The global human H5N1 pandemic might have started.. Something is happening in China

[NoCarrier]

According to Dr. Niman :

Raging Stage 6 Bird Flu Pandemic in China?

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/07220501/H5N1_Raging_Pandemic_China.html

""Hey, are we going to war? Something's not right. I can see many armoured vehicles and soldiers with guns on the road. I can ever hear planes in the air. Rumor has it that they're from Yushu (i believe that this's a location, but i'm not sure which) Can someone please clarify what's happening?"

"They're over here too. I can see hundreds of troops, many of whom are in full battle order. I'm from Yushu"

"I'm from Chengdu. Are you from the region where the bird flu was found?"

"I'm seeing the same thing here too, in LaSuTung (translation, i think it's a mongolian city). I've never seen so many planes in my entire life."

"It must be related to the bird flu."

"I thought "it" (the bird flu) was from the Qinghai region? It's here now? That's really fast."

"We'd better keep a low profile. My parents are asking me not to venture out. I can see troops in full battle order grabbing people. But I'm not sure why so."

"You're right, I can see troops and planes too."

"It must be our comrades getting ready to attack Japan."

"It's such a mess here. We can't even sort nourselves out, what nonsense about Japan. This must be measures to deal with the bird flu."

(2-3 irrelevant posts cursing the japanese in general)

"Hey, I can see troops in "white suits" and planes flying at low altitudes. If you can see them too, can you please acknowledge?"

(5 posts agree)

"I see people being snatched out of their houses"

(curses & swears at everything and anything in particular - Mao Zedong, Deng Xiaopeng and the Bird Flu included)

"Let's see - YuShu, ChengDu, LaSuTung, Jie-Wu (and other locations which i can't read) all inaccessible for the next few days? What the hell?"

"The troops are finally here. They're walking through the village (or town), checking the houses. I should be fine since I don't breed any birds."

"It's ridiculous to think that they can drag people off the streets just because of the bird flu."

"I hear that they're snatching people whose names are on a printed namelist. They're only checking the houses of those in their vicinities."

"Hu Jing Tao & Wen Jia Bao have already said that to eliminate the bird flu, we must start by getting rid of the human cases. Only via ridding the human cases can transmission be stopped."

"I'm going to turn vegan from today onwards."

The above is a translation of messages appearing on July 20. Today boxan is providing a translation of part of the message, but a translation of the longer message seems more appropriate, in light of the WHO warning based on new H5N1 bird flu outbreaks in Indonesia and Russia.

The above exchange appears to be between two students in southeastern Qinghai Province. The commentary is unconfirmed, but if true would certain sugest a stage 6 pandemic in China.

China has not responded to the WHO request to visit neighboring Xinjiang Province, which is just south of the recent outbreak in Novosibursk, Russia. The WHO visit to Qinghai raised serious questions about additional information of the H5N1 at Qinghai Lake. Other boxan reports detail 10 strains of H5N1 circulating in China, including 7 that have been found in humans.

These data, if true, would point toward a massive cover-up of a raging bird flu pandemic in China"

 

[NoCarrier]

Military Enforcing Quarantine in H5N1 Pandemic in China?

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/07220502/H5N1_Pandemic_China_Military.html

According to a news report by BBS (they call this a "location", that's a literal translation. i think it's actually a website.) on the morning of 22nd July, the bird flu is still spreading. This (the spread) has caused serious disturbances in a YuShu farm to the Northwest of Qinghai. Based on information from forums / message boards, it is understood that on the 12th July, this farm / farming area was discovered to have many people afflicted with acute pneumonia (i'm not sure if it's via identification of symptoms or was it actually lab confirmed). Following this, authorities entered the area and isolated the patients. Their whereabouts are unknown. They also forcibly inspected surrounding areas and isolated those with "abnormal respiratory problems". On 18th July, the decision was made to close / quarantine the area. This was aimed at preventing / restricting the movement of people in and out of the area. This led the residents to "lose control of themselves" and revolt against the authorities, leading to many casualties. To prevent a chain reaction linked to the Tibetan question (this is a guess, nomads / Tibetans are the words alluded here), on the 20th, the PLA sent in huge numbers of re-inforcements to quell the uprising. At the moment, the extent of the disturbances there is unclear as the area still remains under martial law.

