ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

Johnny Twoguns

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Me thinks Mr. Nehls needs a quick refresher course on geopolitical realities.

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Doc
All the Ukrainian and Russian dead are a result of the machinations of the western DS. As are all those suffering from the Jab. It is all being run by the same group of global trillionaire terrorists. Hate to say it but short of nuke war the only thing that will, maybe, stop them from their insanity would be a collapse of the Western make up fiat out of thin air 'money' system.
 

Abert

Veteran Member
And don't forget the ''sanctions''.
Yet another "side effect" of mindless US SANCTIONS - turns out the key ingredient for the nitrocellulose used to make gunpowder is a type of cotton primarily grown in China. Because of US SANCTIONS on China's cotton the supply to Europe has been impacted It is very likely this cotton is now being exported to Russia - they have to sell it to someone and likely Russia is a good market to supplement their own production.

In addition:
the Chinese manufacturers who historically were the biggest suppliers at over 30% of the market share are no longer willing to ship raw nitrocellulose to the USA or NATO member countries in attempt to reduce the USA & NATO’s ability to supply Ukrainian forces with artillery shells, and of course Russia who historically was the 2nd biggest supplier is out of the supply chain as well..”

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Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee
Yet another "side effect" of mindless US SANCTIONS - turns out the key ingredient for the nitrocellulose used to make gunpowder is a type of cotton primarily grown in China. Because of US SANCTIONS on China's cotton the supply to Europe has been impacted It is very likely this cotton is now being exported to Russia - they have to sell it to someone and likely Russia is a good market to supplement their own production.

In addition:
the Chinese manufacturers who historically were the biggest suppliers at over 30% of the market share are no longer willing to ship raw nitrocellulose to the USA or NATO member countries in attempt to reduce the USA & NATO’s ability to supply Ukrainian forces with artillery shells, and of course Russia who historically was the 2nd biggest supplier is out of the supply chain as well..”

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The "G7' nations are also mostly the same nations in NATO.
The G7 is made up of the United States, Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy and Japan.
Representatives from the European Union also attend.

In other words, the same old faces with the same old message.
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee

Russia restoring oil refining capacity after Ukrainian suicide drone strikes​


Ukraine power plants, hit in retaliation...............Are not.
Ukraine requested emergency electricity from Europe today.............and more euros.

 

Abert

Veteran Member
The "G7' nations are also mostly the same nations in NATO.
The G7 is made up of the United States, Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy and Japan.
Representatives from the European Union also attend.

In other words, the same old faces with the same old message.
True - but now EU Sanctions are hitting the US -

Russian ship carrying nuclear fuel for US nuclear power plant detained in German port​


The vessel Atlantic Navigator II has been held in dock at the seaport of Rostock (Germany) for three weeks after enriched uranium was found on board.
Customs found goods subject to EU sanctions and banned the vessel from continuing its journey.
 

von Koehler

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Doc1

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Haven't seen a picture of a Stug III for a while? :lol:
The new version has the same drawback, you can't rotate the turrent.

Well, to be completely accurate there was no turret to be turned. The Stugs did have a limited ability to traverse their gun, but for larger movements the entire vehicle had to be moved.

The Stug is widely criticized by those who don't know better, but in fact it was a very successful armored vehicle with a good combat record. No, it wasn't a tank, but it was never designed to be one. It would more accurately be described as armored, mobile artillery.

In WWII the Germans (very) foolishly decided to take on three super powers simultaneously (The Soviet Union, Britain and the USA) and a host of lesser powers. They would've had a very good shot at fighting one of them alone (the Soviets), but once Britain and the US entered the fray, it was all over but the surrender ceremony.

By mid war Germany was already having raw materials and manufacturing issues and the Stug was an effort to do more with less. By eliminating the turret, the Stug was far cheaper to manufacture and could be rapidly turned out in much greater numbers than true tanks.

The Wehrmacht fully understood this and the vehicle's tactical employment was adjusted accordingly. At the end of the day, it must be said that the Stug represented a very effective effort to stretch Germany's production capability. A lot of their other mid-war products weren't nearly as effective.

