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Chinese media confirms that asymptomatic cases of coronavirus are now excluded from the government's official count. This contradicts WHO guidelines. It's unknown how many asymptomatic cases there are.
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WHO on China changing its definition for a confirmed case: "We're not aware of that change. We'll check it out obviously, but we're not aware of any significant change to the case definition, certainly not one that discounts lab-confirmed cases .. It sounds strange." https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Except the incubation period is now stated as being as long as 24 days...

So, everyone that has been released as cured or not having the flu, needs to be recalled for more testing ( /sarc ). What a FUBAR...
I had the closest encounter with a possible carrier two weeks ago yesterday. Passed by one week ago yesterday. I had a light cough yesterday and was a bit nervous, it was most likely from the cigar....now I get to start the clock again, I guess.
 

blackjeep

The end times are here.
I had the closest encounter with a possible carrier two weeks ago yesterday. Passed by one week ago yesterday. I had a light cough yesterday and was a bit nervous, it was most likely from the cigar....now I get to start the clock again, I guess.
The cigar is like a prophylactic AND it kills bugs dead!! :lol:
 

PanBear

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Chance

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Remember, IF this is a bioweapon, someone didn't spend time and $$$ making something with a short incubation period, short shelf life, low lethality rate, single host, one mode of transmission, low rate of mutation, easy to test for, easy to treat, etc. They want bang for their buck.

Maybe design something one can recover from, then have a massive relapse after a long asymptomatic infection time.

Why make just another coronavirus that can be followed with the usual models? We have that now going around.

IF this is a bioweapon its not going to act like anything we've seen before. And its going to continue being a mystery/surprise.
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
Unless they're specifically looking for a mutation of that sort, what are the odds they're finding it?

Are they even testing the casualties?

Honestly? probably fairly high. As many samples as they can they are testing. I know that they have found a number of variants but I don't know if they are associating them with different patient outcomes.

It may be woo, and I think that it would be irresponsible for me to promote something without evidence. But I have distinctive thoughts on the matter for sure.
 

PanBear

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jward

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Coronavirus: Public risk still low, but Santa Clara County declares local emergency to prepare
Declaration is a procedural move that allows county to leverage mutual aid resources

Santa Clara County has declared a local emergency due to the coronavirus outbreak, a procedural move that allows the county to leverage state funds and mutual aid resources if more cases of the virus are confirmed locally.

County public health officials say the risk to the general public is still low, and the declaration approved by the Board of Supervisors Monday afternoon does not change that.

“The declaration and proclamation do not signify any increase in risk to the residents of Santa Clara County. These actions empower the County to more effectively respond to the outbreak, seek and utilize mutual aid, potentially obtain reimbursement, and ensure that the County’s public health professionals have all necessary tools at their disposal to keep the community safe,” the Public Health Department said in a statement.

As of Monday, two cases of coronavirus had been confirmed in Santa Clara County. In both cases, the individuals traveled to Wuhan, China where the virus originated. Unless a person has traveled to China, or had close contact with a person who has, county health officials say the risk is low and there has been no evidence of person-to-person spread of the virus in Santa Clara County.


State law allows local public health officers to declare a local emergency for up to seven days, which the county did on Feb. 3. The board’s action Monday extended the emergency declaration by another 30 days.

The declaration allows the county to receive mutual aid resources from the state and neighboring jurisdictions, including potential recovery of costs if the governor also declares a state of emergency, according to the county.



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The new virus is a respiratory illness with symptoms similar to the flu — fever, cough, and shortness of breath — that appear two to fourteen days after exposure, according to the Centers for Disease Control.



“All of this can be prevented by people washing their hands and staying home when they are sick,” public health officer Dr. Sara Cody told the board Monday afternoon.





