ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

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mecoastie

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Seeker22 said:
So, are the meeedia over there as stupid as the ones over here, or is it all one big group who get their marcing orders and bylines from one place? My post #4,026 should tell them that there is no one there to evac. This bunch of nutballs is going to get us into a nuclear war? Yep.
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There is an acting ambassador and a full staff in the embassy over there. How is there no one to evacuate? Have they already left?
 
adgal

adgal

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Seeker22 said:
So, are the meeedia over there as stupid as the ones over here, or is it all one big group who get their marcing orders and bylines from one place? My post #4,026 should tell them that there is no one there to evac. This bunch of nutballs is going to get us into a nuclear war? Yep.
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There are more people than just an ambassador at the embassy. U.S. Embassy Kyiv

This shows that there are 181 employees at the US Embassy in Kyiv - add in their families and that's a lot of folks.
 
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Techwreck

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Putin is still moving pieces, and will likely hit the go button when they are arranged.

Meanwhile, we are studying plans for possible evacuations (which we are not very good at), and trying to figure out what the game is.

At least we have top-notch woke, demented, and failure prone people in charge.
So we've got that going for us.
 
TheSearcher

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
mecoastie said:
It is stuff like this that makes me question how serious Russia is about going into the Ukraine. They keep tweaking their demands. It costs a bloody fortune to exercise all these units and move them. Maybe they were hoping for the big intimidate to work and are now trying to figure out what to do next. Something has to happen as I dont see Putin backing down but any delays only benefit the Ukraine and NATO
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I'm wondering if the staging is meant for a two-stage attack.

1. Roll over Ukraine in a blitzkrieg attack, grab the whole country.
2. Roll past Ukraine just a little bit with air power and missile strikes into neighboring states to enforce the message.

The chance of it blowing up beyond that bigly is high, and grave if so. Russia may be slow-rolling this because they expected less defense of Ukraine than is now being pledged.
 
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philkar

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SouthernBreeze said:
Once the US begins to evacuate our embassy there, I'll believe that something is imminent. For the time being, I think everything has been put on hold while both sides talk this situation to death. Talk, talk, and more talk.......
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I would tend to agree except there was that mess in A'stan. I don't think we got our folks out of the embassy in a timely manner but I am saying that from memory which can be iffy at times. What a mess.
 
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Hi-D

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I think it's all on hold.

One can get their news from the Unification church if they feel the need for hype but nothing comes close to Bloomberg.

The skies in Death Valley are busy(quite often are) but not so much anywhere else.
 
Hogwrench

Hogwrench

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Hi-D said:
The skies in Death Valley are busy(quite often are) but not so much anywhere else.
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Might want to pay attention to the RC that is off the coast of California at the border. The other off the west coast of Florida and another steaming towards the gulf. It not how many planes are up. It is what is up and where.
 
jward

jward

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Russia vows ‘most serious consequences’ if US ignores its concerns

January 21, 2022 10 mins ago
AFP

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Russia vowed “the most serious consequences” on Friday if Washington keeps ignoring what it said were its legitimate security concerns over Ukraine.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken had been informed that “further ignoring the legitimate concerns of the Russian Federation…will have the most serious consequences,” the Russian foreign ministry said in a statement following talks between Washington’s top diplomat and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

This is a developing story..
insiderpaper.com

Russia vows 'most serious consequences' if US ignores its concerns - Insider Paper

Russia vowed “the most serious consequences” on Friday if Washington keeps ignoring what it said were its legitimate security concerns over Ukraine. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken had been informed that “further ignoring the legitimate concerns of the Russian Federation…will have the most...
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Walrus

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jward said:
Russia vows ‘most serious consequences’ if US ignores its concerns

January 21, 2022 10 mins ago
AFP

19558668275_2c50c09af4_b-990x513.jpg


Russia vowed “the most serious consequences” on Friday if Washington keeps ignoring what it said were its legitimate security concerns over Ukraine.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken had been informed that “further ignoring the legitimate concerns of the Russian Federation…will have the most serious consequences,” the Russian foreign ministry said in a statement following talks between Washington’s top diplomat and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

