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Ukraine will receive:

- 600 tanks
- 500 artillery systems
- 600 000 shells
- 140 000 anti-tank weapons

Speaking on the final day of the NATO summit, Biden revealed that the U.S.has gathered a coalition of 50+ countries to donate new weapons to Ukraine.
 

OldArcher

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Ukraine will receive:

- 600 tanks
- 500 artillery systems
- 600 000 shells
- 140 000 anti-tank weapons

Speaking on the final day of the NATO summit, Biden revealed that the U.S.has gathered a coalition of 50+ countries to donate new weapons to Ukraine.

By giving Ukraine everything it says it needs, we are laying the foundation of our own destruction. Lyin’ Biden and his treasonous sycophants are guilty of corruption and treason. To bad the “justice system” isn’t desirous or capable of bringing them to justice…

OA
 

raven

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Ukraine will receive:

- 600 tanks
- 500 artillery systems
- 600 000 shells
- 140 000 anti-tank weapons

Speaking on the final day of the NATO summit, Biden revealed that the U.S.has gathered a coalition of 50+ countries to donate new weapons to Ukraine.
50 countries and that is all they could come up with?

12 tanks per country
10 artillery systems per country
12,000 shells per country
280 anti-tank weapons per country
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
Good observation!

The MSM is already hinting at a draft.
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Every branch of the military is struggling to make its 2022 recruiting goals, officials say

With a record low number of Americans eligible to serve, and few of those willing to do it, this "is the year we question the sustainability of the all-volunteer force,” said an expert.

June 27, 2022, 3:30 AM CDT
By Courtney Kube and Molly Boigon

Every branch of the U.S. military is struggling to meet its fiscal year 2022 recruiting goals, say multiple U.S. military and defense officials, and numbers obtained by NBC News show both a record low percentage of young Americans eligible to serve and an even tinier fraction willing to consider it.

The officials said the Pentagon’s top leaders are now scrambling for ways to find new recruits to fill out the ranks of the all-volunteer force. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Deputy Secretary of Defense Kathleen Hicks consider the shortfall a serious issue, said the officials, and have been meeting on it frequently with other leaders.

“This is the start of a long drought for military recruiting,” said Ret. Lt. Gen. Thomas Spoehr of the Heritage Foundation, a think tank. He said the military has not had such a hard time signing recruits since 1973, the year the U.S. left Vietnam and the draft officially ended. Spoehr said he does not believe a revival of the draft is imminent, but “2022 is the year we question the sustainability of the all-volunteer force.”

The pool of those eligible to join the military continues to shrink, with more young men and women than ever disqualified for obesity, drug use or criminal records. Last month, Army Chief of Staff Gen. James McConville testified before Congress that only 23% of Americans ages 17-24 are qualified to serve without a waiver to join, down from 29% in recent years.

An internal Defense Department survey obtained by NBC News found that only 9% of those young Americans eligible to serve in the military had any inclination to do so, the lowest number since 2007.

The survey sheds light on how both Americans’ view of the military and the growing civilian-military divide may also be factors in slumping recruitment, and how public attitudes could cause recruiting struggles for years to come.

More than half of the young Americans who answered the survey — about 57% — think they would have emotional or psychological problems after serving in the military. Nearly half think they would have physical problems.

“They think they’re going to be physically or emotionally broken after serving,” said one senior U.S. military official familiar with the recruiting issues, who believes a lack of familiarity with military service contributes to that perception.

Among Americans surveyed by the Pentagon who were in the target age range for recruiting, only 13% had parents who had served in the military, down from approximately 40% in 1995. The military considers parents one of the biggest influencers for service.

An expert on military personnel policy says that middle class parents, including those who are newly middle class, often encourage their kids to go to college before selecting a career, which hurts recruiting for enlisted personnel. “Changing the mind of parents is the really tough part, particularly if these are parents who worked really hard for their children to go to college,” said Kate Kuzminski from the Center for a New American Security. She noted that recruiting ads increasingly target the parents of potential recruits. “That’s where they’re trying to win the hearts and minds.”

Overall confidence in U.S. government institutions is also decreasing, and that has hit the U.S. military as well. In 2021 the annual Reagan National Defense Survey, conducted by the Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation and Institute, found that just 45% of Americans had a great deal of trust and confidence in the military, down 25 points since 2018.

