[WARN!] TS is HTF ?!?! Read this....

Wildweasel

F-4 Phantoms Phorever
Coup fears in Pakistan?

Pakistan closing its airspace may have something to do with last nights post about Pakistan evacuating one of their air force bases.

I kinda wonder what prompted the evacuation. Perhaps a Pakistani Air Force unit more in favor of supporting Bin Laden than the government's decision to support the US coalition?

Maybe there's something going on which requires that any flight operating without official approval be considered an attack against the government and be shot down. Or perhaps there's word that the Taliban are really P.O.'ed with Pakistan and the Pakistanis are guarding against an airstrike from Afgahnistan. That might go towards explaining the air base evacuation as well.

Either case is something I would find more likely than fear of an attack from India at this time. I kinda think we're working to keep India from going after Pakistan the way we worked and suceeded in keeping the Israelies from attacking Iraq during the Gulf War.

It might be interesting to see what the payoff turns out to be when payment is due.

WW
 

bigwavedave

Deceased
sounds like some of us are getting a little panicky. that's bad in the positive survival outcome equation. deep breaths . . .

OK, that's better. now, back to panic lite.

the numbers are very important and each of us needs to have a number in mind for when we say, "it's official. TSHHTF. unleash the dogs." i especially direct this towards those of a pacifist bent.

Sept 11 - four planes hijacked and 3 hit sensitive targets.

how many more hijackings will trip your trigger? how many more targets need to be struck? the folks in the govt have a number in mind and it's probably a lot larger than any of ours. it's quiet now, a good time to figure your magic number.

7000 killed in the WTC, now reduced to less than 5000 (duplicate names). we got very angy and edgy and agitated over 7000 dead. no freakout though. how has the reduction effected you, if at all? if there is another strike (i see it as unlikely from the air), how many dead will set you off?

bio attack - one case of anthrax today. probably not an attack, but what if is the beginning? tomorrow it's 20, say? or 2000? tommy thompson has a number. it's 2 million for 60 days. what's your number?

surgical strike teams in afghanistan - americans and other nations' soldiers will be captured. they'll be paraded before the cameras prior to being taken away (or maybe not) where they will then be tortured and slowly killed. do you have a number in mind as to how many of these events you can tolerate?

it's still relatively peaceful, still time to think coherently. no guarantee it will stay that way. odds are it won't.

if you haven't run your numbers, now's the time.
 
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dreamseeer

Guest
mamma of two,

I am about a mile from Dobbins....in Marietta.
 

mama of two

Senior Member
Dreamseeer,

I am 4o miles outside Atlanta in Lawrenceville. There are several of us from Georgia. Maybe we should have a mini Doomerfest like Ohio! Ha.



bigwavedave--You are too funny ya ole crusty veteran-you're becoming quite the doomer!;)
 

connie

Veteran Member
Isn't Florida where there was the missing crop duster plane and the missing truck last week? Any connection with this Anthrax case. I, too, find it disturbing that there has not been a case of pulmonary anthrax in 30 years. This story was on Fox, CNN, and CBS evening news where Dan Rather was very quick to emphasize that it was NOT contagious (an attempt to ward off panic). Pray.
 
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dreamseeer

Guest
mamma of two,

that sounds like a good idea to me....you know we are used to driving around here.

email me. my addy is public.
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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BWD:

You verbalized what I have been thinking this week...

What's it gonna take? What has to happen? How many have to die first?

I was also thinking about some other "practical" numbers from an economic sense after the Russian plane incident today...

How many more plane incidents here or abroad but especially HERE, would it take to destroy the majority of the airline industry that we have left?

I don't think it would take more than one or two more if they happened HERE and especially if something happened on "normal" flights like (hypothetically) from Denver to Minneapolis or something...that would make the "regional" travelers who think they are "safe" think twice about air travel.

I know LOTS of those type of folks who still feel safe flying off from here in St. Louis to Denver or Minneapolis or Chicago or Dallas but who have said they wouldn't do a cross country or intercontinental flight at all.

I hate thinking about stuff like this...

:(

KrisG
 

Gayla

Membership Revoked
Just some thoughts from a little bit different angle:

The message from the original source said, "get all the cash you can together, make sure you have lots of water and the gas tanks are full on the car".

Three things you can't do without electricity. Maybe the information he heard involved a possible attack planned in the US?
 

jakerbro

Inactive
Hey all....new poster here with a couple of points of interest:
I live outside Atlanta and also noticed the chemtrails this morning around 8:00 am while taking the kids to school...they were in criss-cross patterns all over the sky.
-Next, the USA Today (?) article about the anthrax in FLA said the
Lantana location is only 40 miles from the Belle Glade airport where some mid-eastern men (including one who was later IDd
as being on one of the hijacked jets) were asking for info on crop dusters..

Now-I might could buy a one in a million case of inhalation anthrax ....but NOT one that crops up 40 miles from known terrorists seeking crop duster access/info.
I'm a retired RN with many years ICU experience and my alarms are ringing so loud I can't leave the computer for fear of missing another major red-flag.
Thanks for the excellent posts and people....can't imagine going through this without the TBK crowd.

