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goosebeans

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This is interesting. Not sure why children would be more immune to it if it was a naturally occurring beast.

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China's disease control and prevention center briefs on some findings related to the #nCoV2019: - The novel #coronavirus originated from wild animals - Young people, such as children, are not susceptible to the new type of coronavirus
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But were the wild animals actually in the wild when this "originated".
 

Pinecone

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Good point, Goosebeans.

But it would be very unusual for children to be immune to a novel virus. No one should have any immunity.

The only thing I can think of, and I'm not in the medical field, is that the virus is more dangerous to those with underlying medical conditions, who are more fragile. Those with normal immune systems and health may be able to throw it off. There's been too little info about the victims to really know. Also, it may be like a cytokine storm type response given by a more mature immune system which is why it doesn't seem to be affecting children.

If it's not either of the above, it doesn't make sense.
 

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Killer Wuhan virus reaches Macau
2020-01-22 HKT 11:19|Last updated: 2020-01-22 HKT 12:20

The authorities in Macau on Wednesday announced that they had identified the SAR's first case of the deadly new Wuhan virus that has now spread from the mainland to several other countries.

The patient is a 52-year-old businesswoman from Wuhan.

She was admitted to hospital on Tuesday, after arriving in Macau two days before, via a high-speed train to Zhuhai and is believed to have spent most of her time in a casino.

The officials said the woman went to the hospital saying she had coughing and a sore throat for a week.

After learning she was from Wuhan, authorities classified her a high-risk case and ran multiple checks which revealed that she was suffering from pneumonia.

But the woman developed fever only on Wednesday morning, the officials said.

This puts into question the effectiveness of the temperature checks being implemented in different cities across the world.

Macau officials said they had traced two people who had been in close contact with the woman and they were being placed in quarantine.

All casino staff in the gambling hub were being advised to start wearing face masks, as well as anyone going into hospitals.

Secretary for Social Affairs and Culture Ao Ieong U, who is part of Macau's “Novel Coronavirus Response and Coordination Centre”, said they are now requiring people arriving at any of the city's border points to fill out health declaration forms.

No cases of the new virus, which is similar to Sars, have been confirmed in Hong Kong, but the illness is known to have spread to Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, Thailand and the United States.
 

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BREAKING NEWS
China says new virus adapting and mutating
By REUTERS JANUARY 22, 2020 05:37

A new virus that has killed nine people is adapting and mutating, underscoring the challenges for health authorities in controlling the outbreak, a Chinese health official said on Wednesday.

The coronavirus originated from a market with illegal widelife transactions, Gao Fu, the director-general of China's Center for Disease Control and Prevention, told a news briefing.

The virus, originating in the central city of Wuhan at the end of last year, has spread to Beijing and Shanghai, as well as overseas to the United States, Thailand, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan.
 

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Leading Chinese doctor investigating killer coronavirus outbreak admits he has caught the SARS-like infection as furious families accuse hospitals of not testing patients with tell-tale symptoms
By Stephen Matthews Health Editor For Mailonline
Published: 11:21 EST, 21 January 2020 | Updated: 13:44 EST, 21 January 2020

  • Wang Guangfa was part of a team investigating how the virus emerged in Wuhan
  • 'I was diagnosed and my condition is fine', he told Kong's Cable TV today
  • Dr Guangfa did not give details on how he may have been infected
  • Furious families in China have today accused hospitals of not testing patients

A leading Chinese doctor investigating the killer coronavirus has admitted he has caught the SARS-like infection.

Wang Guangfa, who heads the department of pulmonary medicine at Beijing's Peking University First Hospital, was part of a team of experts that earlier this month visited Wuhan, where the virus first emerged.

'I was diagnosed and my condition is fine,' Dr Wang told Kong's Cable TV. He said he is receiving treatment and will have an ‘injection’ soon.

Dr Guangfa is one of the national experts that previously said the pneumonia-causing virus, which has never been seen before, was under control.

And in a further twist in the outbreak, furious families in China have today accused hospitals of not testing patients with tell-tale symptoms.

Cases have cropped up across Asia, including in South Korea, Thailand, Japan and Taiwan, with officials yesterday confirming the virus has spread between humans.

And in a further twist in the outbreak, furious families in China have today accused hospitals of not testing patients with tell-tale symptoms.

MailOnline can also reveal:

  • A total of 325 people have caught the virus across Asia, including 20 healthcare workers
  • Cases have risen six-fold in the space of a few days, with just 48 confirmed cases on January 17
  • Australia and the Philippines are investigating suspected cases of the coronavirus, which causes a fever and can cause pneumonia
  • North Korea has temporarily banned all tourists from entering the country over fears the Chinese coronavirus will spread
  • South Korean budget airline T’way Air has postponed the launch of its cheap flights to Wuhan, the Chinese city at the centre of the outbreak
  • Experts from the country's National Health Commission have urged Wuhan's 11 million residents not to leave the city
  • The World Health Organization will hold an emergency meeting tomorrow to discuss the outbreak
  • Public health officials in the UK have instructed NHS hospitals on how to deal with cases amid fears the virus will spread
  • The US National Institutes of Health is working on a vaccine against the virus – but it will be months before it can be tested on humans
  • A leading virologist admitted he was scared the virus will spread over the Lunar New Year holidays, with millions of Chinese residents set to travel
  • Another renowned scientists described the coronavirus as being 'one of the newest and biggest global health threats'
  • Countries such as Russia, Kazakhstan and Malaysia have upped their screening methods to detect travellers with a fever in airports
  • Shocking footage captured medics wearing hazmat suits screening Air China passengers for the virus before letting them leave
  • Residents in various Chinese cities are queuing to buy face masks as vendors sell the medical products for 10 times more than normal

Dr Guangfa, who conducted research on Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) in 2003, did not give details on how he may have been infected.