The trend will most likely continue as the overall military shrinks and familiarity with service keeps dropping, say the officials. In 2021, an Army study found that 75% of Americans ages 16-28 knew little to nothing about the Army.

“This recruiting crisis is like a slow-moving wave coming at us,” said one senior defense official involved in recruiting and personnel issues. “As the military has gotten smaller and the public have gotten less and less familiar with those in uniform, it has grown. And Covid accelerated it.”

A Pentagon spokesperson declined to comment.

This year’s numbers so far

The Army has met about 40% of its enlisted recruiting mission for FY22, with just over three months left in the fiscal year, which ends Sept. 30. The final quarter — the summer — is typically when the services recruit the most candidates following high school graduation.

Space Force will also likely make its goal, according to U.S. military officials, but as the newest branch of the military it only looks to recruit about 500 Guardians this fiscal year.

The U.S. Air Force, on the other hand, has to recruit roughly 100 times as many airmen, about 50,000, but is currently more than 4,000 below where it should be at this point in the fiscal year. While the Air National Guard and Reserve are unlikely to meet their goals, the active duty are taking it week to week, according to a senior U.S. military official. “We are hopeful that the active duty will meet their goal. Hopeful, but not certain,” the official said.

The last time the Air Force missed its goal was fiscal 1999, and the last time before that was 1979.

Navy officials, who have been using the summer movie “Top Gun: Maverick” to try to attract recruits, say they hope to ultimately meet their active-duty and overall strength goals.

The active-duty Marine Corps is likely to make its recruiting goals this year. The Marine in charge of manpower, however, recently told Congress that 2022 is “arguably the most challenging recruiting year since the inception of the all-volunteer force.”

The Coast Guard is lagging behind its active-duty numbers for the year. It has met 80% and 93% of its goals for reserves and officers respectively, but has filled only about 55% of its target of 4,200 active-duty enlistments.

How to fix it

To tackle the growing crisis, the Pentagon is reviewing some of the more than 250 disqualifiers for service, including some medical conditions that have historically required recruits to obtain a waiver for service or kept individuals out of uniform completely, according to multiple defense and U.S. military officials.

For example, in the past ailments like asthma and ADHD could disqualify someone from serving if the recruit had symptoms after their 13th or 14th birthdays. But now the Pentagon is reviewing whether individuals who have been asymptomatic for a shorter period of time could join without a waiver.

The military is also discussing allowing service members to use platforms like TikTok to attract recruits. In 2020, President Donald Trump ordered a ban on the use of the social media platform because the Chinese company that owns it collects biometric information on users.

“We have to be where the recruits are, and TikTok is one of the biggest social media platforms in the world,” one defense official involved in personnel issues said.

The Pentagon is also looking to increase recruitment by targeting more influencers like parents, teachers and coaches, by creating recruiting stations with multiple services in them rather than service specific locations, and even moving recruiting offices to better neighborhoods, according to multiple U.S. military and defense officials.

The Pentagon may also put more effort into recruiting eligible DACA recipients, said officials.

Long-term challenges like declining eligibility and trust in the military are only part of the issue, according to defense and U.S. military officials. More recent challenges like a national labor shortage, inflation and the effects of Covid have also affected recruitment. Two years of Covid has led to canceled air shows, a drastic decrease in in-person recruitment efforts, and more people now wanting to work from home.

Kuzminski agrees that Covid hurt recruiting, but adds that another challenge has been political pressure in some school districts not to let recruiters on campuses. Face-to-face meetings can be a powerful incentive to enlist.

Army Secretary Christine Wormuth recently created a recruiting “tiger” team, which meets every two weeks to discuss ways to tackle recruitment.

“The Army, like other services, is facing the most challenging recruiting market in the last 20 years,” Wormuth told NBC News. “I expect these recruiting market headwinds to persist, so the Army must improve how we recruit in this new market environment. In March 2022, the Army began a comprehensive review and analysis of our accessions enterprise, recruiting policy, organizational structure and marketing practices. Recommendations for this review, coupled with other immediate steps we are taking, will help the Army address recruiting challenges and position the Army recruiting for success in the future.”

