To our TB2K Obama supporters

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
It's come to me that maybe Obama is a fall guy?


Obama, a relative outsider to DC politics (yeah yeah a JUNIOR Senator) is now stuck with our DEPRESSION (let me be one of the first to claim that).

ummm, well, there's a lot to be said for that POV. could be. however,
half the people definitely voted FOR America's first Arab-American presidente in spite of not knowing what he stood for. and they were certainly persuaded primarily through the powerful influence of the MSM. i think that the Rockefellas plan on destroying the last of Christian-based constitutional America NOW, and this is the fellow that will do it for them. Zbig is their man on the inside in this administration.
 

Warandra

Membership Revoked
In my opinion, since my name isn't Barack Obama, he will be a whole lot more moderate than people expect him to be, as 44th President of the USA. He will be very much Pro-American, in the traditions of FDR and LBJ (without the endless war stuff that Johnson had to battle). But, the first thing he'll need to do is to shore up the leak in out economy's dam, which threatens to destroy us all (rich, middle-class and poor, alike). Unless we, as a nation, can get a handle on this issue, no matter how well-meaning he may be, nothing else can be accomplished that will move this nation to a place of leadership in the 21st Century.

Specifics? Who knows, for certain? I don't. Hope he's as good at being Presdient of All The People as he was at winning the election.

All I'm doing is trying to answer the question asked. Why am I being attacked?
 

Sky

Inactive
I think Obama can unite us

Actually the way the world is heading the real winner here might be McCain :lkick:

I am a Ron Paul supporter but when it finally came down to having to choose between McCain or Obama :shr: I decided Obama would be my choice. IMO he is sincere, energetic and brings new ideas.

Obama has stated he will improve the quality of health care for veterans, rebuild the VA's broken benefits system, and combat homelessness among veterans. This is a hot topic for me as I am involved in assisting homeless veterans through a non profit organization. PTSD is a huge issue for our veterans and Obama has stated he would work to improve mental health treatment for our troops and veterans suffering from combat-related psychological injuries. :wvflg:

I know first hand combat homelessness is a huge problem. I will be watching for these programs for our veterans in need!

Combat Homelessness among Our Nation's Veterans: Obama and Biden will establish a national "zero tolerance" policy for veterans falling into homelessness by expanding proven programs and launching innovative services to prevent veterans from falling into homelessness

Another issue that stands out for me is health care.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
 

eaglefeather

Inactive
"so have at it obama supporters i will not flame you for your thoughts I just have a need to hear the voice of reason to help calm my fears."

There is absolutely nothing that a person who supported Barak Obama could possibly say to a McCain supporter that would change the way they think and feel about this election.

I will tell you how I came to my decision though;

In the 2000 primaries I voted for McCain (over Bush) and felt that he (McCain) was completely, utterly and unfairly trashed by the Bush campaign strategists.

I nevertheless voted for Bush in 2000 .....and again in 2004, and to this day am not completely convinced that the Republicans didn't steal that election from Gore. But hey... I'm a Republican and that was okay at the time.

When this campaign started, I watched the McCain that I thought I knew slowly, but surely evolve from a true "maverick" into a man who apparently recognized that for his political ambitions to be realized he was going to have to cut deals, and become someone that he truly wasn't...starting with that speech down at Jerry Falwell's place.

During this time I began to pay more and more attention to this Ron Paul fellow and as the economy began to show signs of cracking late last summer, all of the things that Dr. Paul was saying began to ring so true....so much so that for the first time in my adult life I forked over some money to a political campaign....Paul's campaign. At the same time, as I watched him in the debates I recognized that despite having all the answers, he simply lacked the degree of leadership, or some might say hubris...to become the leader of the free world. That said, I stayed on board with him.....as an idealogue, until he dropped out.

At that point I was completely uncertain as to whom I would vote for....

Three things changed my mind....
1.) McCain's hiring of the same set of campaign managers that had destroyed his run for the presidency.......that McCain had thoroughly condemned at the time.
2.) Barak Obama's acceptance speech at the DNC. Couple of things he said that rang so true for me...... "America is better than the last 8 years" ......and "Enough!" . I have had "Enough" of the Republican Party's way of doing things.... From Rumsfield to Cheney to Paulson to Bush.....the politics of Fear.
3.) McCain's selection of Sarah Palin as his VP nominee. I am not interested in debating this point any further with anyone..anywhere. It is simply my steadfast opinion that;
a.) this lady was being "used" to garner further support from the right wing population
b.) I don't believe she has sufficient experience to step into the role of the presidency, especially given the fact that this country is staring into a financial abyss that is so deep and dark that if we happen to slip further down this slippery slope, the Great Depression 1.0 is going to seem rather quaint and nostalgic versus the Mad Max Depression 2.0 that we are heading towards.