The following is the extract of the forum / message board taken by Boxun.

Title: Something's Happening

[Description / Moderator's Comments, possibly] (i'm guessing what that was. but the text should go along the following lines)
I finally understand why. Over here in the farming area, there are people rioting and they've inflicted casualties on the troops. That farming area is the same one that has been quarantined. I hear the disturbances were huge, and that's why re-inforcements have been sent.

"Does anyone know what happened at that farm."

"Received / Affirmative" (Irrelevant / error i think)

"Fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting over a bunch of birds!"

"The farm - nothing was mentioned about it. Just closed for no good reason, ostensibly for 'lessons' ('lessons' is my take, google translates it as exams, if so, it might fit, but i believe that the literal meaning is that of lessons)"

"We'd better ignore it. There's nothing to see. The other forum has already said that it's because of the fighting between the Tibetans / nomads and the doctors. The troops have been sent to suppress the disturbances. The farming area (actually, i think farming community might be a better word) has not been quarantined because of lessons, but rather its been isolated because of the bird flu. The investigators there are in fact linked to the arrests that had been made previously."

The above human translation supports earlier messages indicating the military is enforcing a mandatory quarantine in Qinhai province related to the H5N1 bird flu outbreak described in Nature and Science two weeks ago. Additional information is being withheld by China.

Now, the quarantine enforcement is being met with resistance form the local population.

 

[NoCarrier]

Stages of a Pandemic
The World Health Organization (WHO) has developed a global influenza preparedness plan, which defines the stages of a pandemic, outlines WHO’s role and makes recommendations for national measures before and during a pandemic. The phases are:

Interpandemic period

Phase 1: No new influenza virus subtypes have been detected in humans. An influenza virus subtype that has caused human infection may be present in animals. If present in animals, the risk of human infection or disease is considered to be low.

Phase 2: No new influenza virus subtypes have been detected in humans. However, a circulating animal influenza virus subtype poses a substantial risk of human disease.

Pandemic alert period

Phase 3: Human infection(s) with a new subtype, but no human-to-human spread, or at most rare instances of spread to a close contact.

Phase 4: Small cluster(s) with limited human-to-human transmission but spread is highly localized, suggesting that the virus is not well adapted to humans.

Phase 5: Larger cluster(s) but human-to-human spread still localized, suggesting that the virus is becoming increasingly better adapted to humans, but may not yet be fully transmissible (substantial pandemic risk).

Pandemic period

Phase 6: Pandemic: increased and sustained transmission in general population.

 

[NoCarrier]

Signs point to global flu outbreak -WHO warning

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050722...nyTvyIi;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Indonesia's first human bird flu case, coupled with more birds dying elsewhere including Russia, are signs a long-dreaded global influenza pandemic may be approaching, the World Health Organization (WHO) said on Friday.

Health officials fear the virus will mutate and mix with human influenza, creating a deadly pandemic strain that becomes easily transmissible and could kill millions of people.

Margaret Chan, WHO's new director for pandemic influenza preparedness, said there had been no known sustained human to human transmission of the deadly virus, but called for stepping up disease surveillance among poultry and humans worldwide.

Indonesia this week confirmed its first death from the virus, which has so far killed more than 50 people since late 2003 in Vietnam, Thailand and Cambodia, roughly half of the known cases.

An Indonesian government official was confirmed as having died of the H5N1 bird flu virus, but results of laboratory tests on his two young daughters who also died are still awaited.

"This is more evidence for us to be concerned about developments in the region," Chan told a news briefing.