The Army is offering flexible 2-year to 6-year contracts, duty stations of choice, a program where enlistees can be stationed with their friends, and a $10,000 quick-ship bonus.

Some of the service branches are offering unprecedented bonuses for signing up or re-enlisting, up to $50,000 for certain specialties in the Army, Air Force and the Navy.

But one U.S. military official said bonuses can only help so much. “We can throw money at the problem all we want, but until we change how young people see us in uniform, we are going to struggle to get them to raise their right hands.”

Every branch of the U.S. military is struggling to meet its 2022 recruiting goals, officials say (nbcnews.com)
I am glad to see that Uncle Sam's Misguided Children aren't looking too bad as far as their goals. Of course they're the ones who most need the crazy-eyed people who like to blow up stuff, make their own doors in houses and kill people.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
Not really surprising. Russia suffered far more casualties then the German side.

The problem for the German side was they were outnumbered from the start . Stalin had an inexhaustible supply of troop replacements.
Someone to whom I was barely listening was talking about that one saying and they weren't sure whether to attribute it to Lenin or Stalin. (Quantity has a quality all its own? Does that sound right?)

Anyway, after looking at how they just threw so many people into that grinder, I almost have to lean towards Stalin making that remark.

You make an really interesting and valid point regarding numbers, though. The Russian brigades have been continually outnumbered by the (original) numbers of the Ukrainian forces but of course those numbers are way different now after things have gone so badly for Ukraine, but also particularly the way the Russians have been continually rotating their units in and out since the beginning. The troops they're now rotating back in are combat-experienced, instead of un-blooded green brigades.

Somehow the "analysts" have completely missed this.
 

Doomer Doug

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We don't have the industrial capacity to replace or even make 600 tanks a year. Xi the merciless is licking his chops at his traitor biden stripping America naked. 400 tanks is one armor division which means we can replace 1.5 divisions per year. Damn, we ain't got a chance of surviving Xi's first invasion wave on California, Oregon, Washington and Vancover bc beaches.
Having biden as traitor in chief helps Xi beyond belief.
 

Housecarl

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We don't have the industrial capacity to replace or even make 600 tanks a year. Xi the merciless is licking his chops at his traitor biden stripping America naked. 400 tanks is one armor division which means we can replace 1.5 divisions per year. Damn, we ain't got a chance of surviving Xi's first invasion wave on California, Oregon, Washington and Vancover bc beaches.
Having biden as traitor in chief helps Xi beyond belief.

We probably have that number in storage in the desert but they'd need to go through a minimum "refreshment" before they were shipped out.

The time to do that really isn't available.
 

Doomer Doug

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We had 250 abrahms we just gave/sold to Poland. We really don't have many in storage after 25 years from clinton in 1994.
Plus clinton shut down the factories that made war material. We had 2 tank turret factories and he physically scrapped one of them. Housecarl, once we burn through the stockpiles, which we have pretty much done by now we have no resupply or new build ability.
All part of the treason plan
 

von Koehler

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Someone to whom I was barely listening was talking about that one saying and they weren't sure whether to attribute it to Lenin or Stalin. (Quantity has a quality all its own? Does that sound right?)

Anyway, after looking at how they just threw so many people into that grinder, I almost have to lean towards Stalin making that remark.

You make an really interesting and valid point regarding numbers, though. The Russian brigades have been continually outnumbered by the (original) numbers of the Ukrainian forces but of course those numbers are way different now after things have gone so badly for Ukraine, but also particularly the way the Russians have been continually rotating their units in and out since the beginning. The troops they're now rotating back in are combat-experienced, instead of un-blooded green brigades.

Somehow the "analysts" have completely missed this.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, there was a short period when Soviet archives were made available to researchers from the West.

What they discovered was astounding. The Soviet losses in personal was far higher then the previous admitted "official" figures.

Comparing them to known German Wehrmacht losses, they came up with an unbelievable 13 to 1 casualty rate. Stalin threw many men to their deaths to try to stop the Germans. Lives meant nothing to him. Germany simply couldn't match this vast manpower pool. They had little in the way of reserves. They tried to outfight the Soviets with better tactics and superior equipment.

The Russians produced over 40,000 T34 tanks. By way of comparison this was way more then the German Wehrmacht output. Only about 500 King Tiger 2 tanks were made.