The morning McCain announced his VP decision...I made mine.

MY decision was affirmed......when McCain ( the maverick) suspended his campaign to fly back to Washington to solve the credit crisis. McCain sat at one end of the room....Obama at the other. McCain said nothing in that meeting.....Obama, was reported to have asked numerous probing questions. If McCain had called Paulson's "the sky is falling" bluff and said "hell no".....we will not "socialize" the losses of the banking system....and "no" to the bailout....he would be president-elect today. But he didn't.

And finally......I read where someone asked some celebrity if he thought that America was ready for a black president.....and his response was, the real question is, is America ready for an intelligent president ?

I know I am.
 

Bicycle Junkie

Resident dissident and troll
I voted for the Libertarian Bob Barr even though I'm a registered Republican. I think the Republicans deserved to lose because they are largely responsible for the 10 trillion dollar national debt. The US is so far in debt and the budget deificit is so high, that the Democrats will not have the money for most of Obama's social agenda. I will vote for candidates whose priorities are to balance the budget and pay down the debt.
 

Wombatcat

Bibliophile
Stepping out onto a very shaky limb here, I will tell you my opinion. Hopefully, I won't be flamed for having an opinion that doesn't match someone else's.

To answer the OP's question: I think that a lot of people who are Anti-Obama or even Anti-McCain fail to look at the president as one of a number of people in the Executive Branch. The president, whoever it is, does not act (unless it's Bush, LOL) all by himself, without advisors, without Congress, without consideration of consequences. The "checks and balances" that we learned about in high school civics are there for a reason--if, say, for the sake of discussion, Obama got a bee in his bonnet and wanted to raise taxes 500%, there are other people involved who would not tolerate that. Even if he vetoes something, if it's really far out, Congress can override the veto, assuming you voted for the right congressperson.

There are things about every person that are not particularly likeable. And when I look back on my own personal history, the decisions and associations that I made twenty years ago--I can say that I have regrets, I made mistakes, and I learned from them. I admire someone who can say the same thing. I am still making mistakes. I will be making them until the day I die. And so will Obama. And so will McCain. I did not vote for Obama because he is perfect. I did not vote for him because I think that every idea he has is right. I voted for him because in the grand scheme of the little that I know about the way the country works, I believe that things would be best if he were elected.

Don't get me wrong, though. I really like John McCain. He is a hero, and a true gentleman. I don't doubt that he would have made a good president, too. But coming on the heels of Bush, and seeing the way the world view of our country has changed for the worse, it was bad timing for McCain. I was just thinking to myself today that it has been a long time since there were actually two candidates that I liked. And I will never put down someone who RESPECTFULLY disagrees with the choice I made.
 

Rearden Steel

Veteran Member
In my opinion, since my name isn't Barack Obama, he will be a whole lot more moderate than people expect him to be, as 44th President of the USA. He will be very much Pro-American, in the traditions of FDR and LBJ (without the endless war stuff that Johnson had to battle). But, the first thing he'll need to do is to shore up the leak in out economy's dam, which threatens to destroy us all (rich, middle-class and poor, alike). Unless we, as a nation, can get a handle on this issue, no matter how well-meaning he may be, nothing else can be accomplished that will move this nation to a place of leadership in the 21st Century.

Specifics? Who knows, for certain? I don't. Hope he's as good at being Presdient of All The People as he was at winning the election.

Interestingly, I consider FDR and LBJ to be the two worst presidents we have had. Not flaming, just my opinion.

For all those who like to blame Bush for the economy. I would like to point out that Social Security (FDR) is 21% of the Federal Budget. Medicare/Medicaid (LBJ) is also 21% of the Federal Budget. Each one is larger the defense budget.

So 42% (and growing) of the Federal Budget cannot be touched because of socialist programs put in place 70+ and 40+ years ago.
 

88Bronco

Contributing Member
Any more from Phillip Berg????

Congrates on backing the winning horse

I don't agree with most of his veiws and policies but he did win.

now the question i pose is for thouse of us who are very very worried about the future of our country under his rule. what do you know or can say that will dampen our worries.

in an effort to unite thouse of us who are against him ,we will need to be assured that he is not going to be the one to usher in the end of our nation.

but his stance on the 2nd, his seeming willingness to spead the wealth from the workers to the non workers. and his dealings with people who seem to be very much anti amercan has me very worried indeed.

so have at it obama supporters i will not flame you for your thoughts I just have a need to hear the voice of reason to help calm my fears.

Just wondering ..has Phillip Berg gotten any farther since the first challenge was thrown out????
 

