CORONA Problems with J&J vaccine?

[FireDance]

Was scheduled to have J&J on Weds. Yesterday, I tagged a fellow RN to see if she had still managed to avoid getting her “vax”. (Yes)

Anyway, we had already had the talk about whether we would take it eons ago and both decided it was not happening.

But. She said the inside baseball on the J&J is that it’s about to be pulled from the market. No source for this info, but she works in a large university hospital, so I imagine that was where she picked it up.

The kicker was that she pointed out that this vax is only about 64% effective against whatever it’s against (little joke there).

Tomorrow I shall call and cancel my appointment and go back to the wait and see method. If that’s all they have as far as efficacy, it is not worth bothering with. That’s just my opinion.

The information about it is possibly being pulled from the market was THE information that rattled my cage.

Again, cases are so low in our area/state at this moment, I think I can afford to wait anyway.

 

[TerryK]

I wonder if there is anything to this

Breaking Study Sheds More Light on Whether an RNA Vaccine Can Permanently Alter DNA

Part 2- Will an RNA Vaccine Permanently Alter My DNA?

sciencewithdrdoug.com

In my previous blog, “Will an RNA Vaccine Permanently Alter My DNA?”, I laid out several molecular pathways that would potentially enable the RNA in an mRNA vaccine to be copied and permanently integrated into our DNA. I was absolutely not surprised to find that the majority of people claimed that this prospect was impossible; in fact, I was expecting this response – partly because most people don’t possess a deep enough understanding of molecular biology, and partly because of other implicit biases.

After all, we’ve been told in no uncertain terms that it would be impossible for the mRNA in a vaccine to become integrated into our DNA, simply because “RNA doesn’t work that way.” Well, this current research which was released not too long after my original article demonstrates that yes, indeed, “RNA does work that way”. In my original article, I spelled out this exact molecular pathway.

Specifically, a new study by MIT and Harvard scientists demonstrates that segments of the RNA from the coronavirus itself are most likely becoming a permanent fixture in human DNA. (study linked below). This was once thought near impossible, for the same reasons which are presented to assure us that an RNA vaccine could accomplish no such feat. Against the tides of current biological dogma, these researchers found that the genetic segments of this RNA virus are more than likely making their way into our genome. They also found that the exact pathway that I laid out in in my original article is more than likely the pathway being used (retrotransposon, and in particular a LINE-1 element) for this retro-integration to occur.

more at link

I kind of doubt it.
Dr Doug is primarily an author of various books ranging from religion's relation to science, to essential oils to theories on Covid.
Even in his explanation on his website, he admits that it is conjecture on his part and is highly unlikely.
He also says that if his conjectures were true then every time we catch a different cold or other virus, it would likely become a permanent part of our DNA. That clearly doesn't happen.
In his conjecture he even says when we catch Covid or indeed any virus, it could also permanently modify our DNA.
Hell, if you research further, you will find that even a minor bacterial infection can sometimes enter a cell and the potential for it's DNA and RNA could cause permanent modification to a body's DNA. There is no end to this line of conjecture.
And if one is to guard against it's consequences one would treat getting any infection no matter how minor as potential permanent modification to ones DNA. Again this has not been shown to happen.

Again, Dr Doug, although he lists a impressive series of accomplishments, now seems to primarily write books for the layman. He is not an active researcher. Instead he takes research (some valid and some not so valid) in a myriad of areas and forms theories about how they would represent reality. Amazon lists 3 of his books. 2 on essential oils and one about how God reveals himself in the physics of Light.
His theories are interesting, but I would lend more credence to actual valid research being done now.

 

[TerryK]

All vaccines have the potential for problems, sometimes even deaths.

Medical pros argue that the risk is less than the disease they are trying to protect you from.

But in an environment where trust has been broken and an individual cannot be sure that the reports are not 'filtered' regarding the negative outcomes, it's no wonder that there's a significant % of the population that's just not interested...

I actually agree with this, but it applies to the effects of vaccines as well as the seriousness and effects of the disease.
Both have been lied about.
Trust has been destroyed about the potential effects of the vaccines and ALSO about claims that the disease really isn't that serious.