He added that he was receiving treatment, although it is not clear how the new virus is halted in patients. Dr Wang said he will have an 'injection' soon.

'I don't want everyone to put too much attention on my condition,' he told the channel.

Dr Guangfa told state media on January 10 that the outbreak appeared to be under control, with most patients showing mild symptoms and some having been discharged.

He could not be reached by Reuters today.

The outbreak is believed to have started late last month among people connected to a seafood market in Wuhan, where all six fatalities have happened.

State media reported on a fourth victim this morning – an 89-year-old man who lived in Wuhan.

The mayor of the city later revealed there had been two more deaths – a 66-year-old man, known only as Li, and a 48-year-old woman, known only as Yin. Both died from multiple organ failure.

But families of sicked loved who have died of mystery respiratory diseases in recent weeks believe the true number of cases and deaths is far higher, The Guardian reports.

On the microblog Weibo, Wuhan residents have shared stories of family members who had shown symptoms of the virus, but not been tested for it at hospital.

One posted images of her mother’s diagnosis of viral pneumonia and described long queues of patients with similar symptoms late on Monday night, none of whom appeared to have been tested for coronavirus.

'Could all these people suddenly have viral pneumonia?' she said.

Professor Zhong Nanshan, leader of the National Health Commission's expert team, revealed the virus is likely to be spread by saliva in a press conference today.

He told the meeting: 'As of now, it is affirmative that the new strain of coronavirus can be passed between humans.

'The virus is spread through respiratory system and distance of impact is not long, but it is possible that the virus was passed after being stuck to saliva.'

Professor Zhong said officials must 'quarantine the patients and stop them from contacting others'. Antibiotics will not tackle the virus because the drugs only work on bacterial infections.

And he added that the outbreak will not spread like SARS, so long as patients are quarantined immediately and their contacts are traced.

A leading expert told MailOnline the new Chinese coronavirus may have been lurking in animals for decades.

Sir Jeremy Farrar, a renowned specialist in infectious disease epidemics, said the virus isn't new but has likely adapted to infect humans.

Experts from the country's National Health Commission this morning urged Wuhan's residents not to leave the city.

Zhou Xianwang said there has been a total of 258 cases in Wuhan. Twelve cases have been recorded elsewhere in Hubei province, where Wuhan is the capital. Officials in the Chinese city have said they will pay for all medical costs for patients infected with the virus.

Other cases have been confirmed today in Tianjin – a port city just outside of Beijing, as well as in a host of other provinces.

In a statement issued this afternoon, Hubei Province announced five new cases among healthcare workers, including one doctor and four nurses.

Taiwanese media this morning confirmed a case of the coronavirus. The unnamed woman, in her fifties, worked in Wuhan and had returned to Taiwan, CNA reports.

And North Korea has temporarily banned all tourists from entering the country over fears the Chinese coronavirus will spread, according to reports this afternoon.

Two foreign tour operators revealed officials in the Hermit Kingdom told them borders will close tomorrow until the outbreak is 'well under control'.

A South Korean budget airline has also announced it will postpone the launch of its cheap flights to Wuhan, the Chinese city at the centre of the outbreak.

T’way Air said the decision was 'inevitable' given the spiralling number of cases, with 325 people across Asia now confirmed to have the virus.

Reports also state face masks are flying off the shelves across China as the country's citizens prepare themselves for the potential spread of the outbreak, which has already swept the nation.

Pictures and videos circulating on the country's social media show residents in various cities queuing to stock up on the medical products.

Professor John Oxford, a virologist at Queen Mary College, admitted he was 'quaking in my shoes' over the potential spread of the virus that could happen over the Chinese New Year.

He told LBC: 'None of us have faced a new virus faced with so many people in a community travelling around.

'That's what's going to happen in China at the end of the week. Once they are close together in taxis or small rooms, then there may be a problem.'

And Professor Oxford added: 'The only way to stop it is physical cleaning and social distance - keeping away from people.'
Locals have made more than four million trips by train, road and air since January 10 in the annual travel rush for the most important holiday in the country.

The transport peak season will last until February 18 and see three billion trips made within China, according to official statistics.

The US National Institutes of Health is working on a vaccine against the virus, according to reports. But it added that it would be months before a potential jab could be trialed on humans.

Dr Peter Hotez, a vaccine scientist at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, said a team of scientists in Texas, New York and China, told CNN that scientists are working on a vaccine.

He said: 'The lesson we've learned is coronavirus infections are serious and one of the newest and biggest global health threats.'

Australian officials today announced a traveller had been placed in quarantine with symptoms of the virus after returning home from a trip to China.

The man is being kept at his home in Brisbane as he awaits test results for the virus. Earlier tests were inconclusive, Queensland health chiefs said.

The suspected case prompted Prime Minister Scott Morrison to warn Australians travelling to China to 'exercise a high degree of caution' in China’s Wuhan area.

The authorities in Wuhan are taking their own precautions and are using infrared thermometers to scan people from a distance to try and pick out possible cases.