 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
This is not every ones cup of tea, but for my own sanity amidst 'doom & gloom',
I'll occasionally succumb to some dark humor. Just skip past if easily offended...
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC5rc8EUs2A
(2.5 min)

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
Here ya go. I noticed that a man at a desk was using a pop up weather pod (used by soccer moms and dads to keep warmwhile watching a game ) as personal protection. They are vinyl, so you could conceivable spray them down with Lysol or wipe with clorox wipes. I imagine, however, they are not airtight. Might reduce a viral load from coughing. Amazon.com: soccer mom personal tents
 

marsh

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Coronavirus: Public risk still low, but Santa Clara County declares local emergency to prepare
Declaration is a procedural move that allows county to leverage mutual aid resources

Santa Clara County has declared a local emergency due to the coronavirus outbreak, a procedural move that allows the county to leverage state funds and mutual aid resources if more cases of the virus are confirmed locally.

County public health officials say the risk to the general public is still low, and the declaration approved by the Board of Supervisors Monday afternoon does not change that.

“The declaration and proclamation do not signify any increase in risk to the residents of Santa Clara County. These actions empower the County to more effectively respond to the outbreak, seek and utilize mutual aid, potentially obtain reimbursement, and ensure that the County’s public health professionals have all necessary tools at their disposal to keep the community safe,” the Public Health Department said in a statement.

As of Monday, two cases of coronavirus had been confirmed in Santa Clara County. In both cases, the individuals traveled to Wuhan, China where the virus originated. Unless a person has traveled to China, or had close contact with a person who has, county health officials say the risk is low and there has been no evidence of person-to-person spread of the virus in Santa Clara County.


State law allows local public health officers to declare a local emergency for up to seven days, which the county did on Feb. 3. The board’s action Monday extended the emergency declaration by another 30 days.

The declaration allows the county to receive mutual aid resources from the state and neighboring jurisdictions, including potential recovery of costs if the governor also declares a state of emergency, according to the county.



Related Articles
The new virus is a respiratory illness with symptoms similar to the flu — fever, cough, and shortness of breath — that appear two to fourteen days after exposure, according to the Centers for Disease Control.



“All of this can be prevented by people washing their hands and staying home when they are sick,” public health officer Dr. Sara Cody told the board Monday afternoon.





Don't tell me that. I am in the next county over - ugh.
 

shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Here ya go. I noticed that a man at a desk was using a pop up weather pod (used by soccer moms and dads to keep warmwhile watching a game ) as personal protection. They are vinyl, so you could conceivable spray them down with Lysol or wipe with clorox wipes. I imagine, however, they are not airtight. Might reduce a viral load from coughing. Amazon.com: soccer mom personal tents
For late-comers joining you in bugging out, could become their
required quarantine quarters till assured they were not infected.

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
For those interested in which shortwave bands are working where you live in real time, go to:


A screen capture of band conditions at 8PM EST. As you can see, not much is working now above 3Mhz on the east coast, which means short distances only.
I think they are ripping out the communication towers in Commiefornia.
 
Disconnected: Why markets are booming while the world reels from the coronavirus outbreak


Opinion

Disconnected: Why markets are booming while the world reels from the coronavirus outbreak
Stephen Bartholomeusz

Stephen Bartholomeusz
Senior business columnist
February 11, 2020 — 11.37am


The US stockmarket hit yet another record overnight and other major markets, including the Australian exchange, are within sight of their own high points. The world must be in good shape, right?

With the death toll from the coronavirus now surpassing that of the SARS epidemic in 2003, China’s economy almost in lockdown and the ripples spreading through the region as that shutdown disrupts global supply chains there is an obvious disconnect between the economic impacts of the virus and the sharemarkets’ responses.

China's economy was in trouble before the virus outbreak.

China's economy was in trouble before the virus outbreak.Credit:Getty

The world’s not in that great a shape.

In the US, it could be argued, continued solid economic data and the end of the impeachment proceedings might provide an optimistic under-pinning for a record market, even though some companies like Apple, or the US car makers, with both direct and supply chain exposures to China, are already being adversely affected.