"This is perhaps the only time since 1968, which was the last pandemic, that we are getting signs, symptoms and warnings from nature ... More and more birds are dying in different parts of the world -- this is the kind of signals, and early warnings that we are referring to."

Russia this week said it had discovered a disease in poultry in a remote village in Siberia, its first suspected case of bird flu. Around 300 birds died and specimens are being analyzed.

RISK LEVEL THREE OF SIX

Chan, a former health director of Hong Kong who helped contain its bird flu and SARS outbreaks of 1997, said the WHO's risk assessment of a global pandemic still stood at three on a scale of six.

"We need to be very vigilant and look for early signals or signs of sustained human to human transmission," she said. "We need to advise people from farm to table on what actions they can take or can advise communities to take to reduce that risk."

Mixed poultry trading -- where ducks, geese, chickens and sometimes pigeons are sold side-by-side at market -- can be an "enabling environment for the virus to mutate," Chan said.

Recommended measures include separating poultry, vaccination of poultry, and other biosecurity measures on farms, she said.

"Our experience is that if you are prepared for a pandemic you get less impact in terms of mortality and morbidity and social and economic disruption," she said.

Chan also said that the WHO, a United Nations agency, was still pressing China to allow international laboratories to examine specimens from birds in Qinghai, where the H5N1 virus has killed more than 5,000 birds from five species.

The WHO is urging China to test the other 184 species in the area, fearing birds which appear healthy could also spread the disease. This would help understand the evolution of the virus and inform public health decisions, according to Chan.

 

[White Sunlight]

I was in Qinghai 22 months ago and I was in the back countryside for which the diet was mostly vegatables and lamb. I did see chickens and I assume that they were eaten from time to time but they were not part of the stable diet. The road system is such that most roads are four wheel drive roads and spreading of disease would occur through the use of airports than travel on roads. It is a huge province, most likely bigger than Texas and the population is less than 5-10 million.

WS

 

[Christian for Israel]

BTTT

 

[LMonty911]

bump again- time to listen up, folks!

got preps?

 

[F.Drew]

I suspect troop movements of this scale would be visible from satellite images? The gov should be able to confirm, not sure if current images would be available to public or at higher, zoomed-in resolution either.

Pretty ominous if true.

 

[NoCarrier]

The gov should be able to confirm

Of course the gov have this kind information. The question is not if, but why would they release that kind of information to the public? Flu or not, this is not the kind of information they would release to the general public. If the reports are true. If H5N1 has found a way to infect a human body to another human body and if it's really out of control, we will find out really soon.

A pandemic is not a science fiction novel. It happened 3 times in the last century. The last one was in 1968. They know for sure it's every 30-35 years. We are overdue.
The signs are there.

Like LMonty911 said, got preps?

 

[outnumbered10]

I agree, No carrier...please keep us posted on this dire situation...

At times like this I thank God for the internet!!

It's the only way we can get genuine information in a timely manner!

ON10

 

[NoCarrier]

Bird Flu Pandemic Spreading to Chengdu Sichuan in China?

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/07220503/H5N1_Chengdu.html

Article translated from Chinese

Four positive eruptions unclear reasons disease nine people die
(Abundant news on July 23rd, 2005)
(The Central News Agency Taibei on 22nd news) the Chinese Central Committee Television today evening reports, recently one month, the Sichuan capital positive city had the unclear reason disease, until now discovers 20 examples, 9 people died, 6 person of perilous.

The report indicates, the Sichuan health department evening notifys, from June 24th to July 21st, the capital is positive first, two, three people hospital one after another admits 20 examples unclear reasons disease patient, the patient arises the initial period all appears the high fever, feels weak, the partner has disgusting, vomits, after that hypodermic has ðöѪ, symptom and so on shock.

Up to July 21st, has nine patients does not govern the death, one patient leaves the hospital, ten patients still in hospital treatment, six person of perilous. (Abundant news boxun.com)

It is said, the patient completely is the peasant, the age in 30 to 70 years old between.