This is a developing story..
insiderpaper.com

Russia vows 'most serious consequences' if US ignores its concerns - Insider Paper

Russia vowed “the most serious consequences” on Friday if Washington keeps ignoring what it said were its legitimate security concerns over Ukraine. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken had been informed that “further ignoring the legitimate concerns of the Russian Federation…will have the most...
insiderpaper.com insiderpaper.com
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Off the subject a bit, jward, but that's a beautiful picture of one of the Kremlin cathedrals (I don't have them memorized so don't know which one it is). One thing I do know is that every one of them is gorgeous to see, as is the immensity of Red Square. I never invested the time to view Lenin's tomb, visit the cathedrals or any of that touristy stuff but even the wall around the Kremlin is a work of art.
 
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Hi-D

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Hogwrench said:
Might want to pay attention to the RC that is off the coast of California at the border. The other off the west coast of Florida and another steaming towards the gulf. It not how many planes are up. It is what is up and where.
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I watch those things but when you have many things up at one time everywhere like a couple days ago. It to me means worry.
 
jward

jward

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@BobRmhenry
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Two absolutes: 1) Putin knows NATO is a paper tiger & won't stop Russian advances just like 2014 Crimea. 2) Putin knows Russia has adequate reserves to withstand any sanctions the West can impose. In fact, it will hurt Europe more than Russia. Putin holds aces. Biden is a joker.

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NATO has rejected Russia's proposal/demand to withdraw its forces from Romania and Bulgaria.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1484585456167792643
View: https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/status/1484585456167792643?s=20
 
CaryC

CaryC

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While in other news at the same time:

US Mulls Evacuating Diplomats' Family Members From Ukraine; Blinken-Lavrov Meeting 'Positive'
The US State Department is reportedly mulling a plan to evacuate diplomats' family members from Ukraine as a precaution amid the continued crisis wherein Washington has predicted some level of a Russian offensive on the Ukraine border.

At the same time, Russia's embassy in Washington D.C. has been calling on the West to "end the hysteria" - assuring that there are no plans to invade Ukraine. Earlier in the week it issued a message on Twitter, saying, "We stress once again: Russia is not going to attack anyone. The practice of moving troops on our own soil is a sovereign right."
US Embassy, Kiev. via AFP
Days ago there were also Western media reports alleging that Russia was thinning out its embassy presence in Kiev, possibly ahead of military action. The claim was first reported in The New York Times, which the Russian Foreign Ministry blasted as sensationalism and fake news sourced to Ukrainian security services.

A statement said at the time, "Russia’s embassy and consulate general in Ukraine are operating normally." Spokesperson Maria Zakharova wrote further, "They are doing this despite attacks on Russian foreign service workers by Ukrainian radicals, and the provocations of local security forces. But the American media have not and will not cover this."

"If the American newspaper had come to us for comment, it would have learned about the harassment. But then, of course, it would no longer have wanted to publish the whole thing, and it would have lost a chance to once again 'hype up' the theme of 'Russian aggression'."

Concerning the question each side drawing down their embassy personnel, in reality (barring some shock provocation along the border) the situation is likely far from reach that point as of yet.
@RusEmbUSA to @PressSec, @PentagonPresSec and @StateDept:

We stress once again: is not going to attack anyone. The practice of moving troops on our own soil is a sovereign right. We call to end the hysteria and not to pile on tension around the #Donbass problem. pic.twitter.com/gVGjbBUsjJ
— Russian Embassy in USA (@RusEmbUSA) January 19, 2022
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US Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov have wrapped up their meeting in Geneva, where things were generally positive in terms of willingness of both sides to at least further communications and dialogue, and avoid military conflict.

