Let No House Divide

[kozanne]

These 'differences' are NOT philosophical. Ask those of us who have lost family members, friendships that have ended during this campaign. BECAUSE of this campaign.

You are talking about differences in fundamental ways of thinking and living that have already divided families, spouses and friends. To think that this will all magically stop now that the campaign is over is ridiculous and unrealistic. As goes the campaign, so goes the administration, behaviorally speaking.

A neolib friend of mine told me something once that I now realize is true, you cannot nuture a relationship where these kinds of differences exist. It is a recipe for heartache and disaster.

But in a way, I'm okay with it. Less distraction for me as I exert what efforts I can to resist the creation of an obamanation.

 

[Ravekid]

The napkin note is disgusting and is a case of an ill-mannered person behaving badly.

No. It is representative of certain Obama supporters. I would say 15% or so.

 

[fruit loop]

Ravekid, those people are no more representative of the Obama campaign than was that nutjob McCain supporter who carved up her own face. They're people who behave badly on every other day of their lives.

Ask those of us who have lost family members, friendships that have ended during this campaign. BECAUSE of this campaign.

THAT is the exact reason for this thread: is it worth it to lose a beloved family member or a longtime friend just because of the way someone votes???

Most of us can usually "live and let live" when a friend or family member is involved. That should not change because of an election. Hell, I was married to a hardcore conservative once, and we went to the polls fully aware that we were going to cancel each other's votes. That was life.

Don't let hatred trump love.

 

[diamonds]

Ravekid, those people are no more representative of the Obama campaign than was that nutjob McCain supporter who carved up her own face. They're people who behave badly on every other day of their lives.

Ask those of us who have lost family members, friendships that have ended during this campaign. BECAUSE of this campaign.

THAT is the exact reason for this thread: is it worth it to lose a beloved family member or a longtime friend just because of the way someone votes???

Most of us can usually "live and let live" when a friend or family member is involved. That should not change because of an election. Hell, I was married to a hardcore conservative once, and we went to the polls fully aware that we were going to cancel each other's votes. That was life.

Don't let hatred trump love.

Fruit Loop in all fairness I am going to tell you why I did get angry with you.. I am not angry at those who supported the creep.. I am angry at how hypocritical you are.. I am angry that by posting this you deliberately slapped us who did not want him in the face..

I have watched you for years.. You have anger over alot of issues not only in your life but directed at other situations also.. So IMHO you should understand that anger... You have spent years here and do not always operate under the "Don't let hatred trump love" theory..

IMHO it was bad taste to start this thread as early as you did.. It was also bad taste when it came from a person who does not live by the words she is trying to place on others Those of us who are angry need time to process the situation... By posting this when you did, how you did and to be honest coming from someone who carries alot of hurt, anger and hatred was and is enough to keep the rhetoric going..

When you reach out to give others an olive branch there is always a place and a time in which it is effective.. You did not wait for the appropriate time and by doing this immediately you were stirring the crap so to speak.. It came across to some of us as gloating and smugness.. So maybe some of you that supported him should give those who did not the time to process and deal with feelings before anymore of the "olive branch" unless the point is to stir the crap up and keep it going

 

[kozanne]

THAT is the exact reason for this thread: is it worth it to lose a beloved family member or a longtime friend just because of the way someone votes???

To make sure we all understand each other, it was because I would not vote for your president that I was the one ostracized. Your president will be known at the great divider.

 

[kozanne]

Fruit Loop in all fairness I am going to tell you why I did get angry with you.. I am not angry at those who supported the creep.. I am angry at how hypocritical you are.. I am angry that by posting this you deliberately slapped us who did not want him in the face..

I have watched you for years.. You have anger over alot of issues not only in your life but directed at other situations also.. So IMHO you should understand that anger... You have spent years here and do not always operate under the "Don't let hatred trump love" theory..