The notification indicates, in uninhabited arises with the patient close contact, has not discovered the infection phenomenon.

The notification also said, the accurate cause of disease also must further verify, the laboratory examination work is being carried on.

According to what is stated, after the Chinese medical department receives the epidemic situation report, has sent out to unite the expert group goes Sichuan assists the local development medical service to treat and cure, the epidemiology investigation as well as the epidemic situation control processing work. (Abundant news boxun.com)

The above report raises the possibility of H5N1 bird flu spread to Chengdu, capital of Sichuan Province. The earlier boxun reports described human outbreaks of H5N1 in Qinghai Province, which is sparsely populated. Chengdu is a major city with a population of about 10 million. The above report indicates there are 20 infections with 9 dead and 6 more critical. The case fatality rate would be very high and consistent with bird flu rates seen in Vietnam and Thailand last year. However, the H5N1 at Qingahi Lake is quite virulent in birds, and the reports from China suggest the infections are spreading quickly.

Sichuan is just to the east of Qinghai. The weather has turned cold early at Qingahi, and it is snowing at Qinghai Lake. Therefore, the migration from Qinghai Lake may have already begun, which may be spreading H5N1 to points south and east in China. Chengdu could accelerate spread with a dense population and an International airport.

Although not confirmed, the timing, location, and high fatality rate support a raging flu pandemic in China

 

[Kimber]

I'm only a part time follower of these threads, but I thought I'd add this in case it hasn't been posted.

This thing is showing up in frozen poultry (duck and/or geese, I believe) from Asian birds sold to Japan.

It's likely been posted already. But if it hasn't been, I can try to track down the story. From within the past week.

Essentially, it said, no need for alarm if you wash your hands and cook the produce thoroughly.

It raised an eyebrow with me because we love duck, but ours generally are from NY not China.

David

 

[Onebyone]

got preps?

Need to replenish my flu preps and canned soup. I checked my meds for flu the other day and several things were expired so need to replace some cough syrups, advil and asprin. Guess I better go to Walley world shortly. Think I will get some Pedilite also for using in case of dehydration.

 

[NoCarrier]

I'm only a part time follower of these threads, but I thought I'd add this in case it hasn't been posted.

This thing is showing up in frozen poultry (duck and/or geese, I believe) from Asian birds sold to Japan.

It's likely been posted already. But if it hasn't been, I can try to track down the story. From within the past week.

Essentially, it said, no need for alarm if you wash your hands and cook the produce thoroughly.

It raised an eyebrow with me because we love duck, but ours generally are from NY not China.

David

I suggest you do some more research about what H5N1 is.

H5N1 is a bird flu virus that usually infects other birds and kills them. The death rate is almost 100%. That was until 1997 when people got infected too (The Hong Kong incident). The WHO/Scientists didn't know human beings could get infected by a bird flu virus. 5 or 6 people died. Hong Kong culled everything with a wing and prevented a pandemic.

But now, 8 years later, the virus is still there, it killed millions of birds in Asia, it killed almost 60 people and there are reports that it's spreading and killing people in China (as of today, that's why those reports are worrying).

This has nothing to do with "cooking" chicken properly. A new pandemic strain might have been created. Just like the Spanish Flu. They know now the "Spanish Flu" strain was a result of an avian flu virus that mutated into an evil human flu virus.

If you want to know more about H5N1. Do a search on this board or on Google.

 

[NoCarrier]

Need to replenish my flu preps and canned soup. I checked my meds for flu the other day and several things were expired so need to replace some cough syrups, advil and asprin. Guess I better go to Walley world shortly. Think I will get some Pedilite also for using in case of dehydration.

You will need much more than that...

Chicken soup and over the counter meds won't save you.


You need food and water to store.. In case the economy stops. Imagine only 20-30% of everyone ill in the united States. Or even millions of people dying. Who will take care of the food distribution? The electricity? Water? Etc..

