UNEX Slavery and the eight veils

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
Don Harkins originally published this remarkable piece of wisdom as an editorial in the December 2001 issue of the Idaho Observer
here:Idaho Observer: Slavery and the eight veils.

it was 10 years before I found it. when I did, it opened a lot of doors for me. in fact I remember the impression I had when I realized the significance of its many truths. it was as if I'd been in a library with many floors. I'd read all that I could there. there was a stairway to the second floor - where there were more books - but I couldn't get to the stairs because the door at the foot of those stairs was locked. this piece was the key that opened that door for me. maybe you'll have the same sort of experience.

at the time I discovered this I'd been studying "the conspiracy" for a very long time - since 1972. it had become increasingly clear to me that not only WAS there a conspiracy - but that it had many facets by which it enslaved us. it was not only political but also spiritual. in fact the largest portion of it WAS spiritual. I could never find the rational/logical connection between the two. this essay and a particularly bright fellow named Michael S Heiser, PhD - an American biblical Old Testament scholar and Christian author, helped to bridge what seemed to be a great divide for me. Heiser's area of expertise is the nature of the spiritual realm in the Bible; the Divine council and hierarchy of the spiritual order in particular.

I original started to post this on "UNEXPLAINED" under the prefix of WOO-gen, but I've put it on main under UNEX. although it clearly has implications for current events; it also has significant spiritual implications. when you consider those they seem to run the gambit from one end of the spectrum to the other. so here it is for your consideration. MODS if you feel it's better placed on UNEXPLAINED please feel free to relocate.

while I DO NOT want this to become a religious debate I do think that there is room for reasonable scriptural reference here as well - I don't know how that fits into the current rules on such things . hopefully its permissibly under the current prefix.

Slavery and the eight veils

Don Harkins

Over the last several years I have evolved and discarded several theories in an attempt to explain why it is that most people cannot see truth -- even when it smacks them in the face. Those of us who can see “the conspiracy” have participated in countless conversations amongst ourselves that address the frustration of most peoples' inability to comprehend the extremely well-documented arguments which we use to describe the process of our collective enslavement and exploitation. The most common explanation to be arrived at is that most people just “don't want to see” what is really going on.

Extremely evil men and women who make up the world's power-elite have cleverly cultivated a virtual pasture so grass green that few people seldom, if ever, bother to look up from where they are grazing long enough to notice the brightly colored tags stapled to their ears.

The same people who cannot see their enslavement for the pasture grass have a tendency to view as insane “conspiracy theorists” -- those of us who can see past the farm and into the parlor of his feudal lordship's castle.

Finally, I understand why.

It's not that those who don't see that their freedom is vanishing under the leadership of the power-elite “don't want to see it” -- they simply can't see what is happening to them because of the unpierced veils that block their view.

All human endeavors are a filtration process. Sports are one of the best examples. We play specific sports until we get kicked off the playground. The pro athletes we pay big bucks to watch just never got kicked off the playground. Where millions of kids play little league each spring, the filtration process continues for until there are about 50 guys who go to the World Series in October.

Behind the first veil: There are over six billion people on the planet. Most of them live and die without having seriously contemplated anything other than what it takes to keep their lives together. Ninety percent of all humanity will live and die without having pierced the first veil.

The first veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the first veil and find the world of politics. We will vote, be active and have an opinion. Our opinions are shaped by the physical world around us; we have a tendency to accept that government officials, network media personalities and other “experts” are voices of authority. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the second veil.

The second veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the second veil to explore the world of history, the relationship between man and government and the meaning of self-government through constitutional and common law. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the third veil.

The third veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the third veil to find that the resources of the world, including people, are controlled by extremely wealthy and powerful families whose incorporated old world assets have, with modern extortion strategies, become the foundation upon which the world's economy is currently indebted. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fourth veil.

The fourth veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the fourth veil to discover the Illuminati, Freemasonry and the other secret societies. These societies use symbols and perform ceremonies that perpetuate the generational transfers of arcane knowledge that is used to keep the ordinary people in political, economic and spiritual bondage to the oldest bloodlines on earth. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fifth veil.

The fifth veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the fifth veil to learn that the secret societies are so far advanced technologically that time travel and interstellar communications have no boundaries and controlling the actions of people is what their members do as offhandedly as we tell our children when they must go to bed. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the sixth veil.

The sixth veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the sixth veil where the dragons and lizards and aliens we thought were the fictional monsters of childhood literature are real and are the controlling forces behind the secret societies. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without piercing the seventh veil.

The seventh veil: I do not know what is behind the seventh veil. I think it is where your soul is evolved to the point you can exist on earth and be the man Ghandi was, or the woman Peace Pilgrim was- people so enlightened they brighten the world around them no matter what.

The eighth veil? Piercing the eighth veil probably reveals God and the pure energy that is the life force in all living things-which are, I think, one and the same.

If my math is accurate there are only about 60,000 people on the planet who have pierced the sixth veil. The irony here is too incredible: Those who are stuck behind veils one through five have little choice but to view the people who have pierced the veils beyond them as insane. With each veil pierced, exponentially shrinking numbers of increasingly enlightened people are deemed insane by exponentially increasing masses of decreasingly enlightened people.

Adding to the irony, the harder a “sixth or better veiler” tries to explain what he is able to see to those who can't, the more insane he appears to them.

