caused, in part, by a global food crisis. The Ottoman empire’s entry into the first world war, on Germany’s side, blocked grain exports from the Russian empire, which then encompassed Ukraine. By forcing open the passage between the Black Sea and the Mediterranean, Britain and its allies hoped to knock the Turks out of the war and restore Russian trade. That would help lower soaring food prices, and strengthen Russia’s weak finances. But the landings in the Dardanelles turned to disaster and the allies withdrew after a year.

A century on, the West faces a similar conundrum: how to get Ukraine’s vast food crop past Russia’s blockade to relieve global food shortages. Andrey Stavnitser, the owner of Ukraine’s largest private shipping-terminal operator, tis, says that Ukrainian grain silos are largely full, and there is not enough room for this year’s crop. “If we can’t store it, it will start rotting,” he says. Frustratingly, Russia is able to export its grain, including crops stolen from occupied land, from the Black Sea while Ukraine’s is shut in. “Unblocking Odessa is as important as providing weapons to Ukraine,” he says.

The eu is seeking to expand alternative routes by rail and road. But these can take only a fraction of Ukraine’s exports. If the bulk of Ukraine’s grain is to get out, it must be by sea. But how? Some people are now exploring the idea of naval convoys to escort merchant vessels in and out of Odessa and nearby ports. Mr Stavnitser hopes for a un convoy led by Turkey. James Stavridis, nato’s former supreme allied commander, has suggested taking a leaf out of the operation by America and some allies to protect oil tankers in the Persian Gulf during the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s.

But James Foggo, the ex-commander of nato forces in the Mediterranean, argues the parallel is misleading. “The difference is: Iran was not a nuclear power. Russia is a nuclear power. Russia is a major power and there is a risk of escalation.” The tanker war was fraught; America’s warships were struck by Iraq and Iran and one of them mistakenly shot down an Iranian airliner.

Convoys in the Black Sea face military, legal and political constraints. Begin with Russia’s “anti-navy”—the thicket of anti-aircraft, anti-shipping and electronic-warfare systems based in Crimea, which Russia annexed in 2014. This allows it to dominate much of the Black Sea from the land. And despite the sinking of the Moskva, Russia’s flagship in the Black Sea, its naval forces remain powerful—including ships and submarines armed with Kalibr cruise missiles. Even if Russia shrinks from attacking convoys, says Michael Petersen of the us Naval War College, ships in port will be sitting ducks. Odessa is within range of Russia’s Bastion-b anti-ship cruise missiles in Crimea, he notes.

Ukraine has heavily mined its waters to prevent a Russian amphibious assault. Odessa’s beaches are closed and guarded by soldiers in camouflaged outposts. The port, including its famous Potemkin Stairs, is off-limits. Russia has laid mines, too. About 80 foreign ships are now stuck in Ukrainian waters; some have been sunk.

“Mining is easy; de-mining is complicated,” notes a Western diplomat. Ukraine lacks the capacity to clear the necessary sea-lanes. Moreover, says another diplomat, “If things are de-mined for the purposes of letting the wheat out, but then Russians are allowed to sneak in and attack Odessa, that’s a problem.” As the Russian advance falters, however, President Volodymyr Zelensky has told visiting American congressmen that arming Ukraine with more anti-ship missiles could allow de-mining to start.

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Protecting convoys might require a substantial nato naval presence. This raises questions related to the Montreux Convention of 1936, which regulates shipping in the Turkish straits. Turkey has invoked Article 19, in effect barring passage to the navies of belligerent states—a move that affects Russia more than others. Turkey has informally told other countries not to deploy warships in the Black Sea. It could take such measures formally under Article 21 if it felt “threatened with imminent danger of war”.

The convention anyhow limits war vessels from non-littoral states, and how long they can stay in the Black Sea. A nato operation would thus require the frequent rotation of ships. Turkey is a nato member and faces no such limits. But its dealings with Russia are ambiguous: it has sold Ukraine the much-celebrated Bayraktar tb-2 combat drone, but has also declined to impose sanctions on Russia and has allowed oligarchs’ superyachts to shelter in its waters.

The debate over convoys has echoes of the earlier one over imposing a no-fly zone over western Ukraine: are nato allies ready to risk a direct fight with Russia? President Joe Biden said no to a no-fly zone. That would risk “World War III”, he said. Without American backing, it is hard to imagine others confronting Russia.

The faint hope is that international pressure, particularly from non-Western countries, may persuade Russia to relent. Some in the un think—or hope—that Vladimir Putin, its president, will not want to be accused of causing global hunger. António Guterres, the un secretary-general, has suggested a deal whereby Russia would allow food shipments out of Odessa in exchange for easing of sanctions on fertiliser exports from Belarus and Russia.

