To our TB2K Obama supporters

[fruit loop]

Barack is both an Arabic and a Hebrew name. I believe it is very popular in Israeli Jewish families.

Hussein is a Muslim name and popular in a number of countries; the King of Jordan's family is named Hussein.

Obama is both an African and a Japanese surname.

My name is Russian, French, and Greek, but I think it means the same in all languages.

 

[Utopianwar]

so have at it obama supporters i will not flame you for your thoughts I just have a need to hear the voice of reason to help calm my fears.

 

[shannon4mary]

True but with congress there are 435 Representatives and 100 Senators around to spread the blame and there is only one President. Most Americans can't name their Representative or their Senators, but most can name their President.

Most couldn't even tell you who Obama's V.P. pick was or is Or How to spell Obama,,,ie Howard Sterns street interviews....unbelievable.....watch it, you'll die laughing at the stupidity of these people and then you will understand why he has been elected???

 

[Utopianwar]

Have you noticed that not one Obama supporter came on this board in the last couple of days and dogged anyone on this board about the outcome of the election? Huh? We coulda ya know. But we decided to let you mourn. It is a totally different world now, and not everyone takes to change well. It's understandable.

There would have been no "bwahaha" or "yeewww lost" from me anyway, because it shows poor character as well as bad sportsmanship, but I've been so proud of my fellow liberals for not doing it either. Heaven knows some of you must have been tempted.

Out of respect for the libs if they have to hear us talk then we should let them do the same. We don't have to agree, and it make us any less wrong. For now this is a free country and we can say how we feel that is a two way street. And if anyone attacks anyone in a mean and vicious way that's what the mods are for. Because how can us old-schoolers prove our points if we try to rip apart others who disagree. sure we can argue and attack the agrument. I know this is hard because I can be like that times, but then I think would I like to be attacked like that? (I am not talking about when the other person starts off with attacking, in that case I have no problem letting the inner dog out for a scrap. hehe.) But fair is fair. And it's not like we are losing anything by acting civil. And we can always have our threads where we let our feelings about Obamalamdingdong be heard. Because when we get mean we are acting like the libs we have encountered where they hostile, and we become no better. (like Rosie O’Donnell) So if we are to prove that our stance is worth a second look, then we need to play fair. And I haven't seen any libs tear into us. I have seen some comments but nothing vicious. When ever I see a comment that supports Obama and insults those who are appose, I just tell like it is, and people can either like it or hate. Big whoop. I stand by my beliefs, and so should anyone else.

Furthermore I want to thank Fruit Loop for being fair while still letting her opinions known. You have been civil and respectful and I am sure there have been moments where you prolly biting your tongue.

 

[Utopianwar]

Most couldn't even tell you who Obama's V.P. pick was or is Or How to spell Obama,,,ie Howard Sterns street interviews....unbelievable.....watch it, you'll die laughing at the stupidity of these people and then you will understand why he has been elected???

You know this sounds like some I work with. Thinking all we have to do is print more money and pay off the othe countries so that we don't have to have a big war. They all people want is to get paid. Well that only works when the US dollar has value, and if they don't care about anything other than money. I love these guys at work, but wow. If they are going to vote for this guy they can at least know what they are talking about and understand everything he stands for. Then if they still wanna vote for him at least they know what they are voting for.

 

[Utopianwar]

"so have at it obama supporters i will not flame you for your thoughts I just have a need to hear the voice of reason to help calm my fears."

There is absolutely nothing that a person who supported Barak Obama could possibly say to a McCain supporter that would change the way they think and feel about this election.

I will tell you how I came to my decision though;

In the 2000 primaries I voted for McCain (over Bush) and felt that he (McCain) was completely, utterly and unfairly trashed by the Bush campaign strategists.

I nevertheless voted for Bush in 2000 .....and again in 2004, and to this day am not completely convinced that the Republicans didn't steal that election from Gore. But hey... I'm a Republican and that was okay at the time.

When this campaign started, I watched the McCain that I thought I knew slowly, but surely evolve from a true "maverick" into a man who apparently recognized that for his political ambitions to be realized he was going to have to cut deals, and become someone that he truly wasn't...starting with that speech down at Jerry Falwell's place.

During this time I began to pay more and more attention to this Ron Paul fellow and as the economy began to show signs of cracking late last summer, all of the things that Dr. Paul was saying began to ring so true....so much so that for the first time in my adult life I forked over some money to a political campaign....Paul's campaign. At the same time, as I watched him in the debates I recognized that despite having all the answers, he simply lacked the degree of leadership, or some might say hubris...to become the leader of the free world. That said, I stayed on board with him.....as an idealogue, until he dropped out.

At that point I was completely uncertain as to whom I would vote for....