SassyinAZ

Inactive
In my opinion, since my name isn't Barack Obama, he will be a whole lot more moderate than people expect him to be, as 44th President of the USA. He will be very much Pro-American, in the traditions of FDR and LBJ (without the endless war stuff that Johnson had to battle). But, the first thing he'll need to do is to shore up the leak in out economy's dam, which threatens to destroy us all (rich, middle-class and poor, alike). Unless we, as a nation, can get a handle on this issue, no matter how well-meaning he may be, nothing else can be accomplished that will move this nation to a place of leadership in the 21st Century.

Specifics? Who knows, for certain? I don't. Hope he's as good at being Presdient of All The People as he was at winning the election.

Thank you for answering.

Honestly, if he IS moderate, then that is not what he promised those that elected him. You're hoping he will be moderate, actually, me too!

I think a lot of people would disagree with you that FDR and LBJ were pro-American, but you still are unable to be specific about whatever it is we are hoping he will be moderate in, are you referring to universal health care, national civilian corps, redistributing wealth, illegal immigration, non-nationalizing our financial system, gun control, anything contrary to his voting record (especially the passive "present")?

He already back-tracked on Iraq and no tax increases for those under $250k -- that's been my problem with him, he's pie in the sky speeches that are empty on details, and then he changes his mind.

You know that he proposes fixing the economy by dove-tailing with the EU's plan for us, yes?

Don't get me wrong please, I am not a Juan fan either (outside of his service), but I don't believe he is a marxist, nor that he would willingly use his country as an international stepping stone, nor sacrifice it to the rest of the world for a perceived greater good.

And, I really do think that is the line that divides, it is not just a philosophical difference of opinion that people can get over, it was an election that determined who we were (faults and all) and who we have now become, the latter being contrary to the very foundation of this country.
 

SassyinAZ

Inactive
I know first hand combat homelessness is a huge problem. I will be watching for these programs for our veterans in need!

Combat Homelessness among Our Nation's Veterans: Obama and Biden will establish a national "zero tolerance" policy for veterans falling into homelessness by expanding proven programs and launching innovative services to prevent veterans from falling into homelessness

Another issue that stands out for me is health care.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

Snipped for brevity only (follows with my above post), but this is a good example of BO speak (I am pro-Vets, btw):

"...expanding proven programs and launching innovative services..."

That is what he says but what does it mean?
 

LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
I voted for the Libertarian Bob Barr even though I'm a registered Republican. I think the Republicans deserved to lose because they are largely responsible for the 10 trillion dollar national debt. The US is so far in debt and the budget deificit is so high, that the Democrats will not have the money for most of Obama's social agenda. I will vote for candidates whose priorities are to balance the budget and pay down the debt.

Actually, the Republicans are not the ones to blame for the national debt, the Liberals are. FDR was the one that started the ball rolling with the Federal Reserve, without which this massive debt could not have happened. FDR went on to further kill the US by implementing socialist programs. As Rearden Steel said so well:
Rearden Steel said:
For all those who like to blame Bush for the economy. I would like to point out that Social Security (FDR) is 21% of the Federal Budget. Medicare/Medicaid (LBJ) is also 21% of the Federal Budget. Each one is larger the defense budget.

So 42% (and growing) of the Federal Budget cannot be touched because of socialist programs put in place 70+ and 40+ years ago.

None of these "changes" should have EVER been done. The Federal Reserve is the reason that we are in this mess, simply because we "borrow" money from them to create Fiat money for our system to work. Since actual wealth is never created in this system, and the Fiat is always on loan, then there is no way of paying the principle back as well as the interest back without taking out new loans. It will NEVER be paid back, and that is exactly what they had hoped for.

Always remember the phrase that Meyer Rothschild used, "Permit me issue to and control a nation's money, and I care not who writes its laws".

_____

Big government is NEVER good government, just very inefficient government.

Loup
 

NC Susan

Deceased
....It's way too easy to block things the POTUS does. (okay, forgetting for a moment there about executive orders)......

That is the point. NOBODY can block Democrat Obama now.
He has Democrat Congress and Democrat Senate and he is filling up the cabinet with the Democrat Chicago Machine.

The only change is there is now no Republican resistance.
 

bokonon

Inactive
I voted for Obama for the same reason I’m a Democrat, I don’t believe the Republican Party furthers anyone’s interests but big business. I believe that eight years of Republican rule has funneled the money up, so that less of it is available to Joe Six Pack. A good example of this is Halliburton and the no bid contracts. I’m hoping the “funnel” is now reversed and more money becomes available to all of us, instead of the fat cats. Of course that's hoping the sons of bi***'s didn’t suck the well dry.
 