Scanners have been put in place at airports, railway stations and coach stops around the city.

Medics have also been filmed reportedly scanning people's heads to take their temperatures on-board a flight leaving Wuhan on Monday.

The Philippines also announced today that it was investigating its first potential case of the coronavirus.

A five-year-old child arrived in the country on January 12 from Wuhan and has since been hospitalised with flu symptoms.

While the child tested positive for a virus, authorities in Manila said they were not sure if it was the same one that has killed six people in China.

'The child is considered a person under investigation,' Philippine health secretary Francisco Duque told a press briefing in Manila.

Samples from the child were sent to a laboratory in Australia for further testing and authorities are awaiting the results.

The child had a fever, throat irritation and a cough before arriving in the central city of Cebu with a parent, the health department said.

Three other travellers from China were checked by authorities at another airport, but they did not show symptoms that corresponded with the coronavirus.

Increased control measures have been enforced at many places, with scientists still uncertain of the outbreak’s nature and mode of transmission.

But Professor Zhong Nanshan, of China's National Health Commission, said human-to-human transmission was 'affirmative' in a press conference yesterday.

'Currently, it can be said it is affirmative that there is the phenomenon of human-to-human transmission,' he said, according to state broadcaster CCTV.

Two patients in southern China caught the virus from infected family members, and had not visited a seafood market thought to be at the centre of the outbreak.

Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market has been closed and under investigation since January 1 as scientists scramble to determine where the virus has come from.

A total of 322 people in Asia have now tested positive for the virus, which marks a sharp increase from the 48 on January 17.

The outbreak has spread within China, with cases recorded in Guangdong province, as well as Beijing and Shanghai.

People in China have been urged not to panic and to try and enjoy the festive season.

A piece in Chinese newspaper the Global Times said on Sunday: 'The entire Chinese society should be vigilant but should not be in panic.

'We should make the upcoming Spring Festival happy and peaceful, and also pay close attention to every link where the pneumonia may increase transmission.'

Three other countries have also reported cases of the virus - Thailand, Japan and South Korea.

The World Health Organization (WHO) said earlier an animal source seemed to be 'the most likely primary source' of the virus.

Jeremy Farrar, a specialist in infectious disease epidemics and director of the Wellcome Trust global health charity, raised concerns about the number of people travelling through Wuhan.

He said: 'Wuhan is a major hub and with travel being a huge part of the fast approaching Chinese New Year, the concern level must remain high.

'There is more to come from this outbreak.'

He added that coughing is the 'quickest way to spread an infection around the world'.

'Whenever you get something new happening in humans, especially when it is spread by coughing, it is always a worry. It could get worse, it could get better – but you have to plan for it getting worse,' Mr Farrar told MailOnline.

China is entering its busiest travel period due to the Lunar New Year, which sees many people travelling back to their home town or village.

Countries including Japan, Australia and the US have adopted screening measures for those arriving from China due to concerns about a global outbreak like that caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), which spread from China to more than a dozen countries in 2002 and 2003 and killed nearly 800 people.

An analysis from Imperial College London last week estimated the number of cases in Wuhan was probably around 1,700 – but could even be as high as 4,500.

The team did not look at how the virus may be transmitted, but said 'past experience with SARS and MERS-CoV outbreaks of similar scale suggests currently self-sustaining human-to-human transmission should not be ruled out.'

South Korea confirmed its first case on January 20 after a 35-year-old woman arriving at Seoul’s Incheon airport tested positive for the virus. She had been in Wuhan last week.

Officials said she did not have an obvious source of infection, adding that she had not visited any wet markets and wasn't in contact with any known cases.

Last week, one case was confirmed in Japan and two in Thailand, meaning the total number of confirmed cases outside of China now sits at five.

The WHO, which will meet tomorrow to discuss listing the outbreak as an emergency, has only invoked such a status five times in the past.

These were during the last major Ebola outbreaks – last year and in 2014, the Swine flu outbreak in 2009, a resurgence of Polio in 2014, and the Zika outbreak in South America in 2016.

WHO's Emergency Committee must convene to decide on the seriousness of a disease outbreak and the threat it poses to other countries before declaring a PHEIC. These are the incidents it has deemed serious enough in the past:

A British tourist fighting for his life in Thailand is feared to be the first Western victim, but this has not been confirmed.

Ash Shorley, 32, is in critical condition in a hospital in Phuket after being struck down with a lung infection while visiting Koh Phi Phi island.

Mr Shorley had to be transported to hospital by a specialised seaplane because his lung had collapsed and he could not cope with high altitude travel.

Doctors revealed his symptoms were consistent with the Chinese coronavirus. He has been in hospital for nearly a month.

Public Health England maintains that the risk of travellers becoming infected is 'very low', and 'low' for those travelling specifically to Wuhan.

Dr Nick Phin, a deputy director at PHE, said: 'We have issued advice to the NHS and are keeping the situation under constant review.

'People travelling to Wuhan should maintain good hand, respiratory and personal hygiene and should avoid visiting animal and bird markets or people who are ill with respiratory symptoms.

'Individuals should seek medical attention if they develop respiratory symptoms within 14 days of visiting Wuhan, either in China or on their return to the UK, informing their health service prior to their attendance about their recent travel to the city.'
 