Here's the USA excerpt from Frugal Squirrel....

Man hospitalized in Florida with anthrax

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) — A businessman has been hospitalized in Florida with inhalation anthrax, an extremely rare and lethal disease mentioned as a possible biological weapon. U.S. health officials said there was no evidence of terrorism but promised "a very intense investigation."

"There's no need for people to fear they are at risk, whether in Florida or North Carolina or elsewhere," said Dr. Jeffrey P. Koplan, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. "There is absolutely no need for panic."

The unidentified, 63-year-old Lantana, Fla., man checked into a Lake Worth hospital on Tuesday after a visit to North Carolina and was reported to be gravely ill.

Anthrax has been developed by some countries as a possible biological weapon. But the disease can be contracted naturally; the bacterial spores can be found in soil and are often carried by livestock. Officials said the Florida victim is an avid outdoorsman.

The most recent previous U.S. case of anthrax was earlier this year in Texas. But that case was the skin form of the disease, not inhalation anthrax, an especially lethal and rare form in which the disease settles in the lungs.

"We will develop a very intense investigation of this case," Koplan said in an interview. "We are in a period of heightened risk and concern in this country. It's our responsibility to make sure people know what is going on and we control it as quickly as possible."

Koplin said CDC investigators had been dispatched to both Florida and North Carolina. The FBI is also investigating.

"We will be checking on a day-by-day basis where he was, what he did, where he stayed, and looking for risks," Koplan said.

But the CDC already has canvassed hospitals and health departments in those states and found no one else with similar symptoms, the CDC chief said.

"There's no person-to-person spread of this disease. Individuals in contact with this sick person wouldn't have caught it from him," Koplan said. "There is no evidence of other cases within the communities this gentleman has been in."

Koplan said the patient has no digestive symptoms that would indicate the anthrax came from drinking contaminated water, and no skin symptoms from direct contact with the germ. But as for the possibility that he got anthrax from deliberately contaminated air, Koplan said: "We are aggressively investigating this case."

Fears that terrorists may have been planning an airborne chemical or biological attack were raised last month when it learned that a group of Middle Eastern men — including one of the hijackers in the attack on the World Trade Center — had been asking a lot of questions about a crop-duster at an airfield in Belle Glade, which is about 40 miles inland from Lantana.

Because of those fears, the government grounded all crop-dusters across the country for a few days after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

The men who visited the Belle Glade airfield had asked employees of a fertilizer company about the range of the airplane, how much it could haul in chemicals, how difficult it was to fly and how much fuel it could carry.

In most cases, anthrax occurs as a result of skin contact with infected animals. Inhalation anthrax, which results from breathing the spores, is exceptionally rare. The last reported U.S. case was in 1976.

Koplin said the disease may actually be more common but goes undetected. The latest case may have come to health officials' attention only because of heightened concern about its use as a possible weapon of mass destruction.

"What might have been tossed off as an undetermined bacterium was sent on to a state lab, where people recently received training in detecting anthrax," he said. "It is a possible answer, which is an improved detection system."

Dr. Larry Bush, an infectious-disease specialist at JFK Memorial Hospital in Fort Worth, said the man was currently on a ventilator. "He's critically ill. Hopefully he'll respond to treatment," Bush said.

Anthrax causes pneumonia, and patients are treated with antibiotics. There is also a vaccine to prevent the spread of the disease, but it is available only to the military now.

During the 20th century, only 18 cases of inhaled anthrax have been reported in the United States, the most recent in 1976.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said that President Bush had been notified of the anthrax case by national security adviser Condoleezza Rice.

He said the Health and Human Services Department has been working on plans for years in case of an outbreak, and "a series of protections have been put into place."

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Conrad Nimikos

Who is Henry Bowman
I can tell you there are a lot of things happening that do not make the news. My wife was coming home from work yesterday and saw two trucks (that resembled the lawn spraying type of trucks) getting off of I-10, one going north and one going south. She said as they got to the end of the off ramp they were each surrounded by about 20 cop cars, stopped and searched. Nothing in our local papers about it.
 

data junkie

Membership Revoked
Heads Up folks who have not checked the ME thread, I just posted Sharon is:

"...cancelling (Israeli's) earlier promise to suspend military strikes.

He compared the situation to events leading up to World War II, when European countries gave approval to Nazi Germany's invasion of Czechoslovakia.

"We will not be Czechoslovakia," he said.

"This is unacceptable to us. From now on, we will count only on ourselves".
 

Squirrel Hunter

Membership Revoked
They will have a lot fewer to count next year.

>"<

PS. Great contribution jakerbro, and top-flight commentary. Thanx.
 
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mt4design

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Gayla :) excellent thoughts regarding the electrical grid

I was out today and drove by a substation only about 1/2 mile from my home...and I noticed a couple of sheriffs cars and a van parked there...one blocking the driveway into the station. I was a bit puzzled...figured they were staking someone out. It only dawned on my later that they were actually guarding the station!

Jakerbro...excellent thoughts :)

man...things are spinning wildly out of control.

