NRA Blows Out Own Brains
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EN66iq
Obama has yet to ban any firearms. [Although you know he would of loved to if the climate was right.] Our 'Republican' RINO has already banned assault weapons once in his political career. But we have to vote Romney because he's so much better than Obama you know. Wouldn't offer a bucket of warm spit for either of these clowns.
banana.republic.us
Senior Member
I called a buddy of mine who is an absolute gun FREAK. From his cold dead hands.... And all of that.
He lives in Mass. He follows the gun legislation locally and nationally.
I asked him how Romney was on guns. He said he was good and told me how he pushed back numerous times against the Mass state legislature who were trying to get even more restrictive on gun laws.
I told him what I heard about him wasn't so flattering regarding weapons. He said that words often contradict but actions rarely do.
I dropped the subject realizing he's right. Especially when it comes to guns, gun laws, and anything and everything guns.
He lives in Mass. He follows the gun legislation locally and nationally.
I asked him how Romney was on guns. He said he was good and told me how he pushed back numerous times against the Mass state legislature who were trying to get even more restrictive on gun laws.
I told him what I heard about him wasn't so flattering regarding weapons. He said that words often contradict but actions rarely do.
I dropped the subject realizing he's right. Especially when it comes to guns, gun laws, and anything and everything guns.
Obama has yet to ban any firearms. [Although you know he would of loved to if the climate was right.]
"Fast and Furious" was started in order to provide justification for more gun control... the fact that its cover was blown is largely responsible for the political climate not being right to push for more gun control in the USA.
The mainstream media has been deliberately absent on this story, only the work of the REAL media today (bloggers) is responsible for spreading the word on this story. http://waronguns.blogspot.com/ etc.
"Fast and Furious" was started in order to provide justification for more gun control... the fact that its cover was blown is largely responsible for the political climate not being right to push for more gun control in the USA.
The mainstream media has been deliberately absent on this story, only the work of the REAL media today (bloggers) is responsible for spreading the word on this story. http://waronguns.blogspot.com/ etc.
I don't know how true this article is, but it states the Dems are trying to make a move on the AR-15 in Illinois.
http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=2388
http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=2388
Flippper
Time Traveler
Sadly so.
Hognutz
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Both Booshes were / are NWO Globalist, as was Prescott too. Scum of the Earth...
And he signed it right? Oh....wait.
sy32478
Veteran Member
He know that the votes weren't there. It was a pure political move.
Fritz_The_Cat
Membership Revoked
We should all be scared to death at what Obama will do if he's reelected. The hints are out there.
rhughe13
Heart of Dixie
Thank you!
Bring me a fetus and I'll abort it.
Bring me a gun and I'll ban it.
Somehow I just can't relate to those that put their fingers in their ears and say la la la la la.
Dex
Constitutional Patriot
So what? That's politics, he was appeasing the liberal constituency at that time is all. He's smart enough to not mess with guns on a national scale that can be seen in his actions. When the rubber meets the road, the left has always had the worst record for gun rights.
A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for Obama as well as totalitarianism.
A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for Obama as well as totalitarianism.
DazedandConfused
Veteran Member
They (dems or reps) can ban guns all they want. They are still not getting 'em with out a fight.
And it is a fight that they will LOSE!
And it is a fight that they will LOSE!
Hf I know you hate Romney because he won over Paul but use your head. Listen to what banana republic said.
We all know that Romney isn't a big gun enthusiast but he is a hell of alot more friendly to gun owners than Obama.
Do you think Obama ever even fired a gun? Hell every Mormon I ever new had one of more guns
Lastly Obama thinks you and I and most of the people at TB2K are "bitterly clinging to our guns and religion",
Here are some quotes from Obama before 2008. He has only gotten worse.
Barack Obama on Gun Control (sourced info/quotes on BHO and Guns)
On the Issues
Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:35:53 AM by SoFloFreeper
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws
Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual's right to bear arms?
A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.
Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?
A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don't have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.
Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary Apr 16, 2008
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, "No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns."
Actually, Obama's writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:
35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
Source: FactCheck.org analysis of 2008 Philadelphia primary debate Apr 16, 2008
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok
Q: You said recently, "I have no intention of taking away folks' guns." But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you've said that it's constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?
A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it's important for us to recognize that we've got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people's traditions.
Source: 2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interview Feb 11, 2008
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing
Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?
