ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

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Friday, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said, “NATO never promised not to admit new members; it could not and would not.”
But this is nonsense. There is no requirement that the U.S. admit to NATO any or all nations that apply for admission.
For whatever reasons we choose, we can veto any applicant. And avoiding war with Russia might constitute one of those reasons.

With NATO’s continuous post-Cold War expansion into Central and Eastern Europe, America has to ask: If the risk of war with Russia grows with each new member on its borders admitted to NATO, why are we doing this? Is there no red line of Putin’s Russia we will not cross?

Do we believe Putin will indefinitely accept the encirclement and containment of his country by nations united in an alliance created to keep Russia surrounded?

Presidents Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan disagreed often but did agree on this: U.S.-NATO war guarantees stopped at the Elbe. Beyond the river in Germany, we battled the USSR with weapons of diplomacy, politics and economics, not weapons of war.
How would we have reacted if, after losing the Cold War, we were treated to Russian warships on Lake Ontario and Moscow giving Canada war guarantees?
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The old paleo-conservative Buchanan is 100% right in his assessment. He tactfully doesn't mention the fact that Biden&Son Crime Family, Inc. have long-established crooked financial dealings in Ukraine and are most likely being blackmailed about all the details - which I personally believe are more shocking than any of us know - to be released.

I've thought of the same scenario as Buchanan brings up. Just consider the mirror image of this situation and what our response would rightfully be.

Say that Canada disintegrated; Ontario and Quebec became independent countries and were invited by Russia, et al, to establish WATO - Western Atlantic Treaty Organization. Furthermore, Russia would arm Ontario with "defensive" ballistic missiles which could be re-armed to attack Chicago, New York, Washington, DC- pretty much anywhere in the region. If Ontario had been bribing the Russian president for the past 10 years or so, they would have leverage on him.

So the US might call up 100,000 troops along the border (the Great Lakes wouldn't be very helpful in this scenario but they'd be akin to the Black Sea in what's actually happening) and demand that Ontario and Quebec not join WATO. Russian diplomats would be spouting nonsense that the whole situation was being sparked by the US' "offensive actions" and hawkish idiots in Russia (being prodded by their neo-cons and military-industrial complex) would be instigating that Russia defend Ontario.

Would the US just simply stand by and allow itself to be strategically weakened? Consider the incredible logistics that Russia would have to overcome to defend Ontario - pretty much the same as us joining a Ukrainian fight. How likely would it be that kinetic action could quickly escalate to the canned sunshine scenario?

Now back to reality, so the situation as it presently is - the clown show in DC has got to come to its senses and quit spouting this "This is all Russia's fault" crap, but the real risk is that Biden's crimes will be aired out by Ukraine in response to them not being "defended". So the choice is nukes vs. truth when it comes down to it. And I don't have a lot of confidence in truth coming out on top with Bai-Den at the helm.

Ask yourself this. In what possible way is Ukraine strategically important to the US, or for that matter, Europe? The EU is already having to financially subsidize recently-joined EU/NATO members like Bulgaria. How in the world did we allow an invitation to an already-bankrupt Ukraine to join NATO to even see the light of day?
 
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Walrus said:
The old paleo-conservative Buchanan is 100% right in his assessment. He tactfully doesn't mention the fact that Biden&Son Crime Family, Inc. have long-established crooked financial dealings in Ukraine and are most likely being blackmailed about all the details - which I personally believe are more shocking than any of us know - to be released.

I've thought of the same scenario as Buchanan brings up. Just consider the mirror image of this situation and what our response would rightfully be.

Say that Canada disintegrated; Ontario and Quebec became independent countries and were invited by Russia, et al, to establish WATO - Western Atlantic Treaty Organization. Furthermore, Russia would arm Ontario with "defensive" ballistic missiles which could be re-armed to attack Chicago, New York, Washington, DC- pretty much anywhere in the region. If Ontario had bribed the Russian president for the past 10 years or so, they would have leverage on him.

So the US might call up 100,000 troops along the border (the Great Lakes wouldn't be very helpful in this scenario but they'd be akin to the Black Sea in what's actually happening) and demand that Ontario and Quebec not join WATO. Russian diplomats would be spouting nonsense that the whole situation was being sparked by the US' "offensive actions" and hawkish idiots in Russia (being prodded by their neo-cons and military-industrial complex) would be instigating that Russia defend Ontario.