Kritter

The one and only...
I agreed with the Dems on pro-choice, stemcell research, minimum wage earner cost of living increases and national health care, and also legalization of medical marijuana, and I agreed with the Reps on gun rights and illegal aliens, and "Drill baby Drill!".

Both were promising tax cuts in my tax bracket so that was a tie.

I'm still fence sitting on the Iraq war so I couldn't pass judgement on that..I would continue to support America's military activity so long as it was justified, legal, and we didn't do it at the expense of bankrupting our own country.

In the long run, based on solely the issues and nothing else, I ended up with Obama ahead of McCain..but that was with making concessions on things I believe in..either way.

Since my husband asked me not to vote for Obama, and he is Big Daddy in this house.. I choose to go with Ron Paul's request and back Bob Barr, but since either candidate would have had both good and bad points in my eyes, I never really felt all that inclined towards or against either...and even on election day, walking into the polling booth, I mulled it over several times before making my choice.

I am not one to give much credence to the muck digging attacks on either man's history or qualifications...although both men had things in their past I found distasteful (McCain's kinda disrespectful womanizing mid life crisis days and Obama's choice of church), both also had alot things going for them..but I definately was impressed by Obama's ability to move people with his speechs while McCain reminded me of everything we hated about Al Gore back in the day.. the wooden guy behind the podium syndrome..and yet during his concession speech, he was much more 'real' and heartfelt than I've ever heard him sound before. They should have choreographed him much less while he was campaigning..and just let him be himself. If even one of his speeches inspired me..I may have given him a second look. (I bothered to watch them all as they would come up on Youtube)
 

pugdog

Membership Revoked
As much as I do not like obama, I will honor him as president. I will also pray for him.
That said, if he starts to implement some of his hardcore socialist policys, I will let my voice be heard.
As also feel scared about the disrespect he has already recieved from world leaders like in Rusia, Italy, ect. The test is coming.
 

sandra

Inactive
national civilian corps

This is an issue that I think is sorely misunderstood by most people. Not because they would disagree if they had properly learned about this program, but because they did not properly learn about this program.

My father was a part of the Civilian Conservation Corps. Every time I visit the Watkins Glen State Park near here, I can walk on the stone steps that my Dad helped to carve out in this beautiful park. Many of the things that this Civilian corp did still remain to this day to be enjoyed by all in the USA and those millions that come to visit our country every year.

What Obama has proposed is that there will be set up a program where civilians can serve their country, but in a way that is not military related. There will be jobs created that will be in the energy field, the road construction field (to get our roads and bridges back in shape) and working in programs that will help our youth in getting proper education. This is not going to be a civilian corp that will be "another army" to lock us all up and keep us in line. It will be a way to give jobs to those that need them and want them and also rebuild our own country much as the original concept did during the last recession.

As far as education goes, the "no child left behind" is NOT working, more kids are dropping out of school than ever before. One of his proposals is to pay teachers better... which will in turn bring better teachers into the system. Once they are in the system they will be made more responsible for the job they are doing and will not be given a free ride from year to year no matter how their students are performing. The old system of teachers being "tenured" and able to keep their jobs many years after they have just "given up" on their students. Many teachers today are just there for the day and not giving anything in return for their salaries. Many have turned into hall monitors, so to speak and do not even try to teach any more, just get through the day and get home. This is NOT a flame to the wonderful teachers who are out there trying to make a difference, they do still exist, however, most of them give up and quit teaching because they are fighting a losing battle of trying to reverse what has gone on in the student's previous education.

I was heavily involved in the education system in a large city during the years my children were in school. I was the parent advocate for several years for the Committee on the Handicapped in Buffalo, NY. I was also involved with the magnet school system that was set up to insure that there could be quality education, through bussing for ALL children in the system. The drop out rate in these magnet schools which were set up over 30 years ago in that city, still see a very low rate of drop out. The students are stimulated and have the best teachers in the city. They enjoy going to school each day as they are doing things they like to do as well as get the academics.

My hope with learning what Obama wants to do for our education system is that more schools all over our country will become "centered" on a course of study and draw students to them like a "magnet". There are a lot of private schools that are successful and have very strong discipline... and parents are paying high prices for their children to attend these schools. Our public system has to become that way and hopefully this will happen in my life time. This takes a lot of dedication by the teachers, and that will not happen without the salaries going up enough to attract the people that will really be able to give something to the kids, not just show up and take home a paycheck.