Our enemy, the state who

Behind the first two veils we find the great majority of people on the planet. They are tools of the state: Second veilers are the gullible voters whose ignorance justify the actions of politicians who send first veilers off to die in foreign lands as cannon fodder -- their combined stations in life are to believe that the self-serving machinations of the power-elite are matters of national security worth dying for.

Third, fourth, fifth and sixth veilers are of increasing liability to the state because of their decreasing ability to be used as tools to consolidate power and wealth of the many into the hands of the power-elite. It is common for these people to sacrifice more of their relationships with friends and family, their professional careers and personal freedom with each veil they pierce.

Albert Jay Nock (1870-1945), author of “Our Enemy, the State” (1935), explained what happens to those who find the seventh and eighth veils: “What was the best that the state could find to do with an actual Socrates and an actual Jesus when it had them? Merely to poison one and crucify the other, for no reason but that they were too intolerably embarrassing to be allowed to live any longer.”

Conclusions

And so now we know that it's not that our countrymen are so committed to their lives that, “they don't want to see,” the mechanisms of their enslavement and exploitation. They simply “can't see” it as surely as I cannot see what's on the other side of a closed curtain.

The purpose of this essay is threefold: 1. To help the handful of people in the latter veils to understand why the masses have little choice but to interpret their clarity as insanity; 2. To help people behind the first two veils understand that living, breathing and thinking are just the beginning and; 3. Show people that the greatest adventure of our life is behind the next veil because that is just one less veil between ourselves and God.


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raven

TB Fanatic
that sounds about right however, i do not know about the time travel and lizard people.

i know that I have tried to explain things to people (even my sweetie) and nothing. These are people that i know were really trying. They really, really want to know - how I was able to quit work in 2012 at the age of 58 and live well and pay no taxes.

being "veiled" is about the only explanation for the lemming march to the sea of this population.
I believe or hope to believe that current events with the mass fraud that more than a few will become enlightened.

Ok, ok. I do not really believe that any of them will become enlightened.
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Don Harkins originally published this remarkable piece of wisdom as an editorial in the December 2001 issue of the Idaho Observer
here:Idaho Observer: Slavery and the eight veils.

it was 10 years before I found it. when I did, it opened a lot of doors for me. in fact I remember the impression I had when I realized the significance of its many truths. it was as if I'd been in a library with many floors. I'd read all that I could there. there was a stairway to the second floor - where there were more books - but I couldn't get to the stairs because the door at the foot of those stairs was locked. this piece was the key that opened that door for me. maybe you'll have the same sort of experience.

at the time I discovered this I'd been studying "the conspiracy" for a very long time - since 1972. it had become increasingly clear to me that not only WAS there a conspiracy - but that it had many facets by which it enslaved us. it was not only political but also spiritual. in fact the largest portion of it WAS spiritual. I could never find the rational/logical connection between the two. this essay and a particularly bright fellow named Michael S Heiser, PhD - an American biblical Old Testament scholar and Christian author, helped to bridge what seemed to be a great divide for me. Heiser's area of expertise is the nature of the spiritual realm in the Bible; the Divine council and hierarchy of the spiritual order in particular.

I original started to post this on "UNEXPLAINED" under the prefix of WOO-gen, but I've put it on main under UNEX. although it clearly has implications for current events; it also has significant spiritual implications. when you consider those they seem to run the gambit from one end of the spectrum to the other. so here it is for your consideration. MODS if you feel it's better placed on UNEXPLAINED please feel free to relocate.

while I DO NOT want this to become a religious debate I do think that there is room for reasonable scriptural reference here as well - I don't know how that fits into the current rules on such things . hopefully its permissibly under the current prefix.

Slavery and the eight veils

Don Harkins

Over the last several years I have evolved and discarded several theories in an attempt to explain why it is that most people cannot see truth -- even when it smacks them in the face. Those of us who can see “the conspiracy” have participated in countless conversations amongst ourselves that address the frustration of most peoples' inability to comprehend the extremely well-documented arguments which we use to describe the process of our collective enslavement and exploitation. The most common explanation to be arrived at is that most people just “don't want to see” what is really going on.

Extremely evil men and women who make up the world's power-elite have cleverly cultivated a virtual pasture so grass green that few people seldom, if ever, bother to look up from where they are grazing long enough to notice the brightly colored tags stapled to their ears.

The same people who cannot see their enslavement for the pasture grass have a tendency to view as insane “conspiracy theorists” -- those of us who can see past the farm and into the parlor of his feudal lordship's castle.

Finally, I understand why.

It's not that those who don't see that their freedom is vanishing under the leadership of the power-elite “don't want to see it” -- they simply can't see what is happening to them because of the unpierced veils that block their view.

All human endeavors are a filtration process. Sports are one of the best examples. We play specific sports until we get kicked off the playground. The pro athletes we pay big bucks to watch just never got kicked off the playground. Where millions of kids play little league each spring, the filtration process continues for until there are about 50 guys who go to the World Series in October.

Behind the first veil: There are over six billion people on the planet. Most of them live and die without having seriously contemplated anything other than what it takes to keep their lives together. Ninety percent of all humanity will live and die without having pierced the first veil.

The first veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the first veil and find the world of politics. We will vote, be active and have an opinion. Our opinions are shaped by the physical world around us; we have a tendency to accept that government officials, network media personalities and other “experts” are voices of authority. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the second veil.

The second veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the second veil to explore the world of history, the relationship between man and government and the meaning of self-government through constitutional and common law. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the third veil.