IMHO it was bad taste to start this thread as early as you did.. It was also bad taste when it came from a person who does not live by the words she is trying to place on others Those of us who are angry need time to process the situation... By posting this when you did, how you did and to be honest coming from someone who carries alot of hurt, anger and hatred was and is enough to keep the rhetoric going..

When you reach out to give others an olive branch there is always a place and a time in which it is effective.. You did not wait for the appropriate time and by doing this immediately you were stirring the crap so to speak.. It came across to some of us as gloating and smugness.. So maybe some of you that supported him should give those who did not the time to process and deal with feelings before anymore of the "olive branch" unless the point is to stir the crap up and keep it going

I agree completely. That olive branch, if it was ever real, looked like a warclub to me. It also looked condescending, which has been a hallmark of some of the neolibs on this board. My gut says, gift in one hand knife in the other. I cannot trust their president and I cannot trust them. You will have to prove yourselves.

 

[Bad Hand]

It isn't only the South that hates having the Northern and Left Coast ideas crammed down their throats it is the West to and we probably hate this more than the South. In my state Obamanation lost in a land slide along with the Democraps that were running for congress. We are to separate countries and will become more divided as time goes on.

Those people have no idea what living in the west is like but yet they want to tell us how to do it.

 

[pugdog]

Fruit Loop in all fairness I am going to tell you why I did get angry with you.. I am not angry at those who supported the creep.. I am angry at how hypocritical you are.. I am angry that by posting this you deliberately slapped us who did not want him in the face..

I have watched you for years.. You have anger over alot of issues not only in your life but directed at other situations also.. So IMHO you should understand that anger... You have spent years here and do not always operate under the "Don't let hatred trump love" theory..

IMHO it was bad taste to start this thread as early as you did.. It was also bad taste when it came from a person who does not live by the words she is trying to place on others Those of us who are angry need time to process the situation... By posting this when you did, how you did and to be honest coming from someone who carries alot of hurt, anger and hatred was and is enough to keep the rhetoric going..

When you reach out to give others an olive branch there is always a place and a time in which it is effective.. You did not wait for the appropriate time and by doing this immediately you were stirring the crap so to speak.. It came across to some of us as gloating and smugness.. So maybe some of you that supported him should give those who did not the time to process and deal with feelings before anymore of the "olive branch" unless the point is to stir the crap up and keep it going

+100

I had to do a double take when I seen who started this thread. One of the biggest hate filled bigots here. that is why FL has been banned in the past.

 

[fruit loop]

Diamonds, I'm flattered by this fascination that you seem to have with me for whatever reason. I just wish you'd get it right when you try to psychoanalyze other people, me especially.

Believe me, I am NOT "gloating" over the election. I don't consider it an important factor in relationships, thus the reason for this thread. I find it appalling that some people are actually ending friendships and shunning family members just because of a vote! Is it worth this?? Never!

Friends and family are precious, as are all members of a community. It's not worth this divisiveness.

Pug, go back and look at your posts during this time. Not once did I tell someone they were ugly or call them traitors, commies, dirty, rats or such. You can't say the same.

 

[diamonds]

Diamonds, I'm flattered by this fascination that you seem to have with me for whatever reason. I just wish you'd get it right when you try to psychoanalyze other people.

Believe me, I am NOT "gloating" over the election. I don't consider it an important factor in relationships, thus the reason for this thread. I find it appalling that some people are actually ending friendships and shunning family members just because of a vote! Is it worth this?? Never!

Friends and family are precious, as are all members of a community. It's not worth this divisiveness.

Pug, go back and look at your posts during this time. Not once did I tell someone they were ugly or call them traitors, commies, dirty, rats or such. You can't say the same.

What was there to psychoanalize You could not even acknowledge my feelings... I felt I owed it to you to explain why I felt anger.. Your olive branch thread was the first one up

So you can not understand--ok... No comprehension about anyone elses feelings--ok.. So you can not address the way I felt--ok..