Mike
 

Alas Babylon

Inactive
My earlier post from work got eaten...trying again.

Dot-connecting time??

The anthrax victim lives in Lantana. There's a small airport in Lantana. It's about 6-8 miles from Boynton/Delray Beach where the identified hijackers had their apartments. As already mentioned, Belle Glade is a huge agri center, about 40 miles inland, with dozens of cropdusters sitting around in grassy airfields.

Out of the entire land mass of N. America, a case of airborne anthrax occurs within spitting distance of where half a dozen hijackers lived? and an hour's drive from a collection of u-pick-em aircraft??

And we get some c0ckamamey story about drinking from a stream in NC?

Uhhhhmmmm....do YOU really believe in coincidence??
 

data junkie

Membership Revoked
Dreamseer, yep...:( Had he said "...count on God..." he would have a smoother road too I think...

I wonder if part of his response is because WE shot down that Russian airliner in response to the ICBM test fire...that would also explain that alledged pentagon dude freaking out...:confused:
 
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A.T.Hagan

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<i>sounds like some of us are getting a little panicky. that's bad in the positive survival outcome equation. deep breaths . . . </i>

But Daaavve! Getting panicky and spooking others into doing the same based on too few facts and way too much supposition is a great deal of what TB2K has always been about!

<i>Flood, mud, shit or blood, panic and you're <b>dead!</b></i>
Rafael Sabado from Dean Ing's <i>Systemic Shock</i>

.......Alan.
 

day late

money? whats that?
Soooo Alan,

Where have you been? There have been a number of folks asking about you. Did you owe them money or something?:D
 

wasabell

Inactive
What I heard was....

On radio news about 04:00 p.m. was that the Florida guy with anthrax which (pardon me) I think was Jacker(?) called "inhalation anthrax". To me, a novice, that means airborne. The news said he probably contracted it by "drinking out of a stream in North Carolina". I kid you not....I heard it. They also said it was still under investigation....Yeah, sure.
 

BB

Membership Revoked
Wasn't there a report of a dust cropper missing from the Bahamas? Pretty close to Florida. Who knows? We'll all know soon enough.
 
On Free Republic somebody said that the man with anthrax is British, an editor of a weekly (newspaper?) that is VERY popular over there. Possibly a picked target?
 

Laurelayn

Veteran Member
A.T., thank you dear one for that reminder! It is very difficult for me right now to hold down the panic thing. I am reciting to myself 15 to 20 times a day the litany against fear that Frank Herbert wrote in his Dune series.
LITANY AGAINST FEAR
I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

I also remember the fiction writing experiment that several of us began several months ago, before our change of address, and I could not finish my story because of the things it forced me to consider.
I believe that we are facing TEOTWAWKI that we had all hoped to avoid when Y2K hit and then was as a a fart in the wind.
I, at this point would gladly accept all of this as a, as a ....
aw shit, Im gonna just go eat dinner and enjoy being with my family.
**** it ALL.
I am what I am
A human being me
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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Uh Laurelayn...

I hate to break it to you but TEOTWAWKI started on 9/11/2001. We are 23 days into it at this point....guess we ARE still facing it, trying to make some kind of sense out of it, sorting out what do we do and where do we go from here...

Yes, definitely enjoy your time with your family as often as possible.

KrisG
 

Jesse

Membership Revoked
G'mornig Kris! :)

I have to disgree with you concerning TEOTWAWKI. I believe that it started on September 28th last year when Sharon set foot on the Temple Mount. It has just taken a little while to arrive at our *front door* so to speak.

Love in Jesus, - Jesse.
 

Vere My Sone

Inactive
Alan-I agree-good to see you again
do you still have your preparedness site?

could someone please post Zog's sight where this was originally posted?

thanks
 

ExCop

Veteran Member
Probable Source of the post

As I posted on another thread, there was already in process an attack on Afganistan (about the time the message was posted). This was leaked to the press yesterday. The leak said that several coalition members and a few Democrats in the Senate put a halt to the attack because the were concerned over the reponse that might happen because of it. I heard this on the radio and I am still looking for print validation.
 

Gayla

Membership Revoked
Hi Mike. :) I saw an article yesterday that indicated we know where Bin Laden is, so all of these things may be small parts adding up as everyone has indicated.

This morning's article stating there is a "100%" chance of an attack on us was very sobering. In the article, it also said, "Government officials are fearful of attacks at any of hundreds or thousands of locations, including symbols of American power and culture, such as government buildings in Washington and centers of entertainment. They are concerned about truck bomb and car bomb explosions that could be detonated near <b>natural gas lines, power plants and other sites that one source described as “exposed infrastructure."</b>

This may have been part of what the Pentagon employee heard as well.
 

dr wongski

Membership Revoked
To those of us who believe in the existence of the NWO and their evil,this is all part of the grand plan for the final enslavement of mankind unfortunately many still hold onto their beliefs of us against them when in fact the enemy is within which is even scarier.So now innocents must die to satiate their lust for power and profit now would be a good time for the guys in the silver discs to put a stop to this insanity but I fear we will be forced to live out this nightmare. :(
 
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