POL Secede From the Union

Doomer Doug

Doomer Doug

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I think after perusing the plans our soon to be new masters, ie bidey poo, Harris, Piglosi, and all the rest, are going to impose on us, well the act of secession from the union is looking pretty damn good. I mean it is clear they hate our guts, think we are racists, bigots, psychos etc etc etc. They have in effect declared unrestricted warfare on us deplorables.

Granted, Trump turned out to be a dud in the end, but this is beyond him now. It is about whether we will meekly let ourselves be murdered by these people or whether we will chart our new independent destiny, one that no longer includes the vile trash now our fellow citizens. I would base it on a Federated County model, on a state by state model.

We will have to do something, or they will simply do all the stuff they have been saying they will do to us, ranging from simple murder, to raping our children or worse.

Any thoughts, especially from people in Texas and the south, Hell, Doomer Doug might even move to Texas if I didn't have to shoot my way in. :vik:

Anyway, now that the shock of Trump's betrayal has worn off, I'm looking for alternatives, secession for sure. Secession is better than Civil War Two, although given their hatred of us, I don't think Civil War Two can be avoided.
 
Blacknarwhal

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Especially loutish this evening, Doomer Doug.

Trump was not a "dud". Four years of tax cuts, economic improvement, reduced regulations and more say otherwise.

He also did not "betray" us. At worst, the swamp got him. At best, well, there's still a week to go. But he most certainly did NOT work against us at any point.
 
TKO

TKO

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Blacknarwhal said:
Especially loutish this evening, Doomer Doug.

Trump was not a "dud". Four years of tax cuts, economic improvement, reduced regulations and more say otherwise.

He also did not "betray" us. At worst, the swamp got him. At best, well, there's still a week to go. But he most certainly did NOT work against us at any point.
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ABSOLUTELY! Trump was the cheerleader for Team America. No one else was out there doing it. He had absolutely no help. The voters/supporters for Trump energized him. It was a great thing. For 4 years he had nothing but hate against him for trying to make America great again. Trump gets an A+ for his efforts. The Swamp never helped him one bit as all they want are their payoffs. This kind goes to Hell in the end. They would sell their own mothers for a dime. Trump is not a saint...and never claimed to be. He's still the #1 president on my list...as good as we'll ever see in politics. Also, not a career politician like the rest of this trash out there. Soon, others will see how good of a president he was.
 
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mecoastie

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Remember that if you choose to secede you stand a very good chance to lose everything. If you are on any sort of govt pension, welfare, disability, Medicaid, SS, govt employee etc, that income and benefits are going to be gone. Probably most if not all retirement assets will be gone. Are you willing to give all that up? It is easy to say YES but how are you going to make a living in this new country? Generate income to find housing, food, medical care etc. Are you willing to truly live without some of those items? Start over at 40, 50, 60, 70 plus years old? What skills do you bring to the table for this new country? Are you physically able to support yourself? Why would this new country accept you?
 
TKO

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mecoastie said:
Remember that if you choose to secede you stand a very good chance to lose everything. If you are on any sort of govt pension, welfare, disability, Medicaid, SS, govt employee etc, that income and benefits are going to be gone. Probably most if not all retirement assets will be gone. Are you willing to give all that up? It is easy to say YES but how are you going to make a living in this new country? Generate income to find housing, food, medical care etc. Are you willing to truly live without some of those items? Start over at 40, 50, 60, 70 plus years old? What skills do you bring to the table for this new country? Are you physically able to support yourself? Why would this new country accept you?
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All excellent thoughts. I doubt SS will be there for me when I need it anyway, though. Don't you still get SS if you live in a foreign country?
 
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mecoastie

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TKO said:
All excellent thoughts. I doubt SS will be there for me when I need it anyway, though. Don't you still get SS if you live in a foreign country?
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You would be considered a traitor to your country. I would be shocked if the US would pay anything. Particularly a socialist US.
 
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flying screwdriver

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TKO said:
......Soon, others will see how good of a president he was.
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Leftist youth are giddy with the US political unification with mainland China. That glow will fade.