I would have respected you if you could have at least tried to understand what I had to say I would have then thought you extended the olive branch honestly and wanted to disuss how both of us felt as adults.. Guess I was wrong

 

[Monkeywrench]

We have started getting all of this same "komrade love" from our liberal friends now that they are - "the man", "the machine", "the establishment"...


...a little sugar makes the medicine go down...

 

[fruit loop]

Anger, disappointment, and bitterness are to be expected. What disturbs me is the way some people are so angry that they are ending friendships and banishing family members. Over an election???

I'm certain people have weathered worse disagreements in their personal and community relationships, so why cut off people you care about over a VOTE???

Dislike and hatred for the candidate are understandable - I can most certainly relate to that, as an anti-Bush voter - but for his supporters? I'll hate a candidate, and argue why I think their position is wrong, and I'll tell you that "you asked for it since you voted for it" but I'm NOT going to say "You voted for X so I hate your guts and you are my lifelong enemy for it." That makes no sense to me.

I was married to a conservative and we went to vote knowing that we'd cancel each other out. We got over it.

 

[fruit loop]

I will add that I also planned to put this post up no matter who won. I also said beforehand that there would be no "bwahaha" or "woo hoo, you lost" bullshit from my corner if my candidate did win. That's unsporting and should be beneath the dignity of anyone.

Attack the political stance of Obama if you wish; but, please, in that name of all that's holy, quit stabbing each other.

 

[Thomas Paine]

I hope that we here at TB2K can all remember that we are neighbors and friends. This is a community.

Americans in 1861 got so upset over political and regional differences that they began shooting their family members, neighbors, and friends. Six hundred thousand people died. Let us say, "Never Again."

I hope that we can all overcome our various differences, come to the table together, and heal the wounds of war and economic devastation in the next four years. There are few issues that can't be resolved with diplomacy and willing hearts.

Love,
Fruit Loop

The south's cause was just and if the soon to be president goes hard left nothing is off the table. He reminds me of Hitler in his slick as a snake presentation and the mass zombie like following.

 

[Conrad Nimikos]

"Anger, disappointment, and bitterness are to be expected. What disturbs me is the way some people are so angry that they are ending friendships and banishing family members. Over an election???

I'm certain people have weathered worse disagreements in their personal and community relationships, so why cut off people you care about over a VOTE???

Dislike and hatred for the candidate are understandable - I can most certainly relate to that, as an anti-Bush voter - but for his supporters? I'll hate a candidate, and argue why I think their position is wrong, and I'll tell you that "you asked for it since you voted for it" but I'm NOT going to say "You voted for X so I hate your guts and you are my lifelong enemy for it." That makes no sense to me."

What you said demonstrates that you will not understand, but I will try to explain. To you this was an election, a vote. To me this was much more than an election and a vote. I have a philosophy that I live by. Much of what I live by is exemplified by the the constitution of this country. That constitution is there to protect all citizens from the federal government. The person elected wants to do things that are prohibited by that document. He does not want to change the constitution. He wants to ignore it. Even more than it is ignored now.

The actions he has proposed have been tried and in every case they were tried they have failed. His policies will fail and we, all of us, will be worse off.

Ok, that is enough. If this election and your vote are all part of a funny game of getting your guy in power then more power to you. For me it is not a game. There was no-one running who represented completely what I believe in, my philosophy. There was one running who represents who is against almost everything I believe in. He won.

It is my opinion that what he wants to do as tax policy is government serfdom. It is using the power of government to steal from those who earned it and giving it to those selected by the government. He talks of a civilian force as large and powerful as the military. Where in the constitution is that authorized? AND WHAT DOES HE INTEND TO USE IT FOR?

My opinion is anyone who supports him intends me harm if he does as I expect him to do. I will not be a slave for anyone. I will not be a serf for the master. Not while I have to means to protect myself.