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Walrus

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Not just the US

Europe Battles Powder Shortage To Supply Shells For Ukraine​

"We have all become aware of the need to face up to the scarcity of some components, especially gunpowders," French President Emmanuel Macron said Monday after a gathering of Kyiv's allies in Paris.

"Powder is really what's lacking today," he added.
I read somewhere recently that the real shortage in manufacturing is cellulose. China supplies some very high percentage (more than 90%) of the world's cellulose for making gunpowder. I think it's derived from cotton.

Kind of amazing that yet again there's one more basic component which is required to properly engage in war that has been largely monopolized by a country with whom our foolish leaders are preparing to fight. But they seem to be true neo-shit-libs who haven't yet seen a war in which they can resist getting involved.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
Sorry to upset the prevalent western narrative, but Russians got over the meat wave attack thing in WWII, after losing millions of people in what they rightly call the Great Patriotic War. Their Slavic brethren never got the memo, though. (And from what my dad told us of his time in the Korean War, the ChiComms never got the memo either.)

Nowadays the Ukrainians order their forcefully-mobilized troops into cauldrons in which their commanders stupidly sacrifice their commands while keeping the troops' salaries for themselves, as their deaths are never reported.
 
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Johnny Twoguns

Senior Member
View: https://youtu.be/YUYCAcnAUDQ?si=EJHRLRnFzdoyUGeJ

8:47 minutes

I was waiting for more visual confirmation of the Russian losses in Crimea. Estimated costs total over the equivalent of US$500 million. Considering that Russian GNP is about the same as Holland, this represents a huge monetary loss.

View: https://youtu.be/uCe4qxuN_14?si=q8kxgv_PU2t40reo

4:15 minutes

This is still as true in 2024 as it was in the 1940's.
Another 3 weeks and Ukrainian forces will be at the gates of Moscow.
 
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Johnny Twoguns

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Well, to be completely accurate there was no turret to be turned. The Stugs did have a limited ability to traverse their gun, but for larger movements the entire vehicle had to be moved.

The Stug is widely criticized by those who don't know better, but in fact it was a very successful armored vehicle with a good combat record. No, it wasn't a tank, but it was never designed to be one. It would more accurately be described as armored, mobile artillery.

In WWII the Germans (very) foolishly decided to take on three super powers simultaneously (The Soviet Union, Britain and the USA) and a host of lesser powers. They would've had a very good shot at fighting one of them alone (the Soviets), but once Britain and the US entered the fray, it was all over but the surrender ceremony.

By mid war Germany was already having raw materials and manufacturing issues and the Stug was an effort to do more with less. By eliminating the turret, the Stug was far cheaper to manufacture and could be rapidly turned out in much greater numbers than true tanks.

The Wehrmacht fully understood this and the vehicle's tactical employment was adjusted accordingly. At the end of the day, it must be said that the Stug represented a very effective effort to stretch Germany's production capability. A lot of their other mid-war products weren't nearly as effective.

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Very good tank killer but it was vulnerable to a large tank and infantry assault.
 

Tristan

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Not just the US

Europe Battles Powder Shortage To Supply Shells For Ukraine​

"We have all become aware of the need to face up to the scarcity of some components, especially gunpowders," French President Emmanuel Macron said Monday after a gathering of Kyiv's allies in Paris.

"Powder is really what's lacking today," he added.


There is nothing, nothing, that does a better job of making fertilizer than a Politician.

Everything they touch turns to Sh*t.
 

Tristan

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Yet another "side effect" of mindless US SANCTIONS - turns out the key ingredient for the nitrocellulose used to make gunpowder is a type of cotton primarily grown in China. Because of US SANCTIONS on China's cotton the supply to Europe has been impacted It is very likely this cotton is now being exported to Russia - they have to sell it to someone and likely Russia is a good market to supplement their own production.

