WAR Pentagon Chief: If Ukraine Is Defeated, NATO Will Be At War With Russia

jward

passin' thru

Pentagon Chief: If Ukraine Is Defeated, NATO Will Be At War With Russia​


by Tyler Durden​



This is the single most important, dangerous and highly revealing statement from a top defense official in the West in a long time... It also demonstrates the precarious urgency of the moment and the huge stakes going into the November US election. The world truly stands on the precipice of a nuclear nightmare with the following fresh assertion of Biden's Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, who said before Congress on Thursday:
"If Ukraine falls, I really believe that NATO will be in a fight with Russia," Austin stated.
What's more is that this came the very day that Russian President Vladimir Putin warned things could easily spiral toward nuclear war in the scenario that NATO sends troops to Ukraine. Watch:
US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin says if Ukraine falls he really believes NATO will be in a fight with Russia pic.twitter.com/lmOimGsSAH
— Sputnik (@SputnikInt) February 29, 2024
According to the fuller context of the Pentagon chief's statements, he emphasized that more Washington funding is crucial for Ukraine in order to prevent a situation where "one country can redraw its neighbors’ boundaries and illegitimately take over its sovereign territory."
"We know that if Putin is successful here, he will not stop. He will continue to take more aggressive actions in the region. And other leaders around the world, other autocrats around the world will look at this and will be encouraged by the fact that this happened and we failed to support a democracy," he added.

"If you are a Baltic state, you are really worried about whether you are next. They know Putin. They know what he is capable of. And, frankly, if Ukraine falls, I really believe that NATO will be in a fight with Russia," Austin said.
What is even more alarming about this statement is that everyone now knows that Ukraine forces are in retreat at this very moment, especially after the Russian capture of the city of Avdiivka, and surrounding villages.

Bloomberg on Thursday issued a report predicting total collapse of the Ukrainian front lines by summer, as the headline suggests (Ukraine Sees Risk of Russia Breaking Through Defenses by Summer): "Ukrainian officials are concerned that Russian advances could gain significant momentum by the summer unless their allies can increase the supply of ammunition, according to a person familiar with their analysis," the report says. According to more from Bloomberg:
Internal assessments of the situation on the battlefield from Kyiv are growing increasingly bleak as Ukrainian forces struggle to hold off Russian attacks while rationing the number of shells they can fire.
Commander-in-Chief Oleksandr Syrskyi said Thursday that mistakes by frontline commanders had compounded the problems facing Ukraine’s defenses around Avdiivka, which was captured by Russian forces this month. Syrskyi said he’d sent in more troops and ammunition to bolster Ukrainian positions.
US DoD/Flickr
So the consensus narrative and belated mainstream media admission is that Ukraine's military is a mere months away from clear defeat, and the top US defense chief just said NATO will go to war with Russia "if Ukraine falls".
The conflict has reached a dire and perilously unpredictable moment indeed, and clearly the already slim chances of jump-starting serious peace negotiations to end the war are slipping away fast.

 

jward

passin' thru
I spose there is still some small hope they're just twisting our arms to get us to go along with more grift for their Ukrainian aid game- but most of me is resigned to the idea that their ultimate goal is/has always been taking this proxy war direct- loud, and brite.
 

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Putin has started WWIII, but conservative Republicans haven't grasped that fact yet. If Ukraine falls Putin will continue this conflict.

Putin has absolutely no interest in negotiations and has repeatedly stated that.

What Putin has given is unconditional surrender terms to the Ukrainians.
 
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Fenwick Babbitt

Veteran Member
Ukraine is about one thing and one thing only, stealing billions upon billions of U.S. Taxpayer dollars. The majority of which get kicked right back to the good old USA and fund the DNC and the Democrat politicians along with enriching the bank accounts of the top congressional swamp rats of both parties.

Democrats and the DNC are in total free fall they cater to the fringe radical leftists of society, and outside of some tech and Hollywood donors they are limited in fundraising because unlike Trump and the masses, the people they appeal to are the dregs of society who cannot and will not donate to the DNC.