 

[kozanne]

I'm certain people have weathered worse disagreements in their personal and community relationships, so why cut off people you care about over a VOTE???

You might ask that question of the 0bamatrons in my family. They are the ones who built the wall. They are dead to me now. Frees me up for the resistance.

 

[Ender]

Frees me up for the resistance.

What you resist, persists.

 

[Thomas Paine]

I did not vote for him...but now all is said and done...I am glad it is Obama rather than the other guy. Many reasons for thinking the Obama victory will be a good thing...

For the first is the immediate upgrade of the Negro community which, God only knows, needs a hand up and this gives it to them...and they are Americans that live and die in our wars and work in our construction and destruction.

Bullshite, the "Negro" community needs a kick in the ass to get them let go of pity party they have been in for the last 40 years. They have a culture where getting over on the man is revered, where the drug dealer is more honored by their young than the hard working earnest professional people in the community.They call their women folk Bitches and Hos and treat them as chattel property. They need to stop using slavery and Jim Crow as an excuse and start acting like grown ups.

2ndly...maybe he can really think outside of the box! Haven't seen that results yet, but its a little early.

3rdly...he is what we got...so better to run with it and make the best of it than moan and groan about what might have been. And truthfully had McCain won...we might have been in for 4 more years of GWB...and most everyone feels, 8 years is enough of that.

I am willing to change and make the changes needed to survive...the past is gone and it is "pasty faced white guys that sold us down the river." Maybe Obama is just a puppet, of the same PFWG (pasty faced white guys) that got us into great depression II...but maybe not...at least we got hope at this point.

I'm not willing to accept changes that go against everything this nation is supposed to stand for and from what I have seen we elected a man who represents the very things we have spent the last 100 years fighting, socialism and communism. So you go ahead and give up what way too many
good men and women have fault and died for.

 

[sash]

Anger, disappointment, and bitterness are to be expected. What disturbs me is the way some people are so angry that they are ending friendships and banishing family members. Over an election???

Yes, over an election. Obama supporters are supporting something that is diametrically opposed, not only to my core beliefs, but also to the fundamental principles upon which this nation was founded and rose to greatness. Another way to describe someone who advocates that which I oppose and hates my way of life is "enemy."

 

[Thomas Paine]

Yes, over an election. Obama supporters are supporting something that is diametrically opposed, not only to my core beliefs, but also to the fundamental principles upon which this nation was founded and rose to greatness. Another way to describe someone who advocates that which I oppose and hates my way of life is "enemy."

Here here. you can be enemies with someone and resist without going "hot". we did for years during the cold war. Anyone , I mean anyone who voted for Obamation , regardless of who they are are dead to me as people. I may have to deal with them because of business or my profession but a warm body they are dead to me. Fortunately most of the people I know love their country enough to not vote for a socialist.

 

[newsgirl]

I will not be a slave for anyone. I will not be a serf for the master. Not while I have to means to protect myself.

And this attitude, ladies and gentlemen, borne out through history, is what makes all the difference.

Go ahead, jump me.

Line drawn. We will not back down.

 

[newsgirl]

Fruit Loop in all fairness I am going to tell you why I did get angry with you.. I am not angry at those who supported the creep.. I am angry at how hypocritical you are.. I am angry that by posting this you deliberately slapped us who did not want him in the face..

I have watched you for years.. You have anger over alot of issues not only in your life but directed at other situations also.. So IMHO you should understand that anger... You have spent years here and do not always operate under the "Don't let hatred trump love" theory..

IMHO it was bad taste to start this thread as early as you did.. It was also bad taste when it came from a person who does not live by the words she is trying to place on others Those of us who are angry need time to process the situation... By posting this when you did, how you did and to be honest coming from someone who carries alot of hurt, anger and hatred was and is enough to keep the rhetoric going..

