WTF?!? "Official" Gulf Oil Spill Thread - put updates here

BigBadBossyDog

Membership Revoked
What is wrong with that? Have you ever tried to cap a gusher? Watch some of the old movies about Red Adair...it is very, very difficult to cap a gusher on dry land. A layman doesn't have a clue about how difficult it can be. Capping an under-water gusher may be impossible.

I agree with this post and your previous post. The world is full of keyboard experts with fixes. And like you said previously, you get the Greenpeacer curious types in there AFTER the thing is fixed. You don't want them meddling around taking up space and hindering the real work; i.e., just fix the damned thing and gather your data later. Knowing exactly how much crap is gushing forth doesn't do a damned thing to help stop it.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Neither of the above links work for me anymore--the CNN one is offline and the other "re-directs" you to the BP site itself where you HAVE to use THEIR video only.

Here's that link: http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_int...local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html

And yes, the current leak is HUGE, compared to the previous size.

Wonder how long before they shut the link down completely, since the other 2 are gone? Especially if something's happened.
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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It went totally obscured again about 10 minutes ago. Looked like an undersea dust storm swooped in. The flow does look more vigorous than even just a few hours ago. Not sure, but I think something else might have blown out...the siphon tube maybe?

Kris
 

breezyhill

Veteran Member
Perhaps at the new great depths they are drilling they are tapping into the actual "river" of oil that is in the mantle? ENDQUOTE]

do we have any earthologists on the board [or someone who likes to google for information] that can tell us how deeply they drilled and where exactly the "mantle" of our planet is?

this is what I referenced in an earlier post of mine in this thread, that the oil down that low is part of our planet's structural integrity, and now the timebomb [no punn intended] is literally ticking away.

we are so *****d!@#$#@!@#$!@#$!#$#@$@

breezyhill
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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Breezy:

Due to the depth, thickness, temperatures and pressures involved, "rivers of oil" do not exist in the mantle. Petroleum as we know it cannot exist at those temperatures and pressures. "Rivers of oil" do not exist anywhere in reality as oil and gas is contained in the pores of rock and the tiny space between rocks under extreme pressure from the weight of the surrounding material. Hence, the flow we see from a blowout such as this.

Kris
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
No expert here, but I do remember from earlier pics at the beginning of all this:

The "pipe" leading from the rig to the ocean floor was approx. 1 MILE long.

They then DRILLED into the ocean floor (earth) ANOTHER 6 MILES.

Total: 7 miles from sea level.
 

Jamestown Girl

Veteran Member
No expert here, but I do remember from earlier pics at the beginning of all this:

The "pipe" leading from the rig to the ocean floor was approx. 1 MILE long.

They then DRILLED into the ocean floor (earth) ANOTHER 6 MILES.

Total: 7 miles from sea level.

5,000 ft below surface, Drilled 18,000 ft. 23,000 ft. 4.3 miles.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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It went totally obscured again about 10 minutes ago. Looked like an undersea dust storm swooped in. The flow does look more vigorous than even just a few hours ago. Not sure, but I think something else might have blown out...the siphon tube maybe?

Kris

Kris... it appears that the siphon tube blew out last night around 9 pm. Some folks on TOL were watching (I had RealPlayer set recording the video, but was in the barn doing some chores) and saw it blow. I'll see if I can run through some of the (too many) hours of video and see if I can find the relevant frames.

They've got BIG problems down there...and it doesn't appear to be getting any better.

Summerthyme
 

Jamestown Girl

Veteran Member
I got this in a pr email Thursday and I have been checking and have not seen these released.

"To provide further specificity on the flow rate, the US government has created a Flow Rate Technical Team (FRTT) to develop a more precise estimate. The FRTT includes the US Coast Guard, NOAA, MMS, Department of Energy (DOE) and the US Geological Survey. The FRTT is mandated to produce a report by close of business on Saturday, May 22. "

Anyone heard about this?
 

mt4design

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Watch the Mike Williams story... if you call the arrogance and greed of man terrorism, then this was a terrorist attack.

He was the head electrician on that rig and nearly died the night of the blow up.

I've been wondering about what will happen when all the oil and gas leak in to the ocean leaving that massive pocket where it once existed deep in the earth's crust open.

Will the void just fill up with ocean water or will the crust above collapse under the pressure creating some new grand canyon under the ocean?

And, after reading some of Tom's info, this is far more dire than a simple oil spill in the ocean. Oil, methane, other gases, super cooled, pressurized, 100,000 barrels a day.

Flushed in to the loop current.

How will ocean salinization be affected?

Weather patterns?

Krill populations?

I feel badly for my son and his friends and all the children out there who will grow up in the world recently created. I just don't think we have a handle on how badly this will turn out.

Mike
 

Surprise

Inactive
Mt4 design is right. About all points made.

My post #51 has some highlights from last weeks 60 Minutes interview of Mike Williams, if folks don't have the time to watch via mt4's link.
They knew parts were damaged. They did N-O-T-H-I-N-G. Just kept right on because they had already messed up one well by going too fast.
 

Surprise

Inactive
Also saw a scientist who is refusing to use the lab BP wants used. Says there would be a conflict of interest as this lab has done tons of work for BP.
So he and other scientists are using one in Pensacola with a good reputation which they have used in the past.
He also said BP wants "their" people to handle the animals and birds. (and hence control the numbers)

Cannot recall which channel he was on. I think it was MSNBC, Friday evening.

(Dont watch them as a general rule, but I do channel surf and stop on oil mess info wherever I find it)

Also saw a man talking to congress that the dispersants are just PR -. to keep it from the coast where folks cannot take pictures and things will just "look" better.
 

Surprise

Inactive
BP's Plan of Action dated June of 09 shows that finding out the volume is foremost in any spill.
Because everything else they do hinges on that. (According to their plan)
But with this one they have been saying volume was not a priority.
Also saw that on MSNBC.
I am short on time but will find a link on this for sure either today or tomorrow.



Eta: This will have to do for now. I know some folks don't like to see the word "blog" in a link. But this IS what I heard on tv.

BP and the Obama administration have said they don't want to take the measurements for fear of interfering with efforts to stop the leaks.

That decision, however, runs counter to BP's own regional plan for dealing with offshore leaks. ``In the event of a significant release of oil,'' the 583-page plan says on Page 2, ``an accurate estimation of the spill's total volume . . . is essential in providing preliminary data to plan and initiate cleanup operations.''
http://eyeonmiami.blogspot.com/2010/05/bp-gulf-oil-spill-spill-volume.html
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
5,000 ft below surface, Drilled 18,000 ft. 23,000 ft. 4.3 miles.
That's better than 7--I suppose the earlier pic I saw just "rounded" the drill figure to 6 miles---thanks for the more exact data.

Now what we need is those with knowledge of geology to tell us how thick the earth's crust is in that particular area. If, as I suspect, we have actually drilled through the crust into the MANTLE itself, and in fact not just into the area of the mantle known as the lithosphere (see below) but the far more unstable, semi-liquid, and under-extremely-high-pressures asthenosphere, -- well, personally, then I think we are in BIG trouble.

I did find this, from the US Geological Survey---very interesting---

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...mage_result&resnum=1&ct=image&ved=0CBgQ9QEwAA

USGS

Inside the Earth
The size of the Earth -- about 12,750 kilometers (km) in diameter-was known by the ancient Greeks, but it was not until the turn of the 20th century that scientists determined that our planet is made up of three main layers: crust, mantle, and core. This layered structure can be compared to that of a boiled egg. The crust, the outermost layer, is rigid and very thin compared with the other two. Beneath the oceans, the crust varies little in thickness, generally extending only to about 5 km. The thickness of the crust beneath continents is much more variable but averages about 30 km; under large mountain ranges, such as the Alps or the Sierra Nevada, however, the base of the crust can be as deep as 100 km. Like the shell of an egg, the Earth's crust is brittle and can break.