Many officials think Mr Putin is, if anything, even more determined to crush Ukraine economically given his failure to conquer it militarily. Western diplomats say reopening Ukrainian ports is not a practical option for at least six months. A Ukrainian one is blunter: “There is no point in escorting merchant ships if nobody is prepared to shoot back at Russia. The only answer is for us to defeat Russia.”

America, which currently holds the presidency of the un Security Council, is pushing for action on improving food security generally. The effort is intended in part to prove to fence-sitting countries that the war in Ukraine, and the economic disruption it is causing, should be blamed on Russia, not the West.

Western countries may yet put forward a motion calling for the reopening of Odessa, if only to force Russia to use its veto. The un General Assembly, which includes all members, requires any country casting a veto to explain itself before the assembly within ten days. Russia may not care, says Richard Gowan of the International Crisis Group, a think-tank. “In some ways the greatest risk is that Russia says yes to reopening Odessa but then creates all manner of procedural obstacles.”

Ukraine’s ports are worsening world hunger | The Economist
 
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Oreally

Right from the start
there is not way in hell that the russians can succeed in holding on the territory they have seized and certainly so not have the manpower to grab any more.

they can certainly blow up a lot more shit and kill a lot more innocent people, but that's it. these people are grim and will never, ever give up.

civil resistance is already being organized and being put into action. any one stupid enough to sign on to the russian installed 'administration' is signing their death warrant.

Putin and his inept cronies have to go and a compromise settlement is the only way forward.
 
WTSR

WTSR

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DuckandCover said:
Why would they want direct NATO intervention? Don't they already have their hands full?
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It's the only thing that will save their Ukrainian allies and keep the war going. The US dollar is under stress and they are already talking about 48 billion more to Ukraine. Markets are in chaos, food is going to get scarce.
 
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Oreally

Right from the start
northern watch said:
Re-opening Odessa
Ukraine’s ports are worsening world hunger
But there are few good options to get Ukrainian grain to global markets

Sea port with cranes and docks early in the morning

May 18th 2022 (Updated May 19th 2022) | ODESSA
The Economist

The fiasco of the Gallipoli campaign of 1915 was caused, in part, by a global food crisis. The Ottoman empire’s entry into the first world war, on Germany’s side, blocked grain exports from the Russian empire, which then encompassed Ukraine. By forcing open the passage between the Black Sea and the Mediterranean, Britain and its allies hoped to knock the Turks out of the war and restore Russian trade. That would help lower soaring food prices, and strengthen Russia’s weak finances. But the landings in the Dardanelles turned to disaster and the allies withdrew after a year.

A century on, the West faces a similar conundrum: how to get Ukraine’s vast food crop past Russia’s blockade to relieve global food shortages. Andrey Stavnitser, the owner of Ukraine’s largest private shipping-terminal operator, tis, says that Ukrainian grain silos are largely full, and there is not enough room for this year’s crop. “If we can’t store it, it will start rotting,” he says. Frustratingly, Russia is able to export its grain, including crops stolen from occupied land, from the Black Sea while Ukraine’s is shut in. “Unblocking Odessa is as important as providing weapons to Ukraine,” he says.

The eu is seeking to expand alternative routes by rail and road. But these can take only a fraction of Ukraine’s exports. If the bulk of Ukraine’s grain is to get out, it must be by sea. But how? Some people are now exploring the idea of naval convoys to escort merchant vessels in and out of Odessa and nearby ports. Mr Stavnitser hopes for a un convoy led by Turkey. James Stavridis, nato’s former supreme allied commander, has suggested taking a leaf out of the operation by America and some allies to protect oil tankers in the Persian Gulf during the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s.

But James Foggo, the ex-commander of nato forces in the Mediterranean, argues the parallel is misleading. “The difference is: Iran was not a nuclear power. Russia is a nuclear power. Russia is a major power and there is a risk of escalation.” The tanker war was fraught; America’s warships were struck by Iraq and Iran and one of them mistakenly shot down an Iranian airliner.

Convoys in the Black Sea face military, legal and political constraints. Begin with Russia’s “anti-navy”—the thicket of anti-aircraft, anti-shipping and electronic-warfare systems based in Crimea, which Russia annexed in 2014. This allows it to dominate much of the Black Sea from the land. And despite the sinking of the Moskva, Russia’s flagship in the Black Sea, its naval forces remain powerful—including ships and submarines armed with Kalibr cruise missiles. Even if Russia shrinks from attacking convoys, says Michael Petersen of the us Naval War College, ships in port will be sitting ducks. Odessa is within range of Russia’s Bastion-b anti-ship cruise missiles in Crimea, he notes.

Ukraine has heavily mined its waters to prevent a Russian amphibious assault. Odessa’s beaches are closed and guarded by soldiers in camouflaged outposts. The port, including its famous Potemkin Stairs, is off-limits. Russia has laid mines, too. About 80 foreign ships are now stuck in Ukrainian waters; some have been sunk.

