Sheeple Advised To Prep For 10 Days - GMA
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Im always surprised at the number of Pollyannas on a prepper board. Just because it hasnt happened yet, we are all fools to worry about it yada,yada,yada. Folks in my long life Ive found really big things take a long time to develop then the sheeple arent prepared !! Could give a dozen examples like several real estate collapses, etc--you get the idea. We are here to support each other when most only see blue skies. Mother nature isnt in a hurry in her assault on mankind--the Black Plague raged off and on for over a hundred years ! Dont come whining for my tamiflu you will get buckshot instead.....sorry, rant off.
CelticRose
Membership Revoked
Sort of a slight detour from the actual topic but...........
Just as was mentioned / discussed on another thread recently; nurses and other medical personel, might be 'conscripted'; in the case of a pandemic.......... If TPTB did that; why stop there?
Why might they not also do the same with those who run power plants? Water treatment facilities..... Prisons..... You name it..... Anything that is vital / critical to keeping society more or less 'together'?
Perhaps telling those working in such areas to prep for themselves for a few days, at their job?.........Or perhaps having employers 'prep' for their employees .... without their direct knowledge? So if push came to shove; they could lock de gates (as it were) and keep a hopefuly healthy, skilled workforce, on the work site?
OK......... That's all...... I'm still working at less than full power from the darned flu
Just as was mentioned / discussed on another thread recently; nurses and other medical personel, might be 'conscripted'; in the case of a pandemic.......... If TPTB did that; why stop there?
Why might they not also do the same with those who run power plants? Water treatment facilities..... Prisons..... You name it..... Anything that is vital / critical to keeping society more or less 'together'?
Perhaps telling those working in such areas to prep for themselves for a few days, at their job?.........Or perhaps having employers 'prep' for their employees .... without their direct knowledge? So if push came to shove; they could lock de gates (as it were) and keep a hopefuly healthy, skilled workforce, on the work site?
OK......... That's all...... I'm still working at less than full power from the darned flu
I'm surprised by the amount of surprise on here that they are saying to stock up for 10 days. IIrc, that doctor Osterwhatever (can't remember his name) who is always being quoted on bird flu said on Oprah that people needed to be stocked up for at least 6 weeks.
edited to say that I don't think I said that very clearly, but was just trying to make the point that there have been people saying on national tv to stock up for 6 weeks.
edited to say that I don't think I said that very clearly, but was just trying to make the point that there have been people saying on national tv to stock up for 6 weeks.
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CheaperByTheDozen
Member
Are the sheeple listening?
Hell no!
My husband and I talked to our family members and friends.
Only ONE person out of approximately 30 said that they were preparing!!!
Those are some poor, poor statistics.
Unfortunately, I think this is the same across the board.
My ONE friend who IS stocking up said that out of the dozen folks she asked....NONE of them were doing anything.
They were going to take a "wait and see" position on the whole thing!
Wait and see what? Wait and see how long the lines are going to be at Wallyworld once something hits (and who knows..it might not be bird flu..it could be some other event..so many things to choose from! argh!).
Oy..what does it take to WAKE PEOPLE UP???????????????
Hell no!My husband and I talked to our family members and friends.
Only ONE person out of approximately 30 said that they were preparing!!!
Those are some poor, poor statistics.
Unfortunately, I think this is the same across the board.
My ONE friend who IS stocking up said that out of the dozen folks she asked....NONE of them were doing anything.
They were going to take a "wait and see" position on the whole thing!
Wait and see what? Wait and see how long the lines are going to be at Wallyworld once something hits (and who knows..it might not be bird flu..it could be some other event..so many things to choose from! argh!).
Oy..what does it take to WAKE PEOPLE UP???????????????
I live in the country. I'm starting to can chicken and hamburger...trying to plan for no electricity. In the country, a storm can bring a tree down, and electricity can be out. Usually it's for a few hours...worse case, a few days. But what if the crews are decimated? What if only 2 men are working instead of 20?
That's when I could see electricity being down for weeks.
6 months of frozen food will mean nothing if the electricity is down. 6 months of canned food IS 6 months of food.
That's when I could see electricity being down for weeks.
6 months of frozen food will mean nothing if the electricity is down. 6 months of canned food IS 6 months of food.
Just a Nurse 2
Senior Member
I called my sister (about 1 1/2 hrs drive away) tonight, and we had a nice chat... about water storage barrels (she had a source previously, but needs to check out current supply), and since we're up here in Canada, she hadn't heard about the program aired in the US, advising people to stock up of "tuna & powdered milk" so I updated her on that.