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Cutaway views showing the internal structure of the Earth. Below: This view drawn to scale demonstrates that the Earth's crust literally is only skin deep. Below right: A view not drawn to scale to show the Earth's three main layers (crust, mantle, and core) in more detail (see text).





Below the crust is the mantle, a dense, hot layer of semi-solid rock approximately 2,900 km thick. The mantle, which contains more iron, magnesium, and calcium than the crust, is hotter and denser because temperature and pressure inside the Earth increase with depth. As a comparison, the mantle might be thought of as the white of a boiled egg. At the center of the Earth lies the core, which is nearly twice as dense as the mantle because its composition is metallic (iron-nickel alloy) rather than stony. Unlike the yolk of an egg, however, the Earth's core is actually made up of two distinct parts: a 2,200 km-thick liquid outer core and a 1,250 km-thick solid inner core. As the Earth rotates, the liquid outer core spins, creating the Earth's magnetic field.

Not surprisingly, the Earth's internal structure influences plate tectonics. The upper part of the mantle is cooler and more rigid than the deep mantle; in many ways, it behaves like the overlying crust. Together they form a rigid layer of rock called the lithosphere (from lithos, Greek for stone). The lithosphere tends to be thinnest under the oceans and in volcanically active continental areas, such as the Western United States. Averaging at least 80 km in thickness over much of the Earth, the lithosphere has been broken up into the moving plates that contain the world's continents and oceans. Scientists believe that below the lithosphere is a relatively narrow, mobile zone in the mantle called the asthenosphere (from asthenes, Greek for weak). This zone is composed of hot, semi-solid material, which can soften and flow after being subjected to high temperature and pressure over geologic time. The rigid lithosphere is thought to "float" or move about on the slowly flowing asthenosphere.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
These are snips. The entire interview transcript can be found at the link at bottom of this post.

With the schedule slipping, Williams says a BP manager ordered a faster pace.

"And he requested to the driller, 'Hey, let's bump it up. Let's bump it up.' And what he was talking about there is he's bumping up the rate of penetration. How fast the drill bit is going down," Williams said.

Williams says going faster caused the bottom of the well to split open, swallowing tools and that drilling fluid called "mud."

"We actually got stuck. And we got stuck so bad we had to send tools down into the drill pipe and sever the pipe," Williams explained.

That well was abandoned and Deepwater Horizon had to drill a new route to the oil. It cost BP more than two weeks and millions of dollars.

"We were informed of this during one of the safety meetings, that somewhere in the neighborhood of $25 million was lost in bottom hole assembly and 'mud.' And you always kind of knew that in the back of your mind when they start throwing these big numbers around that there was gonna be a push coming, you know? A push to pick up production and pick up the pace," Williams said.

Asked if there was pressure on the crew after this happened, Williams told Pelley, "There's always pressure, but yes, the pressure was increased."

But the trouble was just beginning: when drilling resumed, Williams says there was an accident on the rig that has not been reported before. He says, four weeks before the explosion, the rig's most vital piece of safety equipment was damaged.
Down near the seabed is the blowout preventer, or BOP. It's used to seal the well shut in order to test the pressure and integrity of the well, and, in case of a blowout, it's the crew's only hope. A key component is a rubber gasket at the top called an "annular," which can close tightly around the drill pipe.

Williams says, during a test, they closed the gasket. But while it was shut tight, a crewman on deck accidentally nudged a joystick, applying hundreds of thousands of pounds of force, and moving 15 feet of drill pipe through the closed blowout preventer. Later, a man monitoring drilling fluid rising to the top made a troubling find.

"He discovered chunks of rubber in the drilling fluid. He thought it was important enough to gather this double handful of chunks of rubber and bring them into the driller shack. I recall asking the supervisor if this was out of the ordinary. And he says, 'Oh, it's no big deal.' And I thought, 'How can it be not a big deal? There's chunks of our seal is now missing,'" Williams told Pelley.

And, Williams says, he knew about another problem with the blowout preventer.

The BOP is operated from the surface by wires connected to two control pods; one is a back-up. Williams says one pod lost some of its function weeks before.

Transocean tells us the BOP was tested by remote control after these incidents and passed. But nearly a mile below, there was no way to know how much damage there was or whether the pod was unreliable.

To do it BP's way, they had to be absolutely certain that the first two plugs were keeping the pressure down. That life or death test was done using the blowout preventer which Mike Williams says had a damaged gasket.


Williams' survival may be critical to the investigation. We took his story to Dr. Bob Bea, a professor of engineering at the University of California, Berkeley.

Last week, the White House asked Bea to help analyze the Deepwater Horizon accident. Bea investigated the Columbia Space Shuttle disaster for NASA and the Hurricane Katrina disaster for the National Science Foundation. Bea's voice never completely recovered from the weeks he spent in the flood in New Orleans. But as the White House found, he's among the nation's best, having investigated more than 20 offshore rig disasters.

"Mr. Williams comes forward with these very detailed elements from his viewpoint on a rig. That's a brave and intelligent man," Bea told Pelley.

"What he's saying is very important to this investigation, you believe?" Pelley asked.

"It is," the professor replied.

What strikes Bea is Williams' description of the blowout preventer. Williams says in a drilling accident four weeks before the explosion, the critical rubber gasket, called an "annular," was damaged and pieces of it started coming out of the well.

"According to Williams, when parts of the annular start coming up on the deck someone from Transocean says, ‘Look, don't worry about it.' What does that tell you?" Pelley asked.

"Houston we have a problem," Bea replied.

Here's why that's so important: the annular is used to seal the well for pressure tests. And those tests determine whether dangerous gas is seeping in.

"So if the annular is damaged, if I understand you correctly, you can't do the pressure tests in a reliable way?" Pelley asked.

"That's correct. You may get pressure test recordings, but because you're leaking pressure, they are not reliable," Bea explained.

Williams also told us that a backup control system to the blowout preventer called a pod had lost some of its functions.

"What is the standard operating procedure if you lose one of the control pods?" Pelley asked.

"Reestablish it, fix it. It's like losing one of your legs," Bea said.

"The morning of the disaster, according to Williams, there was an argument in front of all the men on the ship between the Transocean manager and the BP manager. Do you know what that argument is about?" Pelley asked.

Bea replied, "Yes," telling Pelley the argument was about who was the boss.

In finishing the well, the plan was to have a subcontractor, Halliburton, place three concrete plugs, like corks, in the column. The Transocean manager wanted to do this with the column full of heavy drilling fluid - what drillers call "mud" - to keep the pressure down below contained. But the BP manager wanted to begin to remove the "mud" before the last plug was set. That would reduce the pressure controlling the well before the plugs were finished.

Asked why BP would do that, Bea told Pelley, "It expedites the subsequent steps."

"It's a matter of going faster," Pelley remarked.

"Faster, sure," Bea replied.

Bea said BP had won that argument.

"If the 'mud' had been left in the column, would there have been a blowout?" Pelley asked.

"It doesn't look like it," Bea replied.
To do it BP's way, they had to be absolutely certain that the first two plugs were keeping the pressure down. That life or death test was done using the blowout preventer which Mike Williams says had a damaged gasket.

Investigators have also found the BOP had a hydraulic leak and a weak battery.

"Weeks before the disaster they know they are drilling in a dangerous formation, the formation has told them that," Pelley remarked.

"Correct," Bea replied.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/16/60minutes/main6490197.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

fair use applies

THIS is what I was looking for earlier. This testimony about the rubber gasket, together with info about the various contractors arguing amongst themselves and Schlumberger pulling out completely when its warnings were ignored---well it's clear who's at fault.

