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Housecarl

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Russian diplomat leaves open Cuba, Venezuela army deployment
A senior Russian diplomat says that a Russian military deployment to Cuba and Venezuela can’t be excluded if tensions with the United States mount

By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV and EMILY SCHULTHEIS Associated Press
13 January 2022, 08:22

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MOSCOW -- Russia on Thursday sharply raised the stakes in a showdown with the West over Ukraine, with a top diplomat saying he wouldn't exclude a Russian military deployment to Cuba and Venezuela if tensions with the United States mount.

Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov, who led the Russian delegation in Monday’s talks with the United States in Geneva, said in televised remarks that he would neither confirm nor exclude the possibility that Russia could send military assets to Cuba and Venezuela.

The negotiations in Geneva and Wednesday’s NATO-Russia meeting in Vienna failed to narrow the gap on Moscow’s security demands amid a buildup of Russian troops near Ukraine. While Moscow demanded a halt to NATO expansion, Washington and its allies firmly rejected them as a nonstarter.

Speaking in an interview with Russian RTVI TV broadcast, Ryabkov noted that “it all depends on the action by our U.S. counterparts,” adding that President Vladimir Putin has warned that Russia could take military-technical measures if the U.S. provokes Moscow and turns up military pressure on it.

Ryabkov said a refusal by the U.S. and its allies to consider the key Russian demand for guarantees against the alliance’s expansion to Ukraine and other ex-Soviet nations raises doubts about continuing the talks.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov noted “some positive elements and nuances” during the talks, but described them as “unscuccessful” because of stark disagreements on Russia’s key demands.

“The talks were initiated to receive specific answers to concrete principal issues that were raised, and disagreements remained on those principal issues, which is bad,” he said in a conference call with reporters.

Peskov warned of a complete rupture U.S.-Russian relations if proposed sanctions targeting Russian President Vladimir Putin and other top civilian and military leaders are adopted. The measures, proposed by Senate Democrats, would also target leading leading Russian financial institutions if Moscow sends troops into Ukraine.

Peskov criticized the proposals as an attempt to up the pressure on Moscow during the talks, saying it wouldn't work.
“It concerns sanctions, which taking into account the inevitable adequate response, effectively amount to an initiative to rupture relations,” he warned, adding that Russian will respond in kind to protect its interests.

The talks come as an estimated 100,000 combat-ready Russian troops, tanks and heavy military equipment are massed near Ukraine’s eastern border. The buildup has caused deep concerns in Kyiv and the West that Moscow is preparing for an invasion. Russia denies that it's pondering an invasion and in turn accuses the West of threatening its security by positioning military personnel and equipment in Central and Eastern Europe.

Peskov rebuffed the West's calls for Russia to help deescalate tensions by pulling back troops from areas near Ukraine, noting that the country is free to move them wherever it deems necessary on its own territory.

“It's hardly possible for NATO to dictate to us where we should move our armed forces on the Russian territory,” he said.

Peskov underscored that Russia is ready to continue the talks but wants them to produce results. “There will be no deficit of a political will to continue the negotiations,” he said.

Tensions revolving around Ukraine and Russia's demands on the West again appeared on the table at Thursday's meeting of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Vienna.

Polish Foreign Minister Zbigniew Rau, who assumed the position of the OSCE Chairman-in-Office, noted in his opening speech that "the risk of war in the OSCE area is now greater than ever before in the last 30 years.”

“For several weeks, we have been faced with the possibility of a major military escalation in Eastern Europe," he said. “We have recently heard a demand for security guarantees related to an important part of the OSCE area and the renewed discourse about spheres of influence. All these aspects require a serious international assessment and a proper reaction.”

Rau emphasized the need to “focus on a peaceful resolution of a conflict in and around Ukraine ... in full respect of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and unity of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders."

In 2014, Russia annexed Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula after the ouster of its Moscow-friendly leader and threw its weight behind a separatist insurgency in the country’s east, where more than seven years of fighting has killed over 14,000 people.

A 2015 peace deal brokered by France and Germany has helped end large-scale battles, but frequent skirmishes have continued and efforts to negotiate a political settlement have failed.

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Emily Schultheis reported from Vienna.