Will she prep? I don't know ... I HOPE so, but then again, I'm just the "different" one in our family.... time will tell. Told her I had picked up 25 lbs of chicken legs today, and was in the process of preparing them for canning (hot pack) .. she has no equipment for canning.
*sigh* I try to get the knowledge out, but ......................
Suz
Will she prep? I don't know ... I HOPE so, but then again, I'm just the "different" one in our family.... time will tell. Told her I had picked up 25 lbs of chicken legs today, and was in the process of preparing them for canning (hot pack) .. she has no equipment for canning.
*sigh* I try to get the knowledge out, but ......................
Suz
Lurking LRRP
Contributing Member
I am afraid the gov't is starting to pucker.......something is up. HHS tells us bird flu, stock up on powdered milk, yeah, you need more mucus when you are coughing and your lungs are filling up with fluid. HHS should be the ones who know better. Oh well, 10 days is a good start. Too bad nobody will stock up on squat and wait for the gov't to help them like it did during Katrina, hahahahaha
This country no longer has any personal responsiblity or idea where the food comes from. But my guess is they will soon, when it comes from nowhere.
I myself would not mind a thinning of the herd but, no way to determine who will be thinned out.
Lruking LRRP
This country no longer has any personal responsiblity or idea where the food comes from. But my guess is they will soon, when it comes from nowhere.
I myself would not mind a thinning of the herd but, no way to determine who will be thinned out.
Lruking LRRP
Just wanted to thank everyone for discussing this. It prompted me to email my (computer-literate) family members in the hopes that they might actually do something. Some of them live in the hurricane zone and up until last year used to poo-poo me about getting prepared. They are starting to realize that I'm not completely full of crappola.
Hope some of you don't mind - but I "cut and pasted" some responses from this thread- without attribution of course!
Hope some of you don't mind - but I "cut and pasted" some responses from this thread- without attribution of course!
marsh
On TB every waking moment
My Public Health officer said once the flu mutates to the point it is easily transmittable, the pandemic will run for about 18 months, but it will be in waves. After the first wave, they hope to have a vaccine. He said to count on about 25% of the workforce to have it at one time or be out because of quarantine and child care. That does not account for those who will just stay home.
We are trying to figure out how we will supply essential services. Wuill we just house the essential workforce on site and provide some sort of support for their families? The health care workers, in particular, may not wish to bring their exposure home to their families.
We are trying to figure out how we will supply essential services. Wuill we just house the essential workforce on site and provide some sort of support for their families? The health care workers, in particular, may not wish to bring their exposure home to their families.
We've tried to get our families and friends to prep for a long time, but we still are tainted by the non-event of Y2K. So, on they go with their noses in the air thinking nothing will EVER happen that would cause them problems, or if it does, the government will take care of it......
We've given up, frankly. They have the resources to do this, and are otherwise very smart logical people. It's too bad.......
The amount of water they are saying for people to have "just in case" is WAY too little. What about bathing? No shower for 10 days?
Also, IIRC, the amount of food in the pipeline for stores is only 3 days, not 14. And the borders between states can be shut down by Executive Order or Martial Law.
So the produce coming from California or Mexico will not be going anywhere.
If "they" say prep for 10 days, better prep for 10 months!
Edited to add: The Headline on the Rocky Mountain News this morning was 'Bird Flu: Not Ready'
We've given up, frankly. They have the resources to do this, and are otherwise very smart logical people. It's too bad.......
The amount of water they are saying for people to have "just in case" is WAY too little. What about bathing? No shower for 10 days?
Also, IIRC, the amount of food in the pipeline for stores is only 3 days, not 14. And the borders between states can be shut down by Executive Order or Martial Law.
So the produce coming from California or Mexico will not be going anywhere.
If "they" say prep for 10 days, better prep for 10 months!
Edited to add: The Headline on the Rocky Mountain News this morning was 'Bird Flu: Not Ready'
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Cross-linking to related thread on the infectious diseases forum: http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1780449#post1780449
Sassy
Sassy
Prep for ten days. My Family of 5 and three dogs could go 10 days just with the normal stuff laying around. You need 6 months minimum.. I think this flu has them worried.. In the article they said you would have 10 days of food in a couple of months of a little here and a little there. So its not immanent.