The third veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the third veil to find that the resources of the world, including people, are controlled by extremely wealthy and powerful families whose incorporated old world assets have, with modern extortion strategies, become the foundation upon which the world's economy is currently indebted. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fourth veil.

The fourth veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the fourth veil to discover the Illuminati, Freemasonry and the other secret societies. These societies use symbols and perform ceremonies that perpetuate the generational transfers of arcane knowledge that is used to keep the ordinary people in political, economic and spiritual bondage to the oldest bloodlines on earth. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fifth veil.

The fifth veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the fifth veil to learn that the secret societies are so far advanced technologically that time travel and interstellar communications have no boundaries and controlling the actions of people is what their members do as offhandedly as we tell our children when they must go to bed. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the sixth veil.

The sixth veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the sixth veil where the dragons and lizards and aliens we thought were the fictional monsters of childhood literature are real and are the controlling forces behind the secret societies. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without piercing the seventh veil.

The seventh veil: I do not know what is behind the seventh veil. I think it is where your soul is evolved to the point you can exist on earth and be the man Ghandi was, or the woman Peace Pilgrim was- people so enlightened they brighten the world around them no matter what.

The eighth veil? Piercing the eighth veil probably reveals God and the pure energy that is the life force in all living things-which are, I think, one and the same.

If my math is accurate there are only about 60,000 people on the planet who have pierced the sixth veil. The irony here is too incredible: Those who are stuck behind veils one through five have little choice but to view the people who have pierced the veils beyond them as insane. With each veil pierced, exponentially shrinking numbers of increasingly enlightened people are deemed insane by exponentially increasing masses of decreasingly enlightened people.

Adding to the irony, the harder a “sixth or better veiler” tries to explain what he is able to see to those who can't, the more insane he appears to them.

Our enemy, the state who

Behind the first two veils we find the great majority of people on the planet. They are tools of the state: Second veilers are the gullible voters whose ignorance justify the actions of politicians who send first veilers off to die in foreign lands as cannon fodder -- their combined stations in life are to believe that the self-serving machinations of the power-elite are matters of national security worth dying for.

Third, fourth, fifth and sixth veilers are of increasing liability to the state because of their decreasing ability to be used as tools to consolidate power and wealth of the many into the hands of the power-elite. It is common for these people to sacrifice more of their relationships with friends and family, their professional careers and personal freedom with each veil they pierce.

Albert Jay Nock (1870-1945), author of “Our Enemy, the State” (1935), explained what happens to those who find the seventh and eighth veils: “What was the best that the state could find to do with an actual Socrates and an actual Jesus when it had them? Merely to poison one and crucify the other, for no reason but that they were too intolerably embarrassing to be allowed to live any longer.”

Conclusions

And so now we know that it's not that our countrymen are so committed to their lives that, “they don't want to see,” the mechanisms of their enslavement and exploitation. They simply “can't see” it as surely as I cannot see what's on the other side of a closed curtain.

The purpose of this essay is threefold: 1. To help the handful of people in the latter veils to understand why the masses have little choice but to interpret their clarity as insanity; 2. To help people behind the first two veils understand that living, breathing and thinking are just the beginning and; 3. Show people that the greatest adventure of our life is behind the next veil because that is just one less veil between ourselves and God.


________________________________________________________________

I haven't read this in years. Thanks for posting. There are two songs that are most dear to me that tackle this. One is Harry Chapin's "Shooting Star" and the other is Jim Stafford's "None Of Us Are Here". Meet you at the Eighth Veil. Whoever comes in last has to buy the Ambrosia! :kiss:
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
and now, yet more food for thot . . .
Understanding the Nine Veils of Illusion

Understanding the Nine Veils of Illusion

January 01, 2020
A. True Ott, PhD

Nearly a decade ago, a dear friend and colleague of mine named Don Harkins authored a wonderfully thought-provoking piece entitled "Slavery and the Eight Veils." Prior to Harkins’ untimely death, we discussed this eight veils theory for literally hours together – and in the end, Don asked me to write a piece about this for his newspaper, “The Idaho Observer.” He did this, because I had shared much of my research with Don, and we together came to the conclusion that in reality, there were actually NINE veils placed on the human soul (i.e. intelligence), and that spiritual progression and thus a full knowledge of TRUTH would require the piercing of these nine veils.

I joked with Don that this topic would take an entire edition of The Idaho Observer, and then it would only scratch the surface. That was one of Don’s editorial talents – taking a complex story and compressing it to a more readable format. In memory of Don Harkins, here is the writing we discussed, in as compressed a format as possible.

Why Nine Veils Instead of Eight?

Any dedicated seeker of truth eventually stumbles upon the incredible symmetry and structure of mathematics, which is especially true in fractal geometry involving the integers 1-9. For a most basic example, just take a look at these NINE equations:

(1 x 8) + 1= 9
(12 x 8) + 2 = 98
(123 x 8) + 3 = 987
(1234 x 8) + 4 = 9876
(12345 x 8) + 5 = 98765
(123456 x 8) + 6 = 987654
(1234567 x 8) + 7 = 9876543
(12345678 x 8) + 8 = 98765432
(123456789 x 8) + 9 = 987654321​

Amazing, isn’t it? I find it very interesting, furthermore, that all of the great philosophers in history such as Archimedes, Copernicus, Socrates and DaVinci all were mathematicians first and foremost. I submit that everything from biblical prophecy to DNA strands are built and based on quite simple mathematical formulas and patterns – but I am getting ahead of the story, for understanding the role of mathematics is in itself one of the nine hidden veils.