More broadly, it would appear, markets (after a one-day plunge a week and a half ago) are taking their guidance from the SARS experience, where the epidemic had a sharp but modest impact on the global economy. It is estimated SARS shaved only between about $US40 billion and $US100 billion ($60 billion and $149 billion) off global GDP and was over within six months.



Coronavirus outbreak

Coronavirus could cause collapse of world's supply chains

Most of the analysis of the latest epidemic sees the coronavirus shaving 10 to 20 basis points off global GDP this year, with the impact concentrated in this quarter ahead of a strong bounce back in the June quarter. Thus the economic effects of the virus are regarded as a temporary and fleeting.

Apart from the fact that the virus has yet to be contained that is probably an optimistic viewpoint.

As many have noted, in 2003 China represented only about 4 per cent of the global economy but today it constitutes more than 14 per cent.

It is also far more connected and central to global economic activity. It’s a massive market for other countries goods and services, the major global centre for manufactured products and a major intermediary in global supply chains and trade.


It’s also worth remembering that China’s economic fragility isn’t only due to the virus.

The trade war with the US and, even before that, its own attempts to deleverage and re-orient its economy towards consumption had slowed its growth rate to levels last seen nearly 30 years ago.


That makes the inevitable further slowing of the growth rate of the world’s second-largest economy – and by far the biggest contributor to global growth – of even greater significance than it might otherwise have been.


So, why are the markets so complacent?

They may not be. The US bond market is inverting again, with short term interest rates now higher than most longer term rates.

In the past inversions in the US bond market have presaged economic slowdowns, indeed recessions. In the current circumstances the inversion probably has to do with a flood of cash pouring into the market in a flight to the traditional safety of US Treasuries.

That, and a strengthening of the US dollar against America’s major trading partners as news of the virus emerged, would be consistent with a rise in anxiety levels among global investors.

The sharemarket might be benefitting from the same flight to safety but from investors willing to take apparently higher risks for greater returns.

With monetary policy settings in the US where they are, that perception of higher risk might not be the reality.
In the post-crisis era it has become apparent – and a conviction among equity investors – that central banks, while citing economic policy motivations for their actions, will do whatever it takes to avoid stresses in their financial markets.
The distinction between real economies and financial markets seems to have been blurred and the fundamentals of earnings and assets have become less relevant that the markets’ expectations of the central bankers’ next moves.
In a somewhat perverse development in this post-crisis period, those market expectations seem to have been factored into central bank decision-making. To avoid wealth-destroying market tantrums the central banks have generally delivered what the markets want.

The US Federal Reserve Board has already relaxed US monetary policy. It cut its benchmark rate three times last year after the sharemarket imploded late in 2008 as investors responded to the threat of more rate rises.

It is also reflating its balance sheet in response to last year’s seizure of the "repo" market.

If the coronavirus were seen as a threat to US growth, whether directly or indirectly through its impact on the global economy or both, the Fed will inevitably cut rates again and, if necessary, step up its purchases of Treasury bills and bonds in a full-scale quantitative easing program.
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/bu...-up-in-the-shipping-news-20200210-p53zci.html

Chilling effect of the coronavirus is turning up in the shipping news

Other central banks, including the Reserve Bank, would have no option but to respond in kind to avoid a sharp appreciation in their currencies that would throttle their own growth.

Thus sharemarket investors would feel as though they have central bank insurance against a downside from the coronavirus that is greater than is generally anticipated.

All’s good in their world.
 

marsh

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Chaos Brings Opportunity...And Chaos

I went through my E.R.'s supplies this past weekend, and made a list of items that we source from China. The list is esoteric, and very inside-baseball, unless you're in the trade. I sent it, in a memo, up the chain, so that hopefully administration will source alternative vendors for items which may become Chinesium Unobtanium any day now, until further notice, because between 50-500M Chinese are no longer going to work in the toy factories that make the things I use to make sick people well. So forget the item list, but take away this TL;DR note:

Of 54 major items, 43% (23 items) are sourced from, assembled in, or produced in China. That's nearly half of everything we use, 24/7/365, forever.