Yes, it would be wonderful to have a better health care system. I struggle with the system we have now since I am retired and it is horrible. I was a SAHM and raised my kids and did lots of community service, therefore did not have a lot of equity in my SS account. I live on very, very little and yet have to make a co-pay on my medical bills. In one year I had to have 3 surgeries, and now have over $10,000 in liens on my house that is fully paid for because I could not meet the co-pay. Is this right for our senior citizens? I don't think so. You may call it socialism to help the elderly, but I call it a crying out shame that I have to make a decision to not pay those bills and eat and heat my home.

The thought that someone who has a pre-existing condition can go from job to job and carry their insurance with them is a good one. To not get caught in the situation of being told "you have a pre-existing condition" and get turned down for the life saving medical help they need is a good idea. These are the things that Barack Obama wants to fight for. It is not that he wants the government to "give" us all universal health care, he wants our employers to give it to us. If they do, they will get a business tax credit for giving quality health care to employees. He will fight the insurance companies and make them more responsible for the coverage they have vowed to give for our hard earned dollars paid. Can he do this all alone, NO, he cannot. But he hopes that he can get support on these issues from the congress and senate.

He has hopes that more of our youth can get quality higher education through giving to their communities and gaining monies to help with their education. We have had a system of just giving the monies to the youth to go to school, he says they should do SOMETHING to get the money. Work for what you get, not have it handed to you. Is there anyone who can argue with that premise? That is certainly not socialism, that is realism. To teach our youth that nothing is handed to you, you must work to get it, is a GOOD idea. And it is a win-win situation. By them volunteering in their own communities, they give help for getting help with their education.

These are some of the issues which caused me to vote in the end for Obama.
 

Ravekid

Veteran Member
Is this right for our senior citizens? I don't think so. You may call it socialism to help the elderly, but I call it a crying out shame that I have to make a decision to not pay those bills and eat and heat my home.

So your OK with theft from others as long as a person is a "senior citizen?" Well, I know a lot of young people who think maybe _your_ taxes need to be raised to pay for their college. You are obviously a "me, myself, and I" socialist, only OK with socialist polices that benefit _you_. Go ahead and rally behind your view of socialism, your not going to like what you will get. Why? Because when you advance one leg of socialism (bailing out old folks with food stamps, housing, healthcare, whatever), you _must_ bailout the next group to keep the peace (environmentalist, college students wanting much cheaper tuition, baby mommas wanting more food stamps, government housing, etc).

You may now have a $10K medical lien on your home, but at least if you can make payments on that $10K, they will likely let you stay. Just wait till your property taxes are jacked so high to bailout everyone else. The Sheriff won't let you make payments. If you want government all up in your stuff, don't come crying to us when your getting booted out of your home in the next couple of years. Don't worry, you won't be homeless, you will just be relocated to the nearest old person's government housing. You see, government want their money and they want it _now_. Just like the Sheriff doesn't take delayed payment for unpaid property taxes, once the government is running the healthcare, there will be no more 'liens till death' on residential property being lived in. Not only that, there will be no allowing of the other party to stay in the home once the sick spouse passes. If you get free medical care and have a home, the government is going to take that ASAP and force you into a government ran elderly facility. The government needs your home to sell to re-coop their money.

You voted for full on socialism and you have wealth (you still have equity in your home). Get ready for Obamination to come in and share your wealth around. In a socialist society for which you voted for, you either are 100% dependent on government or your not. There is no middle ground anymore. You get government healthcare because you can't pay and you have equity in your home, well, you _had_ equity in your home.

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eaglefeather

Inactive
Excellent post Sandra......

and don't worry too much when folks translate your desire for a change in the healthcare system into a full blown rant about "socialism".

I used to know it all too.....it took quite a few years for this world to wake me up to the realization that it is not all about me and mine.

At age 59, I pay over $ 1300 a month for health care out of pocket...do the math.......while GM retirees and govt. retirees and employees bitch and moan about having to pay $ 10 for their prescription co-pay. My taxes pays those govt. folks salaries....and apparently, soon, my taxes are going to the bailout of the soon to be bankrupt auto industry retirees.....while I continue to pay $ 1300 a month.

Tell me something is not wrong with that picture. The "system" is broken.
 

tosca

Inactive
I lived in a county in southern WA that does not

charge the occupants of a property any taxes after they reached the age of 65. To me this is one answer to helping retired people out of one challenge. *Remember the property owners paid taxes for over 30 years.....on that property.Secondly, health care should not be selectively available to specific age groups, it must be available to all. We can observe our neighbors to the north - it is expensive but it works for everyone. Our elderly who collect SS have earned that from their years of hard work....it is not a gift in any sense of the word and it is little enough to give this to them to return some of their taxes......when they are vunerable and need more health care....