A: I don't think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I intend to make it happen. We essentially have two realities, when it comes to guns, in this country. You've got the tradition of lawful gun ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt, fish, take their kids out, teach them how to shoot. Then you've got the reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on the streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of firearms that we see on the streets.
Source: 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Jan 15, 2008
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month
Obama sought moderate gun control measures, such as a 2000 bill he cosponsored to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not pass). He voted against letting people violate local weapons bans in cases of self-defense, but also voted in2004 to let retired police officers carry concealed handguns.
Source: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.148 Oct 30, 2007
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers
Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcin and expanding gun control laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.
When I queried him about the vote, he said, "I didn't find that [vote] surprising. I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry. This was a narrow exception in an exceptional circumstance where a retired police officer might find himself vulnerable as a consequence of the work he has previously done--and had been trained extensively in the proper use of firearms."
It wasn't until a few weeks later that another theory came forward about the uncharacteristic vote. Obama was battling with his GOP opponent to win the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police.
Source: From Promise to Power, by David Mendell, p.250-251 Aug 14, 2007
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities
Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men?
A: You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all of us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year alone, in Chicago, we've had 34 Chicago public school students gunned down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We know what to do. We've got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books. We've got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren't loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they're not made in our communities. There aren't any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit. But what we also have to do is to make sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about those 30-some children in Chicago who've been shot as we do the children in Virginia Tech. That's a mindset that we have to have in the White House and we don't have it right now.
Source: 2007 NAACP Presidential Primary Forum Jul 12, 2007
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality
I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer's lobby. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality. Not only do ew need to punish thatman for his crime, but we need to acknowledge that there's a hole in his heart, one that government programs alone may not be able to repair.
Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban
KEYES: [to Obama]: I am a strong believer in the second amendment. The gun control mentality is ruthlessly absurd. It suggests that we should pass a law that prevents law abiding citizens from carrying weapons. You end up with a situation where the crook have all the guns and the law abiding citizens cannot defend themselves. I guess that's good enough for Senator Obama who voted against the bill that would have allowed homeowners to defend themselves if their homes were broken into.
OBAMA: Let's be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.
Source: Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes Oct 21, 2004
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions
Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:•Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
•Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
• Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.
Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would: •Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
•Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
•Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
•Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
•Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices
We all know that Romney isn't a big gun enthusiast but he is a hell of alot more friendly to gun owners than Obama.
Do you think Obama ever even fired a gun? Hell every Mormon I ever new had one of more guns
Lastly Obama thinks you and I and most of the people at TB2K are "bitterly clinging to our guns and religion",
Here are some quotes from Obama before 2008. He has only gotten worse.
Barack Obama on Gun Control (sourced info/quotes on BHO and Guns)
On the Issues
Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2008 10:35:53 AM by SoFloFreeper
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws
Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual's right to bear arms?
A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.
Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?
A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don't have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.
Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary Apr 16, 2008
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, "No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns."
Actually, Obama's writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:
35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
Source: FactCheck.org analysis of 2008 Philadelphia primary debate Apr 16, 2008
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok
Q: You said recently, "I have no intention of taking away folks' guns." But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you've said that it's constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?
A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it's important for us to recognize that we've got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people's traditions.
Source: 2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interview Feb 11, 2008
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing
Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?
A: I don't think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I intend to make it happen. We essentially have two realities, when it comes to guns, in this country. You've got the tradition of lawful gun ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt, fish, take their kids out, teach them how to shoot. Then you've got the reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on the streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of firearms that we see on the streets.
Source: 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Jan 15, 2008
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month
Obama sought moderate gun control measures, such as a 2000 bill he cosponsored to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not pass). He voted against letting people violate local weapons bans in cases of self-defense, but also voted in2004 to let retired police officers carry concealed handguns.
Source: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.148 Oct 30, 2007
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers
Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcin and expanding gun control laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.
When I queried him about the vote, he said, "I didn't find that [vote] surprising. I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry. This was a narrow exception in an exceptional circumstance where a retired police officer might find himself vulnerable as a consequence of the work he has previously done--and had been trained extensively in the proper use of firearms."
It wasn't until a few weeks later that another theory came forward about the uncharacteristic vote. Obama was battling with his GOP opponent to win the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police.
Source: From Promise to Power, by David Mendell, p.250-251 Aug 14, 2007
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities
Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men?