Consider also the so-called “mystery schools” of antiquity. In shadowy temples in Sumer and Babylon – the Kabbalah showed the way to the ultimate “Holy of Holies” – the re-veil-a-tions (revelation, i.e. the parting of the veils) of life, the creation, of God and when embraced in honor and truth, the very Origins of Man. This involved systematically piercing and embracing NINE levels of understanding or “Truth Plateaus” before finally entering “Nirvana” (or the ultimate unity with God) as depicted in modern “tracing boards”.

Like a giant Sudoku Puzzle board, the human experience we call life truly revolves around the numbers 1 – 9 in so many remarkable ways. Everything has a place in the system, and everything fits neatly and precisely in the eternal grid of time and space. This then, is but one definition of Truth – hidden, arcane knowledge that fits completely in the mathematical grid called logic. Yeshua (aka Jesus of Nazareth) declared this to His disciples: “Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free.”
Why Can't People See the Truth?

This question is best answered by Don Harkins’ wise words written in 2001 (OP)
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
and now, yet more food for thot . . .
Understanding the Nine Veils of Illusion

Understanding the Nine Veils of Illusion

January 01, 2020
A. True Ott, PhD

Nearly a decade ago, a dear friend and colleague of mine named Don Harkins authored a wonderfully thought-provoking piece entitled "Slavery and the Eight Veils." Prior to Harkins’ untimely death, we discussed this eight veils theory for literally hours together – and in the end, Don asked me to write a piece about this for his newspaper, “The Idaho Observer.” He did this, because I had shared much of my research with Don, and we together came to the conclusion that in reality, there were actually NINE veils placed on the human soul (i.e. intelligence), and that spiritual progression and thus a full knowledge of TRUTH would require the piercing of these nine veils.

I joked with Don that this topic would take an entire edition of The Idaho Observer, and then it would only scratch the surface. That was one of Don’s editorial talents – taking a complex story and compressing it to a more readable format. In memory of Don Harkins, here is the writing we discussed, in as compressed a format as possible.

Why Nine Veils Instead of Eight?

Any dedicated seeker of truth eventually stumbles upon the incredible symmetry and structure of mathematics, which is especially true in fractal geometry involving the integers 1-9. For a most basic example, just take a look at these NINE equations:

(1 x 8) + 1= 9
(12 x 8) + 2 = 98
(123 x 8) + 3 = 987
(1234 x 8) + 4 = 9876
(12345 x 8) + 5 = 98765
(123456 x 8) + 6 = 987654
(1234567 x 8) + 7 = 9876543
(12345678 x 8) + 8 = 98765432
(123456789 x 8) + 9 = 987654321​

Amazing, isn’t it? I find it very interesting, furthermore, that all of the great philosophers in history such as Archimedes, Copernicus, Socrates and DaVinci all were mathematicians first and foremost. I submit that everything from biblical prophecy to DNA strands are built and based on quite simple mathematical formulas and patterns – but I am getting ahead of the story, for understanding the role of mathematics is in itself one of the nine hidden veils.

Consider also the so-called “mystery schools” of antiquity. In shadowy temples in Sumer and Babylon – the Kabbalah showed the way to the ultimate “Holy of Holies” – the re-veil-a-tions (revelation, i.e. the parting of the veils) of life, the creation, of God and when embraced in honor and truth, the very Origins of Man. This involved systematically piercing and embracing NINE levels of understanding or “Truth Plateaus” before finally entering “Nirvana” (or the ultimate unity with God) as depicted in modern “tracing boards”.

Like a giant Sudoku Puzzle board, the human experience we call life truly revolves around the numbers 1 – 9 in so many remarkable ways. Everything has a place in the system, and everything fits neatly and precisely in the eternal grid of time and space. This then, is but one definition of Truth – hidden, arcane knowledge that fits completely in the mathematical grid called logic. Yeshua (aka Jesus of Nazareth) declared this to His disciples: “Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free.”
Why Can't People See the Truth?

This question is best answered by Don Harkins’ wise words written in 2001 (OP)

In order to See the full truth of this you must visit the Ancestral religions. For instance, Asatru.
the Veil is hung in both Eights and Nines. Eight High Holy Days or Sabats or Sumbels, etc. per year, following the deeds of Ancestors or Gods or Seasons. Nine Worlds hung in the branches of the World Tree or Yggdrasil where Odin hung Himself for nine days and nights in order to win the Runes (the mysteries of the Universe or the Universal Truth Keys). More on mathematics and nine in a bit.

Valentina Zharkova is leading the charge against those who have turned Climate Change into the next new controlling religion. And what is she by trade? Why, a Mathematician, imagine that!

The Maya were the ones who gave us the Sacred Zero. Discovering that changed the world as we relate to it. For more on that, read the book:
Lightningbolt (Native American studies): Storm, Hyemeyohsts: 9780345361424: Amazon.com: Books
 

mzkitty

I give up.
All I can say is: You have to WANT to know.

When I was 24 and had absolutely no knowledge of anything "spiritual," and was very unhappy.

One day I just said to myself, "There MUST be more." Within 2 days piles of "spiritual" information came to me.

Yes, the virtual light came on. I wasn't blind anymore. Amazing.

:)
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
All I can say is: You have to WANT to know.

When I was 24 and had absolutely no knowledge of anything "spiritual," and was very unhappy.

One day I just said to myself, "There MUST be more." Within 2 days piles of "spiritual" information came to me.

