CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

mzkitty

I give up.
Thanks Ms Kitty. A question for everyone. If this thing takes off, at what point will you become concerned enough that you stay home/ shelter in place? I think after 3 confirmed cases in the nearest city I would avoid going out. Any thoughts?

My son and I are thinking of getting surgical masks. I don't care if I look like a jerk. I just don't want to end up in the hospital again.
 

Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Folks need to REREAD post 171.

6/300 is NOT the correct calculation. 6/30 is. comes back as 19%.

We are just a TAD early to be able to do that calculation in this instance.

Give it 3-5 days.


For those of us who are in need of definitions to really understand, or try to:

CFR is:
Case fatality rate is calculated by dividing the number of deaths from a specified disease over a defined period of time by the number of individuals diagnosed with the disease during that time; the resulting ratio is then multiplied by 100 to yield a percentage.
https://www.britannica.com/www.britannica.com › science › case-fatality-rate


situation:
 

vector7

Dot Collector
For those of us who are in need of definitions to really understand, or try to:

CFR is:
Case fatality rate is calculated by dividing the number of deaths from a specified disease over a defined period of time by the number of individuals diagnosed with the disease during that time; the resulting ratio is then multiplied by 100 to yield a percentage.
View attachment 180043www.britannica.com › science › case-fatality-rate


situation:



That's not good. :(

From the link:

As an example, consider two populations. One population consists of 1,000 people; 300 of these people have the specified disease, 100 of whom die from the disease. In this case, the mortality rate for the disease is 100 ÷ 1,000 = 0.1, or 10 percent. The case fatality rate is 100 ÷ 300 = 0.33, or 33 percent.
 
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jward

passin' thru
Where
Thanks, just start screaming if it goes bad,,

Will do, Shooter, but don't worry too much, for real.

As to when to worry or shelter in place....hmm. I am just not worried. If my 120 county Area was out of hospital beds, setting up treatment tents, and unable to be supplied relief equipment and persons from other parts of the nation, i would stay home in an abundance of caution. Keep in mind though, I am probably dead next time severe pneumonia hits, so i have to be careful...
 

forpetesake

Senior Member

China Connection

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Great Northwet

Veteran Member
Hmm, I'm not sure what to think-and certainly not enough time in my busy professional life to link sources.

I work on the u.washington campus. 27% of the student body are Asain out of 43,000 students. 4127 from China alone. Out around Campus today I noticed many Chinese students wearing face masks for the first time. There are always a few but not this many.

Classic surgical masks but not the N95 like I have.

I didn't have time to read all about Coloidal silver earlier in the thread, but I'll swear by it's uses for taking down a cold. Just put 20 drops in your tea in the morning.

I have no idea about how to lace a mask with Coloidal silver, but if anyone has a clue I need to know about it-I'm in 20-25 buildings everyday and many of them are classrooms.
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
My son and I are thinking of getting surgical masks. I don't care if I look like a jerk. I just don't want to end up in the hospital again.
Better safe then sorry. I saw a blip on the news about this last night. I have to get caught up to speed on this thread.
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
Being a novel virus no one has any prior immunity. So far the death rate has been fairly low, while incapacitating for a time.

The real worry is if it combines with, or is changed by, something else and becomes more deadly. With it spreading around the world this increases the probability of it happening.

Shadow

20% fatality rate ain’t low in my book
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
Here's the link if someone doesn't beat me to it!


First case of China-linked coronavirus reported in US, federal officials say

At least one person in the United States is infected with the mysterious pneumonia-like virus that’s killed at least six people and sickened some 300 others since the illness was first reported in the Chinese city of Wuhan.

The case of the new coronavirus was confirmed in a man in Seattle, Washington, Reuters reported.

The outbreak has now affected five countries including the US. In addition to China, officials in Thailand, South Korea, and Japan have also reported cases, according to the CDC.

Well, that was quick. NOT surprised.
 

jward

passin' thru
Outbreak from new virus rises to 440 in China, with 9 dead
6 minutes ago



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In this Tuesday, Jan. 21, 2020, photo, a worker monitors display screens for infrared thermometers as they check travelers at Hankou Railway Station in Wuhan in southern China's Hubei province. The U.S. on Tuesday reported its first case of a new and potentially deadly virus circulating in China, saying a Washington state resident who returned last week from the outbreak's epicenter was hospitalized near Seattle. (Chinatopix via AP)


BEIJING (AP) — The number of cases of a new virus has risen to 440 in China and the death toll has risen to 9, Chinese health authorities said Wednesday.
Deputy Director of the National Health Commission Li Bin told reporters that the figures were current as of midnight Tuesday. All the deaths had been in Hubei province, home to Wuhan city where the first illnesses from coronavirus were reported in late December.
Li said that marked an increase of 149 confirmed cases. He said Japan and South Korea had confirmed one case each and Thailand three. The U.S. and Taiwan also confirmed one case each on Tuesday.