Here is a thread you need to bookmark

http://www.curevents.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17139

 

[Kimber]

No Carrier,

I would suggest you do not presume.

Edited: Just because I don't read all threads, doesn't mean I don't follow a subject such as this.

David

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Bird Flu Found in Frozen Duck Meat

By MARGIE MASON, AP Medical Writer
Wed Jul 20, 2:02 PM ET

HANOI, Vietnam - The bird flu virus was found in processed frozen duck meat shipped for human consumption from China to Japan two years ago — another reminder of how easily the disease can cross borders and how hard it is to kill, health officials said Wednesday.

In a recent study published online in the journal Virology, a team of Japanese researchers reported a form of the H5N1 virus was found in duck meat exported from China's Shandong province into Japan in 2003.

The World Health Organization said this was not the first time the virus has been found in processed meat, but it stressed the findings illustrate the virus' strength and presence in Asian poultry stocks.

However, WHO said processed poultry meat poses no risk to consumers as long as precautions are taken during preparation, such as frequently washing hands and countertops and making sure all meat is thoroughly cooked and no blood remains.

"This is an indicator that H5N1 viruses are widespread in Asia in many different kinds of fowl," said Bob Dietz, a spokesman for WHO's Western Pacific Region.

"We know this virus to be a persistent, aggressive survivor. This study is another indicator of that."

The findings come as China is under pressure to provide more information about the virus found in wild birds. The country has not responded to WHO requests for information about 6,000 migratory bird deaths in the western province of Qinghai or to let experts visit the site of a reported bird flu outbreak near the border with Kazakhstan, said Roy Wadia, a spokesman for WHO's Beijing office.

WHO said the Japanese research suggests the H5N1 virus was circulating among poultry stocks in China when the ducks were processed.

"It is another way in which the virus can spread across boundaries," Dietz said. "It's an indicator that by the time the ducks were slaughtered there is very good reason to believe they had been exposed to the H5N1 virus."

A Hong Kong researcher also published a study this month saying 1,000 geese that recently died in Qinghai province likely contracted the virus from poultry. Chinese health officials have not responded to requests for comment.

Since 2003, bird flu has killed at least 57 people in Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia and Indonesia, which reported its first three human deaths Wednesday. A father and his two young daughters from a Jakarta suburb died earlier this month, and tests confirmed they were infected with the H5N1 virus, said Indonesian Health Minister Siti Fadilah Supari.

The disease has also devastated poultry stocks in the region, where millions of sick birds have died or been slaughtered.

The Japanese study also found the virus discovered in the duck meat was also slightly genetically different from other bird flu viruses, raising questions about different types of avian influenza circulating among Asian poultry.

After exposing mice to the virus, they found it was not as pathogenic as the H5N1 virus found in humans, but that it could have the potential to become more virulent.

"This data revealed that multiple H5N1 genotypes have (been) circulating in China," said Masaji Mase, one of the study's authors from the National Institute of Animal Health in Japan, who added more research was needed in China.

International health experts have repeatedly warned the bird flu virus could evolve into a highly contagious form passed easily from person to person, sparking a global pandemic. So far, most cases have been traced to contact with sick birds.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/asia_bird_flu

 

[freebyrd]

bush was in atlanta today, did he have a face to face with julie gerberding head of the cdc?

i have a niece in china, i'll see if i can get a hold of her
freebyrd

 

[Fuzzychick]

Those that wish to know and/or prep...yes another forum, and I sound like a taperecorder once again....curevents.com...sorry Dennis and mods, again I recommend all here check in and look at the flu threads...I'm not plugging for another forum, just to help all out here....

 

[VesperSparrow]

So does the US import alot or even any at all of chickens and stuff from China? What about the Chinese restaraunts? What about those Ramen noodles?
I guess my question is how do we know where anything comes from anymore now that bush-ac has opened our borders to everything under the sun?