Yes, the virtual light came on. I wasn't blind anymore. Amazing.
:)

That pure Intention to Know more is like a Spiritual Circuit being completed. Once it is, the true Journey can begin. When you get to the high hill of old age, and hopefully changed perspective, all I can say is, Wow- what a view!! I am a completely different person than I was. Better, stronger, faster... And it didn't take six million bucks, just a pure wish to Know. And gratitude and love. Lots and lots of Love.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
as I expected - you peeps are following the trail. ancient religions - gargoyles and dragons - myths and legends. nice. now comes a much bigger bite. chew slowly

I identify as "Independent Fundamental Baptist" . . . because I attend there and that's the preacher I sit under and have for 20 plus years. BUT - I do not agree with EVERYTHING espoused by ANY denomination . . .

one of my very favorite sayings is "have an open mind but not so open as to let your brain fall out" the very next is "rigidity of thought is a profoundly debilitating weakness" after all . . . we're told to "study to show ourselves approved." are we not?

most dogma is man made and not GOD given . . . MOST of it doesn't even affect your salvation - yet we'll fight over it and destroy the peace were intended to have . . . seems like the enemy's perfect plan to me.

as you read what follows remember that I'm speaking from the perspective of an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I also realize that I'm not the only sumbody here that's been on a "search and find (your) truth" walk about.

here's what I wrote a few weeks back:
like most I've been all over searching - raised roman catholic; served almost 20 yrs as a devout agnostic. played in tarrot cards for awhile. looked into the book of Mormon, ventured into Adventism and stayed there 5 years. I been all over searching. even though I will argue all day that the REAL SABBATH is SATURDAY - I have finally found a home where I'm happy. I've been where I am now since 2001.

now the big bite:
so just how DOES the 'eight veils' essay fit in spiritually to the current political climate - in the physical - and yet tie in with the distant past - spiritually . . . THAT was my original conundrum, remember?

I mentioned that Mike Heiser's work assisted me in bridging what seemed to be "a great divide between the physical and spiritual" in all of this. as I said Heiser is a PhD, Old Testament scholar and Christian author. his area of expertise is the nature of the spiritual realm in the Bible - in particular - the Divine council and hierarchy of the spiritual order. Hieser's work really fits in to this quite nicely at both GENISIS 6 and the sixth veil. if you have ANY interest in this stuff beyond casual passing look him up - most particularly his work on the Divine Council.

that bring us to GENESIS 6 - specifically the verses GEN 6:4-6 and the fall - and the co-mingling of the "fallen" with the "daughters of men" - and NOAH and the FLOOD. a flood that was sent to destroy the evil in the world at the time.
now consider these quotes:

as it was in the time of NOAH so shall it be at the time of the end
NOAH was a just man and PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS

could the phrase "perfect in his generations" actually mean an UN-CORRUPTED GENETIC LINE of 100% human descendants? was the flood really intended to destroy those commingled blood lines? if the answer to that question is YES, then where did king Og and Goliath and his brothers come from? put another way - did the effort to cleanse the earth of that evil FAIL?

now consider that we live in the age of CRISPR, genetic manipulation and AI. men of the future who will willingly become increasingly less human than they were in previous generations. look around - the dummies are standing in line even as we speak, to do it RFN. sounds quite a little bit like "IMPERFECT in his generations" to me - and maybe a bit like "as it was in the days of NOAH" too. now along comes a bio weapon - a virus that will require mandatory vaccination - anybody remember hearing some were actually beginning to wonder about that "mark thing" and a possible connection to the vaccine? you know the rest of that tune. who gave us this crap? who's forcing it down our throats?

as I said back in the OP - the "Eight Veils" essay was a very significant key in my spiritual awakening . . . below is a note I'd made to myself after I'd read and digested it - the date is 13Jan2010:

My personal observations:
This is probably the most profound piece of reading I have encountered in the past 35 years – the entire length of time I've studied “the conspiracy”. It's particularly instructive to recognize that each successive veil pierced results in a geometric reduction of individuals who will progress further.

Exactly, what does “geometric reduction” mean? It means a reduction of 10 to the 10’Th power at each level pierced. It means that at every level pierced only10% of the previous 10% will proceed further.

I gave that considerable thought. Certainly it is not because individuals who progress in learning and understanding are particularly “smarter” than others. Rather, I believe it is because individuals who do progress are those determined to continue learning - “regardless of the cost” - where “cost” is defined as one’s willingness to sacrifice increasingly more time devoted to the study of a complex subject matter - because they have realized how valuable it is in their progression along the spiritual path. I also believe it means those unencumbered by refusal to question accepted thought

So, having said the above, why is it so difficult to progress beyond the sixth veil? My personal experience here can be compared to a firewall - and the firewall is very complex. It is composed of belief systems which are deeply ingrained in the concept of religion. Certainly, there is a supreme being, a GLORIOUS CREATOR GOD, to whom we owe all praise, honor and worship, for HE has given us everything including our very spiritual existence – which is eternal.

Go back and look closely at the sixth veil. So how does one rationalize the existence of CREATOR GOD, the alpha and the omega, with the obvious existence of ET? Clearly there are positive and negative spiritual forces. We know them as good and evil. Are there not then good and evil ET’s? If they assisted in the creation process of human kind – was it the evil faction in rebellion to CREATOR GOD or the good faction in assistance to it? WAS IT BOTH?