The DNC would cease to exist if not for the continued pilfering of the U.S treasury by congressional swamp rats, the majority of which are tied to the DNC. These assholes all stealing the future of our kids and grandkids, **** em all and hang every damn one of them, starting with that Muslim, rump ranger obama.
 
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Fenwick Babbitt

Veteran Member
Putin has started WWIII, but conservative Republicans haven't grasped that fact yet. If Ukraine falls Putin will continue this conflict.

Putin has absolutely no interest in negotiations and has repeatedly stated that.

What Putin has given is unconditional surrender terms to the Ukrainians.
Putin is the last possible savior of Europe, the only person who can remove all of the muslim and african filth from Europe and return Europe to her previous beauty.

It won't take more than a few more years and the remaining "Europeans" will be begging Putin to come and clean up the mess they created.

Putin is the last great pro caucasian leader left on this shit hole of a planet, Putin hates the globalist and leftist nutbags in control of the U.S., not the actual U.S. citizens.
 

blueinterceptor

Veteran Member
If these thoughts about Russia invading Europe are true, why hasnt NATO entered into the war as a preventive measure. Why wait until the Ukraine loses and be forced to enter? Why not fight on Ukrainian soil, near the Russian border as opposed to waiting for Russia to get to the polish or another nato country’s border. Why hasn’t the other nato countries gone to a complete war footing. You’d think they’d be spending 10% or more of their budgets preparing. They’d start mandatory conscription while theyre able. If they were that terrified.
I just don’t see this as anything more than fear mongering in an effort to make bank.
 

vector7

Dot Collector
I guess the US Deep State and CIA should have thought it thru a little more before over throwing a legitimate government in Ukraine and starting a proxy war against Russia years ago, eh? :hmm:

Bombshell Report: CIA Built “12 Secret Spy Bases” in Ukraine and Waged Shadow War for Last Decade
starting with that Muslim, rump ranger obama.
obama.jpg
 

155 arty

Veteran Member
Putin has started WWIII, but conservative Republicans haven't grasped that fact yet. If Ukraine falls Putin will continue this conflict.

Putin has absolutely no interest in negotiations and has repeatedly stated that.

What Putin has given is unconditional surrender terms to the Ukrainians.
Still a condition
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Ukraine is about one thing and one thing only, stealing billions upon billions of U.S. Taxpayer dollars. The majority of which get kicked right back to the good old USA and fund the DNC and the Democrat politicians along with enriching the bank accounts of the top congressional swamp rats of both parties.

Democrats and the DNC are in total free fall they cater to the fringe radical leftists of society, and outside of some tech and Hollywood donors they are limited in fundraising because unlike Trump and the masses, the people they appeal to are the dregs of society who cannot and will not donate to the DNC.

The DNC would cease to exist if not for the continued pilfering of the U.S treasury by congressional swamp rats, the majority of which are tied to the DNC. These assholes all stealing the future of our kids and grandkids, **** em all and hang every damn one of them, starting with that Muslim, rump ranger obama.
All true. And yet, Putin is ALSO wrong.

Messy situation, is it not?
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
If these thoughts about Russia invading Europe are true, why hasnt NATO entered into the war as a preventive measure. Why wait until the Ukraine loses and be forced to enter? Why not fight on Ukrainian soil, near the Russian border as opposed to waiting for Russia to get to the polish or another nato country’s border. Why hasn’t the other nato countries gone to a complete war footing. You’d think they’d be spending 10% or more of their budgets preparing. They’d start mandatory conscription while theyre able. If they were that terrified.
I just don’t see this as anything more than fear mongering in an effort to make bank.

The majority of NATO and the EU have been overdrawn on the "peace dividend" for decades, that was why Trump was taking them to the woodshed. The relationship between the citizens and political class in NATO/EU is broken and would need to be fixed if a mobilization to 1970s levels could even be suggested never mind attempted. Without the nukes in direct control and possession of France and the UK imagine how much worse things would be. That the Germans and Poles are openly talking about getting their own nukes too goes beyond a "DOT".
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Some thoughts:

- Since this from what I can tell wasn't covered by the broadcast MSM, who exactly was the intended audience for this statement by Austin?