A: You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all of us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year alone, in Chicago, we've had 34 Chicago public school students gunned down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We know what to do. We've got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books. We've got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren't loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they're not made in our communities. There aren't any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit. But what we also have to do is to make sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about those 30-some children in Chicago who've been shot as we do the children in Virginia Tech. That's a mindset that we have to have in the White House and we don't have it right now.
Source: 2007 NAACP Presidential Primary Forum Jul 12, 2007
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality
I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer's lobby. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality. Not only do ew need to punish thatman for his crime, but we need to acknowledge that there's a hole in his heart, one that government programs alone may not be able to repair.
Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban
KEYES: [to Obama]: I am a strong believer in the second amendment. The gun control mentality is ruthlessly absurd. It suggests that we should pass a law that prevents law abiding citizens from carrying weapons. You end up with a situation where the crook have all the guns and the law abiding citizens cannot defend themselves. I guess that's good enough for Senator Obama who voted against the bill that would have allowed homeowners to defend themselves if their homes were broken into.
OBAMA: Let's be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.
Source: Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes Oct 21, 2004
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions
Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:•Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
•Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
• Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.
Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would: •Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
•Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
•Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
•Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
•Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices
naturallysweet
Has No Life - Lives on TB
All those in favor of assault weapons bans, need to be aware that an assault weapon is just a gun that looks scary. Which is why Canada has banned some 22 rifles, because although they shot the same bullets as other 22's, they looked evil.
soccerdad3
Contributing Member
How about voting for the party whose platform on gun control is as follows...
Gun Control
The 2nd Amendment strictly limits any interference with gun ownership by saying: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
The right to bear arms is inherent in the right of self defense, defense of the family, and defense against tyranny, conferred on the individual and the community by our Creator to safeguard life, liberty, and property, as well as to help preserve the independence of the nation.
The right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the Constitution; it may not properly be infringed upon or denied.
The Constitution Party upholds the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms. We oppose attempts to prohibit ownership of guns by law-abiding citizens, and stand against all laws which would require the registration of guns or ammunition.
We emphasize that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have them. In such circumstances, the peaceful citizen's protection against the criminal would be seriously jeopardized.
We call for the repeal of all federal firearms legislation, beginning with Federal Firearms Act of 1968.
We call for the rescinding of all executive orders, the prohibition of any future executive orders, and the prohibition of treaty ratification which would in any way limit the right to keep and bear arms.
www.constitutionparty.com http://www.goodeforpresident2012.com/
You DO NOT HAVE TO vote the lessor of two evils, you can have your vote count by casting a ballot for something besides the status quo.....
Gun Control
The 2nd Amendment strictly limits any interference with gun ownership by saying: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
The right to bear arms is inherent in the right of self defense, defense of the family, and defense against tyranny, conferred on the individual and the community by our Creator to safeguard life, liberty, and property, as well as to help preserve the independence of the nation.
The right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the Constitution; it may not properly be infringed upon or denied.
The Constitution Party upholds the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms. We oppose attempts to prohibit ownership of guns by law-abiding citizens, and stand against all laws which would require the registration of guns or ammunition.
We emphasize that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have them. In such circumstances, the peaceful citizen's protection against the criminal would be seriously jeopardized.
We call for the repeal of all federal firearms legislation, beginning with Federal Firearms Act of 1968.
We call for the rescinding of all executive orders, the prohibition of any future executive orders, and the prohibition of treaty ratification which would in any way limit the right to keep and bear arms.
www.constitutionparty.com http://www.goodeforpresident2012.com/
You DO NOT HAVE TO vote the lessor of two evils, you can have your vote count by casting a ballot for something besides the status quo.....
Hfcomms
EN66iq
First of all....I don't 'hate' any man that God has made. That is a tool that the leftists use to pull one over on others who disagree with them. Your better than that. What it boils down to for me is very simple, cut and dried and I have been very consistent with my views for many years. I took a solemn oath 3 different times to support, protect and preserve the constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic. It is beyond arguing that both major candidates are enemies to the constitution and both candidates have shown with their actions that they have no intent on upholding the constitution that the swore an oath to uphold. I can somewhat excuse the ignorant among us who vote for Romney not knowing any better. But, I can not vote for this man knowing that he uses the constitution for toilet paper like the men before him do. All I have left is my integrity. I will not vote for a man who I know will savage the document he swore an oath to uphold. I WILL NOT!!! I took off the uniform as an army officer but I still wear it in spirit and I took my oath seriously. God himself appoints leaders. He takes one down and puts another one up as He see's fit. I will not be a party to the further destruction of this nation. Any among us who are awake are seeing where this is leading. Are you willing to knowingly prostitute yourself to gain a few more months of a wretched existence to live in peace? You have to answer that for yourself. I am not willing to discard my integrity or my oath to gain a few more months. YMMV There comes a time in a man's life where he must stand for what is right instead of bowing to expedients. I WILL NOT BOW!!