Russian diplomat leaves open Cuba, Venezuela army deployment - ABC News (go.com)
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And the prior concerns were having the PRC and IRGC opening up shop in both locals. Merde....
 
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Housecarl said:
And the prior concerns were having the PRC and IRGC opening up shop in both locals. Merde....
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Brother Carl, neither one of us is (or should be) surprised that this potentiality has been voiced.
As one of our posters used to say "WORLD EYES UP!! What are we not seeing?" It's a BIG chessboard.
Gotta watch ALLL the pawns as well as the bigger pieces.
 
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night driver said:
Brother Carl, neither one of us is (or should be) surprised that this potentiality has been voiced.
As one of our posters used to say "WORLD EYES UP!! What are we not seeing?" It's a BIG chessboard.
Gotta watch ALLL the pawns as well as the bigger pieces.
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Yup. This just shows how "eyes off the ball" these idiots have been.

The next thing I expect the MSM to actually freak out about is the Russian Navy repopulating the "Yankee Box" off the coasts.
 
Doomer Doug

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Russia openly calls talks unsuccessful. Senate bill introduced to sanction Putin personally. Russia withdraws troops from kazzystan claims it was color revolution.
Russia expects written response from NATO soon.
TSHTF gang. NOTHING will stop a Russian invasion of ukraine and/or Georgia now.

By the way biden's money payoff to the Taleban was for services rendered in kazzystan.
 
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Update: Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov: "The US and its NATO allies are not ready to meet Russia halfway on the key issues," "The main problem is that the United States and its NATO allies, under no guise, for any reason are not ready to meet our key demands."
 
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Europe at greatest risk of war in 30 years, Poland warns

By Thomas Escritt




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Poland's Foreign Minister Zbigniew Rau speaks at the NATO Foreign Ministers summit in Riga, Latvia December 1, 2021. REUTERS/Ints Kalnins

A Ukrainian navy sailor is seen on board an armoured gunboat during a short voyage near a base of the Ukrainian Naval Forces in the Azov Sea port of Berdyansk, Ukraine January 12, 2022. REUTERS/Anastasia Vlasova




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A Ukrainian navy sailor is seen on board an armoured gunboat during a short voyage near a base of the Ukrainian Naval Forces in the Azov Sea port of Berdyansk, Ukraine January 12, 2022. REUTERS/Anastasia Vlasova



VIENNA, Jan 13 (Reuters) - Europe is nearer war than it has been in 30 years, Poland's foreign minister warned during the third round of diplomacy this week aimed at defusing tensions over Russia's demand that Ukraine never be allowed to join NATO.
Addressing envoys from the 57 members of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), Zbigniew Rau did not name Russia, but listed a string of conflicts in which Moscow's involvement has been alleged.

"It seems that the risk of war in the OSCE area is now greater than ever before in the last 30 years," Rau said in a speech outlining his country's priorities as it holds the OSCE's rotating chairmanship this year.
"For several weeks we have been faced with the prospect of a major military escalation in Eastern Europe."

Poland is among the NATO members that are most hawkish in confronting what it sees as Russia's revisionist ambitions in Eastern Europe.
"We should focus on a peaceful resolution of the conflict in and around Ukraine," Rau added, calling for "full respect of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and unity of Ukraine within its internationally recognised borders".

Russia has deployed more than 100,000 troops near its borders with Ukraine, which is already battling Moscow-backed separatists in its east. Russia annexed Ukraine's Crimea region in 2014.
Thursday's talks in Vienna will be the first this week in which Ukraine will be represented, and there only on a low, ambassadorial level. Ministerial talks between Russia and the U.S. in Geneva on Tuesday and between Russia and NATO in Brussels on Wednesday failed to yield clear progress.
The Kremlin on Thursday gave a bleak assessment of Russia's security talks with the United States and NATO this week, describing them as "unsuccessful" and saying there was disagreement on fundamental issues.
www.reuters.com

Europe at greatest risk of war in 30 years, Poland warns

Europe is nearer war than it has been in 30 years, Poland's foreign minister warned during the third round of diplomacy this week aimed at defusing tensions over Russia's demand that Ukraine never be allowed to join NATO.
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When no party is willing to give there is only one result. Do we make it through the long weekend? Thinking false flag Friday and Russia goes. They cant wait because I must believe at this point NATO and the US will start moving troops.
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Yes, I am waiting to hear that the UK is calling up reservists
 
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The China olympics end on February 20th. I can't see China starting a war with Taiwan before then because it would create a worldwide diplomatic crisis over the olympic competitors being trapped there in a war situation. And I can't see Russia giving up the advantage provided by Amerika being bogged down with a war on two fronts (Ukraine and Taiwan). So around the end of February is my guess on timing. If Russia waits till after spring (March 21), then they lose the advantage that the natural gas reductions would give them to inhibit a European response. Plus their tanks might bog down in the mud after spring starts.
 