When you reach out to give others an olive branch there is always a place and a time in which it is effective.. You did not wait for the appropriate time and by doing this immediately you were stirring the crap so to speak.. It came across to some of us as gloating and smugness.. So maybe some of you that supported him should give those who did not the time to process and deal with feelings before anymore of the "olive branch" unless the point is to stir the crap up and keep it going

Diamonds...

Once again, you have said it all and said it right.

 

[kozanne]

And this attitude, ladies and gentlemen, borne out through history, is what makes all the difference.

Go ahead, jump me.

Line drawn. We will not back down.

No jumping from this poster, newsgirl. To the contrary. It's how our country got its start. It's how we will save the Republic, if we are willing to fight, not just for ourselves, but for the generations ahead.

RESIST.

 

[FREEBIRD]

I have close relatives who are dedicated leftists and their support for Obama is cultlike. I have tried to get them to see reason, to no avail. While they are celebrating, I am mourning the demise of my country.

I love these people. I pray for them. What's different now?

I know not to trust them.

 

[kozanne]

...I love these people. I pray for them. What's different now?

I know not to trust them.

That is the new reality. It hurts, but you will get over it, I promise. I look at it as being freed to serve a better purpose. I will never, ever place my trust in them again. Deluded family members may be the very ones who will think they are turning you in to the thought police 'for your own good', know what I mean?

God alone is my trust. No one else.

 

[BlueNewton]

"Anger, disappointment, and bitterness are to be expected. What disturbs me is the way some people are so angry that they are ending friendships and banishing family members. Over an election???"

It is not just an election. It is the utter destruction of our country, our way of life, our freedoms, our pride, our economic system, and the history of this great nation. If not for the extreme anger, there would only be tears. Let the citizens cope as they need to.

 

[fruit loop]

It is not just an election. It is the utter destruction of our country, our way of life, our freedoms, our pride, our economic system, and the history of this great nation.

Some people say that after EVERY election. Does it happen????? No.

 

[kozanne]

"Anger, disappointment, and bitterness are to be expected. What disturbs me is the way some people are so angry that they are ending friendships and banishing family members. Over an election???"

It is not just an election. It is the utter destruction of our country, our way of life, our freedoms, our pride, our economic system, and the history of this great nation. If not for the extreme anger, there would only be tears. Let the citizens cope as they need to.

And in that sentence lies the heart of what we are already facing; neolib overlords who are telling us how we should feel. You'd be better off if you just left us the hell alone.

 

[Thyme]

Bump because, well, I really like this thread.

Kozanne, Newsgirl, Diamonds, Maureen.

 

[newsgirl]

We Southern and pioneer women know how to back up the Republic (and yes, I said Southern. We back our HOMELAND and our RIGHTS. And this nation is my homeland,... until it's not, I'll back it...)

They want a fight? They've got one.

 

[Aragona]

Bump because, well, I really like this thread.

Kozanne, Newsgirl, Diamonds, Maureen.

I second that! Don't waste your time arguing with FL. He will never see or understand what many have pointed out to him. He is a self-righteous zealot who feeds off the hate he generates, IMHO.

 

[Thyme]

You know, before everyone starts pulling each others hair out, this thread makes the most sense of the quandary we are facing.

o has been groomed for this by the power elite and mcpain was a backup just in case. We (demos & Repubs) have been taken for a ride.


Congressman says president elect was chosen long ago to take care of the corporate elite

Read on and make up your own mind?

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=309793



Peace out and be ready for the One World Order, the One World Bank, and the One World Government. No amount of fighting will win this cause.

The Only One who can is the Real Chosen One, as it is in His plan, in His time.

Come Quickly †Lord Jesus†

 

[fruit loop]

Shows how much you know, Aragona. Fruit Loop is not a he.

 

[newsgirl]

Shows how much you know, Aragona. Fruit Loop is not a he.

You left out the "nanny, nanny, boo boo."

 

[fruit loop]

Wow, newsgirl, I haven't heard that since I was four!

THIS Southern woman is proud to stand up for Obama.