And is it possible this is already here? I'm sure somewhere the symtoms are posted. Can you lead me to them?

And take somewhere like Wal-Mart that basically is China in a box selling clothing and all types of other goods from that nation...is it possible that even clothing could be contaminated? Whats the life span of this virus?

I have so many questions about this and other things because I just don't know the answers. Yet.

One thing is for certain, with open borders and people flowing back and forth and food and other things flowing in and out, there is no telling what black death is waiting in the wings.
Even now with CAFTA we are in for it. The thought of knowing that some of our fruits and vegetables are urinated, deficated, and thrown up on before they even leave the field is horrifying.

So help me out here? What's going on in this world?

God help us PLEASE!

 

[Fuzzychick]

As a nurse , I know what I have to do to stay alive...most here don't have this background...Dennis, that is why I strongly recommend this site...we need to ALL be prepared and IMHO, the flu threads at curevents.com are by far superior because of the in depth info offered, this thread is watched as a heads up by alot of people.... JMHO Love Fuzzy

 

[NoCarrier]

No Carrier,

I would suggest you do not presume.

Edited: Just because I don't read all threads, doesn't mean I don't follow a subject such as this.

David

I do not presume anything, but you are claiming that the bird flu can be stopped if you cook the chicken long enough. You do not understand. That stage was years ago, now there is a possibility that the bird flu infected humans (that the virus mutated to and now know how to properly infect human cells) and now humans is infecting other humans. Humans do not have immunity to H5N1.

 

[Calrissian]

its starting?
Well, thank god for that. All these articles I've read over the last decade or so about this next uber-pandemic, fine.

As long as no more than 85% of the 'Western population' die, then frankly, there is very little to worry about ! We have had our warnings, we have had good opportunity to prepare or even prevent it. I'd rather it be now, rather than this endless nonsense of fear, worry, and endlessly provoking articles that tell us the end of the world is coming.

I'm ready, are you?

 

[Kim99]

I do not presume anything, but you are claiming that the bird flu can be stopped if you cook the chicken long enough. You do not understand. That stage was years ago, now there is a possibility that the bird flu infected humans (that the virus mutated to and now know how to properly infect human cells) and now humans is infecting other humans. Humans do not have immunity to H5N1.

I have to agree with NoCarrier on this one. I'm not worried about the chickens. It's the guy who just got back from vacation in Indonesia, whose brother picked him up at the airport and then sneezed into his hand before he opened the door to the bank 30 seconds before me. When this really takes off, people will have it for at least 24 hours before they even start to feel sick. Meanwhile, they are contagious.

 

[Kimber]

Must I repost a quote from me from a few threads ago:

Essentially, it said, no need for alarm if you wash your hands and cook the produce thoroughly.​

Live it, love it, or learn it. I actually don't do any of these. I was just commenting on what I read.

My own view, in all honesty, is that I will avoid people. Keeping well armed, when something does occur.

But, meantime, if you like frozen fowl, my post stands.

David

Edited to add: When I report what I read, I report it. If someone wants my own point of view, that's fine. I generally note when I'm giving it. My post(s) on this thread was just to note the frozen fowl issue.

Edited again: typos really suck. I just was intending to post the frozen fowl issue.

 

[Onebyone]

You will need much more than that...

Chicken soup and over the counter meds won't save you.


You need food and water to store.. In case the economy stops. Imagine only 20-30% of everyone ill in the united States. Or even millions of people dying. Who will take care of the food distribution? The electricity? Water? Etc..

You also presumed with me too. I have been a prepper before there was a word called prepper. Like over 25 years. I have over 6 months of food and several weeks of water plus seeds, plus many other things to numerous to mention as normal preps.

So you see I don't need to prep those things just for bird flu as I keep them as a normal life.

Meds are prepped too it is just time to replenish some things.