Racing22
Crew Chief
Along those same lines, does anyone know specifically what "deadly assault weapons" Romney was originally referring to? Was he referring to a AR-15 type platform or similar or more generic classification of rifles?
Reason I ask, is that there is a hell of a lot more to "firearms" then just "assault weapons". What's Romney's view on Shotguns, other rifles, handguns, etc.??
rhughe13
Heart of Dixie
Amen Brother! We stand together but are alone.
First O is going to do nothing on gun control. Instead he will appoint possibly as many as three new SCOTUS judges, probably aged such as to be good for 30 years and they will handle the gun problem.
Romney might appoint different judges. So I go with him because I know what O will do.
Romney might appoint different judges. So I go with him because I know what O will do.
JF&P
Deceased
banana.republic.us
Senior Member
I probably will not vote for Romney, but After this exchange with my buddy the gun freak I'll feel better with a Romney win.
I'm too libertarian to vote Romeny. I voted Ron Paul in 88. I voted Nader in subsequent years. Other years I just didn't care.
I'm more conservative than liberal, but I think civil liberties are more important than anything else...
My vote is with GJ and the libertarian party.
OK you dislike him intensely
I guess you never voted then, because I can't recall one candidate who really knew crap about, or respected the constitution and I'm 62 years old.
By the way, I also took that oath. Five times. And Uncle Sam still sends me a monthly thankyou check so don't infer I am prostituting myself because of who I vote for.
You do what you want to. Dislike Romney Intensely
I can understand and live with that, but don't use your beliefs to cast aspersions on others who have served just as you have, who don't happen to see things exactly as you do.
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FloridaGirl
Veteran Member
Yes, I work with a lady like that, then she says that I believe everything I see on the internet. She does not watch the evening news because it upsets her or listen to anything negative because she just wants to shut it out. I do not believe everything I see on the internet, but I am open minded to the point that I want to see what is there and make my discernment on what is right or wrong. I feel there is a lot of people out there like her and I have stopped conversing with her because she is so narrow minded that she cannot see the forest for the trees. She does seem to be against Obama, but I really am not sure about her.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
OK you dislike him intensely
No, not really. Cows moo, snakes slink and globalist politicians take after their own kind.
Then you must not of heard about Ron Paul running in the last few elections. You must not know about a Libertarian and Constitution parties either.
I am not your judge. But you already know in your heart that Romney will savage the constitution just like Obama has. So you are willing to compromise apparently. I will no longer compromise and I see no way to vote for a man that I know and you know will violate his oath of office. You will have to justify your actions within yourself. I can't do so.
You have to live with your own conscience sir. I know of no way to sugarcoat it.
hf, ever say anything you wish you could take back in your life, or are you perfect?
Why haven't you included all the other Romney quotes in your quest for fairness?
. As governor, declared May 7, 2005, as “The Right to Bear Arms Day” in Massachusetts in order to “honor law-abiding citizens and their right to ‘use firearms in defense of their families, persons, and property for all lawful purposes, including common defense.’”
Signed up for a lifetime NRA membership in August 2006.
“I support the Second Amendment as one of the most basic and fundamental rights of every American.” — Sept. 24, 2007, in a video address at an NRA conference.
“When the Brady Bill was first passed, there really wasn’t the kind of Internet that we have to make an instant check. Today, we can make an instant check. And so there’s no reason for a new Brady Bill that would have a waiting period.… I don’t think for a minute that checking someone’s background to make sure they’re not a criminal or they’re not insane is in any way a violation of the Second Amendment.” — December 2007, at a town hall meeting in Londonderry, N.H.
“When it comes to protecting the Second Amendment, I do not support any new gun laws including any new ban on semi-automatic firearms.” — Dec. 30, 2007, in a statement.
“With respect to gun control laws, I believe we need to distinguish between law abiding gun owners and criminals who use guns. Those who use a firearm during the commission of a crime must be punished severely. The key is to provide law enforcement with the resources they need and punish criminals, not burden lawful gun owners.” — 2008 issue statement to The Washington Post on gun control.