Concerned about a global outbreak similar to SARS, another coronavirus that spread from China to more than a dozen countries in 2002-2003, numerous nations have adopted screening measures for travelers from China, especially those arriving from Wuhan.

The worries have been heightened by the coming of the Lunar New Year holiday rush, when millions of Chinese travel at home and abroad.

Officials said it was too early to compare the new virus with SARS or MERS in terms of how lethal it might be. They attributed the spike in new cases to improvements in detection and monitoring.

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TBonz

Veteran Member
Hope this doesn't take root here. I live in a majority Asian area and yes, they travel back home.

My sister travels frequently to Seattle.

So no, stay away from the U.S. please.
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Any thoughts here on how effective the Diamond-V XPC animal feed yeast (if I'm spelling this correctly) might be against this thing? I have masks and nitriles, which I will use when I start my 12 hour support shifts at a hospital in Frisco, TX Feb 3rd; think I should try and hunt some Diamond-X down before then. Can get various colloial silver spray bottles around here but never had or considered a nebulizer...
 

Reasonable Rascal

Veteran Member
Re. masks, see ^ #157, Pg 4

Would love to see that study replicated a couple of times. Once is a beginning, repeatable results are more conclusive. Not saying I don't believe the author, just that I would like more certainty.

One thing not illustrated within the article was the type of surgical mask. Were they ties vs. elastic, 4-point vs. 2-point? Then there are also filtration levels. I always opted for the sub-micron level filtration, ideally 0.1 micron, with 0.3 my back-up. Many of the imported brands would conspicuously lacking in that information.

RR
 

jward

passin' thru
PSA we can search this, or any individual thread now. We can also bookmark individual posts for easy access. Additionally, we've a whole forum on infectious diseases with a fabulous collection of information on prevention:
Infectious Diseases


Dozdoats post on
Masks:
Following up on PPE (personal protective equipment) aspects of this news...
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September 3, 2019


Surgical masks as good as respirators for flu and respiratory virus protection

by UT Southwestern Medical Center


Surgical masks as good as respirators for flu and respiratory virus protection
Dr. Trish Perl. Credit: UTSW
Researchers may finally have an answer in the long-running controversy over whether the common surgical mask is as effective as more expensive respirator-type masks in protecting health care workers from flu and other respiratory viruses.


A study published today in JAMA compared the ubiquitous surgical (or medical) mask, which costs about a dime, to a less commonly used respirator called an N95, which costs around $1. The study reported "no significant difference in the effectiveness" of medical masks vs. N95 respirators for prevention of influenza or other viral respiratory illness.
"This study showed there is no difference in incidence of viral respiratory transmission among health care workers wearing the two types of protection," said Dr. Trish Perl, Chief of UT Southwestern's Division of Infectious Diseases and Geographic Medicine and the report's senior author. "This finding is important from a public policy standpoint because it informs about what should be recommended and what kind of protective apparel should be kept available for outbreaks."
Medical personnel—in particular nurses, doctors, and others with direct patient contact—are at risk when treating patients with contagious diseases such as influenza (flu). A large study conducted in a New York hospital system after the 2009 outbreak of H1N1, or swine flu, found almost 30 percent of health care workers in emergency departments contracted the disease themselves, Dr. Perl said.

During that pandemic, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommended using the tighter-fitting N95 respirators, designed to fit closely over the nose and mouth and filter at least 95 percent of airborne particles, rather than the looser-fitting surgical masks routinely worn by health care workers, Dr. Perl said. But some facilities had trouble replenishing N95s as supplies were used.

In addition, there are concerns health care workers might be less vigilant about wearing the N95 respirators since many perceive them to be less comfortable than medical masks, such as making it harder to breathe and being warmer on the wearer's face.
Earlier clinical studies comparing the masks and respirators yielded mixed results, said Dr. Perl, also a Professor of Internal Medicine who holds the Jay P. Sanford Professorship in Infectious Diseases.