 

[NoCarrier]

Must I repost a quote from me from a few threads ago:

Essentially, it said, no need for alarm if you wash your hands and cook the produce thoroughly.​

Live it, love it, or learn it. I actually don't do any of these. I was just commenting on what I read.

My own view, in all honesty, is that I will avoid people. Keeping well armed, when something does occur.

But, meantime, if you like frozen fowl, my post stands.

David

Edited to add: When I report what I read, I report it. If someone wants my own point of view, that's fine. I generally note when I'm giving it. My post(s) on this thread was just to note the frozen fowl issue.

Edited again: typos really suck. I just was intending to post the frozen fowl issue.

Kimber, every comments/ideas are welcome. I am just telling you, that even if you cook frozen chicken even if you cook a chicken alive, it's already too late. According to these reports, we are at phase 6 of a pandemic.

Phase 6: Pandemic: increased and sustained transmission in general population.

This was like saying in the previous "Spanish Flu" 1918 pandemic where 50 to 80 million people died across the globe : "Cook the chicken properly and you won't get infected".

Once the virus knows how to infect a human cell and how to infect another human person, it's too late. It will start a human chain reaction where one person will infect 10 other persons. Now, do your math. Even if you hug the chicken. We are at the pandemic phase.

But those reports are not confirmed. We are waiting. Let's pray.

 

[NoCarrier]

You also presumed with me too. I have been a prepper before there was a word called prepper. Like over 25 years. I have over 6 months of food and several weeks of water plus seeds, plus many other things to numerous to mention as normal preps.

So you see I don't need to prep those things just for bird flu as I keep them as a normal life.

Meds are prepped too it is just time to replenish some things.

onebyone, I never presumed anything. I am not judging anyone. I am just doing this to help EVERYONE. If you prepped for a nuclear, terrorist attack for a couple of months worth of food and water, then you are also ready for a flu pandemic. I hope you have your elderberry extract ready in case for cytokine storms. But you are a professional "prepper". I am sure you already have it.

 

[NoCarrier]

Look everyone, this is not a competition about knowledge. I am not perfect. I am just trying to give some information about what I have learned since 1997 with the H5N1 Hong Kong incident. I am not judging anyone. I am not a flu scientist. I am just giving information about what I know from the internet/discussion forums based on the upcoming pandemic. I am sorry if I sound like if I am the "GOD" of H5N1 information ressource. I am not.. I am just doing my best.

 

[JohnGaltfla]

I suspect troop movements of this scale would be visible from satellite images? The gov should be able to confirm, not sure if current images would be available to public or at higher, zoomed-in resolution either.

Pretty ominous if true.

Reasons they WON'T AND CAN'T confirm:

1. Global economic collapse.

2. Mass panic bankrupting airlines.

3. No ability to stop the spread so keep the public in the dark giving the scientists a chance to find a vaccine.

4. China is our largest trading partner.

5. The ChiComs are like Stalinists. They can silence anything or anyone if they desire.

Better not kiss any chickens boys and girls. This winter could be very lethal to our population, especially since we DON'T SEAL OR G.D. BORDERS.

 

[Hansa44]

Here's a great preparation thread in case of Flu Pandemic:


http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=141047

 

[Onebyone]

I hope you have your elderberry extract ready in case for cytokine storms. But you are a professional "prepper". I am sure you already have it.

Yes I have elderberry extract 4 bottles in fact; had it for over a year and have always kept it for several years during flu season. However, I have heard of pros and cons with Elderberry regarding bird flu. I plan to use it however.

I also have several bottles of Radblock in case of that nuke I bought from Shane in 1998 I believe it was.

 

[NoCarrier]

So does the US import alot or even any at all of chickens and stuff from China? What about the Chinese restaraunts? What about those Ramen noodles?

We are talking about a flu virus. A new one. Humans do not have immunity. So what does that mean? It means that almost everyone on this planet will be infected. Does that mean that everyone will die? No.