- The whole reason Putin went for the "brass ring" instead of continuing the "frozen conflict" he,'d been perpetuating in eastern Ukraine, as he's been doing in other former Soviet republics is because the Swamp is run by idiots and Europe being no better or worse.

- So I have to ask the question, what would be the minimum intervention to effect a tempo change on the part of the Russians? If the US doesn't have the location of every Russian brigade level logistical hub and MSR then the people at Langley aren't doing their job.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
All wars are banker’s wars. We’ve heard that before but for many that doesn’t sink in. The oligarchs that own the central banks in the west and in the east are the very same people. They don’t want to irradiate the whole world forcing them to live in their bunkers the rest of their miserable lives. What they do want is to cull a good number of the useless eaters on one hand and on the other force the world into their CBDC currency tyranny.

A few nuclear weapons being employed either by a nation state or false flag nuclear events are assured along with other unpleasantries along the way but it is designed to frighten the populations of the world so badly that they believe unless they surrender their sovereignty to the global hegemon that utter destruction is at hand. The entities that butter the bread for the western ‘leaders’ are the same ones that do it for the east. At senior levels of government on both sides like Putin/Xi vs Xiden/WEF their is palpable competition and hatred but at the very top its still one team.

Just like left/right, liberal/conservative, democrat/republican are two wings of the same bird so it is on the global scale of east vs west. Same bird doling out the money and funding it all to bring all people collectively to their knees.
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic
Ukraine is about one thing and one thing only, stealing billions upon billions of U.S. Taxpayer dollars. The majority of which get kicked right back to the good old USA and fund the DNC and the Democrat politicians along with enriching the bank accounts of the top congressional swamp rats of both parties.

Democrats and the DNC are in total free fall they cater to the fringe radical leftists of society, and outside of some tech and Hollywood donors they are limited in fundraising because unlike Trump and the masses, the people they appeal to are the dregs of society who cannot and will not donate to the DNC.

The DNC would cease to exist if not for the continued pilfering of the U.S treasury by congressional swamp rats, the majority of which are tied to the DNC. These assholes all stealing the future of our kids and grandkids, **** em all and hang every damn one of them, starting with that Muslim, rump ranger obama.
Ukraine is about one thing and one thing only, stealing billions upon billions of U.S. Taxpayer dollars. The majority of which get kicked right back to the good old USA and fund the DNC and the Democrat politicians along with enriching the bank accounts of the top congressional swamp rats of both parties. That is why there is no oversight on Ukraine Aid
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic
The majority of NATO and the EU have been overdrawn on the "peace dividend" for decades, that was why Trump was taking them to the woodshed. The relationship between the citizens and political class in NATO/EU is broken and would need to be fixed if a mobilization to 1970s levels could even be suggested never mind attempted. Without the nukes in direct control and possession of France and the UK imagine how much worse things would be. That the Germans and Poles are openly talking about getting their own nukes too goes beyond a "DOT".
The majority of NATO and the EU have been overdrawn on the "peace dividend" for decades, that was why Trump was taking them to the woodshed. The money went to "social programs" that Americans do not have.
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee
It's simple enough. They have stated their goals repeatedly.
A more up to date & realistic point below:

Chanana: 11:45
Doctor, I just want to take it a little further from there, and that will be my final question to you, for now at least. You know, you mentioned how Germany does not want to get sucked into the war. I want to understand from you, do you feel other European nations are in danger of Russia’s– are in danger of getting sucked into the war, given the fact Russia is making gain after gain in Ukraine at the moment?

Doctorow:
That is asking what you believe Russia’s overall interests are.

Chanana:
That’s my question.

Doctorow:
And whether or not Russia intends to take more territory in other countries, for example, in the Baltics. That is being put out by the advocates of a stronger NATO, and it is a theory that has virtually no basis in fact. It is used as a propaganda point to strengthen the alliance and to give consolidation to the NATO policy positions. But it has no basis in fact.