In less than 10 years youth will be protesting, an Umbrella Movement for America.
U.S. Nationalists will flee to the newly-seceded ‘real America’ union of states led by TX, but long for their homeland states.

Watching too much NHK this AM discussing Taiwan and Hong Kong.
Which brings to mind why do they tell this story this morning? They are nervous. Their biggest ally just came under Chinese control.
 
Blacknarwhal

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
flying screwdriver said:
Leftist youth are giddy with the US political unification with mainland China. That glow will fade.

In less than 10 years youth will be protesting, an Umbrella Movement for America.
U.S. Nationalists will flee to the newly-seceded ‘real America’ union of states led by TX, but long for their homeland states.

Watching too much NHK this AM discussing Taiwan and Hong Kong.
Which brings to mind why do they tell this story this morning? They are nervous. Their biggest ally just came under Chinese control.
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I personally hope that, when Indiana breaks away, it will take the lowest line of Michigan counties with it. The ones they already call "Michiana."
 
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fish hook

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Doomer Doug said:
I think after perusing the plans our soon to be new masters, ie bidey poo, Harris, Piglosi, and all the rest, are going to impose on us, well the act of secession from the union is looking pretty damn good. I mean it is clear they hate our guts, think we are racists, bigots, psychos etc etc etc. They have in effect declared unrestricted warfare on us deplorables.

Granted, Trump turned out to be a dud in the end, but this is beyond him now. It is about whether we will meekly let ourselves be murdered by these people or whether we will chart our new independent destiny, one that no longer includes the vile trash now our fellow citizens. I would base it on a Federated County model, on a state by state model.

We will have to do something, or they will simply do all the stuff they have been saying they will do to us, ranging from simple murder, to raping our children or worse.

Any thoughts, especially from people in Texas and the south, Hell, Doomer Doug might even move to Texas if I didn't have to shoot my way in. :vik:

Anyway, now that the shock of Trump's betrayal has worn off, I'm looking for alternatives, secession for sure. Secession is better than Civil War Two, although given their hatred of us, I don't think Civil War Two can be avoided.
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Secession IS civil war. They will never willingly let us go, to live our own lives. Check history About 1861 for reference.They are determined to hold us captive and force us to accept their control.If you dare to have thoughts of your own, you might as well lock and load. Not saying that is a bad idea.
 
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Jerry799

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mecoastie said:
Remember that if you choose to secede you stand a very good chance to lose everything. If you are on any sort of govt pension, welfare, disability, Medicaid, SS, govt employee etc, that income and benefits are going to be gone. Probably most if not all retirement assets will be gone. Are you willing to give all that up? It is easy to say YES but how are you going to make a living in this new country? Generate income to find housing, food, medical care etc. Are you willing to truly live without some of those items? Start over at 40, 50, 60, 70 plus years old? What skills do you bring to the table for this new country? Are you physically able to support yourself? Why would this new country accept you?
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Don't forget that a large number of states pay more to the Feds in taxes than they receive back in payments. With secession a number of states would actually have more than enough to take over paying for their citizens needs that are listed above.
 
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glennb6

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Secession 'sounds' good, but there's no clear dividing line such as the Mississippi river. I cannot fathom how 48 adjacent states would be divided. Then there's the strategic military assets. Who gets certain bases and suppose certain nuclear children needed to be controlled by unity yet TX wants theirs, Cally wants theirs, etc. Screw up the national defense and that's just inviting China or others onto our beaches.

Mecoastie makes an excellent post especially as a large percentage of the population (on both political sides) is on SS, Medicare/aid, disability, et al. While if the govt goes full commie, and I don't see how it won't as things stand now, they might just decide to reduce or eliminate SS etc. Then there are a few smart economic pundents who project in '24-'26 that the Medicare/Medicaid budget will swallow the entire federal budget anyways and I don't think that's economic fear porn.

Then there's the financial world and it's interconnected. Then there's the dollar, which would be worth a nickel overnight, the markets would drop 95%, any trade with other countries would be cash in advance (us paying first). And then the real shit hits, when the mother of all contagion spreads through the rest of the world. You wouldn't want to know what that would become.