So with the current flu strain, not everyone gets infected. WHY???

Because most people already have immunity and if someone in your family is infected, you won't get infected if you are immuned.

Flu viruses do not change dramatically every year. So most people won't get infected from flu or most people won't die from it. Unless there is a TOTALLY NEW strain.

Imagine a computer hacker creating new virus. Without a anti-virus software. Your computer will get infected, and infect others. When a new pandemic strain appears every 30-35 years, the same thing happens. You get infected, and you will infect everyone around you. It will be like a wildfire. If the mortality rate of the new virus is high, many people will die. In 1918, the mortality rate was more or less 2.5%

Now imagine H5N1 with a 50% mortality rate. Let's say, 2 billion people infected. 50% of them die.

This does not happen with normal flu strain because the majority of people have an immunity. Only older people and young children are at risk.

But with a new pandemic strain, like the H5N1. EVERYONE will be at risk. And you won't get infected by a RAMEN Chinese noodble box, but from your grocery store clerk, your girlfriend, your dad, mom.. ETC..

 

[NoCarrier]

However, I have heard of pros and cons with Elderberry regarding bird flu.

Me too, unfortunately, this will be our only first line of defense against our own immunity attacking the virus. Unless you have Tamiflu to attack the virus.. But I think it will be useless. I am sure that the H5N1 has already learned to defeat Tamiflu. I've read reports that it didn't work with some patients.

 

[Kim99]

Onebyone, what is a "con" as far as elderberry goes? I mean, other than not working. Could it cause adverse reactions or something? Thanks, Kim

 

[Onebyone]

Me too, unfortunately, this will be our only first line of defense against it. Unless you have Tamiflu. But I think it will be useless. I am sure that the H5N1 has already learned to defeat Tamiflu. I've read reports that it didn't work with some patients.

Actually if you have never read it google Royal Rife's work. He was able to kill viruses several decades ago with wave technology. I was reading more of his work recently and he also found out something I found very interesting. He found that virus cells are like a primordial cell and can develop into all kinds of illness including cancer depending on the media it is grow in. For instance according to what he said you could take a virus cell feed it a certain media and change it to cancer then back to some other virus without adding that other virus to the original virus you started with. All he did was change the media the virus was grown in. To me that was a real eye opener as therorically with his statements you could take a deadly virus and feed it a different media and change it into a non deadly virus. I was so amazed by it I had to print it out and let my daughter read it. So if we change our body chemistry maybe we could change the media the bird flu is eating in us and cause it to not be deadly.

I just wish Rifes files were not mostly destroyed. He was a brilliant man and could and did contribute so much to medical knowledge.

 

[Onebyone]

Onebyone, what is a "con" as far as elderberry goes? I mean, other than not working. Could it cause adverse reactions or something? Thanks, Kim

I did read somewhere sorry don't recall where just now that Elderberry "could possibly" cause more lung congestion in some people in a bird flu. I have no idea if this is true or not but I intend to take it anyway.

 

[Kim99]

Thanks, OBO~ I have some elderberry and plan to use it also.

 

[atlantajack]

bush was in atlanta today, did he have a face to face with julie gerberding head of the cdc?

Talk about Dumb and Dumber! Gerberding is an idiot!
Jack

 

[Fleataxi]

Obo: I'd HIGHLY suggest if you don't already have several boxes (20 per box) or a case (8 boxes per case) of N-95 filtermasks, buy them now - as well as a couple N-100 respirators (About $12 each, and the filters are $8 each, whereas the N-95 costs 80-90 cents each!) As soon as this story breaks, there is going to be a run on filter masks - which is 1 way to prevent infections. That and wearing exam gloves all day - NOT touching face, and frequent hand washing - Purell is going to make a killing!

NBC filters and respirators are useful, but overkill.

Fleataxi

 

[SCR1]

I have M17A1 and M40 military masks with decent surplus filters, should that prevent 0dpread?