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you and the mrs best stay safe too, plz
..the way the aft'noon is unfolding, I'm beginning to suspect I shoulda gone to the bar instead o' the dr.'s
ALERT Regional middleast war thread Israel and Iran at war
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..the way the aft'noon is unfolding, I'm beginning to suspect I shoulda gone to the bar instead o' the dr.'s
AlfaMan
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Here is Rafael's "sell sheet" on the ROCKS system.
https://www.rafael.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/rocks032019.pdf
SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I thought it was an American attack on that base. I read it earlier in the thread just a few posts back. Need confirmation. I would think it was Israel, though.
danielboon
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A Senior Iraqi Official has told that tonight’s Explosions at the Kalsu Base of the Popular Mobilization Force in the Babylon Governorate of Eastern Iraq is believed to have been caused by Israeli Airstrike.
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Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Isn't that BACKWARDS?
That no aid should be given to GAZA until HAMAS releases the hostages?
................not that there are any hostages TO release, any more.................
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OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
The Head of the Security Council in the Babylon Governorate of Eastern Iraq is now reported that after an Initial Assessment, the Impact Craters from whatever Targeted the Kalsu Base of the Popular Mobilization Force (PMF) were roughly 5 Meters Deep and 10 Meters Wide, suggesting that the Base was not Struck with One-Way “Suicide” Drones like was initially believed but instead Missiles.
7:38 PM · Apr 19, 2024
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The Head of the Security Council in the Babylon Governorate of Eastern Iraq is now reported that after an Initial Assessment, the Impact Craters from whatever Targeted the Kalsu Base of the Popular Mobilization Force (PMF) were roughly 5 Meters Deep and 10 Meters Wide, suggesting that the Base was not Struck with One-Way “Suicide” Drones like was initially believed but instead Missiles.
7:38 PM · Apr 19, 2024
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yes, it's been reported that it was American attack by some, and an Israeli attack, by others.
at this time, both countries are denying credit.
- I was disinclined to believe it was american, personally, at the time o' the post, as indicated by the emoji I used- but who knows who's mopping up over there eh.
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U.S. Central Command
@CENTCOM
We are aware of reports claiming that the United States conducted airstrikes in Iraq today. Those reports are not true. The United States has not conducted air strikes in Iraq today.
7:04 PM · Apr 19, 2024
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OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
The Head of the Security Council in the Babylon Governorate of Eastern Iraq is now reported that after an Initial Assessment, the Impact Craters from whatever Targeted the Kalsu Base of the Popular Mobilization Force (PMF) were roughly 5 Meters Deep and 10 Meters Wide, suggesting that the Base was not Struck with One-Way “Suicide” Drones like was initially believed but instead Missiles.
7:38 PM · Apr 19, 2024
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@sentdefender
The Head of the Security Council in the Babylon Governorate of Eastern Iraq is now reported that after an Initial Assessment, the Impact Craters from whatever Targeted the Kalsu Base of the Popular Mobilization Force (PMF) were roughly 5 Meters Deep and 10 Meters Wide, suggesting that the Base was not Struck with One-Way “Suicide” Drones like was initially believed but instead Missiles.
7:38 PM · Apr 19, 2024
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Omar Abu Layla
@OALD24
Here we go …
The Iraqi militias have started a narrative, blaming or implicating America in the attack, saying:
The aircraft that bombed Babylon in Iraq took off from Base Tower 22 in the Rukban area, northeast of Jordan, near the Jordanian-Syrian border.
Previously, Iraqi militias (Kata'ib Hezbollah) killed 3 American soldiers near Tower 22 on the Jordanian-Syrian border.
Through this narrative, they are including that they will return to target and attack the American bases in Syria.
Everything that happens in Israel, Iraq, Lebanon and Syria, is because of Khamenei’s regime!