Would the US just simply stand by and allow itself to be strategically weakened? Consider the logistics that Russia would have to overcome to defend Ontario. How likely would it be that kinetic action would quickly escalate to the canned sunshine scenario?

Back to reality - the clown show in DC has got to come to its senses and quit spouting this "This is all Russia's fault" crap, but the real risk is that Biden's crimes will be aired out in response. So the choice is nukes vs. truth when it comes down to it. And I don't see truth coming out on top.

Ask yourself this. In what possible way is Ukraine strategically important to the US, or for that matter, Europe? The EU is already having to financially subsidize recent NATO members like Bulgaria. How in the world did we allow an invitation to Ukraine to join NATO to even see the light of day?
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I do not think that Putin would hesitate for a second to put troops into those prospective WATO countries if the US were just moving troops around in their country. He would do it in a heartbeat if they asked. He would probably do it to protect the Russian citizens living there.
 
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Does anyone believe that the recent dust-up in Kazakhstan was not spun up by the Deep State's pigeonholed operatives in order to cause Vlad to blink because his attention was diverted?

Probably the same folks who think the Color Revolution in Ukraine wasn't instigated by the same old bunch - who were then working under Obammy's directives, much like they are now.
 
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Walrus said:
Does anyone believe that the recent dust-up in Kazakhstan was not spun up by the Deep State's pigeonholed operatives in order to cause Vlad to blink because his attention was diverted?

Probably the same folks who think the Color Revolution in Ukraine wasn't instigated by the same old bunch - who were then working under Obammy's directives, much like they are now.
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As quick as it was put down I am beginning to believe it may have been internal or have support from some minor player. If it was an attempt to distract Putin it failed miserably. It seems like the Kazakh forces did most if not all the heavy lifting in bringing the insurrection under control.
 
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mecoastie said:
As quick as it was put down I am beginning to believe it may have been internal or have support from some minor player. If it was an attempt to distract Putin it failed miserably. It seems like the Kazakh forces did most if not all the heavy lifting in bringing the insurrection under control.
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Yep, you're right about that ending with a peep - and of course not counting the Spetznatz quick reaction brigades which were on the way as well. (They don't play nice)

That pretty much cleared the air real quickly. Of course it didn't cost anything to spool it up and then just quietly go away, whoever it was that got it started. I just don't think the Kazakhs are strategic enough thinkers at the so-called grass roots level to have done this on their own.

ETA: It does not appear to be winding down as much as I'd originally thought. With the various news segments coming out, it was - to say the least - interesting that "violent elements" were mixed in with the Kazakh protestors. Provocateurs?
 
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The old paleo-conservative Buchanan is 100% right in his assessment. He tactfully doesn't mention the fact that Biden&Son Crime Family, Inc. have long-established crooked financial dealings in Ukraine and are most likely being blackmailed about all the details - which I personally believe are more shocking than any of us know - to be released.

I've thought of the same scenario as Buchanan brings up. Just consider the mirror image of this situation and what our response would rightfully be.

Say that Canada disintegrated; Ontario and Quebec became independent countries and were invited by Russia, et al, to establish WATO - Western Atlantic Treaty Organization. Furthermore, Russia would arm Ontario with "defensive" ballistic missiles which could be re-armed to attack Chicago, New York, Washington, DC- pretty much anywhere in the region. If Ontario had bribed the Russian president for the past 10 years or so, they would have leverage on him.

So the US might call up 100,000 troops along the border (the Great Lakes wouldn't be very helpful in this scenario but they'd be akin to the Black Sea in what's actually happening) and demand that Ontario and Quebec not join WATO. Russian diplomats would be spouting nonsense that the whole situation was being sparked by the US' "offensive actions" and hawkish idiots in Russia (being prodded by their neo-cons and military-industrial complex) would be instigating that Russia defend Ontario.

Would the US just simply stand by and allow itself to be strategically weakened? Consider the logistics that Russia would have to overcome to defend Ontario. How likely would it be that kinetic action would quickly escalate to the canned sunshine scenario?