12:45
So Russia’s intentions have been stated very clearly by Mr. Putin. It’s the biggest country in the world. It does not need an additional centimeter of territory in Europe, and it doesn’t want it. It’s only the NATO leadership that wants to make this point in the hope of rallying the boys around a common policy of fighting Russia.

Chanana:
All right. That was international affairs analyst Dr Gilbert Doctorow, joining us from Brussels. Always a pleasure speaking with you and getting your thoughts on trending matters, sir.

Doctorow: 13:23
Thanks so much for having me.

Translation below into German (Andreas Mylaeus)

 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
Putin is the last possible savior of Europe, the only person who can remove all of the muslim and african filth from Europe and return Europe to her previous beauty.

It won't take more than a few more years and the remaining "Europeans" will be begging Putin to come and clean up the mess they created.

Putin is the last great pro caucasian leader left on this shit hole of a planet, Putin hates the globalist and leftist nutbags in control of the U.S., not the actual U.S. citizens.

you forgot the Jews - Heil Hitler

can't believe 1933 beer stube crap still sells to the weak minded - Lutheran ministers and Catholic priests were rounded up sooner than the Jews ......
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic

Ukraine-Russia war: Expert predictions on where conflict will go next​

We've been talking to experts on what we can expect in the third year of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Kyiv is on the back foot in the fighting - but will anything change that?

Sky News
Saturday 24 February 2024 22:29, UK

As the war reaches its second anniversary, it's still unclear how it will eventually come to an end.

So, what are we likely to see over the next 12 months? We've been speaking to experts to get their predictions.

'Russia will target these areas next'

Security and defence analyst Professor Michael Clarke says...

Ukraine may well lose more of the territory it has been defending during the rest of this year, but it will be working hard to build up its strength for 2025 and to convince the Western powers that it can prevail against Russia's invasion eventually.

On the ground, Russia will try to take Kramatorsk and Slovyansk, which would effectively give it the whole of the Donbas region.

At sea, the Ukrainians will try to make the most of the pressure they can put on Crimea through their increasing success in the western part of the Black Sea.

In the air, Russia is making the most of its natural numerical advantage, but Kyiv will be hoping it can turn the air war to hold Russian aircraft further away from its frontline areas.

But most important of all will be the competition for war production between the two sides.

Russia can certainly out-produce Ukraine on its own.

Ukraine can manufacture many good and innovative war stocks but it can only match Russian production levels with the full backing of the Western powers.

This will be the most important - and the most uncertain - front in this war for the coming year.

'Ukraine likely to lose rest of Donbas'

Security and conflict expert Dr Huseyn Aliyev says...

Kyiv will suffer "more serious territorial losses" over the next 12 months, he says.

Reflecting on the recent fall of Avdiivka, he explained a lack of tactical reserves and ammunition - problems the Ukrainians faced during the "botched" defence of Bakhmut in 2023 - were continuing to cause issues.

"As things stand, Ukraine is highly dependent on foreign supplies of ammunition and weapons as two years into the conflict domestic mass production of ammunition is still lagging behind, even when it comes to basic munitions, such as landmines or mortar rounds," he said.



In comparison, Russia has become fast and efficient at "institutional adaptation and learning", Dr Aliyev added.

"All procrastinations on Ukraine's part are likely to lead to more serious territorial losses," he said, warning a lack of domestically made artillery shells and drones could have dire consequences.

"Unless Ukraine engages in construction of defence fortified positions and ramps up domestic production of ammunition, as well as improves mobilization and recruitment, it is likely to lose the rest of Donbas region this year as well as some territories in the south," he said.

'Defeat of Kyiv government could look feasible by end of year'


International affairs editor Dominic Waghorn says...

Both sides in this war are now engaged in what America calls a "hold and build" strategy.

Unable to achieve a breakthrough, Russia and Ukraine are hoping to hold the line while they strengthen their forces.

This is expected to last all year, unless the West chooses to give Ukraine a decisive qualitative edge something it has been too timid and cautious to do so far throughout this conflict.

Without far more substantial support for Ukraine by the end of this period of consolidation, Russia is likely to have the upper hand.