NOW, WHY is the U.S. govt. letting the CRIMINAL who blew up the DAM, handle the REPAIR / RESCUE operation???!!!??

And their eplanation, that only BP knows how everything is set up down there, is bull patties---what about Haliburton? What about Schlumberger? They don't know ANYTHING about sinking and running oil rigs????

Someone is getting their a** protected BIG TIME around here, and the people of the coast can go suck tar balls, for all they care.
 
Understanding the RIT and Video

Here are two graphics cut from one provided by BP - link:

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_int...STAGING/local_assets/images/RITT_1024xvar.jpg

My purpose for posting these is the interest in the ROV camera which BP has been providing streaming images from the vantage point of this operation.

The riser tube insertion tool (RIT) is diagrammed in one of the images. You'll notice there is two lines attached to the tool leading to the topside ship one mile above.

One line is is for the suction heading back topside.

The other smaller line is for pumping methanol to mix with the blow-out crude. This methanol enables the pumping of the slurry topside. Occasionally pulsations from the blow-out push gas, and methanol out of the riser along with the steady stream of crude.

Both lines from the RIT and the riser are quite a ways from the well head, which is noted on the larger graphic. This yellow pipe in the video is the damaged riser laying on the ocean floor with some additional smaller pipes along side.

The the Blow Out Prevention (BOP) stack is mounted on top of the well head.

The damaged riser pipe is crimped or kinked at the top of the BOP. Inside the riser pipe is another smaller pipe - drill pipe.

It's unclear from out vantage point where most of the oil is coming from, either from the drill pipe, or the area between inside the riser and possibly - both lines. My guess it's flowing more from the riser pipe.

What is clear from the images is oil is escaping from the damaged, flattened riser on top the BOP. We do not see as many images from the top of the BOP as we do the riser laying on the ocean floor. Missing from the BP graphic is a plume of oil and gas escaping off the top of the BOP. It's difficult to estimate which leak is the largest at this time. However, both are significant leaks.

The images from on top the BOP give us the clues on whether or not the situation is getting worse (or how fast it's getting worse). The last images I saw were of three holes in the riser on the top of the BOP. Oil was blasting out of those three holes indicating high pressure. Those are the ones to watch. The metal over time should weaken and the holes should be growing. This is caused by a combination abrasion and pressure. At some point the flow from on top the BOP will exceed the flow off the riser pipe on the ocean floor as the blow-out oil takes the path of least resistance.

Also (as currently outlined) the damaged riser line will have nothing to do with the kill shot to possibly be attempted this week. Those operations will be at the BOP all below the damaged riser.

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summerthyme

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Thanks Tom. Seeing that diagram and illustration of the insertion tube, I'm almost certain that is what blew out of the pipe last night. I could see a pipe lying on the ocean floor, and it had odd projections coming from it at regular intervals which I surmised might have been "barbs" to help hold it in place against the immense pressures.

Now, I can see those were parts of the rubber diaphrams on the pipe.

What a freakin' mess.

summerthyme
 
Countrymouse wrote:
NOW, WHY is the U.S. govt. letting the CRIMINAL who blew up the DAM, handle the REPAIR / RESCUE operation???!!!??

Well the easy answer is it's their mess they have to clean it up.

Same with the Exxon Valdez spill - Exxon in conjunction with the regulatory agencies, was in charge of the clean up.

Exxon had Captain Hazelwood to thank, and BP has their man who was on site at the time. Ultimately it was one maybe two men who are responsible for this disaster. It's safe to assume these individuals are no longer in charge of anything.

Then there's the sad fact that there are only other oil companies with the assets and technology to get the job done. Shell and Exxon come to mind.

Service companies such as Halliburton, and Schlumberger, do not have the drill ships, or the financial resources to handle this affair.

Then consider - if the US government was to fire and replace BP, it would extend the time line to shut the well in by even more months.

Also - Terrorism.

Nearly impossible. No way could the events leading this blow-out be orchestrated.

Unfortunately, human error which is the leading cause of industrial scale catastrophes, is the culprit.

Let's pray they are successful killing the well in the next few days.

If that fails, we're looking at another few weeks minimum before the first relief well intersects with this wild well.


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Summerthyme,

I missed the event last night, was following the TOL thread and watching the feed as well. Just happened to miss the event, did see where they went back to work getting it back in place. Before the feed went black.

It does appear from the visuals the flow may be increasing. This seems as a natural progression due the widening of the leaks caused by pressure and abrasion.

The surges of gas and oil are impressive, one wonders when the riser on the top of the BOP will separate.

At any rate it's a mess and it will get worse before it gets better. This event will go on for years. I recently spoke to some friends in Alaska, the shrimp returned in the last year or two - twenty years!

A few years prior to the accident I nearly bought a small shrimp boat, in Valdez. Thought it'd be a great live aboard lifestyle. What a difference in life that decision would have made.

I'm very concerned about the use of the dispersant Corexit and the relationship with the undersea marine environment. Aside from being 'safe', it's components are known toxic, specifically 2-Butoxy Ethanol.

In this case they're releasing Corexit undersea and allowing it to mix with the plumes. This is a serious trip into the unknown. How serious? Well we know sea life can handle natural crude over the long term. However we don't know if sea life can be contaminated with the new witches brew and rendered unsafe for human consumption, or - if it will kill of key levels of the food chain.

Imagine what a blow to the sea-food industry if this was ultimately known to be the case. Who would want to consume gulf shrimp and oysters for instance? Providing of course there are gulf shrimp and oysters to consume.

Unfortunately out of sight and mind in the short term may have long term catastrophic consequences.

Here's a pretty good link from the New York Times which tracks the spill and spill volume estimates:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/05/01/us/20100501-oil-spill-tracker.html

One unique thing which is occurring at this point in time, the bulk of the surface oil is pretty much just sitting in one place. It's size is growing and just hanging out. Every day that passes the slick grows. When it does finally move by wind and storms, wherever it lands, will not be pretty.

In a way this is what happened with the Exxon Valdez spill. For the first few days it just hung around the ship. Since it was Good Friday and Easter weekend, not much happened in respect to containment. I think it was Monday when the winds kicked up and spread the spill to kingdom come.

This is what will happen in the gulf. Even though containment, skimming and burning operations are ongoing, there's no possible way to collect more than a small percentage. This is what people need to prepare for.

As far as the sub sea pools of oil floating about in the water column, there's another great unknown. There is speculation that it may surface in the near future. In other words an area which has no oil may suddenly see a slick, which will be of a different composition.

What a mess!

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snip from the above link on leak measurement techniques:

About the Estimates Used in the Chart

The totals for the amount of oil spilled are calculated beginning from the initial explosion at 10 p.m. on April 20. While both oil and gas are leaking from the well, the estimates here are only for the amount of oil. This was done so that all the estimates can be compared equally, since some of the methods have no way to account for the amount of gas. BP announced on May 21 that the fluid leaking was roughly half oil, half natural gas.

Totals are adjusted, beginning May 17, for oil diverted through a narrow tube that was inserted into the well’s damaged pipe. BP has made daily announcements of how much oil has been captured, which had been an average of 2,100 barrels per day, or a total of 8,400 barrels (352,000 gallons) through May 20.

The “NOAA” estimate is based on a figure released by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration on April 28 when the government agency raised its estimate of the flow rate to 5,000 barrels (210,000 gallons) per day from its initial estimate of 1,000 barrels per day, over public objections by BP.

The “MacDonald minimum” is based on an analysis by Ian R. MacDonald, an oceanographer at Florida State University that was published by SkyTruth on May 1. By studying the amount of the oil visible in aerial imagery, Dr. MacDonald calculated the flow rate to be at least 26,500 barrels (1.1 million gallons) per day. He called this a “minimum estimate” since his calculations could only account for oil that was visible on the surface and did not include oil that had evaporated, mixed in with sea water, sunk to the bottom or been collected by response crews.