Many of them might be sourced elsewhere (and I hope to hell we do it before it bites us in the ass); but many cannot be. The lack of some will get you or someone like you killed if I haven't got it.

Multiply that times nearly 5600 U. S. hospitals, and countless clinics and doctor's offices, just for healthcare, nationwide, and you can begin to grasp the magnitude of this problem.


Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
I read that India had put a ban on exporting the cotton that go into making several personal protective gear items.
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
People's Daily, China
February 10, 2020

Full-front disinfection work has started in #Wuhan, an effort to contain the spread of #coronavirus
video 1:16 min

View: https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/1226902394765746176


some heavy duty spraying


The spraying in Wuhan and other cities leads credence that the WARS Virus is airborne....

How many on vessels, trains, taxis and planes have been exposed and do not know it????

How many have carried the virus to other countries and to their home countries and homes????

Texican....
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
This is the same guy who did the audio interview a few days, ago... Someone else posted this video ( 38 minutes ) but I couldn't find it, again, to give them credit.

This is bad, bad, news if he is accurate...

Basically, weaponized SARS with a lethality rate of 15% and an infection rate of 83%!


Francis Boyle is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. He received an AB (1971) in Political Science from the University of Chicago, then a JD degree magna cum laude from Harvard Law School, and AM and PhD degrees in Political Science from Harvard University. He practiced tax and international tax with Bingham, Dana & Gould.

Professor Boyle serves as counsel to Bosnia and Herzegovina and to the Provisional Government of the Palestinian Authority. He also represents two associations of citizens within Bosnia and was involved in developing the indictment against Slobodan Milosević for genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Over his career, he has represented national and international bodies including the Blackfoot Nation (Canada), the Nation of Hawaii, and the Lakota Nation, as well as numerous individual death penalty and human rights cases. He has advised numerous international bodies in the areas of human rights, war crimes and genocide, nuclear policy, and bio-warfare. From 1991-92, he served as Legal Advisor to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations.

Professor Boyle served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International, as a consultant to the American Friends Service Committee, and on the Advisory Board for the Council for Responsible Genetics. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, that was approved unanimously by both Houses of the U.S. Congress and signed into law by President George H.W. Bush.

EDUCATION
AM, PhD Harvard University
JD Harvard Law School
AB University of Chicago

AREAS OF EXPERTISE
Constitutional Law (U.S. Foreign Affairs)
Human Rights
Jurisprudence
U.S. Foreign Affairs




Wuhan Coronavirus IS an Offensive Biological Warfare Weapon Dr Francis Boyle
In an explosive interview Dr. Francis Boyle, who drafted the Biological Weapons Act has given a detailed statement admitting that the 2019 Wuhan Coronavirus is an offensive Biological Warfare Weapon and that the World Health Organization (WHO) already knows about it.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=cUNHz7IUDdc&feature=emb_title
 

Cuffo

Contributing Member
Here ya go. I noticed that a man at a desk was using a pop up weather pod (used by soccer moms and dads to keep warmwhile watching a game ) as personal protection. They are vinyl, so you could conceivable spray them down with Lysol or wipe with clorox wipes. I imagine, however, they are not airtight. Might reduce a viral load from coughing. Amazon.com: soccer mom personal tents
I was at Chick Fil A the other day in the rain and they were using them and I thought the same thing as you.
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This will warm you to the cockles of your heart. British scientists latest spread map. Bear in mind when they went up to the Alaskan permafrost to dig up those 1918 flu victims preserved tissue, that it reached all the way up there too. Spread by birds and spores. The whole planet got exposed to Spanish Flu, similar to the Black Death. This is one of those moments. This is going to be universal Like Chicken Pox, your immune system has to take the initial hit and you must survive it whether its a mild case or severe case. I compare it to your lungs going for a ride thru a short stretch of forest fire with the car windows down, you will breathe in a tiny ember or two and it will leave the inside of your lungs with some 2nd and 3rd degree burn spots, raw and sore. China moving to martial law procedure is message enough that they mean business about the spread.
Not sure what will be the event that triggers our stampede response here, could be seeing firing squad vids on peeps with no masks on in a sub tropical zone or African looting chaos. Its tense here already, folks are edgy, so the shoe will drop soon.