5:47 PM · Apr 19, 2024
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@OALD24
Here we go …
The Iraqi militias have started a narrative, blaming or implicating America in the attack, saying:
The aircraft that bombed Babylon in Iraq took off from Base Tower 22 in the Rukban area, northeast of Jordan, near the Jordanian-Syrian border.
Previously, Iraqi militias (Kata'ib Hezbollah) killed 3 American soldiers near Tower 22 on the Jordanian-Syrian border.
Through this narrative, they are including that they will return to target and attack the American bases in Syria.
Everything that happens in Israel, Iraq, Lebanon and Syria, is because of Khamenei’s regime!
5:47 PM · Apr 19, 2024
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Indo-Pacific News - Geo-Politics & Defense
@IndoPac_Info
1) #Israel fired 3 missiles in a limited attack meant to be a warning to #Iran
Iran decided to end the escalation ladder by not acknowledging the attack.
Israel used a secret air-launched missile of the Sparrow family with 2 stages and a fairly long range.
The first stage of 2 missiles were found in Iraq.
In 2013, Rafael, which makes the Sparrow targets, tested the latest version, dubbed Silver Sparrow. This two-stage version was designed to simulate Iranian Shahab-3 class ballistic missiles with a 1,500-2,000 kilometer range and can notably carry a live high-explosive warhead.
And in 2019, Rafael unveiled an air-launched ballistic missile dubbed Rocks, which was apparently based on the Black Sparrow, the earliest version of the target missile family.
At the time, the Israeli defense company didn’t disclose the range of Rocks. However, it said that the missile has “a very significant standoff range” and “a high-velocity trajectory towards the target.”
Rafael also produces the Blue Sparrow version, which is size wise in the middle between the Silver Sparrow and the Black Sparrow.
Rocks missile is made up of a single stage. This means that the missiles used in the attack on Iran were based either on the Silver Sparrow or more likely on a secret, modified version of the Blue Sparrow, whose size is more comparable to the remains found in Iraq. These two types are typically deployed from F-15 fighter jets.
Isfahan air base is located more than 1,000 kilometers away from Israel. However ,it is unlikely that Israeli F-15 fighter jets launched from within the country’s airspace.
A series of Israeli strikes that targeted radar and air defense sites in southern Syria around the same time as the attack on Iran and the fact that the missiles’ first stage were found in central Iraq indicate that Israeli F-15 fighter jets launched their missiles from some area along the border between Syria, Jordan and Iraq. Thus, the range of the secret Israeli missile could be around 800 kilometers.
The attack on Isfahan, home to several key nuclear facilities, was not apparently meant to cause damage to the air base, but rather to send a message to Iran that the Israeli military can strike deep in its territory.
However, in doing so Israel exposed one of its top secret capabilities and provided Iran with an example of the tactics it will use during an all-out conflict.
Note: I used some background info from the SouthFront organization.
View: https://twitter.com/IndoPac_Info/status/1781514360470511639
@IndoPac_Info
1) #Israel fired 3 missiles in a limited attack meant to be a warning to #Iran
Iran decided to end the escalation ladder by not acknowledging the attack.
Israel used a secret air-launched missile of the Sparrow family with 2 stages and a fairly long range.
The first stage of 2 missiles were found in Iraq.
In 2013, Rafael, which makes the Sparrow targets, tested the latest version, dubbed Silver Sparrow. This two-stage version was designed to simulate Iranian Shahab-3 class ballistic missiles with a 1,500-2,000 kilometer range and can notably carry a live high-explosive warhead.
And in 2019, Rafael unveiled an air-launched ballistic missile dubbed Rocks, which was apparently based on the Black Sparrow, the earliest version of the target missile family.
At the time, the Israeli defense company didn’t disclose the range of Rocks. However, it said that the missile has “a very significant standoff range” and “a high-velocity trajectory towards the target.”
Rafael also produces the Blue Sparrow version, which is size wise in the middle between the Silver Sparrow and the Black Sparrow.