The “Wereley avg.” is based on estimates by Steve Wereley, a professor of mechanical engineering at Purdue University and an expert in optical flow measurement. He presented his findings to Congress on May 19. He analyzed video of the oil and gas leaking at the bottom of the gulf and estimated the flow rate to be about 72,000 barrels (or 3.0 million gallons) a day coming from the riser pipe and an additional 25,000 barrels coming from the blow out preventer. We divided the total in half (based on BP’s May 21 announcement) to come up with a rate of 48,500 barrels (2.0 million gallons) of oil per day. He estimated the accuracy of his calculations to be plus or minus about 20 percent, or within the range of 39,000 to 58,000 barrels per day.

The “BP worst case” estimate is based on a figure given by a senior BP executive to members of Congress in a closed-door briefing on May 4. The executive acknowledged that in the worst case, if the leak accelerated, the flow rate could be 60,000 barrels (or 2.5 million gallons) a day.

The largest accidental spill of all time was also in the Gulf of Mexico. Ixtoc I, a two-mile deep exploratory well, leaked at an estimated rate of 10,000 to 30,000 barrels per day for almost ten months until it was capped in March 1980.

For more on the estimates, see this article.


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Operations planned in event of Kill shot failure:

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Activity at top of BOP Stack, involves cutting damaged riser off of BOP stack with ROV operated diamond blade wire line saw.

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An excellent description of planned events

From the Oil Drum:



The Gulf Deepwater Oil Spill - the Top Kill Attempt

Posted by Heading Out on May 25, 2010 - 9:30am
Topic: Environment/Sustainability
Tags: deepwater horizon, lmrp, oil spill, top kill [list all tags]


The next attempt to shut off the flow from the leaking BP well in the Gulf is still aimed to occur early Wednesday. The attempt will use the “top kill” method to try and kill the well. While I have described this in earlier posts, the Unified Command have put out a video animation of the process, and there was an earlier diagram. So I am going to use these, which are simplified explanations, with some additional comments and tie it in to more facts that came out of briefings today, to try and give a more detailed explanation. Here is the animation:

http://www.youtube.com/v/v4YG7J-Ws6k

Before the process could begin, however, it was necessary to significantly modify the blow-out preventer (BOP) that sits on the top of the well. For those interested (its a bit like watching one of the operations on the space station) BP has assembled a short (5 minute) selection of the video footage of the various steps. When watching it, you should bear in mind that the ROV’s carrying out the different steps have to operate in a relatively crowded environment.

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The well neighborhood


The tasks to be done included removing, modifying and replacing the control box (or pod) that operates the valves that open and close the flow lines into the choke and kill lines on the well. Other than this, the flow lines to the flow and choke lines themselves had to be replaced with the feed lines (shown in the animation) that will carry the mud into the well. Even tightening a fitting that had worked loose takes time, when it has to be done using an ROV (with the operator at the surface needing to see what he is doing while getting the ROV to hold the necessary wrench and turn the fitting). The old feed lines then had to be cut from the BOP, and replaced.

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ROV image showing the control pod fitting being tightened


This involved
* cutting off the choke and kill line connectors
* Cutting the bolts on a flange
* Removing the clamp
* Removing the pipe flange end
* Buffing and cleaning the pipe end
* Preparing to attach the new jumper lines. (This had to be done for each feed line)
* A special hydraulic connector attached to the 150-ft jumper cables was used to latch onto the old inlets. This is slow work (as the video shows) and as a result this part of the work has taken seven days. (The jumper shown in the video was attached on the 16th and chained down into position on the 17th.)


When the connections and fittings have all been made and checked, and the control pod operation validated, and the necessary permits from MMS and others obtained, then the process can begin.

The process will be controlled from the Q4000, which is designed to have the capabilities needed. Two lines feed from the vessel to the BOP. The first carries the control feeds through an umbilical, while the second is a riser that carries the mud down to the flexible hoses and jumper lines into the BOP itself. This mud, at about twice the density of water, will be delivered from the two high-pressure Schlumberger MD 1000 mud pumps made by Schlumberger and will flow through the two feed lines that were the choke and kill circuits, into the well itself, below the main rams of the BOP.

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Top Kill Circuit


The pumps will deliver the mud into the lines at a pressure of 6,800 psi, but as Kinuachdrach has correctly noted, it will then acquire the pressure from the full 5,000 ft column of mud as it flows down to the BOP, and enters the flow channel carrying the oil. Now we know that the BOP rams are at least partially closed. If they are planning on using golf balls for the “junk shot”, it is feasible to surmise that the maximum width of the flow channel is no more than a third of a golf ball diameter. Not arguing the merits of American vs British ball sizes, let us assume that this is roughly half-an-inch (though it may have a greater length).

However, as flow volumes go up it requires more and more pressure for the fluid to get through a small gap. And at a given delivery pressure, only a certain flow volume will thus be able to escape that way. As long as this pressure exceeds that in the well, the net result will then be that the mud begins to push the oil and gas back down the well, and the well fills up with mud. The weight of that mud should then be enough to exert a pressure on the bottom of the well that is enough to exceed the fluid pressure in the rock and therefore stabilize the well and stop the flow of fluid out. Cement can then be pumped into the well to seal the top end. (Or with the flow stopped, another BOP can be put on the well to seal it). The main worry is that the hole in the top of the BOP is small enough to contain the additional flow volumes, and not allow the entire flow to escape upwards rather than being forced down the well. The higher flows might, in addition, if they do exit the riser, further erode the openings. This could increase the oil flow, as it lowers the resistance. (If this happened then the LMRP will be deployed).

There are, however, a number of caveats to this operation. If the pressure in the well gets too high it can cause fractures in the rock at the bottom of the well, and this can cause the mud in the well to flow into the rock, rather than sitting in the well holding the pressure against the oil pressure.

There are also concerns with the condition of the bottom of the well, and whether this will have any impact on the flow of mud back down to the well and in sealing it.

Suttles said BP could not be certain but diagnostic tests on the well seem to indicate the flow is not coming up the main bore.

The well also contains obstructions that are restricting the flow rate.

It is impossible to know for certain what those obstructions are, Suttles said, but cured cement and rocks from the formations that crews drilled through could be partially clogging the well.


If the top kill fails, then the next step will be to cut off the riser, and use the top hat that is sitting on the sea bed near the well, to capture the flow in the LMRP option.

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The Lower Marine Riser Package (LMRP) option


Were it me, I might contact Atlas Tocco and have them look into connecting up an induction heating coil around the outside of the bottom of the riser section. It might give them the occasional additional bit of heat on the inside surface that might be needed to dislodge any inconvenient crystals that might form, without interfering with the internal flow channels.

As a point of scale for the video from the riser leak, the amount of dispersant that is being ejected into the water is about 14,000 gallons a day or about 10 gallons a minute (quarter of a barrel roughly). A 5,000 bd flow is around 150 gals/minute.

This came from Doug Suttles teleconference in which he noted that BP have now spent around $800 million. He noted that oil levels in the water near the well are being measured at 10 ppm (parts per million), against an EPA limit for oil discharge which is 15 ppm. However it is early in the monitoring cycle, and with a fleet of government sampling vessels now starting to work, the plumes and oil dispersant paths will be mapped in more detail in the weeks ahead.


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BP Progressing LMRP in Parallel with Top Kill

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Tuesday, May 25, 2010

http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=93712&rss=true


BP on Tuesday provided an update on developments in the response to the MC252 oil well incident in the Gulf of Mexico.