Heliobas Disciple

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SOME OF THE SIDEBARS FROM THE ABOVE ARTICLE
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Chinese coronavirus may have been lurking in animals for DECADES before adapting to infect humans, leading expert says

The new Chinese coronavirus may have been lurking in animals for decades, Sir Jeremy Farrar, a renowned specialist in infectious disease epidemics, has said.

The virus isn't new but has likely adapted to infect humans.

Officials say the never-before-seen infection emerged from an animal source, much like the deadly SARS, HIV and Ebola viruses.

Authorities have pointed the blame on food markets in Wuhan, the Chinese city at the centre of the outbreak that scientists are scrambling to contain.

Rodents and bats among other animals are slaughtered and sold in traditional 'wet markets', which tourists flock to see the 'real' side of the country.

Viruses – including ones carried by animals – are constantly changing and may over time become strong enough to infect humans.

People who touch infected animal bodily fluids, such as saliva, are at risk of such viruses. However, it is not exactly clear how the new coronavirus started or is transmitted yet.

Sir Jeremy said animal markets are a 'real source of infection'. Pictured, a market in Hong Kong

Sir Jeremy, director of the UK-based global health charity Wellcome, told MailOnline: 'This is absolutely not a brand new virus.

'This will have been circulating in animals in China and maybe other parts of Asia, probably for years... if not decades.'

He added that it probably hadn't had an effect on humans until now, or caused such mild infections that 'no-one was bothered about' it.

But Sir Jeremy said 'something changed', claiming the virus may have adapted to animals or mutated to become infectious to humans.

Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market has been shut since January 1 because the majority of patients have been connected to it.

Sir Jeremy said animal markets are a 'real source of infection'.

He added: 'It’s a seafood market but it also had animals being sold, from domestic chickens and ducks to all sorts of other animals.

'The mixing of animals in an animal market has been a very common way that these infections have come about.

'Sometimes these viruses can adapt to humans, replicate and cause human infections.'

Pointing at HIV and Ebola, Sir Jeremy said: 'Many, many infections in humans that we know of today actually originated in animals.'

SARS, the deadly virus which started in southern China and killed more than 700 people in the early 2000s, came out of a similar market.

And avian flu, another zootonic disease which can infect humans, can be spread from live birds sold at markets or poultry farms.

Wet markets often sell live animals, many of which are illegal or exotic. The vast number of species allows a virus to adapt.

Mr Farrar said: 'Animals mixing allows the virus to be in lots of different hosts, which allows it to adapt to those animals.

'The virus can them come across to humans [who buy and sell at the market].'

Professor Paul Hunter, an infectious diseases expert at the University of East Anglia, said the coronavirus 'almost certainly' came from animals.

He said people in China are in closer contact with wild animals than those in Western societies because their diet is so varied.

'With China particularly, there is a closer link to animals and what sort of animals people consume,' Professor Hunter said.

'When people go to the market to buy chicken for the week, it's often alive when you buy it. People butcher the animal themselves at home or in the street.'

Infected animals may shed the virus in their saliva, mucous and faeces, which humans may come into contact with.

They may inhale droplets of the virus from the air, or physically touch an infected animal.

Scientists are still trying to work out how the new Chinese virus attacks its host and how deadly it is.

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KILLER CHINESE CORONAVIRUS 'MAY BE PASSED THROUGH SALIVA'

The deadly Chinese coronavirus that has sickened more than 300 people could be passed through saliva, officials today suggested.

China’s National Health Commission yesterday confirmed that the never-before-seen SARS-like coronavirus had spread between humans.

And now the body has revealed the unnamed infection is spread from the lungs and may travel in saliva – such as through coughs.

Professor Zhong Nanshan, leader of the National Health Commission's expert team, revealed the virus is likely to be spread by saliva in a press conference today.

He told the meeting: 'As of now, it is affirmative that the new strain of coronavirus can be passed between humans.

'The virus is spread through respiratory system and distance of impact is not long, but it is possible that the virus was passed after being stuck to saliva.'

Professor Zhong said officials must 'quarantine the patients and stop them from contacting others'. Antibiotics will not tackle the virus because the drugs only work on bacterial infections.

And he added that the outbreak will not spread like SARS, so long as patients are quarantined immediately and their contacts are traced.

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HAS THE CORONAVIRUS SPREAD TO AUSTRALIA AND THE PHILIPPINES?


Australian officials today announced a traveller had been placed in quarantine with symptoms of the virus after returning home from a trip to China.

The man is being kept at his home in Brisbane as he awaits test results for the virus. Earlier tests were inconclusive, Queensland health chiefs said.

It is understood the man arrived in Australia via Sydney International Airport.

He had been visiting family in China's Wuhan province, which is the epicentre of the coronavirus, the Courier Mail reported.

The suspected case prompted Prime Minister Scott Morrison to warn Australians travelling to China to 'exercise a high degree of caution' in China’s Wuhan area.

The Philippines also announced today that it was investigating its first potential case of the coronavirus.

A five-year-old child arrived in the country on January 12 from Wuhan and has since been hospitalised with flu symptoms.

While the child tested positive for a virus, authorities in Manila said they were not sure if it was the same one that has killed six people in China.

'The child is considered a person under investigation,' Philippine health secretary Francisco Duque told a press briefing in Manila.

Samples from the child were sent to a laboratory in Australia for further testing and authorities are awaiting the results.

The child had a fever, throat irritation and a cough before arriving in the central city of Cebu with a parent, the health department said.