Rocks missile is made up of a single stage. This means that the missiles used in the attack on Iran were based either on the Silver Sparrow or more likely on a secret, modified version of the Blue Sparrow, whose size is more comparable to the remains found in Iraq. These two types are typically deployed from F-15 fighter jets.
Isfahan air base is located more than 1,000 kilometers away from Israel. However ,it is unlikely that Israeli F-15 fighter jets launched from within the country’s airspace.
A series of Israeli strikes that targeted radar and air defense sites in southern Syria around the same time as the attack on Iran and the fact that the missiles’ first stage were found in central Iraq indicate that Israeli F-15 fighter jets launched their missiles from some area along the border between Syria, Jordan and Iraq. Thus, the range of the secret Israeli missile could be around 800 kilometers.
The attack on Isfahan, home to several key nuclear facilities, was not apparently meant to cause damage to the air base, but rather to send a message to Iran that the Israeli military can strike deep in its territory.
However, in doing so Israel exposed one of its top secret capabilities and provided Iran with an example of the tactics it will use during an all-out conflict.
Note: I used some background info from the SouthFront organization.
View: https://twitter.com/IndoPac_Info/status/1781514360470511639
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Mario Nawfal
@MarioNawfal
DRONE STRIKE TARGETS EILAT, ISRAEL, IN RESPONSE TO PMF STRIKES
The Islamic Resistance in Iraq:
"We targeted with drones a vital target in Eilat, southern Israel - The attack is a response to the Zionist enemy’s violation of Iraqi sovereignty and its targeting of the PMF headquarters."
However, an Israeli official denies any involvement in recent explosions reported in Iraq.
Source: WarMonitor, CNN
@MarioNawfal
DRONE STRIKE TARGETS EILAT, ISRAEL, IN RESPONSE TO PMF STRIKES
The Islamic Resistance in Iraq:
"We targeted with drones a vital target in Eilat, southern Israel - The attack is a response to the Zionist enemy’s violation of Iraqi sovereignty and its targeting of the PMF headquarters."
However, an Israeli official denies any involvement in recent explosions reported in Iraq.
Source: WarMonitor, CNN
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Sulaiman Ahmed
@ShaykhSulaiman
BREAKING: PLANE THAT BOMBED IRAQ CAME FROM JORDAN
According to an Iraqi security source, the plane that bombed Babylon in Iraq departed from the Burj 22 base in the Rukban area, northeastern Jordan, near the Jordanian-Syrian border.
View: https://twitter.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1781454357411606955
Johnny Twoguns
Senior Member
Yes, this morning it looked like the Phony War of 1939. Not so much now. It could have ended last night, but now Israel is pushing Iran's face into it. On top of that, Russia might feel compelled to take some steps, as their Air Defense was made to look pretty poor, the old stuff anyway.
Johnny Twoguns
Senior Member
Yeah, I'm not buying it. Jordan wouldn't do it and the US has a very large Iraqi delegation in the US all week. It makes no sense for the USA to invite more bloodshed in Iraq.
Sulaiman Ahmed
@ShaykhSulaiman
BREAKING: PLANE THAT BOMBED IRAQ CAME FROM JORDAN
According to an Iraqi security source, the plane that bombed Babylon in Iraq departed from the Burj 22 base in the Rukban area, northeastern Jordan, near the Jordanian-Syrian border.
View: https://twitter.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1781454357411606955
blueinterceptor
Veteran Member
If Iran had the bomb, they’d have sent it. When and if they develop it. They’ll send it.
The question now is. Does Israel wait until Iran proves they have it. Or do they (Israel) preemptively strike
The question now is. Does Israel wait until Iran proves they have it. Or do they (Israel) preemptively strike
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Knoxville's Joker
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Might be a Russian False flag, hell could have been Turkey...
Knoxville's Joker
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I suspect Israel may push things a little more to remind folks their stuff is garbage...
Johnny Twoguns
Senior Member
Yeah, cause you know, all that NATO stuff has just been crushing Russia the last two years.