Do the vaccines have side effects. Yep, all vaccines have side effects. Are they sometimes exaggerated? Yep, very frequently.
Does covid kill a lot of people? Yep, despite claims to the contrary, it has killed enough people in most countries that it has reduced the life expectancy by over a year in the US and Europe.
A good way of looking at Covid deaths is to see how much the over all reported deaths for any reason is greater in 2020 than in 2019. This tells us that Russia lied about their Covid deaths. Their deaths in 2020 were several hundred thousand more than in 2019.

Anyway the media is filled with lies on both sides, so an abundance of caution and skepticism is completely warranted.

 

[Dennis Olson]

But. She said the inside baseball on the J&J is that it’s about to be pulled from the market. No source for this info, but she works in a large university hospital, so I imagine that was where she picked it up.

The kicker was that she pointed out that this vax is only about 64% effective against whatever it’s against (little joke there).

Tomorrow I shall call and cancel my appointment and go back to the wait and see method. If that’s all they have as far as efficacy, it is not worth bothering with. That’s just my opinion.

A couple points. First, though the j&j vax isn’t as effective at keeping you from getting it, in trials it was 100% effective at keeping people from needing hospitalization, and from dying. Further, their trials used a much larger sample size.

 

[Melodi]

I have three friends, all nurses in their early forties who died from taking the moderna vaccine I think it was. Two within eighteen hours two were dead and two weeks later another was dead later after going into a coma within eighteen hours of taking the vaccine.

Now, this is what I mean by severe side effects being under-reported in the mainstream media compared to a few people sadly having blood clots or other blood reactions to the J and J vaccine which are being hyped up.

Again, Nightwolf has pointed out that the serious blood issues with both non-mRNA vaccines make sense because COVID-19 can also cause them (per the medical literature) so it makes perfect sense that an injection that causes a mild immune response in the old fashioned way might produce the same symptoms.

Doctors need to know this so they can advise patients with blood disorders, conditions that tend to clause clotting, and even give some people medications that help to prevent blood clots from forming before being given the injections.

But I am really starting to think there is a push to demonize or get rid of non mRNA vaccines altogether.

Nightwolf just said: "remember the vaccine isn't causing the blood clots/blood problems, it is the body's immune response that is causing them, and if we know in advance this is possible there are medications a doctor can use to help lower the risk of clotting."

He also wondered if the reason Pfizer and Madura are not attacking each other's vaccines, which you would expect if this was only human greed because "they realized if there is actually a severe problem with the mRNA technology then both of them are in trouble, so they are sticking together to defend it."

 

[TerryK]

Again, Nightwolf has pointed out that the serious blood issues with both non-mRNA vaccines make sense because COVID-19 can also cause them (per the medical literature) so it makes perfect sense that an injection that causes a mild immune response in the old fashioned way might produce the same symptoms.

But I am really starting to think there is a push to demonize or get rid of non mRNA vaccines altogether.

He also wondered if the reason Pfizer and Madura are not attacking each other's vaccines, which you would expect if this was only human greed because "they realized if there is actually a severe problem with the mRNA technology then both of them are in trouble, so they are sticking together to defend it."

Melodi, is Nightwolf a doctor yet? If so, then he should know that all the Pfizer and Moderna are mRNA vaccines, AND that the J&J and even the EU AstroZenica vaccines actually use viral DNA to make mRNA that makes the spikes the same as Pfizer and Moderna. mRNA is the end product of all the vaccines.

The end result is that all the vaccines are in one way or another using mRNA in the exact same way to produce covid spikes that cause your immune system to react and build immunity to a future infection.

 

[night driver]

J&J lists inactivated virus as their active ingredient. At least that is what they show on their recipient lit I saw. Which ain't mRNA operation.

 

[Dozdoats]

If you refuse all of them, you don't have to worry about what is in any of them.

 

[hunybee]

....And I’d kill to have a loss of appetite.

i'll trade ya!

i wish i had one!

 

[ginnie6]

I am praying there aren't problems with this one. Dh is scheduled to take it this week. His work is strongly "encouraging " the vaccine. Even made him an appt for one of the other ones but he told them he wasn't doing that one. Not feeling good about any of them.