Back to reality - the clown show in DC has got to come to its senses and quit spouting this "This is all Russia's fault" crap, but the real risk is that Biden's crimes will be aired out in response. So the choice is nukes vs. truth when it comes down to it. And I don't see truth coming out on top.

Ask yourself this. In what possible way is Ukraine strategically important to the US, or for that matter, Europe? The EU is already having to financially subsidize recent NATO members like Bulgaria. How in the world did we allow an invitation to Ukraine to join NATO to even see the light of day?
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January 12, 202212:06 PM ESTLast Updated 3 hours ago U.S. Senate Democrats unveil Russia sanctions bill to bolster Ukraine

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U.S. Senator Robert Menendez (D-NJ) speaks before Zalmay Khalilzad, special envoy for Afghanistan Reconciliation, testifies before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on Capitol Hill in Washington, U.S., April 27, 2021. Susan Walsh/Pool via REUTERS

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WASHINGTON, Jan 12 (Reuters) - U.S. Senate Democrats on Wednesday unveiled a bill to impose sweeping sanctions on top Russian government and military officials, including President Vladimir Putin, and key banking institutions if Moscow engages in hostilities against Ukraine.
The proposed legislation, backed by the White House, includes provisions to help bolster Ukraine’s security and encourages the United States to "consider all available and appropriate measures" to ensure the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline - a "tool of malign influence of the Russian Federation" - does not become operational.

"This legislation makes it absolutely clear that the U.S. Senate will not stand idly by as the Kremlin threatens a re-invasion of Ukraine," Senator Robert Menendez, the Democratic chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee who unveiled the bill, said in a statement.
Russia has amassed about 100,000 troops on Ukraine's border and Washington is trying to dissuade Moscow from re-invading the country.

The bill, first reported by the Washington Post, would also target companies in Russia that offer secure messaging systems, such as SWIFT, which banks use to exchange key information with other financial institutions.
More than two dozen Democrats, including Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, have endorsed the bill, a Menendez spokesperson said.

The bill would "trigger severe costs to Russia's economy" if Russia goes ahead with an invasion, a spokesperson for the White House's National Security Council said.
Other legislation, such as a billsponsored by Republican Senator Ted Cruz, will "not counter further Russian aggression or protect Ukraine," the NSC spokesperson said.
Cruz struck a deal with Schumer last month, in which the Texas senator released his hold on dozens of President Joe Biden's ambassadorial nominees. Cruz's bill will be put to a vote this week, but it requires 60 votes to pass, a high hurdle in the evenly divided Senate.
The Menendez-backed bill provides an alternative for Democrats who support sanctions on the $11 billion Nord Stream 2 pipeline, which is completed but waiting approvals from Germany, and makes it harder for Cruz's bill to pass.
Many Democrats have supported sanctions on the pipeline as it would bypass Ukraine, depriving the country of transit fees and potentially undermining its struggle against Russia.
Cruz's bill would slap sanctions on the pipeline within 15 days of passage, regardless of whether Russia reinvades Ukraine, and would allow Congress to vote to reinstate sanctions should the president waive them. Cruz has said sanctions are needed immediately to stop the project.
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Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskiy believes sanctions should be imposed immediately on the pipeline even if Russia does not invade, as its operation poses a "material security and economic threat to Europe," a person close to him said. "Kyiv is vehemently opposed to any policy that allows Russia to use invasion threats to get what it wants in other areas," said the person, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
Biden has described the pipeline as a bad deal for Europe and said it would increase Russia's influence there. But his administration last year waived sanctions on Nord Stream 2 AG, the company controlling the project, as the White House sought to repair relations with Germany.
A senior Biden administration official said on Wednesday that the threat of stopping the project is leverage that Germany holds over Russia.
"If sanctions are imposed right now, and Russia views these sanctions as a sunk cost, then this would be one less consideration in its calculus," the official said. "The deterrent potential of sanctions or shutting down the pipeline would be lost."
Washington is looking at a range of contingency options to help Ukraine should Russia cut off energy supplies, another senior Biden administration official said. read more
The pipeline, backed by Russia's state gas company Gazprom , would provide fuel to Germany, Europe's largest economy, which is shutting coal and nuclear plants, and other European countries.
Several Democratic senators said late on Monday, after meeting with Biden administration officials, that they believe the sanctions on Nord Stream 2 proposed by Cruz could harm relations with Germany, an important U.S. ally, especially on policy toward Russia, Iran and climate change.
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U.S. Senate Democrats unveil Russia sanctions bill to bolster Ukraine