“Mining is easy; de-mining is complicated,” notes a Western diplomat. Ukraine lacks the capacity to clear the necessary sea-lanes. Moreover, says another diplomat, “If things are de-mined for the purposes of letting the wheat out, but then Russians are allowed to sneak in and attack Odessa, that’s a problem.” As the Russian advance falters, however, President Volodymyr Zelensky has told visiting American congressmen that arming Ukraine with more anti-ship missiles could allow de-mining to start.

20220521_EUM912.png

Protecting convoys might require a substantial nato naval presence. This raises questions related to the Montreux Convention of 1936, which regulates shipping in the Turkish straits. Turkey has invoked Article 19, in effect barring passage to the navies of belligerent states—a move that affects Russia more than others. Turkey has informally told other countries not to deploy warships in the Black Sea. It could take such measures formally under Article 21 if it felt “threatened with imminent danger of war”.

The convention anyhow limits war vessels from non-littoral states, and how long they can stay in the Black Sea. A nato operation would thus require the frequent rotation of ships. Turkey is a nato member and faces no such limits. But its dealings with Russia are ambiguous: it has sold Ukraine the much-celebrated Bayraktar tb-2 combat drone, but has also declined to impose sanctions on Russia and has allowed oligarchs’ superyachts to shelter in its waters.

The debate over convoys has echoes of the earlier one over imposing a no-fly zone over western Ukraine: are nato allies ready to risk a direct fight with Russia? President Joe Biden said no to a no-fly zone. That would risk “World War III”, he said. Without American backing, it is hard to imagine others confronting Russia.

The faint hope is that international pressure, particularly from non-Western countries, may persuade Russia to relent. Some in the un think—or hope—that Vladimir Putin, its president, will not want to be accused of causing global hunger. António Guterres, the un secretary-general, has suggested a deal whereby Russia would allow food shipments out of Odessa in exchange for easing of sanctions on fertiliser exports from Belarus and Russia.

Many officials think Mr Putin is, if anything, even more determined to crush Ukraine economically given his failure to conquer it militarily. Western diplomats say reopening Ukrainian ports is not a practical option for at least six months. A Ukrainian one is blunter: “There is no point in escorting merchant ships if nobody is prepared to shoot back at Russia. The only answer is for us to defeat Russia.”

America, which currently holds the presidency of the un Security Council, is pushing for action on improving food security generally. The effort is intended in part to prove to fence-sitting countries that the war in Ukraine, and the economic disruption it is causing, should be blamed on Russia, not the West.

Western countries may yet put forward a motion calling for the reopening of Odessa, if only to force Russia to use its veto. The un General Assembly, which includes all members, requires any country casting a veto to explain itself before the assembly within ten days. Russia may not care, says Richard Gowan of the International Crisis Group, a think-tank. “In some ways the greatest risk is that Russia says yes to reopening Odessa but then creates all manner of procedural obstacles.”

Ukraine’s ports are worsening world hunger | The Economist
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there are stacks and stacks of flour and pasta and sunflower oil in all the stores here at fire sale prices. i guess a lot of eggs were being exported too, 'cause they are now around .05 , now half what it was before the war.

unbelievable. the bad will russia is generating throughout the world because of this is going to do more to bring them to the table than anything, that and targeting their command posts with long range artillery.

but, i heard from a friend near kyiv that they are having shortages in villages there. i guess they can't get enough transport to get the surpluses in the west over there.
 
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mecoastie

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Doomer Doug said:
Post 29, 128 seals the ukies doom and confirms the ruskies are massing for the final flush to the river of the TRAPPED AND STARVING UKIES in the Donas/Lugash pocket. Maripol, the ukie high command STILL shows the azov rats as holding maripol. Oh give it up. :lkick:
The east is lost to zippy. In a year or so they will find the rat chewed bones in the depths of the steel mill. The bulge farther west looks to be surrounded on 3 sides and ready to be pushed into the dniepper river. The WHOLE russian line will flow WEST and all the ukie counter offensive types know on the russian border will be straffed to pieces

Zippy is really no military leader and has now positionrd his best troops for an HISTORIC defeat. Belarus will push south and zippy is road kill.
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All right you are killing me with your place names. I cant take it anymore!! The 2 oblasts you keep talking about are Donetsk and Luhansk. Together they make up the Donbass or Donbas region. There is no Donas or Lugash in the Ukraine.
 
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⚡A lot of pilots died trying to break through to Azovstal - Zelensky The President of Ukraine acknowledged that the Armed Forces of Ukraine suffered significant losses among the flight crew, but could not organize an air corridor with the Azovstal plant in Mariupol "A very large number of...
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