Three other travellers from China were checked by authorities at another airport, but they did not show symptoms that corresponded with the coronavirus.
 

Dozdoats

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Not sure why children would be more immune to it if it was a naturally occurring beast.

Children and the young can have stronger immune systems - but that also makes them more susceptible to cytokine storms - see


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Heliobas Disciple

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This next article is alarming if true and would explain the low numbers of cases and fatalities. You don't have to report a case if you didn't officially diagnose it. :shk:

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Coronavirus: Chinese hospitals not testing patients, say relatives
Number of cases, and deaths, could be much higher than those cited in official reports if claims are true
Lily Kuo and Lillian Yang in Beijing
Tue 21 Jan 2020 12.41 GMT Last modified on Wed 22 Jan 2020 03.14 GMT

On 12 January Huang got news his healthy 65-year-old mother had been checked into a hospital in the central Chinese city of Wuhan with a fever and a cough.

There had been reports of a strange new virus with similar symptoms, and the hospital staff were dressed in full hazmat suits. Still, Huang’s mother was not tested for the mystery illness, nor quarantined from other patients.

On 14 January she took a turn for the worse and was slipping in and out of consciousness. A CT scan showed her lungs covered in white nodules. The next evening, Huang’s brother and father watched her die. The official cause of death was severe pneumonia. Two doctors told the family privately that she had probably contracted the virus, but provided no documentation.

The hospital pressured the family to immediately cremate Huang’s mother
, but they refused, asking for more information. A few days later, they relented and workers from a funeral home, also in protective clothing, retrieved, cremated and buried her within a few hours, leaving the family no time to say goodbye. Afterwards, the staff disinfected the van they had travelled in and threw away their hamzat suits.

“My mother’s death was dealt with without any dignity,” said Huang, 40, who did not want to give his or his mother’s full name. “She wasn’t even counted as a number on the government’s list,” he said, referring to the six people authorities say have been killed by the virus.

China is on high alert as a new strain of coronavirus – first detected in Wuhan – spreads across the country. If hospitals are not screening for the virus then the number of cases, and deaths, could be much higher than those cited in official reports.

Authorities reported three more deaths on Tuesday: an 89-year-old male, a 66-year-old male and a 48-year-old female. The government has confirmed 308 cases, with 270 of them in Hubei province, of which Wuhan is the capital.

Cases have been confirmed in Beijing, Shanghai, Chongqing, and Tianjin, as well as the provinces Henan, Zhejiang and Guangdong. Suspected cases have been flagged in 13 provinces across the country – many of them hundreds of miles away from Wuhan. Fifteen health workers in Wuhan have also been infected, according to authorities.

The number of confirmed infections is likely to have been underestimated, according to international public health experts, who say there could be as many as 1,700 cases.

On the microblog Weibo, another Wuhan resident posted images of her mother’s diagnosis of viral pneumonia and described the long queues of patients with similar symptoms late on Monday night, none of whom appeared to have been tested for coronavirus. “Could all these people suddenly have viral pneumonia?” she said.

Another Weibo user complained earlier this month that his father showed the symptoms of the virus but was sent home from the hospital without any screening. The post later disappeared.

The World Health Organization has said the recent rise in cases is a sign authorities are now more aggressively screening for the virus. It will consider declaring an international public health emergency – as it did with swine flu and Ebola – on Wednesday.

The Chinese political body responsible for law and order said on Tuesday that lower-ranking officials who covered up the spread of the virus would “be nailed on the pillar of shame for eternity”.

During the Sars outbreak in the early 2000s, China initially withheld information about it from the public and vastly underreported cases of infection. The virus, which was also caused by a coronavirus, killed 774 people.

Late on Monday, China’s National Health Commission confirmed that the new virus could be spread through human-to-human contact, heightening outbreak fears before the country’s week-long lunar new year holiday, which starts on Friday and during which hundreds of millions of people travel across the country.

On Tuesday internet users posted photos of shops with shelves emptied of face masks. The price of protective face masks sold online has at least doubled, prompting criticism from the state-run China Daily paper, which described the behaviour of sellers as “immoral”. In Beijing, many commuters wore masks indoors and on the subway.

In Wuhan, authorities have begun to control the number of people leaving and entering the city, according to state TV. Guards are keeping a 24-hour watch on the now closed Huanan seafood and animal market, suspected as the source of the outbreak. Tour groups are barred from leaving and random spot checks are being conducted on vehicles coming in and out of the city to see whether they carry live animals.

Advice online has ranged from washing one’s hands to not using the self-service screens at McDonald’s. Some people said they had cancelled plans to travel home for the holidays. Some internet users posted notices from their employers giving them permission to work from home this week.

At the crematorium in Wuhan, Huang said he met one other family whose relative had died in similar circumstances.

He was not sure how his mother would have caught the virus. She had not gone to the seafood market, and was healthy and active. “Everyone said she was a good person – always helping people,” he said. “In the end, she died alone and no one had a chance to say goodbye.”




 

Mark D

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This next article is alarming if true and would explain the low numbers of cases and fatalities. You don't have to report a case if you didn't officially diagnose it. :shk:
Just like Australia after their gun ban: IIRC, there was a sudden spike in "accidental" deaths, that corresponded exactly with the sudden drop in "Gun related" deaths.

Governments LOVE to massage the numbers - especially China.
 