U.S. Senate Democrats on Wednesday unveiled a bill to impose sweeping sanctions on top Russian government and military officials, including President Vladimir Putin, and key banking institutions if Moscow engages in hostilities against Ukraine.
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New: Senior admin officials say the US has finalized sanctions options in the event that Russia invades Ukraine. The Biden administration has sanctions targets and implementation measures “ready to go to be issued when those tanks cross the border,” one official said.
 
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Sheesh, what a farce these talks are, Daniel. The look like you are doing something while you are really doing nothing. Methinks the LIVE FIRE COMBAT EXERCISES speak volumes about what the REAL ONG on the ground situation is.:hof:
I pray for O'Really but war is a done deal.

Sunny and 55 F in downtown Portland right now.:D
 
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Doomer Doug said:
Sheesh, what a farce these talks are, Daniel. The look like you are doing something while you are really doing nothing. Methinks the LIVE FIRE COMBAT EXERCISES speak volumes about what the REAL ONG on the ground situation is.:hof:
I pray for O'Really but war is a done deal.

Sunny and 55 F in downtown Portland right now.:D
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When this kicks off....55K degrees...
 
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Russia: “US-led NATO military bloc has reverted to full Cold War strategy of “containment” towards Russia and seeks “full spectrum dominance” — talks are a fail, Russia said that in such even, it has no choice but to create counter-threats & prop up its military.

Right after the meeting ended, US Democrat’s announced the “protecting Ukraine act” and are seeking to sanction Russia’s banking sector.

NATO specified that “serious consequences” will be faced by Russia if it “invaded Ukraine” and they are “economic means” — no military action against Russia would be taken by NATO, as expected

From what can can see so far based on statements from politicians, Both sides wasted each other’s time with this meeting.
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Why Kazakhstan Exploded

Photo: ALMATY, KAZAKHSTAN – JANUARY 10, 2022: A military patrol detains a man on Nazarbayev Street. A rise in fuel prices sparked protests in the towns of Zhanaozen and Aktau in western Kazakhstan on January 2 and spread rapidly across the country. On January 5, President Tokayev dismissed the cabinet and declared a two-week state of emergency in the Mangistau and Almaty regions as well as in the cities of Almaty and Nur-Sultan. On January 6, a counterterrorism operation to stop mass unrest began. Credit: Valery Sharifulin/TASS.


The sudden eruption of protest and violence in Kazakhstan has been quelled by gunfire and hundreds of Russian troops. But profound underlying problems remain.

Since its independence, Kazakhstan has appeared the most stable and predictable of the five Central Asian nations. It has maintained good relations with key foreign interlocutors, internal political stability, and moderate economic growth, albeit all at the cost of restricted freedoms and extensive corruption.

In 2019, it began an unprecedented transition of power, with First President Nursultan Nazarbayev stepping aside for a handpicked successor, Kassym-Jomart Tokayev. On the surface, all appeared to be well. As president, Tokayev remained deferential to his predecessor while pursuing a limited program of economic and political reforms designed to garner the support of the population. Last week, however, the façade collapsed as Kazakhstan descended into chaos.
While difficult to unpick, Kazakhstan is essentially experiencing two simultaneous crises. Last week, a localized protest over fuel prices triggered nationwide demonstrations calling for improved socio-economic conditions and a more inclusive political system. Concurrently – and very possibly as a result of the protests – Kazakhstan’s ruling clique spectacularly ruptured. While it is not known for certain how the conflict began, we do know that President Tokayev wrested control of Kazakhstan’s state apparatus from Nazarbayev’s family. This conflict is not only taking place in the corridors of power, however. it has spiraled into an armed insurrection on the streets of Almaty, the biggest city, and other towns.