We need to take care of our own....and not burden them with threats of taking their homes....this is an outrage and one I will never support. Mari Susan
 

Ravekid

Veteran Member
charge the occupants of a property any taxes after they reached the age of 65. To me this is one answer to helping retired people out of one challenge. *Remember the property owners paid taxes for over 30 years.....on that property.Secondly, health care should not be selectively available to specific age groups, it must be available to all. We can observe our neighbors to the north - it is expensive but it works for everyone. Our elderly who collect SS have earned that from their years of hard work....it is not a gift in any sense of the word and it is little enough to give this to them to return some of their taxes......when they are vunerable and need more health care....

We need to take care of our own....and not burden them with threats of taking their homes....this is an outrage and one I will never support. Mari Susan

Are neighbors too the north do not have millions of welfare layabouts and bums like we do here. An social program here in the US will costs at least twice the amount (even given the same ratio based on population) as it would elsewhere. Look, Canada is getting scared about millions of Mexicans coming in and squatting. They are taking a hard line against illegal immigration for the sole reason that when you give handouts to some humans, they want more. Not only that, it attracts even more humans that want to do nothing but get the handout. I hope you all enjoyed the drugs that are only around because of our current healthcare system. I think the US is the only country that allows a free market pricing system for drugs. Well, with socialized medicine, that is going to go bye-bye. Drug companies are going to fold up and government will take over the medicine business. I think it will be a complete failure. The rewards won't be no where near as great as they were, so the good and smart folks will avoid working in big pharma. If they do work in the industry, they won't be running a lab working 60+ hours a week including holidays and weekends just to make $60K/year.
 

Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Don't use Canada as your blueprint for health care. Many Canadians are traveling south to get the care they want. Take the insuranace companies out of the picture and let the free market take over. Cost will come tumbling down so fast it will make your head spin.

And don't look to BO's promises for vets to come to pass. I can remember Bill Clinton making a election speech at SIU-Edwardsville. He was promising all kinds of increases in grants for college student. The crowd went wild. Nothing came of it. If anything, things got tighter. Most of those students were too inexperienced to understand that election promises made are mostly never kept. BO's promises are pretty vague, too. I could be proven wrong and vets will get what they deserve. But it could also mean that they would be warehoused or placed in camps, too. It isn't beyond the realm of possiblity.

On a side note, I was talking to some striking union workers close by my home. They work in the mental health field and were striking because they had some of their benefits and perks taken away. (I don't know the other side of the story because I only talked to the stikers on the picket lines.) Now these were supposedly educated individuals (I don't know the level of their education.) that were wearing BO buttons and had voted BO. They claim that there is some promised legislation that would be helping their situation. Now, keep in mind that they have been striking since July 5, 2007 and if this legislation comes to pass on the very first day of BO swearing in, it would be most likely another six months before it trickles down to their level which would bring the ending date to mid 2009. ALSO keep in mind that many mental healthcare workers are out of jobs and are scrambling to regain employment right now. The center is open and running with "temporary" employees. I wanted to so badly tell them that most likely they had lost their jobs and election promises are promises quickly broken. ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.
 

Ironhand

Inactive
I will give you my honest answer to your question. I voted for Obama for one issue and one issue only, health care. Since I didn't overwhelmingly agree on any of the candidates positions, I picked the one issue that I found to be the most important to me. I weighed the positions of each of the nominated and viable candidates and decided that with Obama I may have a chance at buying into the same federal insurance program that the elected officials have. McCain's health care plan would not have helped me in any way.

Regardless of how anyone else feels about my answer, it's why I voted for Obama. I can't make you feel more comfortable with the country's decision nor can I calm your nerves. I'm hoping that since you belong to this board you have been prepping for a worse case scenario and will be prepared for whatever the future may hold.
 

Ravekid

Veteran Member
I will give you my honest answer to your question. I voted for Obama for one issue and one issue only, health care. Since I didn't overwhelmingly agree on any of the candidates positions, I picked the one issue that I found to be the most important to me. I weighed the positions of each of the nominated and viable candidates and decided that with Obama I may have a chance at buying into the same federal insurance program that the elected officials have. McCain's health care plan would not have helped me in any way.

Regardless of how anyone else feels about my answer, it's why I voted for Obama. I can't make you feel more comfortable with the country's decision nor can I calm your nerves. I'm hoping that since you belong to this board you have been prepping for a worse case scenario and will be prepared for whatever the future may hold.

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No chance in hell...won't ever happen. I didn't know this many people really believed politicians. :shr:
 

bokonon

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So your OK with theft from others as long as a person is a "senior citizen?" Well, I know a lot of young people who think maybe _your_ taxes need to be raised to pay for their college. You are obviously a "me, myself, and I" socialist, only OK with socialist polices that benefit _you_. Go ahead and rally behind your view of socialism, your not going to like what you will get. Why? Because when you advance one leg of socialism (bailing out old folks with food stamps, housing, healthcare, whatever), you _must_ bailout the next group to keep the peace (environmentalist, college students wanting much cheaper tuition, baby mommas wanting more food stamps, government housing, etc).