The two sides "agreed to keep talking to try to resolve a crisis that has stoked fears of a military conflict," Reuters writes.
"We didn't expect any major breakthroughs to happen today, but I believe we are on a clearer path in terms of understanding each other's concerns, each others' positions," Blinken said just after the meeting. "Let's see what the next days bring."
Blinken and Lavrov begin talks over Ukraine pic.twitter.com/kVBNk6dLxF
— Missy Ryan (@missy_ryan) January 21, 2022
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"I told him that following the consultations that we'll have in the coming days with allies and partners, we anticipate that we will be able to share with Russia our concerns and ideas in more detail and in writing next week, and we agreed to further discussions after that," Blinken added, while still emphasizing that Moscow's central demands concerning which countries can be in NATO remains a "non-starter".

US Mulls Evacuating Diplomats' Family Members From Ukraine; Blinken-Lavrov Meeting 'Positive' | ZeroHedge

Almost sounds like two different meetings.
 
jward

jward

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Roland Oliphant
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Lavrov says the talks with@SecBlinken were "useful" and "constructive" - and that he will wait for written answers to Russian ultimatums next week before judging "if we are on the right path." Doesn't sound like war. For now.
But then he goes and says he called on the US to exercise its influence over Kyiv to make @ZelenskyyUa implement Minsk agreements (on Russia's terms of course). Making clear Moscow also very clear demand on Ukraine.
Usual Russian positions on other questions. So no movement whatsoever, but no breakdown/resort to war either.
So that's about it. Same deadlock as ever; a preference to talk rather than fight; no obvious way to bridge the gap.
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Hi-D

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Techwreck said:
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Is it just me, or maybe the timing of the photo, but it looks like Lavrov, smiling broadly, is crushing Blinken's hand, and Blinken is trying not to let it show?
Hopefully Lavrov didn't give him a wedgie before the photo.
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I think that Russia has been given concessions. I do not think most people want to see starvation.

Nov 2, 2021
packyderms_wife said:
IIRC this is their third or fourth year with a really bad harvest. They've had extreme flooding in some locations with extreme drought in others several years in a row. And yes this is a HUGE dot!
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"The harvest in Ukraine is excellent. Maybe Mr. Putin plans on sharing."

 
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night driver

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As far as evacuating the embassy, there are a fair number of Marine and Navy organizations who practice that kind of mission REGULARLY and REPEATEDLY. NO huge planning is needed. Just input the Embassy and stand back.
 
Seeker22

Seeker22

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mecoastie said:
There is an acting ambassador and a full staff in the embassy over there. How is there no one to evacuate? Have they already left?
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Elifiknow? There are "Diplomats and Staff" (and families) there, but no Ambasador. This is from today:

Biden leaves key ambassador posts empty in Ukraine, Saudi Arabia, South Korea

A protester stands in protest to denounce the U.S. policies on North Korea near the U.S. Embassy in Seoul, South Korea, Tuesday, Sept. 28, 2021. North Korea on Monday accused the United States of keeping up its "hostile policy" and demanded the Biden administration permanently end joint military exercises with South Korea even as it continued its recent streak of weapons tests apparently aimed at pressuring Washington and Seoul over slow nuclear diplomacy. The sign reads "Suspension of war practice against North Korea and withdrawal of the U.S. troops." (AP Photo/Ahn Young-joon) ** FILE **
A protester stands in protest to denounce the U.S. policies on North Korea near the U.S. Embassy in Seoul, South Korea, Tuesday, Sept. 28, 2021. North Korea on Monday accused the United States of keeping up its "hostile policy" and ... more >

By Guy Taylor The Washington Times - Thursday, January 20, 2022

President Biden has failed to nominate anyone for several strategic ambassadorships a full year into his term in office, with some glaring embassy vacancies leaving key U.S. allies without a strong American voice and increasingly vulnerable to Chinese and Russian influence.
Resolving a long standoff with congressional Republicans, the administration has managed to place ambassadors in Beijing and Moscow. The Senate has confirmed another 54 ambassadors, 10 more than President Trump had by the end of his first year.
Still, the White House hasn’t nominated anyone for such sensitive posts as South Korea or Saudi Arabia. Ukraine, at the center of a raging controversy with Russia that has sparked talk of war, does not know who will be Mr. Biden’s choice as envoy to Kyiv.
Seasoned career Foreign Service diplomats are holding down the fort in those countries as well as in the Philippines, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Hungary, Kazakhstan and others with ambassador vacancies. But by failing to fill the top jobs in key embassies, critics say, Mr. Biden has stumbled on one of the signature promises of his administration.
Roughly a month after arriving in office, Mr. Biden declared that “America is back” and he would restore key foreign alliances that Democrats claimed were severely strained by the Trump presidency and the failure to practice basic diplomacy.
A new wave of far-left candidates out to oust old-guard Democrats