NATO countries have far more economic and military power taken together but they have chosen individually not to share enough of that to give Ukraine the wherewithal to expel the invaders.

Ukraine has been given enough to continue the war, not to win it. There are now doubts over whether it will be sent enough even to stand its ground.

Russia's leader Vladimir Putin knows his survival depends on not losing the war so he is predictably taking all steps to avoid that eventuality.

He is militarising the economy and taking precautions to avoid the inevitable fallout from soaring casualty figures.

He has barred one anti-war rival from running in the upcoming presidential elections and it seems now killed the most prominent critic of his invasion of Ukraine, Alexei Navalny.

Russia has run rings around Western sanctions.

Ed Conway's revealing research is the latest case in point.

And he has enlisted the support of North Korea and it seems more vicariously China in securing supplies of ammunition and weapons that far outweigh the munitions being sent by all of Ukraine's Western backers put together.

There is also still doubt over the strength of military and financial support America is prepared to send Ukraine.

Mr Putin's formidable misinformation machine has sown doubt in the minds of many in the West about the rights and wrongs of the war and the chances of victory.

He has found useful conduits for his falsehoods and half truths, wittingly or not, in the likes of American propagandist Tucker Carlson.

Ukraine has scored some successes at sea sinking a number of Russian warships, but is yielding territory in the ground war, if only incrementally.

But the direction of travel against Ukraine is likely to continue.

If the West chooses not to step up its support to counter the might of Russia's war economy and the support of its allies, a tipping point is likely to be reached towards the end of the year when the defeat of the Kyiv government might start looking feasible.

The West may then learn how sincere Vladimir Putin is when he insists he will not attack NATO countries next, with all that could entail for global security.

'Russian casualties will get increasingly worse'

Former senior military intelligence and security officer Philip Ingram says...

Casualties will remain huge for both sides, but they will get "increasingly worse" for Russia as the West bolsters Ukraine's defences.

"Russia is relying on North Korea and Iran, that does not bode well; the Western defence industrial base, its ammunition manufacturers are finally waking up," he said.

Meanwhile, he said Ukraine has been delivering a "masterclass in strategic manoeuvre" with Special Operations Executive (SOE) operations across occupied territories and into Russia.

This has included assassinations, railway derailments, factories and oil refineries blowing up, as well as military headquarters, airfields and logistic dumps targeted by long-range weapons and the Russian Black Sea Fleet rendered impotent, Mr Ingram explained.

"These combined with resurgent Western supplies will allow Ukraine to regain a multidimensional initiative", he said.

But will it bring a quick end to the war? Mr Ingram said it is "highly unlikely, unless there is a major change in Moscow".

"We will be talking about the Russia-Ukraine war in another 730 days, I believe," he added.

"However, in another 730 days Russia will be significantly weakened, it simply can't afford much more, whereas in the West, affordability is merely a political decision as the price for Ukraine losing is significantly greater.

"It is that that will ensure continued Western support no matter what election outcomes unfold."

'Third year of war could prove more difficult for Zelenskyy'

Military analyst Sean Bell says...

The key to Ukraine's fortunes lie with Vladimir Putin, and 2024 could prove to be a very difficult year.

"Although Western political support for President Zelenskyy appears relatively robust, translating that rhetoric into a steady supply of battle-winning weapons is proving increasingly difficult," he adds.

"Western war chests are depleted, and without weapons and ammunition, Ukraine's prospects are bleak."

However, he points out Russia will face the same challenge and will try to cultivate links with North Korea and Iran to augment its own defence industrial base, funded by growing oil revenues.

"The presidential elections could prove crucial," he says.

"A change of administration in the USA could herald a reduction in financial and military support for Ukraine this coming year.

"Even with massive support in 2023, Ukraine was unable to break through Russian lines. Any reduction of support could be critical.

"And, with Russia's presidential elections behind him, Putin could feel emboldened to 'double-down' on his special military operation in Ukraine.

"Year two of this conflict started with a sense of optimism for the coming Ukrainian spring offensive.