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Canada takes extra measures as Chinese coronavirus diagnosed south of border
Airports and hospitals across Canada are implementing disease control measures to prepare for a possible spread of the new Chinese virus.

by True North Wire
January 21, 2020

Canadian health officials have been put on alert after the first case of the deadly Wuhan coronavirus was detected in the US.

Airports and hospitals across Canada are implementing disease control measures to prepare for a possible spread of the new Chinese virus.

BC Provincial Health Officer Bonnie Henry says there is “no doubt” that the virus will arrive in Canada, making it a question of when rather than if.

On Tuesday, a Washington state resident was diagnosed with the virus in Seattle, less than 200 km from the Canadian border. The infected individual had recently returned from a trip in the Wuhan region, where the virus was first discovered.

Nonetheless, the national director of the US’ Center for Disease Control has described the risk to the public as “very low.”
According to Chinese health authorities, six people have already died as a result of the virus, while another 291 have been infected.

China has confirmed the virus can be transmitted by human-to-human contact. The head of a team investigating the virus at China’s National Health Commission has confirmed two reports of infection between humans.

The World Health Organization is convening an emergency meeting Wednesday to determine whether the virus’ spread is a public health emergency.

Several border entries and airports, including the international airports in Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal, have added health screening questions to their electronic kiosks and have asked travellers to inform border patrol agents if they have travelled in the Wuhan region or are experiencing any symptoms.

Canada takes extra measures as Chinese coronavirus diagnosed south of border – True North
 

jward

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Not the least bit odd or unusual for differing age groups to have differing suseptabilities, though I can't recall the various implications attendant each circumstance. Looks though, with a casual glance, that you're seeing older folks and co morbidity issues. I'd be more alarmed if it was the younger strong folks and strong immune systems were creating those cytonic storm affects. At this point the glass still looks pretty full from here. They're enacting their protocols, being transparent and excercising lots of caution.

ETA as Night explained we have to wait till the patient dies, or recovers, in order to include them in the CFR figures.
I am not alarmed that people are dying initially, as its typical that the most ill and infirm seek tratment. However the best and brightest in the field caution against assuming there is a large group out there who were mildly ill and recovered....as that is a model not actually known to exists.

Still i cant imagine it isn't the case, and that and the fact we ferreted out earlier that only 12\300 folks were listed as critical and thus needing the ICU and, possibly mech. Intervention, seems positive.....keep your hands washed & use an abundance of caution just the same if you're in high risk areas or have preexisting conditions.
 
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Heliobas Disciple

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A google translated article from the original Chinese. (click on hyperlink)

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(As this is is a translated version, it may not read that easily but it's better than some language translations I've read, I think they do the Chinese translations pretty well.)

Wuhan Mayor Interviewed by CCTV Reporter: The weak link in epidemic prevention and control lies in the floating population
CCTV News Client January 22, 2020 03:21

In the afternoon of January 21st, Mayor Zhou Xianwang of Wuhan City responded to the hot issues of netizens, such as infection of medical staff, holding Wanjia banquets, and canceling activities to benefit the people during the Spring Festival.

Question 1:

Reporter:
Yesterday, Academician Zhong Nanshan raised the situation that there is a medical staff infection in Wuhan. Did we have the news in Wuhan before? Now we notice that there is a lot of public opinion saying that there was no mention of infection by medical staff in Wuhan in all previous news reports.

Wuhan Mayor Zhou Xianwang: The cross infection that occurred at the Union Hospital of Huazhong University of Science and Technology this time is very distressing. The cross-infection at Union Medical College Hospital, Huazhong University of Science and Technology, occurred in a patient in neurosurgery, not in the Department of Infectious Diseases. Because neurosurgery ignored the patient's infection with the new coronavirus prior to admission. So after the operation, the patient developed a fever. At this time, one doctor and 13 nurses were infected. This lesson is very profound, that is, prevention and control must be neglected, and every detail and every link must be strictly controlled. Well, this is also related to our understanding of the harm and spread of the virus, which did not reach such a high level in the beginning.

Question 2:

Reporter:
On January 19th, the community of Baibuting also hosted a Wanjia Banquet. Haven't we issued a risk warning in this regard before?

Wuhan Mayor Zhou Xianwang: Baibu Pavilion is a very good sample of Chinese mass autonomy. They have the habit of Wanjia banquet every year before the Spring Festival, and they also organize some events on major festivals each year. The reason why we continue to hold this event this year is based on our previous judgment that the spread of the epidemic was limited to people, so there was not enough warning about this. Well, it was later confirmed that person-to-person communication has emerged, and this trend may be even more violent, so we quickly adopted various measures and required various activities to be “not necessarily not held”. The gathering of personnel has been strictly controlled. This time the Baibu Pavilion gathering event, although there is no cross-infection, has indeed sounded the alarm for us.


Question 3:

Reporter:
Now you judge, is there any weak link in our prevention and control in the next step?

Wuhan Mayor Zhou Xianwang: This weak link is still in the floating population. Because the Spring Festival has arrived, we have more than 5 million floating people in Wuhan. They have to go out, and many have to go back to Wuhan to reunite and save their relatives. This is a large flow . Then there is a large-scale return trip after the Spring Festival. If it is not controlled well, an explosive peak will appear.

Therefore, the solutions that experts are studying to cope with, like our city government and the prevention and control command, are how to deal with this situation, which can make up the weak links and minimize this impact.