Subsea efforts continue to focus on progressing options to stop the flow of oil from the well through interventions via the MC252 blow out preventer (BOP) and to collect the flow of oil from the leak points. These efforts are being carried out in conjunction with industry experts and governmental authorities.

Plans have been developed for a series of interventions via the BOP; it is currently anticipated these may be carried out over a period of about a week, commencing in the next few days. These interventions have not been carried out at these depths and conditions before and the success of individual options cannot be assured.

The first planned intervention is the so-called top kill operation where heavy drilling fluids would be injected into the well to stem the flow of oil and gas and, ultimately, kill the well. Most of the equipment is on site and preparations for this operation continue, with a view to deployment within a few days. If necessary, equipment is also in place to combine this operation with the injection under pressure of bridging material to seal off upward flow through the BOP.

Sophisticated diagnostic work using remotely operated vehicles (ROVs) will precede the 'top kill' to allow the procedure to be planned in detail. The knowledge from this diagnostic work will be instrumental in determining whether to proceed with this option.

LMRP Option


Being progressed in parallel with plans for the top kill is development of a lower marine riser package (LMRP) cap containment option. This would first involve removing the damaged riser from the top of the BOP, leaving a cleanly-cut pipe at the top of the BOP's LMRP. The LMRP cap, an engineered containment device with a sealing grommet, would be connected to a riser from the Discoverer Enterprise drillship and then placed over the LMRP with the intention of capturing most of the oil and gas flowing from the well and transporting it to the drillship on the surface. The LMRP cap is already on site and it is anticipated that this option will be available for deployment by the end of May.

Additional options also continue to be progressed, including the option of lowering a second blow-out preventer, or a valve, on top of the MC 252 BOP.

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it's going to get interesting in the next 24 hours if top kill fails to work. - BG



http://www.free-press-release.com/n...blow-the-well-matthew-simmons-1274799085.html


GULF - OIL SPILL & SOLUTION - BLOW THE WELL- MATTHEW SIMMONS
2010-05-25
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For_Immediate_Release:
GULF - OIL SPILL & SOLUTION - BLOW THE WELL- MATTHEW SIMMONS, Scientist Matthew Simmons has the answer or at least a possible solution to the "Blow Out" in the Gulf Oil Disaster, it will cost BP Billions and most likely financial ruin. An underwater explosion, also known as an UNDEX, is an explosion beneath the surface of water. The type of explosion can be chemical They are categorized in accordance with their depth beneath the water's surface, because this has a strong influence on their effects. Deep underwater explosions are those where the crater is small in comparison with the depth of the explosion., the gas pressure in the cavity decreases to the point when it can no longer support the overburden. Then, in a matter of seconds to hours, the roof falls in and this is followed by progressive collapse of the overlying rocks. A tall cylinder, commonly referred to as a "chimney," filled with broken rock or rubble is thus formed. If the top of the chimney does not reach the ground surface, an empty space, roughly equivalent to the cavity volume, will remain at the top of the chimney. However, if the collapse of the chimney material should reach the surface, the ground will sink into to the empty space thereby forming a subsidence crater. The collapse of the roof and the formation of the chimney represented the fourth (and last) phase of the underground explosion. This is what must be done or we are all screwed !


Matthew Simmons states that explosives have to be used in
the Well Bore. This is exactly what the US Government needs to do. Matthew Simmons, Pickens, Kunstler, Heidenberg have been predicting calamity due to Peak Oil for years.
They have been largely ignored so here we are. We made this mess now we have to take extreme measures before it is too late or we’re all screwed.

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Thanks, Tom.

could you please give us your thoughts on this comment made today by a BP executive:

"‘Macondo not flowing up main bore’"

and the rest of the information shared in FishSpeaker's post (# 44) on this thread:

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=362131&page=2

If the main force of the leak isn't going up the main bore, isn't that going to present problems with the attempt tomorrow?

Be aware this information above is thought to be true based on measurements and previous well histories. That said, for now it's in the realm of the theoretical.

Some commentary from the Oildrum:


Kanga on May 25, 2010 - 10:16am Permalink | Subthread | Comments top

The BP design team has indicated that flow may be coming up on the outside of the 9-7/8" x 7" production casing as a result of failure of the 9-7/8" casing hanger seal assembly.

That means that the 16" casing could now be exposed to the following pressures -

A. Full shut in pressure with hydrocarbon column from reservoir to the wellhead, perhaps 9,000 psi or so, if the flow through the BOP is successfully arrested with plugging material.

B. Injection (bullhead pressure) of similar magnitude, when heavy kill fluid is injected into the well.

Will the 16" casing be able to withstand this pressure? What is the weight / grade of the 16" casing? What type of connections were used?

What is the anticipated weak point in the B Annulus between the 9-7/8" and 16" casing strings?

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[-] ROCKMAN on May 25, 2010 - 11:18am Permalink | Subthread | Parent | [Parent subthread ] Comments top

Kanga -- if the blow out is coming up the 9 7/8" csg annulus then all the csg shoes from the 22" (at 7,937') and below is exposed and subject to failure. That would be a total of six csg seats open to the pressure. The 16" is hung off the 22" and not tied back to the surface. The 22" csg is run back up into the well head so it might represent the lowest burst pressure they could have exposed. I've seen no grade for the 22" csg. But I would guess that it's not high pressure stuff given it was set at only 7,937'.

End of post dialog at this time.

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Below is a well schematic which also may or may not be accurate - in terms of the oil and gas flow as indicated. Especially since the 7" production casing is not illustrated.




Keep in mind in many ways the kill shot to be attempted is an experiment. The end goal of course is to stop oil from flowing into the Golf of Mexico.

The powers that be in this case have been weighing the risks and advantages involved. Seeing how they continue to move forward with the operation leads one to conclude it's advantages may outweigh the risks.

It's very interesting to note the newest released plan outlined yesterday involves cutting the damaged riser and seeking to connect the wild well to the Discoverer Enterprise drill ship.

It would seem as there may be two camps of thought on these two different operations.

1. The BOP is working to some degree restricting the flow and cutting the damaged riser would not result in too much additional spill into the gulf. With the riser off and a mounting surface available to connect to the drill ship nearly all oil could be contained - in theory. This could stop the spill allowing the well to continue to be regulated from the semi-failed BOP, until the relief wells could intercept the wild well. Unknown is to what degree, capacity and level of safety the Discoverer Enterprise drill ship can handle the current and future flow topside.

2. Pumping mud down hole (Top kill) gaining control of the well - if successful would end the need for containment. Also if there's success then the well may possibly permanently be sealed by cementing.

Seeing how the Top Kill has it's uncertainties, and if the Discoverer Enterprise drill ship could manage the flow - one could conclude the best option would be to try number 1 above first. Not the other way around. Or - perhaps in tandem. After all the assembly is in place and able to be operational in five to seven more days.

However, there are much brighter minds than mine, with much more information than I possess - currently at work on this disaster. I certainly hope those making the ultimate decisions are making those decisions based on science instead of politics.

Lastly, we've just learned about the newer option which in turn lets us know they're steadily working up options of which we have little or no prior knowledge.

Whatever they do, let's pray we get some lucky breaks and not see Mr. Murphy for a while.

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Cousteau Jr.: 'This Is a Nightmare... a Nightmare'
Philippe Cousteau Jr. and Sam Champion take hazmat dive into Gulf's oily waters.
06:41 | 05/25/2010

This goes back to the OP. - For those who can, I really urge watching this segment.


ETA - These are visuals on what is happening below the surface of the water in the Gulf of Mexico.

The effects of the oil dispersant Corexit mixed with the crude flowing from the wild well. Clouds of droplets below the surface.

Although the images are from 25 feet below the surface, one can clearly see there's a large amount of subsurface material in the gulf.