"However, without a determined, coherent and credible western strategy to provide Ukraine with the weapons and ammunition it needs to prevail, this could prove a much more difficult year for President Zelenskyy."

'West cannot afford to miscalculate in 2024'

Researcher Jaroslava Barbieri says...

2024 will be the year the West plays a vital role.

While she predicts Russia will keep hold of material and manpower advantages, she believes the EU and NATO will "seriously commit" to improving Ukraine's defence capabilities.

In 2022 the West underestimated Ukraine's ability to fight. In 2023 the West underestimated Russia's ability to recover from its military setbacks and sustain a long-term war," she said.

"The policy of drip-feeding weapons into Ukraine reflected Western governments' illusion that supporting Ukraine's victory could mean something other than inflicting a decisive defeat on Russia.

"2024 is the year when the West cannot afford to miscalculate again."

"The future of the war hinges on the West coming to terms with the reality that it's an existential war not only for Ukraine, but the West as a whole."

In her view, the best case scenario will see Donald Trump staying out of the White House and Western powers drawing up a coherent plan on how to use Russia's frozen assets to Ukraine's advantage.

In turn, Ukraine will boost mobilisation, hold defensive lines and build up its air defences.

She said Kyiv would then increase drone attacks, especially in Crimea, and acquire long-range precision strike capabilities to hit deep behind enemy lines.

"Together, these factors will allow Ukraine to rebuild its capacity to conduct large-scale offensive operations in 2025," she said.

However, a worst case scenario would see the "return of American isolationism and European political paralysis".

"Facing severe shell shortages, Ukrainian soldiers would be forced to scale back military operations," she explained.

"Ukraine's inability to replenish its battlefield manpower would exacerbate brewing tensions inside Ukrainian society.

"The Kremlin would continue to exploit any sign of Western hesitation to push the narrative that Ukraine cannot win this war and that negotiating a deal on Moscow's terms is the only option.

"In turn, this could possibly lead to a new wave of Ukrainian refugees."

'Key US support well in the balance'

Our US correspondent Mark Stone says...

The war in the Middle East has somewhat overshadowed an almighty and long-running row in Washington about funding for Ukraine.

As Sky News' own eyewitness reporting has revealed, the Ukrainian military is close to running out of weapons and ammunition.

On the ground in eastern Ukraine, Vladimir Putin has the upper hand.

European foreign ministers meeting here in New York aren't even trying to argue otherwise.

In Washington, a small but influential group of Trumpian politicians representing doubting constituents across the country are blocking a bill to send another huge tranche of weapons to Ukraine.

There is absolutely no guarantee that they will allow it to pass.

It's striking that European foreign ministers who are at the UN to mark the anniversary are focusing their messaging on America, not Russia.

With quite blunt language, they are calling for America to step up and continue to support Ukraine.

"It is in the interests of the American people," the foreign ministers of Britain, Germany and Poland said at an event on 5th Avenue this morning.

It's a message that isn't landing in America yet.

The "America first/security begins at home" message, and confusion over the merits of funding a far-away war, run deep across many parts of America.

And remember - the prospects for the Ukraine war could shift even more profoundly should Donald Trump be elected in November.

We are approaching a moment in this long war where fortunes could shift profoundly.

 
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jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Putin has started WWIII, but conservative Republicans haven't grasped that fact yet. If Ukraine falls Putin will continue this conflict.

Putin has absolutely no interest in negotiations and has repeatedly stated that.

What Putin has given is unconditional surrender terms to the Ukrainians.
I would love to see who signs your paychecks....
the US overthrew a duly elected government in Kyiv. As they always do, “let’s have a “color revolution”, courtesy of the cia. Because “Democracy”!

nazis all the way down.... been running the US for waaaay too long. News flash: brainwashing is a thing...
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Putin has started WWIII, but conservative Republicans haven't grasped that fact yet. If Ukraine falls Putin will continue this conflict.

Putin has absolutely no interest in negotiations and has repeatedly stated that.