 

[bassgirl]

All my nursing buddies, are refusing to take the mRNA and waiting for the J&J. Read somewhere that 60% of healthcare workers are refusing the vaccines. That’s is why they are probably pulling it. It is not as effective and over half of all healthcare workers refuse the other two.
The powers That be, cant be having any of that.

They cannot force anyone to take it....until....it becomes FDA approved vaccine. Once that happens it will be mandatory.

 

[Heliobas Disciple]

Melodi, is Nightwolf a doctor yet? If so, then he should know that all the Pfizer and Moderna are mRNA vaccines, AND that the J&J and even the EU AstroZenica vaccines actually use viral DNA to make mRNA that makes the spikes the same as Pfizer and Moderna. mRNA is the end product of all the vaccines.

The end result is that all the vaccines are in one way or another using mRNA in the exact same way to produce covid spikes that cause your immune system to react and build immunity to a future infection.

You are correct but to be fair to Melodi and especially Nightwolf - and not speaking for him as I obviously do not know what he meant - BUT - the delivery of the MRNA is done differently in the Moderna and Pfizer vs the J&J and AstraZenica and that may be to what he was referring. Moderna and Pfizer deliver the MRNA in wrapped in a protein and J&J deliver it by injecting the instructions inside an inactivated virus that goes straight into the DNA and have your DNA create it for you (instead of skipping that step by just injecting the MRNA the way the first ones do). J&J ADDS a step by asking your DNA to produce the MRNA that Pfizer and Moderna inject directly. So maybe what Nightwolf is saying is that the DELIVERY method of J& and Astozeneca - ie: going directly into the DNA of the cell - is what's causing the blood clotting - not the MRNA part. I'm not a doctor and I didn't play one on TV and haven't stayed at a Holiday Inn in decades, so I don't know if that's actually WHY Astrozeneca and J&J have more of the blood clotting issues but that may be what he was thinking out.

J&J lists inactivated virus as their active ingredient. At least that is what they show on their recipient lit I saw. Which ain't mRNA operation.

Yes it is. THEY ARE ALL MRNA VACCINES. Terry has provided so much information in so many posts it amazes me that posters aren't getting that. J&J uses the inactivated virus to get access to your DNA so as to have your own DNA produce that same MRNA that creates the spike protein - the other two skip that step and just inject MRNA directly. But BOTH USE MRNA. Search Terryk and MRNA and you should pull up most of his posts on the subject, he has been a font of knowledge on this. People need to educate themselves and Terry is helping them do that. The snarky part (especially to melodi) is not the most helpful, but the rest of it is. And not picking on you ND, there seems to be a general erroneous consensus on TB about the J&J vaccine - but considering your background in medicine I thought you'd be the one to point it out to so hopefully you can also help to set the record straight going forward.

HD

 

[FireDance]

A couple points. First, though the j&j vax isn’t as effective at keeping you from getting it, in trials it was 100% effective at keeping people from needing hospitalization, and from dying. Further, their trials used a much larger sample size.

Meh. I’m not really worried about what the stats say. You know all about stats. But, there is that “niggle” that just keeps saying “wait”. Usually that means something important for ME. No one else.

I would take it over the others. But like I said, it’s my gut telling me something. Not sure what yet and may never know.

It’s not a matter of right/wrong decision. But something is not sitting well with me on it. ???

 

[Melodi]

Melodi, is Nightwolf a doctor yet? If so, then he should know that all the Pfizer and Moderna are mRNA vaccines, AND that the J&J and even the EU AstroZenica vaccines actually use viral DNA to make mRNA that makes the spikes the same as Pfizer and Moderna. mRNA is the end product of all the vaccines.

The end result is that all the vaccines are in one way or another using mRNA in the exact same way to produce covid spikes that cause your immune system to react and build immunity to a future infection.

He knows the difference, he actually said (and I didn't quote it) that all the vaccines provoke an immune response so any of them might cause the blood clot and other issues.

He has also done extensive research on this (even going into every medical report Pfizer had out there before the vaccine was released) and the technologies ARE different.

The old vaccines work by provoking an immune response by introducing exposure to the virus (in minute quantities) the mRNA vaccines do things I don't pretend to understand but he does, and it is a different and experimental way of tweeting the mRNA.

I can try to get him to write all the details, I think he did a few months ago and it was quite long and involved.