You may now have a $10K medical lien on your home, but at least if you can make payments on that $10K, they will likely let you stay. Just wait till your property taxes are jacked so high to bailout everyone else. The Sheriff won't let you make payments. If you want government all up in your stuff, don't come crying to us when your getting booted out of your home in the next couple of years. Don't worry, you won't be homeless, you will just be relocated to the nearest old person's government housing. You see, government want their money and they want it _now_. Just like the Sheriff doesn't take delayed payment for unpaid property taxes, once the government is running the healthcare, there will be no more 'liens till death' on residential property being lived in. Not only that, there will be no allowing of the other party to stay in the home once the sick spouse passes. If you get free medical care and have a home, the government is going to take that ASAP and force you into a government ran elderly facility. The government needs your home to sell to re-coop their money.

You voted for full on socialism and you have wealth (you still have equity in your home). Get ready for Obamination to come in and share your wealth around. In a socialist society for which you voted for, you either are 100% dependent on government or your not. There is no middle ground anymore. You get government healthcare because you can't pay and you have equity in your home, well, you _had_ equity in your home.

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Your rant reminds me of an old tune called "Fear is never boring".
 

fruit loop

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Obama is not an Arab. He is half-Kenyan. That is African, not Arabian or Middle Eastern. Be aware that a lot of Arabs consider Africans to be subhuman, which is a partial reason for violence in countries such as Darfur and Sudan.

Barack Obama has promised to fix the broken economy and I pray he is successful. I hope we also see our troops out of Iraq and back home, and Osama Bin Laden in a cell.
 
Obama is not an Arab. He is half-Kenyan. That is African, not Arabian or Middle Eastern. Be aware that a lot of Arabs consider Africans to be subhuman, which is a partial reason for violence in countries such as Darfur and Sudan.

Barack Obama has promised to fix the broken economy and I pray he is successful. I hope we also see our troops out of Iraq and back home, and Osama Bin Laden in a cell.

Technically, Egypt is in Africa. Those Africans are Arabs. I don't think Obama is an African surname. Black Muslims are African-Islamists (Nation of Islam).
 

Kalliope

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Congrates on backing the winning horse

I don't agree with most of his veiws and policies but he did win.

now the question i pose is for thouse of us who are very very worried about the future of our country under his rule. what do you know or can say that will dampen our worries.

in an effort to unite thouse of us who are against him ,we will need to be assured that he is not going to be the one to usher in the end of our nation.

but his stance on the 2nd, his seeming willingness to spead the wealth from the workers to the non workers. and his dealings with people who seem to be very much anti amercan has me very worried indeed.

so have at it obama supporters i will not flame you for your thoughts I just have a need to hear the voice of reason to help calm my fears.

I know most of ya'll have me on ignore and won't even be able to read this, but what the hell...

My most fervent prayer and hope is that an Age of Reason returns to the US - where a true education is highly valued, not just a diploma. Where you have your part of the truth and I have mine, and somewhere in the middle lies the whole story. Get to where we aren't pointing fingers all the frickin' time and actually sit down and solve some problems. You ain't getting it all your way and I ain't either. Do what's right for everyone in this country.

1) I just don't see how ya'll have got your panties in a bunch over the 2nd admendment - do ya'll know what it takes to admend or overturn the Constitution? 2/3 majority of both House and Senate, and the 38 states have to ratify the admendment.

It just ain't gonna happen with the 2nd admendment. Ya'll can exhale now.

Roe vs Wade ain't gonna be overturned either - not in this generation or more than likely the next. It's been over 30 years - come to terms with it, okay?

Life in the US is more than fringe issues, like taking care of the kids who are already here and need help. Why do we need more children right now anyway? Isn't over 6 billion people enough? We don't take care of who is on this earth now, why continue to have more and more?

2) Reading/hearing comprehension - as with other elections, everything Obama said or wrote was totally misconstrued.

Spreading the wealth - if you go back and hear the entire schpeel (sp?), which was convoluted I must admit, Obama meant spreading tax dollar wealth - instead of lining the CEO's pockets, fix bridges. I was listening to a show on NPR yesterday. The author, something to the effect of "Obama's Inherited Economy Clusterf*ck", was saying, looking around your county - isn't there something that is a problem and is a danger to everyone who lives in your county, say a bridge or even abandoned structures that meth heads or serial arsonists could burn down (I say this because there is one down here and in Little Rock).