From a purely spiritual standpoint, essentially the entirety of ET human contact is at its essence, negative and dark. On no occasion does ET espouse the concept of CREATOR GOD as source, or suggest HE is worthy of worship. Contrarily, contactees are often told that we have been engineered by them, and that we have the power to become God within ourselves. There are no recorded instances of ET suggesting JESUS is the son of GOD or deserving of worship. Quite the contrary, there are multiple reports within the literature of alien abductions being immediately terminated simply by the act of calling on the name of JESUS, at which point the entities simply “vanish”.

So - if whatever is visiting us are predominantly the “evil faction”, then where are the good ET's? Are they being held in abeyance - perhaps by CREATOR GOD until the “time of the end”, when they'll come to our assistance in some fashion? Could we not consider evil ET's the “fallen Angels” and good ET's sort of like the “Angelic Cavalry”? Is that what it means in the Bible when it speaks of “war in the heavens”?

Now here's the other side of it: There are literally millions of quite well intended, religious fundamentalists who are convinced that this globe is just over some 6000 years old. That, despite the presence of what are quite obviously galaxy sized mountains of incontrovertible, scientifically documented evidence to the contrary. In point of fact, there are volumes upon volumes of evidence to suggest that there have been several highly evolved civilizations on this planet before we arrived. why is it so difficult for so many to even consider that its entirely possible for there to have been pre-Adamic man and then came the creation of Adam? how does that conflict with biblical teachings? I submit that it DOES NOT.

So here's the real question - is this trip through simply another chance given by CREATOR GOD for “us” to make it all the way to finish line this time? And, if so, are we to destroy ourselves AGAIN, or get it right this time around?

I know I've just opened my self to the big "pile on" - If I get lost under a pile of rebukes for my blasphemy, sum buddy come find me in a few weeks. loneliness sux - BIGGLY
 
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crossbowboy

Certifiable
Look up 'Human Design.'

The name Ra Uru Hu will come up, but look more at the Jovian Archive stuff. Run your chart.

Ra's tale of revelation (for the bravely open-minded only!) is a worthy spend of the time if you like Spiritual rabbit holes. (ETA: find on YouTube)

Strongly: YMMV!
 
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mzkitty

I give up.
Hmmm......... well......... is there anything "alien" in our genetic code that's been discovered? Or are we really all human?

Doesn't it say in the Bible that we are a little below the angels? (as we behave as such, I'm sure).

I don't know as we can ever know everything about the past and what happened, but we know about now.

Here we are.

:)
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
Thanks for posting this! I think I’m in the process of penetrating the third veil. But haven’t punched through it yet!

how far do you think Trump has gone?????

TRUMP though not the answer to this "problem", is at present the commanding general of the anti globalist forces. the USA stands in the way of globalist domination and therefore must be destroyed. repeating here - but - we are front and center in the great battle of GOOD v EVIL in the physical plane. we need to be ready in the SPIRITUAL as well as the PHYSICAL for what lies ahead for all of us.

we are ALL here "for such a time as this"
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
That pure Intention to Know more is like a Spiritual Circuit being completed. Once it is, the true Journey can begin. When you get to the high hill of old age, and hopefully changed perspective, all I can say is, Wow- what a view!! I am a completely different person than I was. Better, stronger, faster... And it didn't take six million bucks, just a pure wish to Know. And gratitude and love. Lots and lots of Love.

so perfectly stated S22 - here's another: once seen - never unseen
 

greenhart

Veteran Member
I believe I am squarely in the forth veil. I am seriously contemplating both the fifth and sixth veil simultaneously as I'm running out of time. I do make an exception in the sixed veil that demons and similar creatures should replace the dragons and lizards. Also I would include some of the gods of the OT are still on earth and are being worshiped by child and/or blood sacrifices.

Within the next 5 to 15 years I will pierce all remaining veils as I step through the gates of Glory.
 

Marie

Veteran Member
"Adding to the irony, the harder a “sixth or better veiler” tries to explain what he is able to see to those who can't, the more insane he appears to them."
RM ever read clan of the cave bears? Two levels of understanding. Many are on a much higher plane. Been struggling with this all my life.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
I'm ok with the lizards part, although I come to it more from the John Lamb Lash arcontic perspective.

Odd to run into this thread at this time - have JUST finished listening to a recent interview with Kerry Cassidy and Robert David Steele. Kerry was painted up like she just stepped off the stage jamming with Kiss (or maybe acting as a zombie extra), and I pretty much think she is off her rocker. I am saying this having watched so much Project Camelot that I only recall one named ref. she made that I wasn't familiar with... Maybe she is a deliberate dis-info agent, or maybe she is being tricked and played long term, or maybe she mostly has it right. As damaged as I sense she is, the interview grew on me, and I ended up listening to it twice.

Poking at yet another veil? Who knows. I do find the OP a bit simplistic and self-satisfied with the 10% progressions. Must be nice to feel so enlightened - I'm just a gal who is curious.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
Within the next 5 to 15 years I will pierce all remaining veils as I step through the gates of Glory.

My sister Denise and I were talking about 6 weeks before she passed. we often spoke concerning these type of things. we had similar beliefs and world views. she was very well read. I made a comment to her something like this . . . "when you get where you're going you'll have all the answers to all the questions we've been asking" to which she answered " YES - but the answers will no longer matter because the questions are no longer relevant"
 

medic38572

TB Fanatic
Friday, May 4, 2007
Slavery and the Eight Veils ~ by Don Harkins


Over the last several years I have evolved and discarded several theories in an attempt to explain why it is that most people cannot see truth - even when it smacks them in the face. Those of us who can see "the conspiracy" have participated in countless conversations amongst ourselves that address the frustration of most peoples' inability to comprehend the extremely well-documented arguments which we use to describe the process of our collective enslavement and exploitation. The most common explanation to be arrived at is that most people just "don't want to see" what is really going on.