I would also bet that Romney has a gun or two in his house as probably do his sons. Again I haven't seen many Mormons who didn't believe in self defense. They learned the hard way.
Why haven't you included all the other Romney quotes in your quest for fairness?
. As governor, declared May 7, 2005, as “The Right to Bear Arms Day” in Massachusetts in order to “honor law-abiding citizens and their right to ‘use firearms in defense of their families, persons, and property for all lawful purposes, including common defense.’”
Signed up for a lifetime NRA membership in August 2006.
“I support the Second Amendment as one of the most basic and fundamental rights of every American.” — Sept. 24, 2007, in a video address at an NRA conference.
“When the Brady Bill was first passed, there really wasn’t the kind of Internet that we have to make an instant check. Today, we can make an instant check. And so there’s no reason for a new Brady Bill that would have a waiting period.… I don’t think for a minute that checking someone’s background to make sure they’re not a criminal or they’re not insane is in any way a violation of the Second Amendment.” — December 2007, at a town hall meeting in Londonderry, N.H.
“When it comes to protecting the Second Amendment, I do not support any new gun laws including any new ban on semi-automatic firearms.” — Dec. 30, 2007, in a statement.
“With respect to gun control laws, I believe we need to distinguish between law abiding gun owners and criminals who use guns. Those who use a firearm during the commission of a crime must be punished severely. The key is to provide law enforcement with the resources they need and punish criminals, not burden lawful gun owners.” — 2008 issue statement to The Washington Post on gun control.
I would also bet that Romney has a gun or two in his house as probably do his sons. Again I haven't seen many Mormons who didn't believe in self defense. They learned the hard way.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Straw man argument. I have said many things I wish I could take back and I am far from perfect as you know. However, I am not willing to violate my oath by voting for a man who will trash the constitution. And you well know that he will do just that. Romney is a politician running for political office and will say what his base wants to hear in order to get elected. You know it [or should] and I know it. We can post hundreds of things for you showing how Romney is in the pocket of the globalists just as Bush before him was. Do not pay attention to what the man says. Pay attention to what the man has done. He says he is for the second amendment but he signed an assault weapons ban into law. He signed socialized medicine into law in Mass when he was governor. He doesn't want to totally overturn Obamacare but wants to modify it. When he was governor of Mass he vastly expanded the reach of State government into the lives of ordinary citizens, ect. You may indulge the fantasy that since he decided to run for President that he has turned over a new leaf. If you really believe that.....well, what can I say. IMO if that is the case then your either willingly ignorant or are grasping at any straw possible. And that is your right.
Hfcomms;4584622]No, not really. Cows moo, snakes slink and globalist politicians take after their own kind.
Need I remind you that Ron Paul was a career politician. He was a good guy but he is not running anymore.
Then you must not of heard about Ron Paul running in the last few elections. You must not know about a Libertarian and Constitution parties either.
All libertarians don't necesarily believe in the constitution, or at least all of it. Ron Paul was a republican for much of his time in office. How is that being true to his beliefs and oath? I'll tell you. He did it out of practical necessity. Something a lot of Army officers don't understand until their sergeant teach them otherwise.
Again believe as you want as long as you don't condemn others for doing the same as the self righteous sometimes do.
I am not your judge. But you already know in your heart that Romney will savage the constitution just like Obama has. So you are willing to compromise apparently. I will no longer compromise and I see no way to vote for a man that I know and you know will violate his oath of office. You will have to justify your actions within yourself. I can't do so.
I truly don't believe there are many people alive in this country who are as evil and will savage the constitution as much as Obama and his minions will. I certainly don't believe Romney comes close to Obama, but you and each of us are entitled to our own opinion. In your time in the military you must not have learned that there are different levels of wrong and evil. To you it all seems the same and all should be treated just as severely. Tell me did you work in security??
No ones asking you to compromise and you should stop trying to get other people to. Go your own way and may God be with you.
You have to live with your own conscience sir. I know of no way to sugarcoat it.
That is true for all of us.
Need I remind you that Ron Paul was a career politician. He was a good guy but he is not running anymore.
Then you must not of heard about Ron Paul running in the last few elections. You must not know about a Libertarian and Constitution parties either.
All libertarians don't necesarily believe in the constitution, or at least all of it. Ron Paul was a republican for much of his time in office. How is that being true to his beliefs and oath? I'll tell you. He did it out of practical necessity. Something a lot of Army officers don't understand until their sergeant teach them otherwise.