Profit of Doom
Dismember
Consider the source.Isn't that BACKWARDS?
That no aid should be given to GAZA until HAMAS releases the hostages?
................not that there are any hostages TO release, any more.................
Knoxville's Joker
Has No Life - Lives on TB
This means the banking cartels are pulling out from under HAMAS.
I saw a pic that was supposedly that crater--it was IMO a very large hole
GammaRat
Veteran Member
The attack on Iranian targets from Iraqi airspace was a big F@CK YOU to the United States.
America knew about the attack and told Israel not to enter Iranian airspace.
Israel's method of attack bypassed Biden's demand.
The fact is, Israel is fighting a hot war against Iran and a political war with the US.
The US is not their friend.
America knew about the attack and told Israel not to enter Iranian airspace.
Israel's method of attack bypassed Biden's demand.
The fact is, Israel is fighting a hot war against Iran and a political war with the US.
The US is not their friend.
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It wouldn’t be the first time they’ve had to preemptively strike. If they do strike against Iran’s nuclear capability they will be condemned for it. Even though they are making the world safer.
Imagine how different the first Gulf War would've been if Israel hadn’t destroyed the nuclear reactor Iraq was building in 1981. It’s interesting that Iran had tried and failed to destroy the same reactor a year before Israel completed the job.
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O my. Here's a bed time story best read in the full light o' day 
Pepe Escobar
@RealPepeEscobar
EXCLUSIVE
THE REAL STORY OF THE ISRAELI COUNTER RESPONSE
From a very high level intel source.
In Asia.
NOT Russia-China.
Although the strategic partnership, of course, exchanges at the highest level 24-7.
Confirmed and re-confirmed.
It will be great to know what Sy Hersh hears from his Beltway sources.
Here we go.
Israel initially chose to respond with extreme force.
An F-35 loaded with a nuclear bomb was sent east over Jordan.
The mission: cause a high-altitude detonation over Iran that would provoke a surge in the high-capacity power lines, crippling Iran's electric grid, as well as disabling all electronic devices.
An EMP attack.
However...
... As the Israeli F-35 was leaving Jordanian airspace it was shot down by the Russian Air Force.
Hence the publicised version of the Israeli counter response was such a travesty.
In the end all sides decided not to publicise the real news - to de-escalate what could well turn into WWIII.
6:51 AM · Apr 20, 2024
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Pepe Escobar
@RealPepeEscobar
EXCLUSIVE
THE REAL STORY OF THE ISRAELI COUNTER RESPONSE
From a very high level intel source.
In Asia.
NOT Russia-China.
Although the strategic partnership, of course, exchanges at the highest level 24-7.
Confirmed and re-confirmed.
It will be great to know what Sy Hersh hears from his Beltway sources.
Here we go.
Israel initially chose to respond with extreme force.
An F-35 loaded with a nuclear bomb was sent east over Jordan.
The mission: cause a high-altitude detonation over Iran that would provoke a surge in the high-capacity power lines, crippling Iran's electric grid, as well as disabling all electronic devices.
An EMP attack.
However...
... As the Israeli F-35 was leaving Jordanian airspace it was shot down by the Russian Air Force.
Hence the publicised version of the Israeli counter response was such a travesty.
In the end all sides decided not to publicise the real news - to de-escalate what could well turn into WWIII.
6:51 AM · Apr 20, 2024
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Joe Truzman
@JoeTruzman
A section of the PMF's Kalsu base targeted by an airstrike overnight in Babil.
View: https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1781544326868430861
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Al Mayadeen English
@MayadeenEnglish
In an interview with NBC News earlier on Friday, Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian said the recent attack on #Isfahan was "not a strike," adding, "They were more like toys that our children play with – not drones."
He clarified that "As long as there is no new adventurism by Israel against our interests, then we are not going to have any new reactions."
However, the FM reiterated that if "Israel" "takes decisive action against my country and this is proven to us, our response will be immediate and to the maximum, and will cause them to regret it."