He decided not to go for an MD but he does professional medical research with his Father who is a well-known MD, they write papers together and such. He has three years of medical school plus months of rotations.

 

[TerriHaute]

Remember folks, fever, aches and soreness at the site is the normal side effects of MOST vaccines, Covid or not. So I don't really consider them a "side effect" in terms of what we are looking for.

The other thing to remember is that the COVID vaccines are being administered to large numbers of people at the same time. Hundreds of people are taking the shot per day per vaccination site so when 8 or 12 people react in one location, it seems like a lot. It is not unusual for a small number of people to have strong reactions to vaccines, you just don't normally hear about it because vaccines are typically administered in a staggered way at doctor's offices or pharmacies. In those settings, a reaction is extremely rare.

 

[inskanoot]

Melodi, what does Nightwolf think about the fact that all or most of the COVID vaccines did not meet the definition of a vaccine until the definition of a vaccine was changed?

 

[TXKajun]

Sweetie and I got the J&J jab yesterday. No ill effects whatsoever. In fact, someone got a picture of us about 2 hours after, when we were shopping. Sorry to cut this short but I gotta go get a banana that I'm really craving.

 

[bev]

All vaccines have the potential for problems, sometimes even deaths.

Medical pros argue that the risk is less than the disease they are trying to protect you from.

But in an environment where trust has been broken and an individual cannot be sure that the reports are not 'filtered' regarding the negative outcomes, it's no wonder that there's a significant % of the population that's just not interested...

I remember Trump saying something like “the cure can’t be worse than the virus.”

 

[TerryK]

J&J lists inactivated virus as their active ingredient. At least that is what they show on their recipient lit I saw. Which ain't mRNA operation.

ND,
SEriously every Covid vaccine uses mRNA directly or indirectly.
Pfizer and Moderna inject it directly and use lipid droplets to get it into your cell cytoplasm
J&J uses a genetically modified adeno virus that has had it's DNA modified, to prevent it from replicating. The modified DNA can only produce a mRNA strand that goes out of the nucleus into the cells cytoplasm and just like Pfizer or Moderna produces Covid protein spikes to stimulate the immune response in your immune system.
So while the J&J doesn't contain mRNA when injected, it does produce mRNA once it enters your cells.
In all cases mRNA is what produces the Covid spikes.

None of the current Covid Vaccines work like conventional vaccines by injecting weakened or killed Covid virus or parts of Covid virus. They all work by getting your own body to produce the Covid spikes which then trigger your immune system before they are destroyed..

 

[toxic avenger]

Wife and I got the J&J single shot today. Noticed slight itching sensations in random parts that came and went, nothing else. Will update if there are any other effects.

Here is my report so far:
Wife and I received the J&J vaccine at 2:45 pm yesterday. For the first few hours we experienced occasional slight itching coming and going. My wife had pain and slight swelling at the injection site.

At around 11:45 last night I began to suddenly feel pressure in my head and face, my wife said I looked very flushed. A fever and muscle pain throughout my entire body came shortly afterwards. Couldnt sleep much last night with the muscle pain and frequent urination.

Took 2 tylenol around 8am and had a good nap until around 12:30 pm. Woke feeling 10 times better but still a little unwell. Felt the relief of the tylenol wearing off around 4:30 pm and took 2 more tablets. Fatigue came around 6 or so and I returned to napping at around 7pm.

Woke up around 1am feeling much better, but definitely not at 100%

Wife has been sleeping on and off and did not experience the muscle aches. Only an occasional slight fever. Still has the pain at the injection site

 

[TerryK]

"Melodi,
He knows the difference, he actually said (and I didn't quote it) that all the vaccines provoke an immune response so any of them might cause the blood clot and other issues.

He has also done extensive research on this (even going into every medical report Pfizer had out there before the vaccine was released) and the technologies ARE different.

The old vaccines work by provoking an immune response by introducing exposure to the virus (in minute quantities) the mRNA vaccines do things I don't pretend to understand but he does, and it is a different and experimental way of tweeting the mRNA.