Still, some accuse Mr. Biden of being the one who has left allies out in the cold, with the vacancies in South Korea, which is dealing with the spiraling North Korean nuclear and ballistic missile threat; the Philippines, a treaty ally facing a widening naval standoff with China; and Ukraine, a fledgling democracy staring down a Russian military invasion.
Biden leaves key ambassador posts empty in Ukraine, Saudi Arabia, South Korea
 
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mecoastie

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Seeker22 said:
Elifiknow? There are "Diplomats and Staff" (and families) there, but no Ambasador. This is from today:

Biden leaves key ambassador posts empty in Ukraine, Saudi Arabia, South Korea

A protester stands in protest to denounce the U.S. policies on North Korea near the U.S. Embassy in Seoul, South Korea, Tuesday, Sept. 28, 2021. North Korea on Monday accused the United States of keeping up its "hostile policy" and demanded the Biden administration permanently end joint military exercises with South Korea even as it continued its recent streak of weapons tests apparently aimed at pressuring Washington and Seoul over slow nuclear diplomacy. The sign reads "Suspension of war practice against North Korea and withdrawal of the U.S. troops." (AP Photo/Ahn Young-joon) ** FILE **
A protester stands in protest to denounce the U.S. policies on North Korea near the U.S. Embassy in Seoul, South Korea, Tuesday, Sept. 28, 2021. North Korea on Monday accused the United States of keeping up its "hostile policy" and ... more >

By Guy Taylor The Washington Times - Thursday, January 20, 2022

President Biden has failed to nominate anyone for several strategic ambassadorships a full year into his term in office, with some glaring embassy vacancies leaving key U.S. allies without a strong American voice and increasingly vulnerable to Chinese and Russian influence.
Resolving a long standoff with congressional Republicans, the administration has managed to place ambassadors in Beijing and Moscow. The Senate has confirmed another 54 ambassadors, 10 more than President Trump had by the end of his first year.
Still, the White House hasn’t nominated anyone for such sensitive posts as South Korea or Saudi Arabia. Ukraine, at the center of a raging controversy with Russia that has sparked talk of war, does not know who will be Mr. Biden’s choice as envoy to Kyiv.
Seasoned career Foreign Service diplomats are holding down the fort in those countries as well as in the Philippines, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Hungary, Kazakhstan and others with ambassador vacancies. But by failing to fill the top jobs in key embassies, critics say, Mr. Biden has stumbled on one of the signature promises of his administration.
Roughly a month after arriving in office, Mr. Biden declared that “America is back” and he would restore key foreign alliances that Democrats claimed were severely strained by the Trump presidency and the failure to practice basic diplomacy.
A new wave of far-left candidates out to oust old-guard Democrats

Still, some accuse Mr. Biden of being the one who has left allies out in the cold, with the vacancies in South Korea, which is dealing with the spiraling North Korean nuclear and ballistic missile threat; the Philippines, a treaty ally facing a widening naval standoff with China; and Ukraine, a fledgling democracy staring down a Russian military invasion.
Biden leaves key ambassador posts empty in Ukraine, Saudi Arabia, South Korea
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Kristina Kvien is the acting ambassador. Biden hasnt picked a permanent one. Probably looking at Hunter for the position.
 
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TheSearcher said:
Perhaps. But is there anything to blockade that can't be satisfied by overland routes from the west?
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a huge amount of imports from all over the world comes in by ship through odessa. a lot of stuff , mostly agricultural and dairy comes from poland and holland, but no way the existing system could handle a huge increase.

plus a lot of seafood that is a much bigger mainstay here comes from the black sea.
 
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