Just remember viruses have killed more people than just about anything... I know, I know its not as glamorous as a comet with a poison tail , but the odds are better for a virus to kill you.
Just remember viruses have killed more people than just about anything... I know, I know its not as glamorous as a comet with a poison tail , but the odds are better for a virus to kill you.
Walrus Whisperer
Hope in chains...
tsk said:
"IMO, the gooberment is trying to create a PANIC by saying this stuff. IF they think things like that need to be stored, HAVE FEMA DO IT!!! STOCKPILE MEDS, FOOD, WATER, etc for those areas that may be hit by the bird flu. WHY HAVE EVERYBODY STOCKPILE??? THAT ONLY CREATES PANIC BUYING AND SHORTAGES!!!
BWAHHAAAAHHHHHAAAAAA!
The goobs SHOWED us what will happen when FEMA is in charge.
"IMO, the gooberment is trying to create a PANIC by saying this stuff. IF they think things like that need to be stored, HAVE FEMA DO IT!!! STOCKPILE MEDS, FOOD, WATER, etc for those areas that may be hit by the bird flu. WHY HAVE EVERYBODY STOCKPILE??? THAT ONLY CREATES PANIC BUYING AND SHORTAGES!!!
BWAHHAAAAHHHHHAAAAAA!
The goobs SHOWED us what will happen when FEMA is in charge.
Walrus Whisperer
Hope in chains...
Could someone please tell me what the heck is Barry? 
Wow have you all gotten yourselves riled up!
The 75% core of emergency preps is the same for quakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, terrorist attacks, bird fllu. The last 25% or so varies for the specific threat.
I've said for years if you prep for your local disaster/emergency/weather threat your 75% done, so get on it.
P.S. he said under the bed cause that's where the cowering sheeple will be
The 75% core of emergency preps is the same for quakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, terrorist attacks, bird fllu. The last 25% or so varies for the specific threat.
I've said for years if you prep for your local disaster/emergency/weather threat your 75% done, so get on it.
P.S. he said under the bed cause that's where the cowering sheeple will be
Walrus Whisperer
Hope in chains...
Thanks. My mothers mother died in that epidemic-left my mother without a mother at age 1.
Thanks, Nuthatch - i didn't know who Barry was either!
I thought "under the bed" because all scary stuff is always under the bed (or in the closet) . . . So, if you're afraid of bird flu, or other monsters, you'll stick your tuna and milk under the bed as a protective measure to keep them away!
Anyway, sure hope the sheeple know to wrap those boxes in something or they'll have a houseful of bugs! - and their preps'll be no good.
I thought "under the bed" because all scary stuff is always under the bed (or in the closet) . . . So, if you're afraid of bird flu, or other monsters, you'll stick your tuna and milk under the bed as a protective measure to keep them away!
Anyway, sure hope the sheeple know to wrap those boxes in something or they'll have a houseful of bugs! - and their preps'll be no good.
AnniePutin
Veteran Member
bleep2u2 said:Im always surprised at the number of Pollyannas on a prepper board. Just because it hasnt happened yet, we are all fools to worry about it yada,yada,yada. Folks in my long life Ive found really big things take a long time to develop then the sheeple arent prepared !! Could give a dozen examples like several real estate collapses, etc--you get the idea. We are here to support each other when most only see blue skies. Mother nature isnt in a hurry in her assault on mankind--the Black Plague raged off and on for over a hundred years ! Dont come whining for my tamiflu you will get buckshot instead.....sorry, rant off.
Bleep2u2, you don't have much to say, but when you speak, it's worth making note of.
Six months ago, the hope was that H5N1 might fizzle out and not go H-H. The virus has continued to mutate during those six months, and now it is seen as something that WILL happen, that WILL come to the US and Canada. As the situation stands now, no one is sure of exactly how bad it will be.
People laugh at tuna fish under the bed - damn it, the man did not mean it literally - he meant that you should have easy access to easy to eat foods! It seems no one has enough sense to know what to do, so they plan to sit around and wait for the government to do it, and criticize the government when it doesn't get done.
Well, guess what - the government is about as powerless as the rest of us at this point in time. There is no vaccine. When there is a vaccine about six months after the pandemic strain appears, there will gradually be enough vaccine for, first, the government, and the military. Then there may be some left for health care workers and essential service workers. There "might" be enough vaccine for as many as 25 percent of the population, depending on how much of the population has been decimated by that point. It could be years before many of us have any opportunity for a vaccine at all. The government will ensure its own continuity first, and then will ensure the control it exerts throughout the world is maintained. Everything else will rank far behind that.