Interestingly even though outnumbered most of the Soviet tanks were destroyed by war's end. Germany had little in the way of fuel supplies and this continued to worsen as the war went on.

Had Germany and Russia been roughly equal in manpower and resources, it would have been a German victory.
 

vector7

Dot Collector
US director of National Intelligence Avril Haines: "China is helping Russia behind the scenes.

We can definitely conclude that China considers Russia to be its main ally. This is a bad signal for us,"

Looks like US director woke up from slumber just now. Its pretty obvious china and Russia are together, you don't need to be a director of national intelligence to ascertain this
View: https://twitter.com/PharazMajid/status/1542740264275824640?t=fxq6LPMzv--rTD3V6zdMsw&s=19
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
How is
We don't have the industrial capacity to replace or even make 600 tanks a year. Xi the merciless is licking his chops at his traitor biden stripping America naked. 400 tanks is one armor division which means we can replace 1.5 divisions per year. Damn, we ain't got a chance of surviving Xi's first invasion wave on California, Oregon, Washington and Vancover bc beaches.
Having biden as traitor in chief helps Xi beyond belief.
How is China going to conduct this amphibious assault?
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
We had 250 abrahms we just gave/sold to Poland. We really don't have many in storage after 25 years from clinton in 1994.
Plus clinton shut down the factories that made war material. We had 2 tank turret factories and he physically scrapped one of them. Housecarl, once we burn through the stockpiles, which we have pretty much done by now we have no resupply or new build ability.
All part of the treason plan
There are approx 3700 Abrams in storage.
 

CaryC

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Someone to whom I was barely listening was talking about that one saying and they weren't sure whether to attribute it to Lenin or Stalin. (Quantity has a quality all its own? Does that sound right?)
Lenin would be WWI, well I think the Revolution got Russia out of WWI. Stalin would be WWII. Which I think has already been addressed.
 

von Koehler

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My thoughts exactly. Not a prayer that could happen. Logistically nor militarily. That is absurd.

The possible invasion routes are clearly known.

The only feasible landing spots are known.

The Taiwanese are preparing accordingly.

During WWII, the Japanese were in a similar situation as there were only a few likely invasion spots and they concentrated their defense forces accordingly. It would have been a bloodbath for both sides.

Same for an invasion of Taiwan. If the Chinese want to invade Taiwan they could succeed but the costs in life and equipment will be enormous.
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
Your referenced tweets are interesting, what makes me want to throw up, and a reason I have little to do with Twitter are the "More Tweets" Twitter offers shortly after any given topic tweet is posted. Those "More Tweets" are typically leftist crap, as currently Bai Den is promoting codifying Roe v Wade into law and saying how great their new leftist justice is.

Sorry for the off topic remarks, but any referenced tweet on this forum is subject to having the leftist crap immediately follow it. It's like having to take a nasty tasting spoon full of medicine after a good meal, that makes you want to regurgitate that good meal.
 

Doomer Doug

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China has been preparing to invade both Taiwan and CONUS for decades. They have dozens of roll off roll on ships.
What will Taiwan look like after 10,000 missiles hit Taiwan' Guam, and Pearl Harbor?

China now has the list of every gun owner in California. Biden et al are traitors. China will attack from the south. Our troops and war material are everywhere BUT CONUS.
we are already defeated.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
China has been preparing to invade both Taiwan and CONUS for decades. They have dozens of roll off roll on ships.
What will Taiwan look like after 10,000 missiles hit Taiwan' Guam, and Pearl Harbor?

China now has the list of every gun owner in California. Biden et al are traitors. China will attack from the south. Our troops and war material are everywhere BUT CONUS.
we are already defeated.

And there's the problem. The minute they strike Guam, Hawaii, Japan and RoK to isolate Taiwan the nukes come out, perhaps not from the current Triumvirate but the follow on CoG. The escalation curve is logarithmic.
 

DuckandCover

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China has been preparing to invade both Taiwan and CONUS for decades. They have dozens of roll off roll on ships.
What will Taiwan look like after 10,000 missiles hit Taiwan' Guam, and Pearl Harbor?

China now has the list of every gun owner in California. Biden et al are traitors. China will attack from the south. Our troops and war material are everywhere BUT CONUS.
we are already defeated.