In addition:
the Chinese manufacturers who historically were the biggest suppliers at over 30% of the market share are no longer willing to ship raw nitrocellulose to the USA or NATO member countries in attempt to reduce the USA & NATO’s ability to supply Ukrainian forces with artillery shells, and of course Russia who historically was the 2nd biggest supplier is out of the supply chain as well..”

They Never Learn:

Our "Special Team" comes from the Wile E Coyote school of "Genius!"

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von Koehler

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View: https://youtube.com/shorts/1ovjlqVCasM?si=-_dtKgG7dZom-i7D

About two minutes

"We fought the wrong side." If America had instead decided to fight Russia, the German general staff would have ousted Hitler in a heartbeat. Hitler never truly trusted his generals.

Just imagine America's industrial capacity turning out Tigers, ME 262 jets and 88's. Something as basic as American trucks helped turn the tide of war for the Soviets.
 
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Walrus

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Another 3 weeks and Ukrainian forces will be a the gates of Moscow.
There's an interesting monument on the northwest outskirts of Moscow from the war. It's a giant sculpture of 3 "hedgehogs" which were designed to prevent the movement of tanks. (Think of Omaha Beach in Saving Private Ryan)

It was originally in the village of Khimki but Moscow was much smaller then. It's now grown out to way past the original village. I doubt there's anything left of the village, actually. The monument itself is easy to see - right on the side of the main freeway between Moscow City Centre and Sheremetyevo Airport.

It's on high ground and one can easily look down into the center of Moscow. There was no battle there, per se, but that ground is noted as the furthest German penetration into the capital region. It was a German recon unit which reached that point but they'd outrun their combat elements and had to retreat from it.

 

Walrus

Veteran Member
Yet another "side effect" of mindless US SANCTIONS - turns out the key ingredient for the nitrocellulose used to make gunpowder is a type of cotton primarily grown in China. Because of US SANCTIONS on China's cotton the supply to Europe has been impacted It is very likely this cotton is now being exported to Russia - they have to sell it to someone and likely Russia is a good market to supplement their own production.

In addition:
the Chinese manufacturers who historically were the biggest suppliers at over 30% of the market share are no longer willing to ship raw nitrocellulose to the USA or NATO member countries in attempt to reduce the USA & NATO’s ability to supply Ukrainian forces with artillery shells, and of course Russia who historically was the 2nd biggest supplier is out of the supply chain as well..”

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Apologies for the duplicate post; I hadn't seen your note when I wrote mine. You are completely correct, of course.
 

SITREP 4/19/24: A Small Gust for Ukraine's Sails?​


Simplicius
Apr 20, 2024


Today we have some interesting thematic developments in the context of Ukraine’s future sustainment outlook.
The most talked about of course is the headway being made for the Ukrainian aid bill, which is set to be voted on in both the House and Senate this weekend and early next week, owing to Speaker Mike Johnson’s eye-opening U-turn. The U-turn was in fact so ‘sudden’ as to imply sinister developments behind the scenes—perhaps kompromat waving, threats, and the like. From an alleged CIA/NSA whistleblower:


You can see below how drastically his tone has changed into an uncharacteristically histrionic one:


This comes after he suddenly proclaimed himself a “wartime speaker”, which was echoed ominously by other congressmen:



In any case, the voting is moving forward, though there is no clear indication yet what will happen; Matt Gaetz has reportedly signaled that unfortunately the vote stands a good chance to pass, though they are still bitterly fighting it. Here’s the latest update:






However, while the pro-Ukrainian crowd rejoices, it’s not clear what real benefit the aid would bring, should it pass. For instance, days ago the provisions of the alleged bill had leaked which apparently showed the vast majority of the $48B Ukrainian aid going to various American DOD scams:



If there’s any accuracy to the above, it appears that when you take away the civil funds to the Ukrainian government, and the DOD’s own beak-wetting double-dip, all that’s really left for Ukrainian ‘weapons’ is about $14B or less. And in fact Johnson appears to confirm this when he says that he changed the bill so that 80% of it now represents replenishment of American stocks, rather than new weapons for Ukraine:


Certainly that’s still a fairly significant amount of money, all things considered, but it doesn’t even begin to address the much bigger issue of there not being any arms left to spend that money on.