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marsofold said:
The China olympics end on February 20th. I can't see China starting a war with Taiwan before then because it would create a worldwide diplomatic crisis over the olympic competitors being trapped there in a war situation. And I can't see Russia giving up the advantage provided by Amerika being bogged down with a war on two fronts (Ukraine and Taiwan). So around the end of February is my guess on timing. If Russia waits till after spring (March 21), then they lose the advantage that the natural gas reductions would give them to inhibit a European response. Plus their tanks might bog down in the mud after spring starts.
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I dont think Russia can wait 6 weeks. Right now there isnt much in their way but the Ukrainians and the best they can do is be a speed bump and then maybe a thorn after they are overrun. Russia needs to be through the Ukraine and sitting in a good defensive position on the border before NATO can bring its assets to bear. If they do that we may be forced to accept it and move on. If they wait til Feb and NATO starts moving units now it could turn into a slug fest for them. Putin needs a quick decisive victory to show the world what the New Russia can do.
 
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mecoastie said:
I dont think Russia can wait 6 weeks. Right now there isnt much in their way but the Ukrainians and the best they can do is be a speed bump and then maybe a thorn after they are overrun. Russia needs to be through the Ukraine and sitting in a good defensive position on the border before NATO can bring its assets to bear. If they do that we may be forced to accept it and move on. If they wait til Feb and NATO starts moving units now it could turn into a slug fest for them. Putin needs a quick decisive victory to show the world what the New Russia can do.
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Well, then expect this to kick off very soon!
 
Melodi

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this weekend, i suspect.
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You beat me to it, and if not this weekend, then probably by the next one - look for a recall of ambassadors. I believe some diplomatic staff has already been pulled back but not officially. Things could "go hot" without that happening, but so far the pattern has been what used to be the usual diplomatic and military preparations and statements before a big war.

The sort of thing that used to happen before most wars were unofficial "police actions" or "peace" keeping missions.

This all has a rather odd echo of 1914 about it, in the sense that the major powers just seem to be walking right into this one.
 
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mecoastie said:
Are as ready as you can be? Got an exit strategy?
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well yes. but i don't want to leave now. i just love this place. this is an amazing country. i have friends and a whole bunch of absolutely beautiful women who want to be with me... and back home, i probably would have trouble getting one date with a normal person without a nose ring ,weird tats, green hair and bizarre attitudes.

but yes, i have plan a, b, c, d, and e.

and such good горілка.

see y'all monday!
 
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Doomer Doug

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Kazzystan's color revolution, plus sanctioning Putin PERSONALLY sealed the invasion of the Ukraine.
Unknowns include what will china do viz a viz Taiwan and the Olympics. This weekend is credible.

Also unknown is nukes on guam or emp bursts over dc.
Obama will get his war one way or another.
Nukes start going off and biden al will simply collapse.
 
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Right from the start
Melodi said:
You beat me to it, and if not this weekend, then probably by the next one - look for a recall of ambassadors. I believe some diplomatic staff has already been pulled back but not officially. Things could "go hot" without that happening, but so far the pattern has been what used to be the usual diplomatic and military preparations and statements before a big war.

The sort of thing that used to happen before most wars were unofficial "police actions" or "peace" keeping missions.

This all has a rather odd echo of 1914 about it, in the sense that the major powers just seem to be walking right into this one.
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melodi, i think this is a combination of 1914 and 1939.

1914: interlocked alliances. an unacceptable ultimatum. clueless leaders. new, poorly understood weapons

1939: an intent to start shit. a false flag (coming here maybe), irredentist demands.

WW1: 5 mil

WWII: 50 mil

WWIII: not looking good by precedent..

i don't think it matters now where you are when it kicks off.
 
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