Think of how many ships it would take to transport all the equipment and men necessary to even go to battle against the US military. Then imagine trying to get those across the Pacific while dodging subs, aircraft capable of taking out the ships before the ships could even see them as well as various types of missiles from US ships. It would take days to get those ships across the ocean.....plenty of time for the US assets to destroy them. The US has thousands of aircraft capable of preventing those ships from landing. And this doesn't even address the logistical / support needs of such a massive force.
 

SNOWSQUAW

Veteran Member
US director of National Intelligence Avril Haines: "China is helping Russia behind the scenes.

We can definitely conclude that China considers Russia to be its main ally. This is a bad signal for us,"

Looks like US director woke up from slumber just now. Its pretty obvious china and Russia are together, you don't need to be a director of national intelligence to ascertain this
View: https://twitter.com/PharazMajid/status/1542740264275824640?t=fxq6LPMzv--rTD3V6zdMsw&s=19


How did I know this months ago yet teh US Dir of Nat Intel just figured it out? We are doomed
 

CaryC

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Think of how many ships it would take to transport all the equipment and men necessary to even go to battle against the US military. Then imagine trying to get those across the Pacific while dodging subs, aircraft capable of taking out the ships before the ships could even see them as well as various types of missiles from US ships. It would take days to get those ships across the ocean.....plenty of time for the US assets to destroy them. The US has thousands of aircraft capable of preventing those ships from landing. And this doesn't even address the logistical / support needs of such a massive force.
Aaaaand you could put a nuke on them out there and it wouldn't bother anybody, except them of course.

(Bikini Atoll)
 

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Russian Ambassador To EU: Russia Sees Compromise With EU On Kaliningrad Transit Soon - TASS
 

Squid

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Someone to whom I was barely listening was talking about that one saying and they weren't sure whether to attribute it to Lenin or Stalin. (Quantity has a quality all its own? Does that sound right?)

Anyway, after looking at how they just threw so many people into that grinder, I almost have to lean towards Stalin making that remark.

You make an really interesting and valid point regarding numbers, though. The Russian brigades have been continually outnumbered by the (original) numbers of the Ukrainian forces but of course those numbers are way different now after things have gone so badly for Ukraine, but also particularly the way the Russians have been continually rotating their units in and out since the beginning. The troops they're now rotating back in are combat-experienced, instead of un-blooded green brigades.

Somehow the "analysts" have completely missed this.
I guess we see what we want to see.

You make it sound like Russia’s army is all fresh and ready like they came back from 3 weeks in a black sea resort. Russia’s army is 3 tiered, professional combat soldiers, professional paper pusher soldiers, and conscripts.

They have obviously learned things but its still a meat grinder campaign so I can’t feel either side ground pound troops are feeling all fresh and wanting this to continue.

This is just a mess that never should have happened amd now the WEF calling the shots based on blabbering from Englands general wants full on Russia versus Nato war that would fulfill Doug’s dream of going nuclear.

Oh that would be so much fun.
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
China has been preparing to invade both Taiwan and CONUS for decades. They have dozens of roll off roll on ships.
What will Taiwan look like after 10,000 missiles hit Taiwan' Guam, and Pearl Harbor?

China now has the list of every gun owner in California. Biden et al are traitors. China will attack from the south. Our troops and war material are everywhere BUT CONUS.
we are already defeated.

Taiwan yes.

CONUS no. They dont have the naval or fleet capability. Those Ropax are ferries. Large ferries but ferries. Large ROROs and container ships are slow moving targets. They then need actual port facilities to offload. They arent like an LST that can hit the beach. Those ships would have to be extensively modified to carry the number of troops required. Those are not easy or cheap. You cant stuff 20 soldiers in a container for weeks and expect them to come out fighting fit. They then would have to cross the Pacific being exposed for several weeks with little to no air cover or naval protection. Then they hit the beaches of CA, WA, OR and Canada with little naval support and no air cover? You are talking hundreds of thousands of troops all at once. Look at what it took to accomplish the landings at Normandy. That build up took years and the logistics involved were incredible. Those ships were going what 100 miles. They could run back and forth making several trips a day. THe air power that provided air cover was incredible.
 
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