Question 4:

Reporter:
Wuhan City urgently canceled the tourism activities for the people from the first day to the fifteenth. Do you think it's too late to cancel this decision?

Wuhan Mayor Zhou Xianwang: From the perspective of constant awareness of the epidemic, only at this time do we realize how harmful it is. Then if the spread of the virus can be seen from the beginning, it is certainly good to find an effective way to prevent and control it. The problem is that it usually does not reach this depth in the beginning.

As soon as this outbreak occurred on December 30, an expert group of the National Health and Medical Commission entered Wuhan. The process of understanding the virus by the expert group is gradual, and our prevention and treatment programs are constantly optimized, but we have not yet reached every rule of the virus change, and every hazard that has changed is controlled so accurately, so some activities are Phased out. After the clear "people-to-people " judgment came out, we quickly adopted many measures, and of course, in accordance with the requirements of General Secretary Xi, put people's lives and health first, and resolutely curbed the spread of the epidemic.
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
Migrant labor in China are Chinese but come off the farms.

So migrant labor moves back and forth from their farms and factory work sites all over China.

There is no way to control the spread of a viral disease over China.

Much the same as Western countries where people move all over the country.
 

COelf

Contributing Member
My son and I are thinking of getting surgical masks. I don't care if I look like a jerk. I just don't want to end up in the hospital again.
I think this is a very good idea. I would much prefer looking weird than being sick. And with that said the people who wear masks here I associate with having TB (infectious) or AIDS (preventing illness due to immune issues). I would wear a mask if the virus were closer to home. I do not care what anyone thinks. I am making CS and spraying it on everything so hopefully, we can stay healthy this winter.
We rarely get out but I do have to go shopping for milk and bread once a week so I do any necessary shopping in one day. I have noticed an uptick in the number of illegals in the store this week. One man was opening packages and stuffing his coat with food. :kk1:
We have been discussing this virus in class but have found more info here than there.
I think this is a virus that escaped the Level IV lab either intentionally or by mistake. I do not buy the fish market info put out by the Chinese government. I have read where the Chinese government has cleaned up the market and no further information on any virus was found in the market or not. Good cover. Another point is that the Chinese said it was SARS-like and the genetics puts it closer to the bat coronavirus. Both of SARS and this one have a common point but are way different in mutations from that one point.
This virus has the potential to overwhelm hospitals quickly so be sure to have flu remedies handy.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
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Hong Kong confirmed its first case of a new flu-like coronavirus on Wednesday following an outbreak in the central mainland China city of Wuhan, local broadcasters RTHK, Cable TV, and TVB said, citing unnamed sources.

The emergence of a SARS-like virus in China is the last thing Hong Kong's struggling economy needs, analysts say, as the city reels from the twin storms of the global trade war and months of political unrest.

The outbreak, which began in Wuhan, has spread to more Chinese cities including the capital Beijing, Shanghai, and Macau and cases have been reported outside the country's borders, in South Korea, Thailand, and Japan.

 

Plain Jane

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No Chinese Allowed": Hysteria Grips Asia As Millions Travel Amid Viral Outbreak
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On Wednesday, health officials in China once again announced a sharp increase in the number of reported cases of the mysterious new coronavirus that is now confirmed to have caused at least nine deaths, as we reported last night.
As hundreds of millions of Chinese leave the country for vacation destinations abroad - all part of what the NYT described as the largest human migration on Earth - the hysteria has reached a fever pitch.
In Japan, one shopkeeper in the mountain town of Hakone (a popular vacation destination) has been heavily criticized for hanging a sign outside his door reading 'no Chinese allowed'. The full message displayed on the sign (pictured below) reads: "No Chinese are allowed to enter the store...I do not want to spread the virus."





According to the SCMP, the as-yet-unidentified owner of the confectionery store told the Asahi newspaper that he used a translation application to write the message in Chinese, adding, "I want to protect myself from the virus and I don’t want Chinese people to enter the store."

Japanese tourism officials apologized for the shopkeepers' actions after he was roundly criticized on social media.

Shin Hae-bong, a professor of law at Aoyama Gakuen University, said the store owner was not breaking the law, as Japan doesn't have any laws against discrimination on the books.

And while Chinese tourists could try to take him to court, that would take some time.

This is obviously wrong, but the only thing that could be done would be for a suit to be filed as many Japanese courts have in recent years ruled against places that bar people based on their nationality," she said.
"The courts have, in those cases, used the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination for the basis of their rulings."
Meanwhile, back in Wuhan, Chinese officials are taking drastic measures to try and contain the spread of the virus from the city where it was first discovered. Stocks steadied as China’s National Health Commission detailed its plan of action for stopping the virus's spread. According to Bloomberg, health officials said China has stepped up monitoring of transportation links and ordered a near-complete shutdown of the central city of Wuhan, where the virus originated. Officials acknowledged, however, that they’re still grappling to understand the pathogen, which has infected multiple medical workers.

"We are still on a learning curve," said Gao Fu, head of Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention. "The disease will continue to develop," he said, adding that it has already changed from its early stages of detection.
However, while Beijing continues with its transparency act to try and calm the panic, China's Weibo users have been expressing their disappointment in their government in unusually blunt terms (considering the amount of censorship that goes on). Users on Weibo and WeChat complained about being left in the dark, and accused the government of endangering lives by waiting to disclose that the virus can travel between humans.