For instance, recall the claimed million shells that Czech Republic was said to have found for Ukraine. Now Peter Pavel has confirmed they’ve only made agreements for an alleged 180k and have possibly found another “120k” shells, though they haven’t been purchased yet. That entire number is basically what Russia manufactures per month.

That’s not to mention the fact that Western ammo factories continue to mysteriously go up in smoke these past two weeks:







I wonder what it could be?

Some logically suspect that the urgent increase in production schedules has simply overtaxed the aging and stressed infrastructure and workforce at these sites, which understandably results in elevated risks of industrial ‘accidents’.

But moving on.

The other significant event which dovetails with the aid bill is that Zelensky has finally signed the mobilization bill, which—most significantly—lowers the mobilization age from 27 to 25. By far the most controversial was the removing of the provision that allowed Ukrainian servicemen who’ve served 36 months to be demobilized. This has created an uproar with soldiers posting death threats to the Rada, like this one:


In spite of that, the final ratification of the bill means Ukraine could now stand to mobilize a significant amount of new troops, some estimating 200-500k—or at least that’s the wishful target.

This new chart purports to show the amount of eligible men in each age group. Each bar below represents a year, so one can see for instance that 25 and 26 are somewhere around the 180k or so:



Since the mobilization opened up those two extra years, together that would open up a bit under 400k newly eligible, if the chart is accurate. But when you factor in all the various forms of attrition that realistically happen, i.e. draft dodging in all its varieties, then the real amount could be less than half of that, or even worse.

And for those wondering why there is such a dip in Ukrainian men in their 20s, the explanation I got was that these were men born precisely in the ‘dark ages’ period of the post-Soviet collapse, which means the birthrates were falling drastically then, resulting in far less people being born. It shoots up for the age 5-15 group because presumably in the 2000s the birthrate rose a bit in those brief economically hopeful internet bubble years, before collapsing again in the post-Maidan period.

Anyway, this further means that we’re set for quite a showdown for sometime this summer. That’s because if the aid bill is to pass and the heavy mobilization begins, the influx of new money, weapons, plus large amounts of men could coincide with the long-expected Russian offensive. Of course, it will not change the course of the war, but it could mean a much bloodier meatgrinder that will result in Russia incurring far more losses as it advances. That’s because the cheap defensive weapons most effective against advances, like mines, basic RPGs, small arms ammunition, drones, mortars—are things that have never been in short supply, and a flush of new aid cash could bring a new bonanza of replenishment for them.

Another example. Some sources state that a large batch of new ATACMs missiles will be opened up with the aid bill, and these missiles have proved to be relatively effective. Not wunderwaffe by any means, but effective enough to incur losses and potentially—in large enough number—hamper Russia’s logistics rear to make advance much more painful. A new ATACMs strike has just successfully been carried out on Dzhankoi airbase in Crimea, destroying what’s said to be an entire deployment of S-300s, or what Ukrainians claim were S-400s. The missile parts have now been recovered and identified as ATACMs:



Ukraine released the launch footage, showing around 6 ATACMs being launched from the right bank of the Dnieper, while Russian sources claimed there were up to 12 missiles, with 7+ being shot down:


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Johnny Twoguns

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Pics of him and pence? Or he was shown pics of his daughter's bedroom with her sleeping in bed? I was working a contract in Cali and had a conversation with a CEO's secretary; I was telling her that Bircher's weren't racist (she was Black) but tried to warn about gov take over. She told me her brother was in a large coke running crew in FL. One night a plane dropped a load in the wrong spot. A Judge was involved. brother got busted and was doing time. One morning he woke up in his cell and next to his head was a picture of his daughter sleeping in bed. A warning to keep quiet.