I want to turn the question back on ya'll - why should people support giving our tax dollars to the uber wealthy? One of Clinton's guys (McClarty?) was saying in the 1990's only 10% of the population made over $100k per year - 10%! Now it is something like 29%. Really - WHY is giving the rich more money that they then take to offshore accounts smart economic policy, but giving those same dollars through economic stimulous jobs (like the freeway system in the 1960s) welfare?

3) One thing I can't figure out either - where in the Constitution or Bill of Rights does it say that we cannot have Universal Healthcare? Or, where does it say, if you get sick and have monstrous health bills, then you have to file for bankruptcy?

Race - I can't believe ya'll think that 17% of the black population put Obama into the highest popular vote count and almost double the electorial count is all about the race card; and I know it helps ya'll to sleep at night to think this is about white liberal concession to the race card. But it's not. It really is about the smartest guy in the room.

I'm white, my DH is white, my mom is white, my sisters are white, my former Republican brother is white (who used to deride me for being too liberal and this is my twin!), my MIL & FIL (Vietnam Vet, die-hard Republican) all voted for Obama.

He raised the most money, without federal lobbists, knowing that all the $25 contributions really do add up. There is no credit card scandal - that means you are calling me, personally, a fraud for giving to his campaign, plus all the 3 + million people who gave to his campaign. I gave until it hurt. I gave at each primary and debate.

He also ran an extremely smart campaign - did you hear of any 'chatter' coming out of his campaign office? The few who did were fire immediately. His campaign was a TEAM EFFORT. If he can inspire people for 2 YEARS to keep on going, do you really think he can't do the same with the US population, especially the 56% who voted for him?

When Bush ascended his SCOTUS throne, he promised us MBA type of an economic system that was fair to all; we were promised that adults were now in charge. Tell me, is that we received?

I've read where ya'll made fun of him for asking questions of previous administrations about this economic tsunami that has happened - but isn't that what adults do? Question until they understand? Don't ya'll do that in your lives - read and research and ask around? Why is this a bad thing for a President to do? No one, not one person, has all the answers to anything.

Which is another reason I voted for him - his willingness to listen and learn. He will make mistakes, just like everyone else. Why ya'll think that we 'worship' this man is kinda sad. It is just great to see that for once, the candidate wasn't from a rich white family, earned $12k per year in Chicago, had student loans and scholarships for college, and has lived just like us, the real joe's and jane's.

Ya know, it is so tempting to do a search for all the posts smacking us down because we didn't respect Bush or were told that we were suppose to respect the office of POTUS. Now here ya'll are - being the biggest hypocrites know to mankind and all because he is mixed race, not even beginning to give him a chance. And if you noticed in his acceptance speech, that's what Obama said - all we ever hoped for is just a chance to change things for the better.

Have you noticed that not one Obama supporter came on this board in the last couple of days and dogged anyone on this board about the outcome of the election? Huh? We coulda ya know. But we decided to let you mourn. It is a totally different world now, and not everyone takes to change well. It's understandable.

I'm not dogging you now, but I am must admit I really had no idea how many true bigots are on this board. I too must come to terms that not everyone lives as "we are all spiritual beings have a human experience". That all deep down inside of us, we are all the same, no matter what we look like. After Central High and Ol' Miss and all the other marches for civil rights, I just kinda thought people had gotten past the color aspect. I guess that's for us to come to terms with.

What good comes - just remember, ya'll are included too. :)

As always, YMMV
 

kozanne

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For once, I actually agree with Waranda. :shr:

Search some of Warandras posts.....what goes around comes around. I'm saying this objectively because I have had her on ignore for some time. The only time I 'see' her is when she is quoted, and that's about all I can take.

Not saying she should be attacked, either, but you cannot expect people to trust you when you have bruised them.

It's too bad, but sometimes, we bring a lot of our own pain on all by ourselves.
 

kozanne

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And don't look to BO's promises for vets to come to pass.

Amen to that. I haven't seen much in the way of fulfilled promise for our vets in a long long time. THey give their time, their lives, their limbs for this country and by and large are crapped on as much as the elderly in this country.

They always get the short stick.
 

fruit loop

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Have you noticed that not one Obama supporter came on this board in the last couple of days and dogged anyone on this board about the outcome of the election? Huh? We coulda ya know. But we decided to let you mourn. It is a totally different world now, and not everyone takes to change well. It's understandable.

There would have been no "bwahaha" or "yeewww lost" from me anyway, because it shows poor character as well as bad sportsmanship, but I've been so proud of my fellow liberals for not doing it either. Heaven knows some of you must have been tempted.
 

eaglefeather

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Be careful there Kalliope......rational thought and deductive reasoning does not go over too big around here anymore.
 
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