TerryK
Not necessarily a minute quantity. That has nothing to do with it.
Actually the conventional old style vaccines work by injecting a weakened or killed virus or parts of a virus. The spikes on the covid virus are particularly useful in helping your immune system identify the covid virus.
And definitely not "tweeting" the RNA Your immune system reacts by learning to recognize and defend against these strange but relatively harmless pieces of a virus or dead virus.
mRNA vaccines work by, instead of injecting covid spikes into your body, they make your body produce it's own covid spikes, which then work the same way a regular vaccine works in triggering your immune system to defend against covid.
Melodi you know so much about archeology, but so little about biology. The imbalance is striking. If you would improve your knowledge about biology it would also help with your study of archeology.

 

[TerryK]

Here is my report so far:
Wife and I received the J&J vaccine at 2:45 pm yesterday. For the first few hours we experienced occasional slight itching coming and going. My wife had pain and slight swelling at the injection site.

At around 11:45 last night I began to suddenly feel pressure in my head and face, my wife said I looked very flushed. A fever and muscle pain throughout my entire body came shortly afterwards. Couldnt sleep much last night with the muscle pain and frequent urination.

Took 2 tylenol around 8am and had a good nap until around 12:30 pm. Woke feeling 10 times better but still a little unwell. Felt the relief of the tylenol wearing off around 4:30 pm and took 2 more tablets. Fatigue came around 6 or so and I returned to napping at around 7pm.

Woke up around 1am feeling much better, but definitely not at 100%

Wife has been sleeping on and off and did not experience the muscle aches. Only an occasional slight fever. Still has the pain at the injection site

Here is my report so far:
Wife and I received the J&J vaccine at 2:45 pm yesterday. For the first few hours we experienced occasional slight itching coming and going. My wife had pain and slight swelling at the injection site.

At around 11:45 last night I began to suddenly feel pressure in my head and face, my wife said I looked very flushed. A fever and muscle pain throughout my entire body came shortly afterwards. Couldnt sleep much last night with the muscle pain and frequent urination.

Took 2 tylenol around 8am and had a good nap until around 12:30 pm. Woke feeling 10 times better but still a little unwell. Felt the relief of the tylenol wearing off around 4:30 pm and took 2 more tablets. Fatigue came around 6 or so and I returned to napping at around 7pm.

Woke up around 1am feeling much better, but definitely not at 100%

Wife has been sleeping on and off and did not experience the muscle aches. Only an occasional slight fever. Still has the pain at the injection site

Glad to see you are OK.
Most people are and almost all serious reactions to the vaccine happen within an hour or two after getting the shot.

My wife and I got the Pfizer shot, our two neighbors did as well. None of us had any problems beyond a slightly sore arm the day after. We tried to eat normally and drink enough water. I skipped weightlifting the next day and stretched and walked instead. 3 days after the shot we were completely back to normal. To be honest, I had more of a reaction when I got the flu shot.
I'm diabetic and I wear a Dexcom G6 continuous blood glucose sensor on my arm. I got the shot right next to my sensor patch. Not a problem.

Oh, and rest easy, because in a few days, less than a week, the modified DNA from the adenovirus vaccine and the mRNA will be gone from your system. About 2 weeks after that the spikes the J&J vaccine caused your body to produce will also be gone and you will be left with just the antibodies and immune memory to fight any covid virus you are exposed to.

The human body is a truly amazing and wonderful machine. The more we learn about it, the more amazing it seems.

 

[Dennis Olson]

and it is a different and experimental way of tweeting the mRNA.

Okay, I have to ask. How do you tweet mRNA?

 

[TerryK]

Okay, I have to ask. How do you tweet mRNA?

I was razzing Melodi about using the word "Tweet" in her post.
I know she meant tweak.

 

[Dennis Olson]

She really can’t spell wurth a krappe.

 

[Melodi]

Yes and yesterday and today I was actually somewhat ill and on painkillers, I'm sorry I didn't answer perfectly but Nightwolf wasn't especially well either so I didn't want to bother him with this.

In the future, I can simply refuse to even try to answer questions when I am not feeling well.

I have never pretended to be an expert in biology by the way and physical anthropology was the hardest subject for me in university, well that economic anthropology which needed lots of numbers (and I have dyscalculia as well as the inability to spell).

 

[FireDance]

Yes and yesterday and today I was actually somewhat ill and on painkillers, I'm sorry I didn't answer perfectly but Nightwolf wasn't especially well either so I didn't want to bother him with this.