Again believe as you want as long as you don't condemn others for doing the same as the self righteous sometimes do.
I am not your judge. But you already know in your heart that Romney will savage the constitution just like Obama has. So you are willing to compromise apparently. I will no longer compromise and I see no way to vote for a man that I know and you know will violate his oath of office. You will have to justify your actions within yourself. I can't do so.
I truly don't believe there are many people alive in this country who are as evil and will savage the constitution as much as Obama and his minions will. I certainly don't believe Romney comes close to Obama, but you and each of us are entitled to our own opinion. In your time in the military you must not have learned that there are different levels of wrong and evil. To you it all seems the same and all should be treated just as severely. Tell me did you work in security??
No ones asking you to compromise and you should stop trying to get other people to. Go your own way and may God be with you.
You have to live with your own conscience sir. I know of no way to sugarcoat it.
That is true for all of us.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Life is full of compromises Terry. It would be impossible to live with others without a measure of compromise. You might compromise with your wife where you are going to go on vacation or what kind of a car to buy or where your kids are going to go to school, ect. There is another kind of compromise however and that is the kind of compromise that violates your core principles and your integrity. That is the slippery slope that we are all afraid of. And to my shame I also compromised. I voted for GHWB in ignorance as I didn't really know what the man was all about but I pulled the lever for him because he had a big 'R' by his name. I compromised and settled for the 'lessor of two evils' [where have we heard that one before] and voted for Mr. new world order the second time even though by then I knew it was wrong because I couldn't stand to see that terrible man Clinton take the Presidency. Fast forward to GWB and I again choose the lessor of two evils and voted for him over Gore hoping that he was not his fathers son [even though I knew better in my heart] so I was well down the slippery slope myself. But then it hit me that I was violating the oath that I took several times. I couldn't do it anymore and it hit me hard. TPTB are experts at playing the left/right, democrat/republican, liberal/conservative false paradigm. But no matter who gets elected we go down the same road don't we? Compromise in this area leads us down the road to national perdition and is no small part the reason we are in the fix we find ourselves in today. If every veteran who ever served would uphold their oath we could elect a President and congress that would fulfill their oath as well. Unfortunately we have detached ourselves from the values that the founding fathers of this once great nation had. If we still have those values we would run these communists and fascists that are in the hallowed halls of government out of town on a rail. But we've fallen too far from our principles to recover them. None of us can change the course this nation is on. But what we can do is have a change of heart and as individuals refuse to play the game and compromise anymore. It may not change the outcome but upholding both principle and an ideal still has value.
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denninger has never been wrong about anything. just ask him and he'll tell you
CB
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In the military we have both been put in situations where we had to chose between two choices that both sucked a big one. One usually sucked more than the other and although it wasn't what I wanted, and I hated it, I had to make a decision and grit my teeth and go with the lessor of two bad things. It happens all the time in the real world of the military, unless we can somehow stack the deck.
In the military you usually have to do something. We didn't always have the luxury of waiting for the perfect morally right option. We went with the BEST option available because to do nothing would have been worse.
I understand you intend to vote for Johnson or a constitutionalist to uphold your principles and more power to you. I am not condemning you for that like you are me, but in the military we called units like that "mission ineffective"
I understand that you want to tell your grandchildren you upheld your principles.
I will tell mine I didn't have that luxury. I did what I could, when I could, with what I had.
Whats funny is that we may both end up with the same failed result but we each tried in our own way.
In the military you usually have to do something. We didn't always have the luxury of waiting for the perfect morally right option. We went with the BEST option available because to do nothing would have been worse.
I understand you intend to vote for Johnson or a constitutionalist to uphold your principles and more power to you. I am not condemning you for that like you are me, but in the military we called units like that "mission ineffective"
I understand that you want to tell your grandchildren you upheld your principles.
I will tell mine I didn't have that luxury. I did what I could, when I could, with what I had.
Whats funny is that we may both end up with the same failed result
but we each tried in our own way.Let's not stop just yet.
Bring me a muslim and I'll love him.
Bring me a white hating negro and I'll love him.
Guess which of the two candidates agrees with those two statements?
Millions and millions scum of the earth democrats agree with you.
Please give me some data to back up your position - unless of course you are a democrat.
Sure Romney sucks.
But worse than a white hating muslim - no way.