The first sign of a split in the elite came on January 5 when Tokayev issued a terse statement announcing that he had assumed chairmanship of the Security Council, the coordinating body for Kazakhstan’s security apparatus and armed forces. In doing so, he likely violated Kazakhstan’s constitution, which states that Nazarbayev occupies the role of chairman for life. Later, he dismissed Karim Massimov, the chairman of the National Security Committee, the main intelligence agency, and a key Nazarbayev ally, before announcing Massimov’s detention on charges of treason.
As the split occurred, armed groups descended on Almaty and, nearly a week later, continue to contest areas of the city in pitched battles with government forces. Sensing the insurrection was directed at his presidency, Tokayev took the extraordinary step of calling in foreign support via the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), the Russia-led security bloc. The decision appears to have been designed to secure the loyalty of both Kazakhstan’s security services and its political elite. CSTO support — which in essence means Russian support — is a clear signal to both groups as to who the Kremlin backs.

The largest unanswered question is the position of Nazarbayev. Until last week, it appeared that the ruling tandem was operating smoothly. Last year, Nazarbayev passed to Tokayev chairmanship of two institutions that had remained until his control after stepping down from power: the Assembly of the Peoples of Kazakhstan and the Nur Otan political party. Nazarbayev’s whereabouts remain a mystery. While his press secretary has stated that Nazarbayev remains in Nur-Sultan, no conclusive proof has been forthcoming.

For now, President Tokayev appears to be gaining the upper hand. The violence in Almaty is subsiding, in part because Russian units are stiffening the resolve of the Kazakh security services. Tokayev is also due to present a new government and announce reforms on January 11, suggesting he has sufficient political support to build a governing coalition. Nevertheless, a protracted period of renegotiation with the elite is set to unfold in the coming months as Tokayev seeks to consolidate his position.

And questions remain. Even if Tokayev is able to gain control of the governing apparatus and elite, it is far from certain that he can satisfy the demands of the population. Some of the protestors have called for constitutional change, such as the establishment of a parliamentary republic. Others simply want to see improvements to living standards at a time when inflation is heavily degrading purchasing power. Another complication is that Tokayev’s handling of the crisis has been hugely divisive. His decisions to open fire without warning and invite CSTO troops into Kazakhstan will delegitimize him in many people’s minds – even if foreign troops leave the country, as President Putin suggested (and US Secretary of State Antony Blinken questioned.)

While last week’s violence might end in the coming days, Kazakhstan’s dual political crisis has only just begun.
Ben Godwin is Head of Analysis, PRISM Political Risk Management, a London-based investm


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Why Kazakhstan Exploded

The sudden eruption of protest and violence in Kazakhstan has been quelled by gunfire and hundreds of Russian troops. But profound underlying problems remain.
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Putin played the escalate to de-escalate game. Seems no one else is playing. I'm sure Joe would, but Europe seems sincerely worried about Russian expansion and the threat of another European war. We haven't had one in 76 years. That is a record.
 
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Doomer Doug said:
Sheesh, what a farce these talks are, Daniel. The look like you are doing something while you are really doing nothing. Methinks the LIVE FIRE COMBAT EXERCISES speak volumes about what the REAL ONG on the ground situation is.:hof:
I pray for O'Really but war is a done deal.

Sunny and 55 F in downtown Portland right now.:D
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thanks doug.

i am in the west. the worst that can happen here in the beginning is that they take down the big tall radio tower over the city, about 2 miles away, and the comm links on the main post office with precise missiles- about 1/4 mile away.. and maybe take out the int'l airport , about 3 miles away.

the city will go nutz if it does happen. no one thinks this is going to happen, but everyone is very nervous.

personally, i don't think he is going to do it. the costs are just too high and the probable rewards too slim. no one, and i mean literally no one i have spoken too will ever accept rule from moscow again.

maybe putin has, like any dictator has gotten the advice he wants to hear from his intelligence...

but he must know this. i was told he took his honeymoon in a lovely resort in the Carpathian mountain area in the 1980's, so he knows the people and region personally.

but i am keeping my bath filled, and have enough grub for a couple months stashed. and a GF to help me navigate life if ...

what a time!
 