In the future, I can simply refuse to even try to answer questions when I am not feeling well.

I have never pretended to be an expert in biology by the way and physical anthropology was the hardest subject for me in university, well that economic anthropology which needed lots of numbers (and I have dyscalculia as well as the inability to spell).

Why pray tell, are you apologizing for not being perfect?

Simply remember no one is and if they believe they are should probably have a “diagnosis” attached to them.

Heck fire. I can get that simply using my phone without an altered mental status from sickness/medication. It does it by itself. Some days I look at the screen and am, WTH?

Hope you are feeling much better!

 

[sleepyeddie]

This is the link to a video I caught last night. It is a 16-17 minute video. This is a hard hitting video with a lot of information.

A human rights activist raises concerns about the "trans gene" inside the J&J vaccine.

RED ALERT MUST SHARE: NOT KNOWING **THIS** COULD KILL YOU | SGT Report

www.sgtreport.com

You have to wait approx 15-20 seconds for info from Bitchute to load before video will play. SGT has a wonky player.

 

[Profit of Doom]

Okay, I have to ask. How do you tweet mRNA?

#mRNA

 

[TKO]

This is the link to a video I caught last night. It is a 16-17 minute video. This is a hard hitting video with a lot of information.

A human rights activist raises concerns about the "trans gene" inside the J&J vaccine.

RED ALERT MUST SHARE: NOT KNOWING **THIS** COULD KILL YOU | SGT Report

www.sgtreport.com

Disinformation from Pfizer?

 

[Melodi]

Why pray tell, are you apologizing for not being perfect?

Simply remember no one is and if they believe they are should probably have a “diagnosis” attached to them.

Heck fire. I can get that simply using my phone without an altered mental status from sickness/medication. It does it by itself. Some days I look at the screen and am, WTH?

Hope you are feeling much better!

Thank you, yeah I'm not perfect and I have said repeatedly that Nightwolf is the medical expert, I just do my best to kind of present some of his information - sometimes that works well and sometimes it does not.

Occasionally he has time to do posts for himself, but then it often is so complicated that it is difficult for non-medical people to follow (or people who don't follow such stuff at least as a hobby, the way I follow say volcanology as a hobby but have no actual training in it).

I "get" most of the vocabulary around volcanic eruptions but I couldn't explain scientifically how to read a harmonic chart without help.

 

[bw]

Doesn't seem to play.

 

[sleepyeddie]

On my pc in the lower left corner I can see that it takes approx 15 seconds to download info from bitchute. Then it will play.

 

[FireDance]

Doesn't seem to play.

Yeah. Looks like they were zapped.

ETA: yes they do play. You just have to wait longer than “normal “ for them to load.

 

[bev]

Melody, I hope you’re feeling better today! And I thank you for your contributions to this thread.

I apologize for Terry’s rudeness in post #101.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Evidently Melodi, your ability to read and understand my humor is ZERO. And don’t even THINK about saying, “I know it was humor.” If you did, you wouldn’t have given that long, needless “explanation.”

You’re wound way too tightly these days.

 

[bassaholic]

She really can’t spell wurth a krappe.

She really can’t spill wirt a carp.

(Fixed for you Dennis)

 

[DHR43]

Why can't people use their spill chucker?

 

[intothatgoodnight]

Does covid kill a lot of people? Yep, despite claims to the contrary, it has killed enough people in most countries that it has reduced the life expectancy by over a year in the US and Europe.

A good way of looking at Covid deaths is to see how much the over all reported deaths for any reason is greater in 2020 than in 2019. This tells us that Russia lied about their Covid deaths. Their deaths in 2020 were several hundred thousand more than in 2019.

Anyway the media is filled with lies on both sides, so an abundance of caution and skepticism is completely warranted.

Per bolded - a MORE TRUTHFUL way of looking at 2020 "COVID" deaths is to EXTRACT the 2020 flu/pneumonia/common cold death data, FIRST, followed by ANY other reason for death that is not directly caused by "COVID" - THEN, report THOSE numbers - the relative few that there are. <crickets>


intothegoodnight

 

[FireDance]

Why can't people use their spill chucker?

Spear chucker? I must be on that drum thread - maybe.