Overnight, the first instances of the virus were reported in Macau, and according to the SCMP, health authorities in Hong Kong are carrying out their third test to confirm that a patient from Wuhan is indeed infected with the virus.

Some 440 cases of the SARS-like virus have been confirmed so far across 13 Chinese provinces. China's medical authorities have 1,394 patients are under medical observation.

All of the deaths so far have been from Wuhan, a city of 11 million people at the center of the outbreak. They include eight men, aged 61 to 87, and one 48-year-old woman. Almost all of those who have succumbed to the virus had preexisting medical conditions.

The most up-to-date map from the NYT (which still doesn't reflect all of the known cases) illustrates just how far the virus has spread both within China, and abroad.


Following confirmation from the CDC that the first case of the virus had been diagnosed in the US, President Trump said during an interview from Davos that his administration has everything "totally under control."

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“We have it totally under control,” President Trump says after the CDC confirmed the first U.S. case of the coronavirus that has sickened hundreds of people in China. #Davos2020 https://cnb.cx/2TG1NOl

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We're still waiting to see if the WHO, which is meeting Wednesday, will declare the outbreak a dangerous pandemic. The outbreak began in a seafood and poultry market in Wuhan, a city of 11 million in central China. Nine have died already. But how many more will succumb before this latest viral plague is contained?
 

mzkitty

I give up.

We're still waiting to see if the WHO, which is meeting Wednesday, will declare the outbreak a dangerous pandemic. The outbreak began in a seafood and poultry market in Wuhan, a city of 11 million in central China. Nine have died already. But how many more will succumb before this latest viral plague is contained?

Normally I'd say blame the chickens, but this time who knows

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magnetic1

Veteran Member
I think this is a very good idea. I would much prefer looking weird than being sick. And with that said the people who wear masks here I associate with having TB (infectious) or AIDS (preventing illness due to immune issues). I would wear a mask if the virus were closer to home. I do not care what anyone thinks. I am making CS and spraying it on everything so hopefully, we can stay healthy this winter.
We rarely get out but I do have to go shopping for milk and bread once a week so I do any necessary shopping in one day. I have noticed an uptick in the number of illegals in the store this week. One man was opening packages and stuffing his coat with food. :kk1:
We have been discussing this virus in class but have found more info here than there.
I think this is a virus that escaped the Level IV lab either intentionally or by mistake. I do not buy the fish market info put out by the Chinese government. I have read where the Chinese government has cleaned up the market and no further information on any virus was found in the market or not. Good cover. Another point is that the Chinese said it was SARS-like and the genetics puts it closer to the bat coronavirus. Both of SARS and this one have a common point but are way different in mutations from that one point.
This virus has the potential to overwhelm hospitals quickly so be sure to have flu remedies handy.

I often wear my mask and I don't have either TB or AIDS, but severe lung issues and I am always worried I will get sick from all the folks who go out and about while they are sick and don't care who they infect! People are always taken aback when I tell them I wear a mask to keep them from making me sick.....for some reason nobody ever thinks about it from that angle.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
What doesn't seem to be realized in a lot of places is that while yes, especially after mid-term break/New Years the Chinese diaspora will be an issue (when they return back to their colleges or adopted homes) the SERIOUS danger for mass infections is likely to be the people who don't "look" like they "should" matter.

Aka that totally white British guy who is sick in Bangcock for instance, if he had shown up in a bush NHS ER during flu season on London; especially in the early stages of the disease, he'd be put on a "trolly" (gurney) while they looked for a bed maybe for up to 48 hours (while he's in a hallway breathing and coughing on everyone, already having done so in the ER and the Plane).

Even when he gets sicker unless some busy intern notices the guy just came back from the Far East (maybe even Australia) no one is likely to make a connection between the flu-respiratory type symptoms and this new virus.

By the time they do realize it, dozens or even hundreds could be infected depending on just how easily this thing spreads and we simply don't know that for certain yes.

Now someone Chinese looking that showed up with exactly the same symptoms, especially if they were obviously a non-Native English speaker would be asked for their travel details and isolated right away (if that is at all possible).

That's why there is a serious danger in what people are NOT expecting, as well of course from people who actually do fit the profile and have traveled in the affected area.

Japan just banning Chinese people won't solve their exposure issues, though it might give them a few extra days before the tourists going to both countries (or business people) starting landing as carriers.

This is a worse case scenario of course, it may not get that bad.
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
Husbands company just pulled 3 employees out of China who were not due to leave until Monday. All 3 have been traveling in the Wuhan area over the past few days but again will leave out of PEK(Beijing). Hopefully they don't just screen planes from Wuhan..... Company will not be sending anyone else to China until they get more clarification on what's going on. Normally have multiple people over there at any given time and I've never seen the company even consider doing this before so they must think it has the potential to be serious.
 

cowboy

Veteran Member
NY Times by Roni Rabin has a story out about the Washington St man 2 hours ago, but I've yet to find it
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
This is the Daily Mail, it is a tabloid, they live to shock so take this headline with a grain of salt - but they also sometimes break real stories that no one else wants to touch with a barge pole. This is from a very long-long-long article they just keep adding to and is best read at the link. - Melodi

Killer coronavirus 'could ALREADY be in Britain': Heathrow passengers to be isolated as experts reveal up to TEN THOUSAND patients in Chinese city of Wuhan alone may be infected
 
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