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Abert

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Apologies for the duplicate post; I hadn't seen your note when I wrote mine. You are completely correct, of course.
No Problem - can't be called out enough. At this rate between US and EU SANCTIONS they are effectively making international trade almost impossible - especially now going after indirect violators. Will only force more and more into BRICS. But they will FEEL GOOD while doing it!
 

mistaken1

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Pics of him and pence? Or he was shown pics of his daughter's bedroom with her sleeping in bed? I was working a contract in Cali and had a conversation with a CEO's secretary; I was telling her that Bircher's weren't racist (she was Black) but tried to warn about gov take over. She told me her brother was in a large coke running crew in FL. One night a plane dropped a load in the wrong spot. A Judge was involved. brother got busted and was doing time. One morning he woke up in his cell and next to his head was a picture of his daughter sleeping in bed. A warning to keep quiet.

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Is a SCIF not the perfect place to make illegal threats? Perhaps smuckie chumer was not bragging when he said the intelligence agencies 'Have Six Ways From Sunday Of Getting Back At You', he may have simply been sharing his personal experience.
 

jward

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Samuel Ramani
@SamRamani2

BREAKING: Russell Bentley, a US national, has been killed in Russian occupied Donetsk
Bentley is a self-declared communist who rose to prominence for pushing the Russian propaganda about Nazism in Ukraine in 2022

Bentley's conversion to communism came in the mid-1990s visit to Fidel Castro's Cuba
RT chief Margarita Simonyan has been publicly championing Bentley's legacy

Alexander Khodakovsky from the Vostok Battalion called for retaliation against the killers of Bentley but deleted it

Bentley served as a foreign fighter in the Vostok Battalion after drug smuggling

9:12 AM · Apr 20, 2024
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Abert

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Is a SCIF not the perfect place to make illegal threats? Perhaps smuckie chumer was not bragging when he said the intelligence agencies 'Have Six Ways From Sunday Of Getting Back At You', he may have simply been sharing his personal experience.
Truly STRANGE - he has done a 180 Deg spin around - totally at odds with his former voting record. YEP something happened. Even the speed of this being pushed is unusual - normally you only see this type of action to avoid a Gov shutdown. One other factor that MIGHT be behind this is that it is possible our stock of weapons and munitions is a LOT lower than has been publicly reported. Consider that Biden still has $4 BILLION in military drawdown authority - yet the US has effectively stopped shipments to Ukraine? As noted the bulk of this newly printed money is going to the US MIC to restock.
It was always likely that some funds would be authorized but one would have expected some at least minor offsets or additions in the bills - ZIP NOTHING - not even Johnson's suggested increase in LNG exports. We - like most things - will never know what happened.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
While I have not been paying much attention, I have noticed that it looks like Johnson was threatened. He looks very much like Kamala did reasonably early in Biden's term (I think it was not quite a year in) after something or other almost blew up big time. Her voice and body language was that of someone who had been "shown" something (in my opinion), and I wrote about it then.

If I recall, it was about the right time for her to realize just how bad the situation was, and if she had any reasoning left in her brain, she might have wanted to find a way out (aka quit). At the time, I wondered if she had been shown photos of car or plane crashes or otherwise made an offer she could not refuse. The women looked, acted, and sounded terrified.

I paid attention because she was one heartbeat away from the Oval Office, not two. If they are doing this to Johnson, something dire is going on. Not having many weapons left could be one explanation, though it is hard to tell without more information.

Almost all politicians at high levels have a "control file," and even those rare human beings who have little for the Bad Guys to "play" with, like Ron Paul, have families that can be threatened.
 

Tristan

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Truly STRANGE - he has done a 180 Deg spin around - totally at odds with his former voting record. YEP something happened. Even the speed of this being pushed is unusual - normally you only see this type of action to avoid a Gov shutdown. One other factor that MIGHT be behind this is that it is possible our stock of weapons and munitions is a LOT lower than has been publicly reported. Consider that Biden still has $4 BILLION in military drawdown authority - yet the US has effectively stopped shipments to Ukraine? As noted the bulk of this newly printed money is going to the US MIC to restock.
It was always likely that some funds would be authorized but one would have expected some at least minor offsets or additions in the bills - ZIP NOTHING - not even Johnson's suggested increase in LNG exports. We - like most things - will never know what happened.