We are prepped for between 6-9 months. I do not think it is enough. I do think self-quarantine is going to be the best way to survive - to survive, do not become ill. And that doesn't mean just do not catch H5N1 - don't get sick with cancer or heart disease, either, because there will not be medical care available. No chemo, no surgery, no meds. The entire health care system will be in a state of near total collapse.
But those of you who want to believe in the tooth fairy and happily-ever-after just go right ahead and turn a blind eye and a deaf ear - Darwin may be dead, but evolution marches on. Those who fail to believe, and fail to act, may find that life in the shallow end of the gene pool is relatively short, and definitely unpleasant.
People laugh at tuna fish under the bed - damn it, the man did not mean it literally - he meant that you should have easy access to easy to eat foods! It seems no one has enough sense to know what to do, so they plan to sit around and wait for the government to do it, and criticize the government when it doesn't get done.
Well, guess what - the government is about as powerless as the rest of us at this point in time. There is no vaccine. When there is a vaccine about six months after the pandemic strain appears, there will gradually be enough vaccine for, first, the government, and the military. Then there may be some left for health care workers and essential service workers. There "might" be enough vaccine for as many as 25 percent of the population, depending on how much of the population has been decimated by that point. It could be years before many of us have any opportunity for a vaccine at all. The government will ensure its own continuity first, and then will ensure the control it exerts throughout the world is maintained. Everything else will rank far behind that.
We are prepped for between 6-9 months. I do not think it is enough. I do think self-quarantine is going to be the best way to survive - to survive, do not become ill. And that doesn't mean just do not catch H5N1 - don't get sick with cancer or heart disease, either, because there will not be medical care available. No chemo, no surgery, no meds. The entire health care system will be in a state of near total collapse.
But those of you who want to believe in the tooth fairy and happily-ever-after just go right ahead and turn a blind eye and a deaf ear - Darwin may be dead, but evolution marches on. Those who fail to believe, and fail to act, may find that life in the shallow end of the gene pool is relatively short, and definitely unpleasant.
OK, so I have two "must reads" with respect to h5n1. The other is Peter Sandman's excellent essay:
http://www.psandman.com/col/panflu3.htm
In particular, Section 5 where he states: "If the next pandemic is a mild one, the medical response will be almost the only response needed. But medical preparedness for a severe pandemic isn’t feasible right now, though it might be some day. Non-medical preparedness, on the other hand, is feasible today. There’s a significant chance it may turn out essential tomorrow."
There is absolutely nothing that I have done to prepare that will go to waste if it is only a mild pandemic, or even if a pandemic never materializes.
For the time being, we're on our own.
http://www.psandman.com/col/panflu3.htm
In particular, Section 5 where he states: "If the next pandemic is a mild one, the medical response will be almost the only response needed. But medical preparedness for a severe pandemic isn’t feasible right now, though it might be some day. Non-medical preparedness, on the other hand, is feasible today. There’s a significant chance it may turn out essential tomorrow."
There is absolutely nothing that I have done to prepare that will go to waste if it is only a mild pandemic, or even if a pandemic never materializes.
For the time being, we're on our own.
Lurking LRRP said:I myself would not mind a thinning of the herd but, no way to determine who will be thinned out.
Lruking LRRP
I am only speaking here about people who die because they refused to help themselves, not those who are unable....
As for the thinning, there is a starting point - the ones most likely to die off are the ones least able to plan ahead and get ready to take care of themselves. I am noticing a lot of folks who could have preps, even little by little, week by week, but they don't want to do it. DO NOT WANT TO.....
That is where the herd will thin first, and probably by the end of any horrific ordeal, that is where most of the dead will lie. Absolutely a pandemic will try to be an equal opportunity killer, but in any given situation, those with their eyes on the horizon, who are flexible, who plan to hunker, who think about their options should hunkering not be a choice, etc, will be much more likely to be in the 50% surviving.
We ought to be a bit smarter about this sort of thing by now, but reading this thread, many apparently are not. Flu pandemics are cruel, random events and mass deaths are frightening. But honestly, if there is something a person CAN do to make themselves/their families less of a target, and they REFUSE to, then if they die, the herd probably thinned in the right spot.
I have noticed that people are turning into soft, victim-like, responsibility shirking whiners - in a pandemic, people with these traits won't be passing them on to the next generation.