The new study was performed at multiple medical settings in seven cities around the country, including Houston, Denver, Washington, and New York, by researchers at the University of Texas, the CDC, Johns Hopkins University, the University of Colorado, Children's Hospital Colorado, the University of Massachusetts, the University of Florida, and several Department of Veterans Affairs hospitals. Researchers collected data during four flu seasons between 2011 and 2015, examining the incidence of flu and acute respiratory illnesses in the almost 2,400 health care workers who completed the study.

The project was funded by the CDC, the Veterans Health Administration, and the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), which is part of the U.S. Health and Human Services Department and was founded in the years after Sept. 11, 2001, to help secure the nation against biological and other threats.

"It was a huge and important study—the largest ever done on this issue in North America," Dr. Perl said.

In the end, 207 laboratory-confirmed influenza infections occurred in the N95 groups versus 193 among medical mask wearers, according to the report. In addition, there were 2,734 cases of influenza-like symptoms, laboratory-confirmed respiratory illnesses, and acute or laboratory-detected respiratory infections (where the worker may not have felt ill) in the N95 groups, compared with 3,039 such events among medical mask wearers.

"The takeaway is that this study shows one type of protective equipment is not superior to the other," she said. "Facilities have several options to provide protection to their staff—which include surgical masks—and can feel that staff are protected from seasonal influenza. Our study supports that in the outpatient setting there was no difference between the tested protections."

Dr. Perl said she expects more studies to arise from the data collected in this report; she now plans to investigate the dynamics of virus transmission to better understand how respiratory viruses are spread.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Things to remember:

ANY time you have a pig pen with 2 or more pigs in it you have a FANTASTIC BSL-4 lab doing AMAZING recombinant DNA work, because that's just what pigs do.

The numbers on this are VERY early, so there ain't a lot to hang ANYTHING on. Fear won't change them and COULD screw up OUR analyses for OUR OWN safety.

Once Aesop gets Virginia pulled out of his ass, and his hemorrhoids with it, he'll have a fairly no-nonsense take on this over at --

But I'd wait for him to get rid of his own butthurt symptoms.
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
It is so funny that they say the spread is not great.

Care to work out how many foreigners are in Wuhan at a time?

My guess would be two the three hundred. So at least 10 have become infected and traveled already.

I lived for years in a Chinese city of one million. It had about 30 Westerners.

Wuhan is about 8 times that
population and not a rich area. So eight times 30 would give an idea of how many foreigners would be living in Wuhan.
 

jward

passin' thru
New China virus: Officials warn it 'could mutate and spread further'
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A Chinese boy hugs a relative as she leaves to board a train at Beijing Railway station before the annual Spring Festival

Image captionAuthorities confirmed that human-to-human transmission of the virus took place
A new virus that has killed nine people could mutate and spread further, Chinese health officials have warned, as they step up containment measures.
There are now 440 confirmed casoes of the outbreak that originated from a market with illegal wildlife in Wuhan.
It has now spread to several Chinese provinces as well as overseas including to the US, Thailand and South Korea.
Authorities admitted that the country was now at the "most critical stage" of prevention and control.
On Tuesday, it was confirmed that human-to-human transmission of the virus had taken place.
'Increased risk'
In one of the first public briefings since the beginning of the outbreak, National Health Commission vice-minister Li Bin said there was evidence that the disease was "mainly transmitted through the respiratory tract".
But China has still not been able to confirm the exact source of the virus.

"Though the transmission route of the virus is yet to be fully understood, there is a possibility of virus mutation and a risk of further spread of the epidemic," said Mr Li.
The warning comes as millions of people across China are travelling within the country for the Lunar New Year week-long holiday. Thousands are also travelling abroad.
Mr Li added that the festival would "increase the risk of the disease spreading and the difficulty of prevention and control".

He said strict measures to control the disease would be put in place.

He also called for those in Wuhan to "avoid crowds and minimise public gatherings". A ban on the trade of live poultry and wild animals has also been implemented in the city.


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Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB

Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB

Coronavirus: What to know about the mysterious illness
By Louis Casiano | Fox News

Former CDC chief speaks out on coronavirus risk for the U.S.
The first case of the mysterious pneumonia-like virus, which has killed at least six people since first being reported in China, has been confirmed in the U.S.

Former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and President and CEO of Resolve To Save Lives, Dr. Thomas Frieden, weighs in on what to do if symptoms arise and what precautions are being taken to fight the spread of the disease.

Health officials around the world are keeping an eye on the outbreak of a new pneumonia-like virus that has killed at least six people and sickened some 300 others since it was first reported in China at the end of 2019.