Regarding the #Iranian retaliation, Amir-Abdollahian said it was "a warning," highlighting that Tehran "could have hit Haifa and Tel Aviv...We could have also targeted all the economic ports of Israel."
However, the Minister emphasized, "Our red line was civilians...we only had a military purpose."
@MayadeenEnglish
In an interview with NBC News earlier on Friday, Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian said the recent attack on #Isfahan was "not a strike," adding, "They were more like toys that our children play with – not drones."
He clarified that "As long as there is no new adventurism by Israel against our interests, then we are not going to have any new reactions."
However, the FM reiterated that if "Israel" "takes decisive action against my country and this is proven to us, our response will be immediate and to the maximum, and will cause them to regret it."
Regarding the #Iranian retaliation, Amir-Abdollahian said it was "a warning," highlighting that Tehran "could have hit Haifa and Tel Aviv...We could have also targeted all the economic ports of Israel."
However, the Minister emphasized, "Our red line was civilians...we only had a military purpose."
Echo 5
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As crazy as it sounds, that would explain the insane radio traffic a few nights ago.O my. Here's a bed time story best read in the full light o' day
Pepe Escobar
@RealPepeEscobar
EXCLUSIVE
THE REAL STORY OF THE ISRAELI COUNTER RESPONSE
From a very high level intel source.
In Asia.
NOT Russia-China.
Although the strategic partnership, of course, exchanges at the highest level 24-7.
Confirmed and re-confirmed.
It will be great to know what Sy Hersh hears from his Beltway sources.
Here we go.
Israel initially chose to respond with extreme force.
An F-35 loaded with a nuclear bomb was sent east over Jordan.
The mission: cause a high-altitude detonation over Iran that would provoke a surge in the high-capacity power lines, crippling Iran's electric grid, as well as disabling all electronic devices.
An EMP attack.
However...
... As the Israeli F-35 was leaving Jordanian airspace it was shot down by the Russian Air Force.
Hence the publicised version of the Israeli counter response was such a travesty.
In the end all sides decided not to publicise the real news - to de-escalate what could well turn into WWIII.
6:51 AM · Apr 20, 2024
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anney
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Oh that's got to be fiction in it's finest.O my. Here's a bed time story best read in the full light o' day
Pepe Escobar
@RealPepeEscobar
EXCLUSIVE
THE REAL STORY OF THE ISRAELI COUNTER RESPONSE
From a very high level intel source.
In Asia.
NOT Russia-China.
Although the strategic partnership, of course, exchanges at the highest level 24-7.
Confirmed and re-confirmed.
It will be great to know what Sy Hersh hears from his Beltway sources.
Here we go.
Israel initially chose to respond with extreme force.
An F-35 loaded with a nuclear bomb was sent east over Jordan.
The mission: cause a high-altitude detonation over Iran that would provoke a surge in the high-capacity power lines, crippling Iran's electric grid, as well as disabling all electronic devices.
An EMP attack.
However...
... As the Israeli F-35 was leaving Jordanian airspace it was shot down by the Russian Air Force.
Hence the publicised version of the Israeli counter response was such a travesty.
In the end all sides decided not to publicise the real news - to de-escalate what could well turn into WWIII.
6:51 AM · Apr 20, 2024
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Jason Brodsky
@JasonMBrodsky
Worth asking @StateDept
about this: "The Iranians were informed that there would be Israeli activity via two regional channels carrying a message from the U.S."
amwaj.media
Exclusive: Iran’s military stays on ‘high alert’ as diplomacy ‘relies on Gaza’
Ali HashemMohammad Ali Shabani
1–2 minutes
While details remain unclear, Israel is suspected of having targeted military sites in central Iran and early warning facilities in Syria. The Iranians were informed that there would be Israeli activity via two regional channels carrying a message from the US, Amwaj.media has learned. Speaking on condition of anonymity, an Arab diplomatic source alleged that Israel was planning to strike earlier this week, but that the targets it chose were vetoed by the Joe Biden administration. Amwaj.media could not independently confirm this assertion.