These view are from just one isolated area, at the same time there's no reason to believe this is not widespread.

What one does not know is what is happening at other depths.

Irregardless, we're now charting into unknown repercussions of these actions.

This BTW is a result of the EPA allowing the use of these dispersant agents.

There's where the finger of blame should be placed.

Again, I point to the experiences gained from the Exxon Valdez, it appears Corexit does not allow the crude to decay naturally. This may mean these tiny droplets will remain in suspension for an unnaturally long time.

Add to this no one knows what the make-up of these droplets is and their respective toxicity. We do know one of the compounds of Corexit is a know carcinogen. What BP has done is, possibly multiplied the toxicity of all the oil released from the wild well.

To sum this up - this is not shouting and running with hair on fire, this is not tinfoil, this is an extremely ugly and possibly catastrophic situation.

Add to this - this is on-going today. Calls to action should be initiated to stop this immediately, Senators, Members of Congress, boycotts, demonstrations, etc..

The simple facts warrant action. In other words there's no proof this is safe, there is more proof it's unsafe. So much so and to the degree - all fisheries in the Gulf of Mexico could be closed for many years.

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IG report: Meth, porn use by drilling agency staff
By MATTHEW DALY, Associated Press Writer Matthew Daly, Associated Press Writer 1 hr 16 mins ago

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100525/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill_washington_12

WASHINGTON – Staff members at an agency that oversees offshore drilling accepted tickets to sports events, lunches and other gifts from oil and gas companies and used government computers to view pornography, according to an Interior Department report alleging a culture of cronyism between regulators and the industry.

In at least one case, an inspector for the Minerals Management Service admitted using crystal methamphetamine and said he might have been under the influence of the drug the next day at work, according to the report by the acting inspector general of the Interior Department.

The report cites a variety of violations of federal regulations and ethics rules at the agency's Louisiana office. Previous inspector general investigations have focused on inappropriate behavior by the royalty-collection staff in the agency's Denver office.

The report adds to the climate of frustration and criticism facing the Obama administration in the monthlong oil spill disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, although it covers actions before the spill. Millions of gallons of oil are gushing into the Gulf, endangering wildlife and the livelihoods of fishermen, as scrutiny intensifies on a lax regulatory climate.

The report began as a routine investigation, the acting inspector general, Mary Kendall, said in a cover letter to Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, whose department includes the agency.

"Unfortunately, given the events of April 20 of this year, this report had become anything but routine, and I feel compelled to release it now," she wrote.

Her biggest concern is the ease with which minerals agency employees move between industry and government, Kendall said. While no specifics were included in the report, "we discovered that the individuals involved in the fraternizing and gift exchange — both government and industry — have often known one another since childhood," Kendall said.

Their relationships took precedence over their jobs, Kendall said.

The report follows a 2008 report by then-Inspector General Earl Devaney that decried a "culture of ethical failure" and conflicts of interest at the minerals agency.

Salazar called the latest report "deeply disturbing" and said it highlights the need for changes he has proposed, including a plan to abolish the minerals agency and replace it with three new entities.

The report "is further evidence of the cozy relationship between some elements of MMS and the oil and gas industry," Salazar said Tuesday. "I appreciate and fully support the inspector general's strong work to root out the bad apples in MMS."

Salazar said several employees cited in the report have resigned, were fired or were referred for prosecution. Actions may be taken against others as warranted, he said.

The report covers activities between 2000 and 2008. Salazar said he has asked Kendall to expand her investigation to look into agency actions since he took office in January 2009.

Salazar last week proposed eliminating the Minerals Management Service and replacing it with two bureaus and a revenue collection office. The name Minerals Management Service would no longer exist.

Members of Congress and President Barack Obama have criticized what they call the cozy relationship between regulators and oil companies and have vowed to reform MMS, which both regulates the industry and collects billions in royalties from it.

The report said that employees from the Lake Charles, La., MMS office had repeatedly accepted gifts, including hunting and fishing trips from the Island Operating Company, an oil and gas company working on oil platforms regulated by the Interior Department.

Taking such gifts "appears to have been a generally accepted practice," the report said.

Two employees at the Lake Charles office admitted using illegal drugs, and many inspectors had e-mails that contained inappropriate humor and pornography on their government computers, the report said.

Kendall recommended a series of steps to improve ethical standards, including a two-year waiting period for agency employees to join the oil or gas industry.

One MMS inspector conducted four inspections of Island Operating platforms while negotiating and later accepting employment with the company, the report said.

A spokeswoman for Island Operating Company could not be reached for comment. The Louisiana-based company says on it website that it has "an impeccable safety record" and cites Safety Awards for Excellence from the MMS in 1999 and 2002. The company was a finalist in other years.

"Island knows how to get the job done safely and compliantly," the website says.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., called the report "yet another black eye for the Minerals Management Service. Once again, MMS employees have been found culpable of performing shoddy oversight of offshore drilling. The report reveals an overly cozy culture between MMS regulators and the oil industry."

Feinstein, who chairs a Senate Appropriations subcommittee that oversees the Interior Department, said she will hold a hearing next month on Salazar's plan to restructure the agency.

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At What Cost? BP Spill Responders Told to Forgo Precautionary Health Measures in Cleanup

Riki Ott
Marine toxicologist and Exxon Valdez survivor

Posted: May 17, 2010 12:24 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/riki-ott/at-what-cost-bp-spill-res_b_578784.html

Venice, Louisiana -- Local fishermen hired to work on BP's uncontrolled oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico are scared and confused. Fishermen here and in other small communities dotting the southern marshes and swamplands of Barataria Bay are getting sick from the working on the cleanup, yet BP is assuring them they don't need respirators or other special protection from the crude oil, strong hydrocarbon vapors, or chemical dispersants being sprayed in massive quantities on the oil slick.

Fishermen have never seen the results from the air-quality monitoring patches some of them wear on their rain gear when they are out booming and skimming the giant oil slick. However, more and more fishermen are suffering from bad headaches, burning eyes, persistent coughs, sore throats, stuffy sinuses, nausea, and dizziness. They are starting to suspect that BP is not telling them the truth.

And based on air monitoring conducted by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in a Louisiana coastal community, those workers seem to be correct. The EPA findings show that airborne levels of toxic chemicals like hydrogen sulfide, and volatile organic compounds like benzene, for instance, now far exceed safety standards for human exposure.

For two weeks, I've been in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama sharing stories from the Exxon Valdez oil spill, which devastated the community I lived and commercially fished in, with everyone from fishermen and women to local mayors to state governors and the crush of international media.

During the 1989 cleanup in Alaska, thousands of workers had what Exxon medical doctors called, "the Valdez Crud," and dismissed as simple colds and flu. Fourteen years later, I followed the trail of sick workers through the maze of court records, congressional records, obituaries, and media stories, and made hundreds of phone calls. I found a different story. As one former cleanup worker put it, "I thought I had the Valdez Crud in 1989. I didn't think I'd have it for fourteen years."

In 1989 Exxon knew cleanup workers were getting sick: Exxon's clinical data shows 6,722 cases of upper respiratory "infections"--or more likely work-related chemical induced illnesses. Exxon also knew workers were being overexposed to oil vapors and oil particles as verified through its air-quality monitoring program contracted to Med-Tox. The cleanup workers never saw results of this program. Neither did OSHA, the agency supposedly charged to oversee and independently monitor Exxon's worker-safety program.

Alarmed by the "chemical poisoning epidemic," as expert witness Dr. Daniel Teitelbaum would later call it when he testified on behalf of sick workers, Exxon created a partial release form to indemnify itself from future health claims. Exxon paid its workers $600.50 to sign it, as I discovered in court records.