Extremely evil men and women who make up the world's power-elite have cleverly cultivated a virtual pasture so grass green that few people seldom, if ever, bother to look up from where they are grazing long enough to notice the brightly colored tags stapled to their ears.

The same people who cannot see their enslavement for the pasture grass have a tendency to view as insane "conspiracy theorists" those of us who can see the past the farm and into the parlor of his feudal lordship's castle.

Finally, I understand why.

It's not that those who don't see that their freedom is vanishing under the leadership of the power-elite "don't want to see it" - they simply can't see what is happening to them because of the unpierced veils that block their view.

All human endeavors are a filtration process. Sports is one of the best examples. We play specific sports until we get kicked off the playground. The pro athletes we pay big bucks to watch just never got kicked off the playground. Where millions of kids play little league each spring, they are filtered out until there are about 50 guys who go to the World Series in October.

Behind the first veil: There are over six billion people on the planet. Most of them live and die without having seriously contemplated anything other than what it takes to keep their lives together. Ninety percent of all humanity will live and die without having pierced the first veil.

The first veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the first veil and find the world of politics. We will vote, be active and have an opinion. Our opinions are shaped by the physical world around us; we have a tendency to accept that government officials, network media personalities and other "experts" are voices of authority. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the second veil.


The second veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the second veil to explore the world of history, the relationship between man and government and the meaning of self-government through constitutional and common law. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the third veil.

The third veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the third veil to find that the resources of the world, including people, are controlled by extremely wealthy and powerful families whose incorporated old world assets have, with modern extortion strategies, become the foundation upon which the world's economy is currently indebted. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fourth veil.

The fourth veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the fourth veil to discover the Illuminati, Freemasonry and the other secret societies. These societies use symbols and perform ceremonies that perpetuate the generational transfers of arcane knowledge that is used to keep the ordinary people in political, economic and spiritual bondage to the oldest bloodlines on earth. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fifth veil.

The fifth veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the fifth veil to learn that the secret societies are so far advanced technologically that time travel and interstellar communications have no boundaries and controlling the actions of people is what their members do as offhandedly as we tell our children when they must go to bed. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the sixth veil.

The sixth veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the sixth veil where the dragons and lizards and aliens we thought were the fictional monsters of childhood literature are real and are the controlling forces behind the secret societies. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without piercing the seventh veil.

The seventh veil: I do not know what is behind the seventh veil. I think it is where your soul is evolved to the point you can exist on earth and be the man Gandhi was, or the woman Peace Pilgrim was - people so enlightened they brighten the world around them no matter what.

The eighth veil? Piercing the eighth veil probably reveals God and the pure energy that is the life force in all living things - which are, I think, one and the same.

If my math is accurate there are only about 60,000 people on the planet who have pierced the sixth veil. The irony here is too incredible: Those who are stuck behind veils one through five have little choice but to view the people who have pierced the veils beyond them as insane. With each veil pierced, exponentially shrinking numbers of increasingly enlightened people are deemed insane by exponentially increasing masses of decreasingly enlightened people.

Adding to the irony, the harder a "sixth or better veiler" tries to explain what he is able to see to those who can't, the more insane he appears to them.

Our enemy, the state

Behind the first two veils we find the great majority of people on the planet. They are tools of the state: Second veilers are the gullible voters whose ignorance justify the actions of politicians who send first veilers off to die in foreign lands as cannon fodder -- their combined stations in life are to believe that the self-serving machinations of the power-elite are matters of national security worth dying for.

Third, fourth, fifth and sixth veilers are of increasing liability to the state because of their decreasing ability to be used as tools to consolidate power and wealth of the many into the hands of the power-elite. It is common for these people to sacrifice more of their relationships with friends and family, their professional careers and personal freedom with each veil they pierce.

Albert Jay Nock (1870-1945), author of Our Enemy, the State (1935), explained what happens to those who find the seventh and eighth veils: "What was the best that the state could find to do with an actual Socrates and an actual Jesus when it had them? Merely to poison one and crucify the other, for no reason but that they were too intolerably embarrassing to be allowed to live any longer."

Conclusions

And so now we know that it's not that our countrymen are so committed to their lives that, "they don't want to see," the mechanisms of their enslavement and exploitation. They simply "can't see" it as surely as I cannot see what's on the other side of a closed curtain.

The purpose of this essay is threefold:

1. To help the handful of people in the latter veils to understand why the masses have little choice but to interpret their clarity as insanity;

2. To help people behind the first two veils understand that living, breathing and thinking are just the beginning and;

3. Show people that the greatest adventure of our life is behind the next veil because that is just one less veil between ourselves and God.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
I'm ok with the lizards part, although I come to it more from the John Lamb Lash arcontic perspective.

Odd to run into this thread at this time - have JUST finished listening to a recent interview with Kerry Cassidy and Robert David Steele. Kerry was painted up like she just stepped off the stage jamming with Kiss (or maybe acting as a zombie extra), and I pretty much think she is off her rocker. I am saying this having watched so much Project Camelot that I only recall one named ref. she made that I wasn't familiar with... Maybe she is a deliberate dis-info agent, or maybe she is being tricked and played long term, or maybe she mostly has it right. As damaged as I sense she is, the interview grew on me, and I ended up listening to it twice.