What Putin has given is unconditional surrender terms to the Ukrainians.
Unconditional surrender terms are just. Putin cannot trust a single promise from Ukraine or NATO and especially the US. Liars all. For Russia to be secure, they MUST destroy Ukraine. They were forced into this. The people of Ukraine should have been shooting the commissars shanghaiing people off the streets to go die in muddy trenches. NATO heroes "saved" Ukraine with drones and missiles. Sure... that will scare Russia off. Morons.

Now Russia is catching up on technology and drone warfare. Now Russia has mobilized and revived the war machine. Good job Ukraine, CIA & US. And the slimey limeys had to chip in their bold help. Anyone remember a pipeline that was mysteriously destroyed? How about all the Russians murdered in Donbass? At this point we can figure about half a million Ukraine soldiers killed over the last 2 years because Zelensky listened to the warmongers of the west. Didn't have to happen. Each day Putin is pushed further into the corner of using nukes in a first strike. Nice move by US managers, if you want to have much of America destroyed, first by internal attacks, then by nukes on key sites and cities, and then by starvation. It is coming soon.

Slava stupidity.
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee
''It's striking that European foreign ministers who are at the UN to mark the anniversary are focusing their messaging on America, not Russia.

With quite blunt language, they are calling for America to step up and continue to support Ukraine.

"It is in the interests of the American people," the foreign ministers of Britain, Germany and Poland said at an event on 5th Avenue this morning.''

More European Bullshit, NATO has a annual Budget of 1.1 Trillion, of which America pays 860 Billion. Every f--cking year. No oversight.
The Europeans can do what Europeans want.
Vote for peace, vote for war, it's their choice.
 
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jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
All true. And yet, Putin is ALSO wrong.

Messy situation, is it not?
Putin was not wrong. He told Ukraine “no NATO in Ukraine”!
the cia overthrew the government of Kyiv. Violently. WE are the guilty culprits in Ukraine. When we are nothng more than shadows burned into the ground all across America, you will have no one to blame but the Nazis that run the MIC in this country.
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee
I would love to see who signs your paychecks....
the US overthrew a duly elected government in Kyiv. As they always do, “let’s have a “color revolution”, courtesy of the cia. Because “Democracy”!

nazis all the way down.... been running the US for waaaay too long. News flash: brainwashing is a thing...
Ain't that the truth.
All the fascists are coming out of the woodwork.
The old collaborator nations of Europe.
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
The whole point of the Carlson/Putin interview was to give Putin a platform to explain his "rationale."

30 minutes was a blow by blow "history" of the region AND its historical connection to Russia. Putin basically explained his case for "restoration of Russian Sovereignty."

This horse may be foolish, but I didn't hear a word about marching into Paris, or any other EU Country. Not that Putin could have forgotten to mention that.

Basically Putin is looking for a restoration of previous accords which gave Russia the eastern slice of their western sandwich (Donbas) - a slice they've used to benefit since WWI - or before. Plus that elusive "warm weather port."

And it would be so today EXCEPT for that Victoria Nuland and her globalist ilk and the 2014 Accords.

NATO despite its occasional non-$upport by the EU Countries, has now under Joe Biden reconfigured itself as the "police badge" arm of the New World Order.

So its no surprise they would picture Russia in the worst light possible. The New World Order is a big club - and Russia ain't in it.

Dobbin
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Ukraine is about one thing and one thing only, stealing billions upon billions of U.S. Taxpayer dollars. The majority of which get kicked right back to the good old USA and fund the DNC and the Democrat politicians along with enriching the bank accounts of the top congressional swamp rats of both parties. That is why there is no oversight on Ukraine Aid
Well, not entirely. Ukraine was a secret base for bioweapons experiments targeting eastern Europeans & asians. It was also a major human trafficking center. The CIA has/had underground spy centers in Ukraine aimed at infiltrating Russia. The pedo-perverts and death dealers did not want their secrets uncovered.

And the biggest reason: Russia is not owned by the Rothschild banking cartel. Compare that with Saddam Hussein, Bashar al Assad and Muhamar Ghaddaffi.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Putin was not wrong. He told Ukraine “no NATO in Ukraine”!
the cia overthrew the government of Kyiv. Violently. WE are the guilty culprits in Ukraine. When we are nothng more than shadows burned into the ground all across America, you will have no one to blame but the Nazis that run the MIC in this country.
And yet, Putin is STILL not entitled to absorb Ukraine into Russia, any more than Ukraine should become someone else's vassal state. Get it?