Officials with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) announced “enhanced health screenings” at several major U.S. airports for passengers arriving from or traveling through China's Wuhan province.

FIRST CASE OF CHINA-LINKED CORONAVIRUS REPORTED IN US, FEDERAL OFFICIALS SAY
Hundreds of people have been infected by the virus. The first case of coronavirus in the United States was confirmed Tuesday in Seattle, after a man arrived home last week -- before the airport health screenings were announced.
Staff in biohazard suits hold a metal stretcher by the in-patient department of Wuhan Medical Treatment Center, where some infected with a novel coronavirus are being treated, in Wuhan, China, on Tuesday. Heightened precautions were being taken in China and elsewhere Tuesday as governments strove to control the outbreak of the coronavirus, which threatens to grow during the Lunar New Year travel rush. (AP Photo/Dake Kang)

Staff in biohazard suits hold a metal stretcher by the in-patient department of Wuhan Medical Treatment Center, where some infected with a novel coronavirus are being treated, in Wuhan, China, on Tuesday. Heightened precautions were being taken in China and elsewhere Tuesday as governments strove to control the outbreak of the coronavirus, which threatens to grow during the Lunar New Year travel rush. (AP Photo/Dake Kang)

What is the disease?
Coronaviruses are a family of viruses named after their appearance, a crown, said Dr. Mark Rupp, an infectious disease expert at the University of Nebraska Medical Center.

There are many types and a few are known to infect humans. Some cause colds and respiratory illnesses, while others have evolved into illnesses such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS).

SARS began in China and infected some 8,000 people during a 2002-2003 outbreak. Approximately 770 people died after it spread to other cities and countries.

SPREAD OF CORONAVIRUS PROMPTS CDC TO EXPAND 'ENHANCED HEALTH SCREENINGS' TO 2 MORE US AIRPORTS
"This is the third kind of novel coronavirus that we're having experience with that can cause lower respiratory tract disease," Rupp said Tuesday.
In some rare cases, the virus can be transmitted from animals to humans but are typically transferred during contact between humans, according to the CDC.

What are the symptoms?
Common symptoms include headaches, a runny nose, fever, sore throat and cough. Human coronaviruses can result in lower-respiratory tract illnesses such as pneumonia or bronchitis, according to the CDC.

Symptoms for SARS and MERS are much more severe than for common coronaviruses. Both cause respiratory problems. Those infected with MERS may also feel fatigued, experience shortness of breath and could develop kidney failure.

About three or four out of 10 people that were reported to have MERS have died, according to the CDC.
Map shows coronavirus outbreak cases in Asia.

Map shows coronavirus outbreak cases in Asia.

How is the virus spread?
Coronaviruses are commonly spread through the air by coughing and sneezing or personal contact such as shaking hands or touching. Another way the virus is spread is through touching objects with the virus on the surface and then touching yourself.

People in the U.S. typically get infected during the fall and winter months but it is not uncommon for infections to occur in the spring and summer.

CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK IN CHINA SPARKS 'SUPER-SPREADER' FEARS AS PNEUMONIA-LIKE ILLNESS SICKENS HUNDREDS
How to treat it?
There is no vaccine for human coronaviruses, and most people will recover on their own. A room humidifier or hot shower can relieve a sore throat and cough, the CDC says. Mildly sick patients should drink liquids and rest as must as possible.
Worse symptoms should be checked out by a doctor.
Health officials hand out information about the current coronavirus at Kuala Lumpur International Airport in Sepang, Malaysia. Countries both in the Asia-Pacific and elsewhere have initiated body temperature checks at airports, railway stations and along highways in hopes of catching those at risk of carrying a new coronavirus that has sickened more than 200 people in China. (AP Photo/Vincent Thian)

Health officials hand out information about the current coronavirus at Kuala Lumpur International Airport in Sepang, Malaysia. Countries both in the Asia-Pacific and elsewhere have initiated body temperature checks at airports, railway stations and along highways in hopes of catching those at risk of carrying a new coronavirus that has sickened more than 200 people in China. (AP Photo/Vincent Thian)

Prevention
The CDC recommends washing your hands with soap and water for at least 20 seconds and to avoid touching the eyes, nose and mouth with unwashed hands.

Avoiding close contact with people will reduce the chances of infection. Those infected should stay home and avoid human-to-human contact, especially crowds.
Fox News' Madeline Farber contributed to this report.
 
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