View: https://twitter.com/importantintel1/status/1226987435063742465
Ok, that's going to leave a mark.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
People's Daily, China
February 7, 2020

A hospital in E China’s Nanjing has put a virus-killing robot to work to combat #coronavirus. The smart robot can turn 360 degrees in tight places to conduct disinfection, keeping medics safe from cross infection.
video 36sec

View: https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/1225713309036335105



a UV disinfection robot
Wow, this would revolutionize hospital disinfection processes. You just have to have a soundtrack that says "Danger, danger Will Robinson"

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IPPn9t6dyE
.04 min
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....

vestige

Deceased
#10,979:

This is bad, bad, news if he is accurate...

Basically, weaponized SARS with a lethality rate of 15% and an infection rate of 83%!


Weaponized virus was discussed early in the thread and generally poo pooed as tin foil.

Did something change?
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
#10,979:

This is bad, bad, news if he is accurate...

Basically, weaponized SARS with a lethality rate of 15% and an infection rate of 83%!


Weaponized virus was discussed early in the thread and generally poo pooed as tin foil.

Did something change?

Several top scientists have stated that the WARS Virus was weaponized....

Such as:

[MEDIA]
]View: https://youtu.be/cUNHz7IUDdc[/MEDIA]


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=cUNHz7IUDdc&feature=emb_title

Texican....
 

northern watch

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Vincent Lee‏Verified account @Rover829 13s13 seconds ago

SHANGHAI, Feb 11 (Reuters) - The coronavirus outbreak could trim China's full-year economic growth rate by as much as 1 percentage point in 2020, a senior member of a Chinese government think tank said in comments published on Tuesday.
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
People's Daily, China
February 7, 2020

A hospital in E China’s Nanjing has put a virus-killing robot to work to combat #coronavirus. The smart robot can turn 360 degrees in tight places to conduct disinfection, keeping medics safe from cross infection.
video 36sec

View: https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/1225713309036335105



a UV disinfection robot
Interesting, how we've long viewed robots as eventual enemies of mankind, and here they are being intellignetliy applied to remote feed and disinfect during this crisis.
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic
Vincent Lee‏Verified account @Rover829 47s47 seconds ago

Reuters: "Assuming the virus is contained by the end of March, we revise down our 20Q1 GDP growth forecast considerably to 3.6% and the annual growth modestly to 5.3%", Citi analysts said in a note. Citi previously forecast Q1 growth of 4.8% and full-year growth of 5.5%.
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
#10,979:

This is bad, bad, news if he is accurate...

Basically, weaponized SARS with a lethality rate of 15% and an infection rate of 83%!


Weaponized virus was discussed early in the thread and generally poo pooed as tin foil.

Did something change?
Gotta dig for the article from last year that was discussing the Wuhan lab using bat viruses for gene therapy... That something along those lines escaped, make much more sense - employees selling lab animals at the meat market, etc, etc.

EDIT TO ADD:

Found it:
Bat adeno-associated viruses as gene therapy vectors with the potential to evade human neutralizing antibodies

So NO, it's not a bioweapon by design. More of a malfunctioning biological factory robot, that broke free from it's moorings, and went on an arc-welding slaughterbot rampage.
 
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northern watch

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Eric Feigl-Ding‏ @DrEricDing 29m29 minutes ago

UK is finally waking up to this virus with now 8 diagnosed in last few days. A Brit flying from Singapore also seeded 4 infections in French Alps, and to Mallorca, Spain. (There’s maybe a
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colonial joke somewhere, but the virus is too serious to joke).
 
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