Poking at yet another veil? Who knows. I do find the OP a bit simplistic and self-satisfied with the 10% progressions. Must be nice to feel so enlightened - I'm just a gal who is curious.

earlier on I listened to a lot of Kerry Cassidy from as far back as when she was with the australian dude I forget his name - maybe Bill somebody? then I too began to feel she might be controlled disinfo and gradually drifted away.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
interesting discussions . . . I can smell some wood smouldering - sumbuddy been thinkin' a bit.

and speaking of Kerry Cassidy and Bill . . .

here's another bone to chew on - recognize the name Stan Deyo? the guy who among many other things was accurately predicting earth quakes - both location and magnitude - using ocean surface temperatures until the US Navy took that info out of the public domain? pretty sharp dude. look into his work on the Tower of Babel - here's some help finding your way there: stan deyo the tower of babel - Google Search

remember that TRUTH can be found everywhere you look - but - everything you see when you're looking is not TRUTH
 
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homecanner1

Veteran Member
I remember that with the real time monitoring of the ocean buoy temps, lol. They nail everyone down who has any real insight. Dutchsinse has been catching the microwave pulses on the weather radar loops. SSDD.

There is a great weight that comes with knowing, you have to reconcile first why the heavy concealment for generations that deceives the mundane. Why only the esoterics or the adepts had access to secret knowledge? That part still bothers me as it seems greed driven to protect an inner circle and intergenerational wealth. After awhile you get better at dismantling and truths simply leap out at you, no longer able to hide, lol. And you do reach a point like Rag's sister, the questions no longer matter. Part of the game of concealing the truth is to get everyone tied up in DECADES of woo, like who killed Kennedy.

set them free, liberate the captives and let mankind ascend where he belongs with abundance and advanced high tech.
 

dberszerker

Veteran Member
I really enjoyed reading this post. One comment on my level of veil ripping adventures is that, I am blessed by our creator. Only one of these levels of understanding matters to me, I have simply lost interest in the others. Once you seek to know YaHuWaH true reality comes into focus, and a fire begins to burn from within, drowning out all other seemingly important discoveries. The 613 are based on the 10 , that hang upon the 2, that are selflessly given to us by the 1.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Here is a test to see which veil you have pierced.

You have a Home Depot Credit card. You buy a refrigerator on that card for $2000. You get 6 months no interest.

How long will it take to pay off the credit card if you make only the minimum monthly payment?

How much will you pay in interest during that time?

Assuming you can determine the correct answers, what qualification makes using the credit card a beneficial idea?
 
Interesting. Think I'll stick with the path I'm on and avoid all those messy veils in the middle. Straight to the source and even with a "D" in Algebra.
 

Walrus Whisperer

Hope in chains...
I remember that with the real time monitoring of the ocean buoy temps, lol. They nail everyone down who has any real insight. Dutchsinse has been catching the microwave pulses on the weather radar loops. SSDD.

There is a great weight that comes with knowing, you have to reconcile first why the heavy concealment for generations that deceives the mundane. Why only the esoterics or the adepts had access to secret knowledge? That part still bothers me as it seems greed driven to protect an inner circle and intergenerational wealth. After awhile you get better at dismantling and truths simply leap out at you, no longer able to hide, lol. And you do reach a point like Rag's sister, the questions no longer matter. Part of the game of concealing the truth is to get everyone tied up in DECADES of woo, like who killed Kennedy.

set them free, liberate the captives and let mankind ascend where he belongs with abundance and advanced high tech.
They don't want us free, or attaining understanding, shut up, sit down and eat your damn gruel.
I find knowing IS freedom, as long as you don't make it obvious to others. Unfortunately, your own family can be your downfall because you are considered weird.

Having a natural innocent poker face helps.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Here is a test to see which veil you have pierced.

You have a Home Depot Credit card. You buy a refrigerator on that card for $2000. You get 6 months no interest.

How long will it take to pay off the credit card if you make only the minimum monthly payment?

How much will you pay in interest during that time?

Assuming you can determine the correct answers, what qualification makes using the credit card a beneficial idea?
Times up.
BTW, what qualification makes using a credit card beneficial?
It is unsecured debt and if you die before it gets paid they lose

As to how long will it take to pay if you make minimum payments?
Forever.
 

wvstuck

Only worry about what you can control!
Just remember, the truth can get lost in information. The more time you spend listening to the talking heads the more information you take in, the more information you take in, the further from the truth you may wander.
 

West

Senior
IDK about a lot of stuff. But what I do know about, it was earned and learned the hard way.

Especially learned about really evil people. Their souls must be owned by the lizards cause their not human.

Also, have known for over 20years that our system is a slave system.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Why only the esoterics or the adepts had access to secret knowledge?

Because knowledge is power. Always has been, since the first time the sun got swallowed up and sacrifices were necessary to get it back, according to the sachem.
 

Ku Commando

Inactive
geometric reduction of individuals who will progress further.

Exactly, what does “geometric reduction” mean? It means a reduction of 10 to the 10’Th power at each level pierced. It means that at every level pierced only10% of the previous 10% will proceed further.


Raggedyman.....I love to death....all your postings and your "slant"......and I hate bein' nitpicky, BUT.....

it's EXPONENTIAL, man

.....& I've made this very same faux pas in my past

.....it just seems like geometric is so right.....y'know, feelings man LOL
 
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