After all the puppet governments Putin has been involved in setting up, and all the opposition he's had killed, suddenly he needs to execute an actual, boneified war?

Zelensky and his graft with Biden are real. Russian paranoia over NATO is understandable. Both are excuses for Putin to do something he wanted to do.

It's bad actors on both sides, with the rest of us stuck in the middle.
 

danielboon

TB Fanatic

Russian jamming is now messing up GPS signals for Norwegian aviation practically every day​

Pilots flying the Finnmark region see a sharp spike in disturbances of navigation caused by Russian electronic warfare units located on the Kola Peninsula.
Read in Russian | Читать по-русски
By

Thomas Nilsen


February 26, 2024



All countries in northern Europe bordering Russia are now reporting widespread jamming that could pose a risk to both shipping and aviation.
In the far north, Norwegian Communication Authority says it has received about disturbances to the GPS navigation 44 days in 2024. That is practically every day.
“So far this year until February 22nd it is registered disturbances in 44 days in the airspace over Finnmark,” says senior engineer Nicolai Gerrard, to Dagens Næringsliv.
According to the Norwegian Communication Authority, the reports started to spike as Moscow launched its full-scale war on Ukraine.
There were 122 days with GPS jamming that hit Norway’s northeast corner in 2022 and 294 days in 2023. In 2021, before Putin ordered tens of thousands of troops to attack Ukraine, GPS jamming in the airspace over Finnmark were reported 18 days.
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February 25: Red marks areas with high GPS jamming. Green is low. Russia’s Northern Fleet has several electronic warfare units near Severomorsk, in the Pechenga region near the border with Norway and Finland. The red area marked on the Norwegian side of the border is the final approach for civilian aircraft landing from west to east at Kirkenes airport. Screenshot from GPSJam.org

GPS jamming reports are coming from pilots on the airliners SAS, Norwegian and Widerøe as well as civilian air ambulances flying in and out of Kirkenes airport and the smaller airports along the coast of Finnmark, like Vadsø, Vardø, Båtsfjord, Berlevåg and Mehamn.


Since late last year, the Baltic Sea region has also seen a sharp increase in GPS jamming, both in frequency and size of affected areas. Russia’s military has activated jamming around airports inside the country as a countermeasure to stop Ukrainian drone strikes. Some of the disturbances seen in border regions are caused by such interference, while other jamming is more deliberately aimed at the neighboring countries’ airspace.
GPS jamming reduces positioning accuracy and could also with intense interference cause the receivers in cockpit of civilian planes to lose positioning altogether.
Both police and national authorities have told the Barents Observer previously that Russia’s jamming affecting Finnmark region jeopardizes public safety.
“We depend on good GPS signals to quickly locate areas with people missing in extreme weather like we have today,” Deputy Chief of Police Trond Eirik Nilsen with Finnmark Police District said to the Barents Observer.
Chief of Police Ellen Katrine Hætta said her department has raised questions about the GPS jamming in meetings with Russia’s security police, the FSB.
“I have addressed the problem and explained the consequences for search and rescue. FSB said they would look into the matter,” Hætta said to the Barents Observer.
In addition to police cars, GPS navigation is used by other emergency response services like ambulances, fire trucks and civil defense units.
It was in 2018, simultaniously as NATO’s exercise Trident Juncture took place in Norway, that the first distruptions of GPS signals in Finnmark region were reported. Similar disturbances were reported from Finnish Lapland. Both Norwegian and Finnish authorities tracked the source of jamming to Russia’s Kola Peninsula.
Over the next few weeks, the large-scale NATO exercise Steadfast Defender moves north with the Norwegian-led Nordic Response taking place in the border areas with Sweden and Finland above the Arctic Circle. Russian jamming is now messing up GPS signals for Norwegian aviation practically every day
 
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