What happened?

They got him where they want him.

Right along with a majority in the building.

And Truly Strange?

I don't know that is so. It seems to happen to most if not all who pilgrimage to the holy heart of "Democracy" - although generally over a somewhat longer time frame.
 

Housecarl

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Alexander Mercouris - Always some good observation (and sure to get the required RED DISLIKE)
NOTE: best to set playback speed to 1.25 (1hour 25min) Just posted.

Rus Missiles Strikes, Advances; Lavrov: Rus Won't Talk Zelensky; Johnson Reversal Angers Republicans​

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMK1wC8jFCw

That there is no auditing of Ukraine aid has been and will continue to be a large issue with the non-GOPe members of the House. Everyone else either is getting their "beak wet" one way or another or are compromised.
 

Abert

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While it was always likely "some" funds would be approved for Ukraine this NEW action - LIKE SANCTIONS - will generate a lot more problems than it solves.

Congress passes bill that could unlock billions in frozen Russian assets for Ukraine​


Russia also holds Western Assets which they could also grab - now that the "Rules Based Order" allows such actions - it can go both ways. In addition other nations will think twice about making deposits that not only Sanctions can block them from using but NOW (the new rule) the US or EU can simply take them.
 

jward

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BREAKING: US House approves $60.8 billion in aid for Ukraine, $26.4 billion for Israel and $8 billion for Taiwan

1:44 PM · Apr 20, 2024
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jward

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Collin Rugg
@CollinRugg

JUST IN: Congress members wave Ukraine flags in the United States House after they approve another $61 *billion* in military aid for Ukraine.

The bill also gave $26 *billion* to Israel and another $8 *billion* for allies in the Indo-Pacific region bringing the grand total to $95 billion in foreign funding.

Nearly $100 billion in funding for foreign countries and not a dollar for a U.S. border wall.

Congratulations to the American taxpayer. Your hard-earned money is getting fast-tracked overseas.

Video: @RepMTG
View: https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1781756256132485324




Bill Melugin
@BillMelugin_

Some texts from Border Patrol and ICE contacts after I asked for their response to $95 billion in foreign aid passing the House, but nothing in this package for US border security as border numbers begin to rise again.

"Unbelievable."

"We're screwed."

"So messed up."

2:20 PM · Apr 20, 2024
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Tristan

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That there is no auditing of Ukraine aid has been and will continue to be a large issue with the non-GOPe members of the House. Everyone else either is getting their "beak wet" one way or another or are compromised.


I'm sticking with the theory that they see the end of the road ahead, and are strip-mining the taxpayers and economy while they can.

With what we've observed over the years, doesn't it seem so?
 

Doc1

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I read somewhere recently that the real shortage in manufacturing is cellulose. China supplies some very high percentage (more than 90%) of the world's cellulose for making gunpowder. I think it's derived from cotton.

Kind of amazing that yet again there's one more basic component which is required to properly engage in war that has been largely monopolized by a country with whom our foolish leaders are preparing to fight. But they seem to be true neo-shit-libs who haven't yet seen a war in which they can resist getting involved.

Nitrocellulose is a simple material. I'm not sure about whatever special cotton they are referring to, but I made some when I was a kid using the cotton that came out of medicine bottles and yes, it worked. I did all kinds of dangerous crap when I was a kid (and some as an adult ;-) and it's amazing that I'm still here...

I suspect mental laziness on the part of the chemists and engineers at the manufacturing plants, who don't have the ability, the desire or the imagination to work with or discover substitutes. In WWII "ersatz" or substitutes were used in almost everything.

You said, "Kind of amazing that yet again there's one more basic component which is required to properly engage in war that has been largely monopolized by a country with whom our foolish leaders are preparing to fight. But they seem to be true neo-shit-libs who haven't yet seen a war in which they can resist getting involved."

I agree wholeheartedly.

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