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Russian diplomat leaves open Cuba, Venezuela army deployment
A senior Russian diplomat says that a Russian military deployment to Cuba and Venezuela can’t be excluded if tensions with the United States mount

By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV and EMILY SCHULTHEIS Associated Press
13 January 2022, 08:22

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MOSCOW -- Russia on Thursday sharply raised the stakes in a showdown with the West over Ukraine, with a top diplomat saying he wouldn't exclude a Russian military deployment to Cuba and Venezuela if tensions with the United States mount.

Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov, who led the Russian delegation in Monday’s talks with the United States in Geneva, said in televised remarks that he would neither confirm nor exclude the possibility that Russia could send military assets to Cuba and Venezuela.

The negotiations in Geneva and Wednesday’s NATO-Russia meeting in Vienna failed to narrow the gap on Moscow’s security demands amid a buildup of Russian troops near Ukraine. While Moscow demanded a halt to NATO expansion, Washington and its allies firmly rejected them as a nonstarter.

Speaking in an interview with Russian RTVI TV broadcast, Ryabkov noted that “it all depends on the action by our U.S. counterparts,” adding that President Vladimir Putin has warned that Russia could take military-technical measures if the U.S. provokes Moscow and turns up military pressure on it.

Ryabkov said a refusal by the U.S. and its allies to consider the key Russian demand for guarantees against the alliance’s expansion to Ukraine and other ex-Soviet nations raises doubts about continuing the talks.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov noted “some positive elements and nuances” during the talks, but described them as “unscuccessful” because of stark disagreements on Russia’s key demands.

“The talks were initiated to receive specific answers to concrete principal issues that were raised, and disagreements remained on those principal issues, which is bad,” he said in a conference call with reporters.

Peskov warned of a complete rupture U.S.-Russian relations if proposed sanctions targeting Russian President Vladimir Putin and other top civilian and military leaders are adopted. The measures, proposed by Senate Democrats, would also target leading leading Russian financial institutions if Moscow sends troops into Ukraine.

Peskov criticized the proposals as an attempt to up the pressure on Moscow during the talks, saying it wouldn't work.
“It concerns sanctions, which taking into account the inevitable adequate response, effectively amount to an initiative to rupture relations,” he warned, adding that Russian will respond in kind to protect its interests.

The talks come as an estimated 100,000 combat-ready Russian troops, tanks and heavy military equipment are massed near Ukraine’s eastern border. The buildup has caused deep concerns in Kyiv and the West that Moscow is preparing for an invasion. Russia denies that it's pondering an invasion and in turn accuses the West of threatening its security by positioning military personnel and equipment in Central and Eastern Europe.

Peskov rebuffed the West's calls for Russia to help deescalate tensions by pulling back troops from areas near Ukraine, noting that the country is free to move them wherever it deems necessary on its own territory.

“It's hardly possible for NATO to dictate to us where we should move our armed forces on the Russian territory,” he said.

Peskov underscored that Russia is ready to continue the talks but wants them to produce results. “There will be no deficit of a political will to continue the negotiations,” he said.

Tensions revolving around Ukraine and Russia's demands on the West again appeared on the table at Thursday's meeting of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Vienna.

Polish Foreign Minister Zbigniew Rau, who assumed the position of the OSCE Chairman-in-Office, noted in his opening speech that "the risk of war in the OSCE area is now greater than ever before in the last 30 years.”

“For several weeks, we have been faced with the possibility of a major military escalation in Eastern Europe," he said. “We have recently heard a demand for security guarantees related to an important part of the OSCE area and the renewed discourse about spheres of influence. All these aspects require a serious international assessment and a proper reaction.”

Rau emphasized the need to “focus on a peaceful resolution of a conflict in and around Ukraine ... in full respect of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and unity of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders."

In 2014, Russia annexed Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula after the ouster of its Moscow-friendly leader and threw its weight behind a separatist insurgency in the country’s east, where more than seven years of fighting has killed over 14,000 people.

A 2015 peace deal brokered by France and Germany has helped end large-scale battles, but frequent skirmishes have continued and efforts to negotiate a political settlement have failed.

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Emily Schultheis reported from Vienna.

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