Three things changed my mind....
1.) McCain's hiring of the same set of campaign managers that had destroyed his run for the presidency.......that McCain had thoroughly condemned at the time.
2.) Barak Obama's acceptance speech at the DNC. Couple of things he said that rang so true for me...... "America is better than the last 8 years" ......and "Enough!" . I have had "Enough" of the Republican Party's way of doing things.... From Rumsfield to Cheney to Paulson to Bush.....the politics of Fear.
3.) McCain's selection of Sarah Palin as his VP nominee. I am not interested in debating this point any further with anyone..anywhere. It is simply my steadfast opinion that;
a.) this lady was being "used" to garner further support from the right wing population
b.) I don't believe she has sufficient experience to step into the role of the presidency, especially given the fact that this country is staring into a financial abyss that is so deep and dark that if we happen to slip further down this slippery slope, the Great Depression 1.0 is going to seem rather quaint and nostalgic versus the Mad Max Depression 2.0 that we are heading towards.

The morning McCain announced his VP decision...I made mine.

MY decision was affirmed......when McCain ( the maverick) suspended his campaign to fly back to Washington to solve the credit crisis. McCain sat at one end of the room....Obama at the other. McCain said nothing in that meeting.....Obama, was reported to have asked numerous probing questions. If McCain had called Paulson's "the sky is falling" bluff and said "hell no".....we will not "socialize" the losses of the banking system....and "no" to the bailout....he would be president-elect today. But he didn't.

And finally......I read where someone asked some celebrity if he thought that America was ready for a black president.....and his response was, the real question is, is America ready for an intelligent president ?

I know I am.

Well one thng I can say is, screw McCain. Because he lacked the true American spirit to take down Obama. He was not the worthy advocery to win. McCain didn't know how to fight Obama, but then I don't he could have. Obama knew it was his time to reign. But McCain could have done better. Though I do like Palin, I would have rather seen her going against Obama with a minority for a VP as long as the VP is perfect for the job. But oh well on that. We got the old white guy on our side. Like that was gonna work. Not to mention a pick that wasn't giving the public what they wanted. Though Obama can't live up to his promises, at least McCain could have done something more for his.

 

[Utopianwar]

Stepping out onto a very shaky limb here, I will tell you my opinion. Hopefully, I won't be flamed for having an opinion that doesn't match someone else's.

To answer the OP's question: I think that a lot of people who are Anti-Obama or even Anti-McCain fail to look at the president as one of a number of people in the Executive Branch. The president, whoever it is, does not act (unless it's Bush, LOL) all by himself, without advisors, without Congress, without consideration of consequences. The "checks and balances" that we learned about in high school civics are there for a reason--if, say, for the sake of discussion, Obama got a bee in his bonnet and wanted to raise taxes 500%, there are other people involved who would not tolerate that. Even if he vetoes something, if it's really far out, Congress can override the veto, assuming you voted for the right congressperson.

There are things about every person that are not particularly likeable. And when I look back on my own personal history, the decisions and associations that I made twenty years ago--I can say that I have regrets, I made mistakes, and I learned from them. I admire someone who can say the same thing. I am still making mistakes. I will be making them until the day I die. And so will Obama. And so will McCain. I did not vote for Obama because he is perfect. I did not vote for him because I think that every idea he has is right. I voted for him because in the grand scheme of the little that I know about the way the country works, I believe that things would be best if he were elected.

Don't get me wrong, though. I really like John McCain. He is a hero, and a true gentleman. I don't doubt that he would have made a good president, too. But coming on the heels of Bush, and seeing the way the world view of our country has changed for the worse, it was bad timing for McCain. I was just thinking to myself today that it has been a long time since there were actually two candidates that I liked. And I will never put down someone who RESPECTFULLY disagrees with the choice I made.

Well if Bush can get all the Glory for the screw ups then so can Obama. Fair is fair. But you are right it won't be all Obama's fault anymore then the last time around it was all Bush's fault. Stupidity is a team effort, just as it was with Bush.

 

[Utopianwar]

A flat out lie. I know plenty of Obama voters that want guns banned.

That don't mean that all Obama voters do. Just the sad thing is when someone votes for Obama it is there way of supporting him, and if one supports a President then they support their ideals. By voting him in (assuming our votes even count) we vote in those ideals. He can then get people like minded to him, or have dealings with like minded people who can influence the others in charge. But that don't mean that all libs want guns banned. Just like not all non-libs are republicans, because I'm not republican. I am more like a neo-republican, but even then I am not altogether one. I believe in the best of all. I believe in a national security force. HOWEVER, I don't believe the gov' has a right to be in charge of it. We should police the country, and other things that help this country, but the gov' should stay out of it. They can help with the funding, but we are the ones that say how it is ran. Just like the militias were back in the day. They were formed to keep people like Obama or red coats from being in charge. So the idea of the force is a great one, just not the way Obama wants it. Or any others on his staff for that matter.