Sick workers were left to fend for themselves. Merle Savage was a foreman on the Bering Trader during the cleanup and supervised 180 workers. She described a persistent headache and "bronchitis" symptoms in 1989 that "wouldn't go away." Her medical doctors didn't connect her symptoms to her hazardous waste cleanup work. She is now completely disabled.

Richard Nagel, a master captain, supervised the workers who sprayed the dispersant Inipol. Exxon called Inipol, a "bioremediation" agent, but the Material Safety Data Sheet listed the solvent and human health hazard, 2-butoxyethanol. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency knows the Product Schedule is rife with abuse and products are used interchangeably - and that "misuses may cause further harm to the environment than the oil alone," but the charade continues. Nagel outlived most of his crew on the Pegasus. He was fifty-three when he died in 2009 of complications from systemic illnesses that his medical doctors never connected to his cleanup work.

Unlike the Exxon Valdez tragedy, in more recent oil spills human-health studies were conducted by independent qualified personnel. After the 2002 Prestige oil spill, medical researchers reported that fishermen and residents of Galacia, Spain, suffered identical symptoms to Exxon Valdez and now BP Gulf responders when cleaning up off their coast - or just from breathing air laced with oil vapors, driven by hurricane force winds. Similarly, after the 2007 Hebei Spirit oil spill off the coast of Taean, South Korea, medical researchers documented respiratory damage, central nervous system damage, and even genetic damage in volunteers and fishermen who worked on the cleanup.

There is no excuse for sick people. BP and the federal agencies charged with worker safety know that the risks of working on a hazardous waste cleanup are extraordinarily high and that it will take a concerted effort to keep workers safe and healthy. Further, it will take an equally extraordinary effort by BP and the federal government to protect public health in coastal communities downwind or downstream from the toxic stew in the Gulf.

Yet I don't see either BP or the federal government taking sufficient--or any--action to prevent human tragedy in the form of acute and likely long-term illnesses from its uncontrolled leak.

Years after the Exxon Valdez human-health tragedy, Eula Bingham, who was assistant secretary of labor for occupational safety and health in the Carter Administration, said of the federal OSHA inaction, "Quite frankly, they should have been more aggressive, but the government just folded."

I am in Louisiana as a volunteer to help make sure that, this time, the no one just folds. We need independent medical researchers to monitor health impacts. We need the Obama Administration to take aggressive steps to protect public health and worker safety and stop this unfolding tragedy before it gets worse.


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Didn't see this on this page (#3), so I'll post it as a nice reminder of BP's past: fair use http://apnews.excite.com/article/20100525/D9FU0VCG0.html
BP had a key role in the Exxon Valdez disaster

May 25, 1:58 PM (ET)
By NOAKI SCHWARTZ

Since a busted oil well began spewing crude into the Gulf of Mexico a month ago, the catastrophe has constantly been measured against the 1989 Exxon Valdez disaster. The Alaska spill leaked nearly 11 million gallons of crude, killed countless animals and tarnished the owner of the damaged tanker, Exxon.

Yet the leader of botched containment efforts in the critical hours after the tanker ran aground wasn't Exxon Mobil Corp. It was BP PLC (BP), the same firm now fighting to plug the Gulf leak.

BP owned a controlling interest in the Alaska oil industry consortium that was required to write a cleanup plan and respond to the spill two decades ago. It also supplied the top executive of the consortium, Alyeska Pipeline Service Co. Lawsuits and investigations that followed the Valdez disaster blamed both Exxon and Alyeska for a response that was bungled on many levels.

People who had a front row seat to the Alaska spill tell The Associated Press that BP's actions in the Gulf suggest it hasn't changed much at all.

The Gulf leak has grown to at least 6 million gallons since an oil rig exploded April 20, killing 11, and is almost certain to overtake Valdez as the nation's worst oil spill.
Watching the current crisis is like reliving the Valdez disaster for an attorney who headed the legal team for the state-appointed Alaska Oil Spill Commission that investigated the 1989 spill.

"I feel this horrible, sickening feeling," said Zygmunt Plater, who now teaches law at Boston College.

The Alaska spill occurred just after midnight on March 24, 1989, when the Exxon Valdez tanker carrying more than 50 million gallons of crude hit a reef after deviating from shipping lanes at the Valdez oil terminal. Years of cost cutting and poor planning led to staggering delays in response over the next five hours, according to the state commission's report.

What could have been an oil spill covering a few acres became one that stretched 1,100 miles, said Walter Parker, the commission's chairman.

"They were not prepared to respond at all," Parker said, referring to Alyeska. "They did not have a trained team ... The equipment was buried under several feet of snow."

The commission's report dedicated an entire chapter to failures by Alyeska, which was formed by the oil companies to run a pipeline stretching from the Arctic Ocean to the Valdez terminal on the Pacific. BP had the biggest stake in the consortium and essentially ran the first days of containment efforts in Prince William Sound an inlet on the south coast of Alaska.

"What happened in Alaska was determined by decisions coming from (BP in) Houston," Plater said.

Alyeska officials were notified within minutes of the Valdez spill, but it took seven hours for the consortium to get its first helicopter in the air with a Coast Guard investigator. A barge that was supposed to be carrying containment equipment had to be reloaded and did not arrive on the scene until 12 hours after the spill.

During the spill, Alyeska only had enough booms to surround a single tanker. The few skimmers it had to scoop up oil were out of commission once they filled up because no tank barge was available to handle recovered oil.

"Exxon quickly realized Alyeska was not responding, so 24 hours into the spill Exxon without consultation said, 'We're taking it over,'" said Dennis Kelso, former commissioner of the Alaska Department of Environmental Conservation. "That was not necessarily a bad thing."

BP's role in the Valdez spill has been far less publicized than Exxon's, in part because the state commission wanted to stay focused and avoid fingerpointing by saying who ran Alyeska in its report. Plater said he now regrets that approach.

"In retrospect, it could've focused attention on BP and created transparency which would've changed the internal culture," he said. "As we see the internal culture appears not to have changed with tragic results."

According to Alyeska, BP owned a controlling 50.01 percent share in the consortium in 1989, while a half-dozen other oil companies had smaller stakes. Since then, BP's share in Alyeska has dropped to 46.9 percent, with the next highest owner Conoco-Phillips Inc. at 28.3 percent. The consortium works like a corporation with owners voting based on their percentage shares.

Alyeska's chief executive officer was in 1989, and is currently, a BP employee who's on the company payroll, said Alyeska spokeswoman Michelle Egan.

BP spokesman Robert Wine declined by e-mail to comment on the company's role in the Valdez spill, saying the incident was already examined thoroughly.

"We can't add to something that has been so thoroughly and publicly investigated in the past, and the results of which have been so robustly and effectively implemented," he said.

Many who observed both disasters say there are striking parallels.

For example, during BP's permit process for the Deepwater Horizon, the company apparently predicted a catastrophic spill was unlikely and if it were to happen, the company had the best technology available. Prior to the 1989 spill, Alyeska made a similar case, arguing that such a spill was unlikely and would be "further reduced because the majority of the tankers ... are of American registry and all of these are piloted by licensed masters or pilots."

Critics say the tools in both spills have been largely the same, as has BP's lack of preparedness. Then as now, the cleanup tools used across the industry are booms, skimmers and dispersants.

David Pettit, who helped represent Exxon after the Alaska spill, said he knew BP was the "main player in Alyeska" even though everyone at the time was more focused on Exxon's role.

"This is the same company that was drilling in 5,000 feet of water in 2010 knowing that what they had promised ... was no more likely to do any good now than it did in 1989," said Pettit, now a senior attorney at the Natural Resources Defense Council. "It's the same cleanup techniques."

For the Gulf spill, a 100-ton containment box had to be built from scratch and wasn't deployed until two weeks after the spill, leading some to question why such emergency measures weren't ready to begin with.