Our country is too big, too connected, too complex internally and externally to just say secession is the answer. There may be ways to politically secede, I don't know, an amicable divorce sort of thing or a temporary political separation, maybe.

My hopes are that .mil wipes the slate clean of the criminal political class and takes charge for a few months. After military trials the very few legit politicians that are proven clean and a new crop of non-politician sort are given a clean election, maybe just maybe we can survive and prosper.

If the .mil just plays the observer to politics roll and lets the commies rule, it's good bye America.
 
Millwright

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mecoastie

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Jerry799 said:
Don't forget that a large number of states pay more to the Feds in taxes than they receive back in payments. With secession a number of states would actually have more than enough to take over paying for their citizens needs that are listed above.
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I looked this up earlier this year when we were having another secession discussion. IIRC there were about 10 states that either paid more or broke even. Only 2 were red. Nebraska and Utah.
 
Doomer Doug

Doomer Doug

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When the death squads come next week, it will be death or secession. I see normalcy bias is alive and well. When the GLOBALIST base commander at Fort Hood, gets his orders from the GLOBALIST JCS to crush "domestic terrorists" ie maga hat wearing deplorable Trump supporters, you will finally see what Trump has done to Patriots. Going up against an Apache or tank with an AR-15 are we?
 
ShadowMan

ShadowMan

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By the look of that map above, what we REALLY need to do is wall off the big cities from the rest of the country and then cut off their food and water supplies until THEY surrender. They may have the numbers....but....they don't have the resources. Let them eat their communism and see just how far that particular grocery goes.

A Country boy will SURVIVE.......a city boy, not so much.
 
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mecoastie

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Doomer Doug said:
When the death squads come next week, it will be death or secession. I see normalcy bias is alive and well. When the GLOBALIST base commander at Fort Hood, gets his orders from the GLOBALIST JCS to crush "domestic terrorists" ie maga hat wearing deplorable Trump supporters, you will finally see what Trump has done to Patriots. Going up against an Apache or tank with an AR-15 are we?
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So do you think that if you just secede they aren't going to come after you with an Apache or a tank? or are you saying we are dead either way?
 
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mecoastie

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That old canard again? It seemed to work well enough for the Viet Cong and the Taliban. The tank crew, the Apache pilot, has to get out of the vehicle eventually.
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Neither of those groups would have done much without the massive outside support they received. Weapons, money and supplies. What foreign power is going to supply the US insurgents?
 
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mecoastie

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Millwright said:
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I love this meme. I see an assault rifle, machine gun, machine gun and lastly what I think are police with a machine gun and milkcrates of belted ammo. What this doesn't show you is the IED, mortars, RPGs and the logistical support that went into all those groups to keep them fighting. Their assault rifles were a single component but not the whole deal.
 
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Troke

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mecoastie said:
Neither of those groups would have done much without the massive outside support they received. Weapons, money and supplies. What foreign power is going to supply the US insurgents?
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Well, somebody that has noticed. Other than the 1917 Russian variety, I know of no successful revolution without outside support. And that was over 100 yrs ago
 
Doomer Doug

Doomer Doug

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The Taliban were being slaughterd until we gave them stinger manpads
Any insurgent group needs a place to hide safely, a foreign group to resupply them, and the support of 10% of their population.
 
Mr. Peabody

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fish hook said:
Secession IS civil war. They will never willingly let us go, to live our own lives. Check history About 1861 for reference.They are determined to hold us captive and force us to accept their control.If you dare to have thoughts of your own, you might as well lock and load. Not saying that is a bad idea.
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Secession IS NOT civil war. Civil war by definition is one side trying to overthrow the current government. Secession is a state's peaceful withdraw from the current government with no intent to change it.
In the War of 1812 there were New England states that threatened secession because ...they could, just as SC could in 1860. The left only fears death. They don't fear threats. They don't fear due process. They don't fear a constitution. They certainly don't fear God. They will only be persuaded through alternative means. At this point, they don't fear that will happen either.
 
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