Separately, a source in Beirut familiar with Hezbollah-Iran dynamics stated that aside from Iran’s Apr. 14 drone and missile strike on Israel, Hezbollah’s intensified operations in past days “carried a message that should have been absorbed well in Israel.” The Lebanese movement recently fired at least two attack drones, leaving multiple Israel soldiers injured with some in critical condition...
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amwaj.media
@JasonMBrodsky
Worth asking @StateDept
about this: "The Iranians were informed that there would be Israeli activity via two regional channels carrying a message from the U.S."
amwaj.media
Exclusive: Iran’s military stays on ‘high alert’ as diplomacy ‘relies on Gaza’
Ali HashemMohammad Ali Shabani
1–2 minutes
While details remain unclear, Israel is suspected of having targeted military sites in central Iran and early warning facilities in Syria. The Iranians were informed that there would be Israeli activity via two regional channels carrying a message from the US, Amwaj.media has learned. Speaking on condition of anonymity, an Arab diplomatic source alleged that Israel was planning to strike earlier this week, but that the targets it chose were vetoed by the Joe Biden administration. Amwaj.media could not independently confirm this assertion.
Separately, a source in Beirut familiar with Hezbollah-Iran dynamics stated that aside from Iran’s Apr. 14 drone and missile strike on Israel, Hezbollah’s intensified operations in past days “carried a message that should have been absorbed well in Israel.” The Lebanese movement recently fired at least two attack drones, leaving multiple Israel soldiers injured with some in critical condition...
rest of story requires registration to read
Exclusive: Iran’s military stays on ‘high alert’ as diplomacy ‘relies on Gaza’
While details remain unclear, Israel is suspected of having targeted military sites in central Iran and early warning facilities in Syria. The Iranians were informed that there would be Israeli activity via two regional channels carrying a message from the US, Amwaj.media has learned. Speaking...
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Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian
@manniefabian
The IDF has been carrying out a counter-terrorism operation in the West Bank's Nur Shams refugee camp for more than 40 hours now, the military says.
Amid the raid near Tulkarem, at least 10 gunmen have been killed and eight wanted Palestinians have been detained, according to the IDF.
The IDF says the troops also discovered and destroyed a bomb-making lab, and seized firearms, including assault rifles.
Eight soldiers and a Border Police officer have been wounded so far amid the operation. They are listed in light and moderate conditions.
@manniefabian
The IDF has been carrying out a counter-terrorism operation in the West Bank's Nur Shams refugee camp for more than 40 hours now, the military says.
Amid the raid near Tulkarem, at least 10 gunmen have been killed and eight wanted Palestinians have been detained, according to the IDF.
The IDF says the troops also discovered and destroyed a bomb-making lab, and seized firearms, including assault rifles.
Eight soldiers and a Border Police officer have been wounded so far amid the operation. They are listed in light and moderate conditions.
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Omar Abu Layla
@OALD24
Two weeks ago, on Quds Day, all Iraqi militia leaders openly threatened Israel. One of the prominent figures was the Chief of Staff of the Popular Mobilization Forces, "Abu Fadak."
It seems Israel knows how and when to strike, not just in retaliation for the recent attack from Iran.
View: https://twitter.com/OALD24/status/1781597856723333177
@OALD24
Two weeks ago, on Quds Day, all Iraqi militia leaders openly threatened Israel. One of the prominent figures was the Chief of Staff of the Popular Mobilization Forces, "Abu Fadak."
It seems Israel knows how and when to strike, not just in retaliation for the recent attack from Iran.
View: https://twitter.com/OALD24/status/1781597856723333177
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you really didn't miss much- both iran's attack and israel's rebuttal were over and done with almost before we knew that they had gotten started.
-you probably watched the better show.