"If you've told the government there's not a serious risk of a major spill, why should you spend shareholder money building a 100-ton steel box you've publicly claimed you don't think you'll ever use?" said Pettit.

Since the Gulf explosion, BP's companywide preparedness and safety record have come under sharp focus.

Onshore, BP has been criticized for the pace of improvements at some refineries. Government officials gave BP a massive $87 million fine for failing to make improvements in the five years since a blast killed 15 at its massive Texas City refinery. BP is appealing the fine.

For those who endured the Valdez spill and are now watching another catastrophe
unfold, industry improvements aren't coming fast enough.

"We've gone 20 years since Exxon Valdez and have advanced ourselves as a nation and world tremendously, yet the ability to control and deal with something of this magnitude still has not been addressed," said former Homer Mayor John Calhoun, who choked up at the memories. "This is as serious and difficult a situation as you can possibly imagine."

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Associated Press writer Ramit Plushnick-Masti in Houston contributed to this report.

And if memory serves me correctly, Exxon still hasn't paid off that court claim... they've got friendly politicians/lawyers/media etc in Alaska that don't require it to be paid, and for Exxon, it remains a nice little asset that pays dividends as they set aside that money back then and it collects interest everyday it isn't paid.
 

mt4design

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I just got through watching that video in Tom's post, #112.

This is devastating. I just gotta go. This is beyond comprehension.

Katrina is going to look like a minor bump in the road. If storms hit... it's unfathomable.

Mike
 
And if memory serves me correctly, Exxon still hasn't paid off that court claim... they've got friendly politicians/lawyers/media etc in Alaska that don't require it to be paid, and for Exxon, it remains a nice little asset that pays dividends as they set aside that money back then and it collects interest everyday it isn't paid.

My understanding is a Supreme Court decision reduced the award.

And - BTW I'm with Mike, going to have to take a break. I was there, saw and documented the inaction at Valdez and in Prince William Sound, it did make me ill at the time. Seeing all this happening today does bring back some ugly memories and emotions.

What's happening today is incredibly novel. Adding nearly one million gallons of Corexit to this spill is unprecedented and unconscionable. Doing something because it is legal does not make it right nor ethical. There's a disconnect somewhere, the gap of which is mind boggling.

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sherbar92

Generally warm and fuzzy
BP may cut the live feed during top kill operation...

http://www.wkrg.com/gulf_oil_spill/...feed-for-top-kill/890133/May-25-2010_2-13-pm/


Congressman: BP Will Cut Video Feed For Top Kill

by (AP) COVINGTON, La.
Published: Tue, May 25, 2010 - 12:21 pm CST Last Updated: Tue, May 25, 2010 - 2:13 pm CST

A lawmaker says BP will cut off a live video feed of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill when it begins its attemps to cut off the leak by injecting heavy drilling mud into the well.

Democratic Congressman Edward J. Markey of Massachusetts says the company will shut off the video feed supplied by an underwater robot when it begins the so-called top kill maneuver it hopes to try Wednesday.

But BP spokesman John Curry said Tuesday he could not confirm Markey's statement.

Markey says the move is "outrageous" and would block the public's access to a vital moment in the disaster.

The well has gushed millions of gallons of oil into the ocean since an offshore oil rig exploded April 20.
 

gcsdls

Thread-killer...see?
I knew when I read they were using chemical dispersants that this would be the result. Trying to disperse the oil is stupid. They should have been trying to consolidate it into one big, burnable blob. :shk:
 

gdpetti

Inactive
Maybe this comes into play here as well??? Fair use http://www.sott.net/articles/show/209266-Asphalt-volcanoes-discovered-in-Gulf-of-Mexcio
Flashback: Asphalt volcanoes discovered in Gulf of Mexico

marum.de
Thu, 13 May 2004 11:03 EDT

Asphalt flows from deep-sea volcanoes

New kind of volcano discovered in the Gulf of Mexico


Underwater volcanoes that spew asphalt instead of lava: they were discovered in the Gulf of Mexico during an expedition of the research vessel Sonne, led by Prof. Gerhard Bohrmann of the DFG Research Center Ocean Margins. On these volcanoes the multinational team of scientists encountered a previously unknown highly diverse ecosystem at a water depth of 3,000 meters. The prominent scientific journal Science reports the spectacular discovery in its issue of 14 May 2004.

Asphalt, commonly known to us as the material that covers our streets, has been found flowing out of mounds that rise 450 to 800 meters above the desert-like floor of the Gulf of Mexico. Researchers discovered the asphalt volcanoes during a cruise of the research vessel Sonne. First observed in video footage, the structures were confirmed by bottom samples taken during the expedition. "We were actually only searching for the presence of methane at the seafloor, instead we found a new kind of volcano associated with a complex ecosystem," relates Prof. Gerhard Bohrmann enthusiastically.

The researchers surmise that such asphalt volcanoes only occur in the Gulf of Mexico, but that they are abundant there, because the conditions required for their formation - deep water, salt diapirs below the seafloor, and the presence of oil deposits - are found only here.

Comment: Asphalt volcanoes were discovered off the Californian coast last month.


When special microorganisms deep below the seafloor degrade petroleum, asphalt remains as a waste product. It is not unusual to find small amounts of this, but in some places in the Gulf of Mexico the asphalt covers more than a square kilometer of sea bottom. The researchers christened one of the mounds "Chapopote", after the Aztec word for asphalt. Video recordings of this mound clearly show how the asphalt flowed out of the crater and down the slope. The pictures are amazingly reminiscent of lava from volcanoes on land. In addition, they are home to numerous life forms: tube worms, clams, fish, crabs, and - typical for deep-sea oases - abundant bacteria.

Asphalt is commonly presumed to be hostile to life. "Nevertheless, we have now found a complete ecosystem, not only living on the asphalt, but also apparently feeding on it," says Bohrmann. The amazing thing about this is: as a waste product asphalt no longer contains the usual basic deep-sea nutrients, methane and hydrogen sulfide. Almost all animals living in the deep sea feed on such chemical compounds because energy from the sun only penetrates the upper layer of the ocean. "Now we have to find out what compounds the organisms on the asphalt volcanoes use, and how the network of life in this system is interconnected."

The geologist of the DFG Research Center Ocean Margins is fascinated. "As a scientist, one rarely has the opportunity to discover things that are still completely unknown. The chance for discoveries of this magnitude exists only in the deep sea."

And this as well: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/209220-Did-Deepwater-methane-hydrates-cause-the-BP-Gulf-explosion- Here's a paragraph or two:
The Deepwater Horizon rig was drilling in Block 252 of an area known as the Mississippi Canyon of the Gulf, thought to contain methane hydrate-bearing sediments, according to government maps. The platform was operating less than 20 miles from a methane hydrate research site located in the same canyon at Block 118.

From the sea floor a mile down, the Deepwater Horizon rig had penetrated another 18,000 feet - almost another five miles down - into the earth's crust with pipe.

According to the National Academy of Sciences, which published a bullish report on the energy potential of methane hydrates,
"Industry practice is to avoid methane-bearing areas during drilling for conventional oil and gas resources for safety reasons."
Professor Sum explained that because "with oil there is usually gas present," it is possible for methane hydrates to form in the pipe even when not drilling through hydrate-bearing sediments. The pressure and cold of the deepwater create conditions that encourage gas flowing into the pipe to form hydrates, and if the rate of crystallization is rapid enough, the hydrates can clog the pipe.

The cofferdam that BP lowered over the broken pipe gushing oil to contain the spill was almost immediately clogged by methane hydrates, which formed spontaneously. Gas escaping with the oil from the well, when trapped in the steel structure with cold water under great pressure, rapidly accumulated into an ice-like matrix.
 
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