WTF?!? "Official" Gulf Oil Spill Thread - put updates here
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Important read here. It's long, so I'll quote some of the doom....there's a lot of nested quotes so I highly recommend reading at the source:
(Found at Rense) http://www.zerohedge.com/article/wi...lished-and-abandon-ship-without-permanently-k
(Found at Rense) http://www.zerohedge.com/article/wi...lished-and-abandon-ship-without-permanently-k
Hansa44
Justine Case
I'm beginning to believe the public won't be bored long. It's getting more and more difficult for people to hold their attention on anything for more than 10 minutes.
Thanks for the info md.
I LOVE that cartoon!!!!!!!!!!
Info on this thread is beyond awesome! I wish the whole world would look at it!
I called the county SO the other day and asked them if it was against the law to photo oil on the beach and no one there knew. Some one told me that there is a $45,000.00 fine if you get caught doing it.
Info on this thread is beyond awesome! I wish the whole world would look at it!
I called the county SO the other day and asked them if it was against the law to photo oil on the beach and no one there knew. Some one told me that there is a $45,000.00 fine if you get caught doing it.
Hansa44
Justine Case
y2ksurvivor
Veteran Member
Now Allen says relief well will move forward as planned...surprise, surprise
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
Dead Fish Washing Up Everywhere Due to BP Oil Spill and Dispersants
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/08/dead-fish-washing-up-everywhere-due-to.html
Days After Tar Balls Hit New York Beach Massive Fish Kills Stretch From New Jersey to Massachusetts
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/20...h-massive-fish-kills-stretch-nj-massachusets/
Friday the 13th Part II: Even larger plumes seeping from seafloor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV-DkVOX7qE&feature=player_embedded
Hundreds of Thousands of DEAD FISH on NEW JERSEY SHORE AUG 12 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag0oQm0dhXs
More Oil And Tar On Pensacola Beach
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKLaKQ4C7I8
The BP Cover-Up
http://motherjones.com/environment/2010/09/bp-ocean-cover-up
BP oil-methane-dispersant-drilling fluids disaster
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/12/oil_spill_mother_jones
Tax collector files claim against BP for loss of bed taxes
http://www.baynews9.com/article/new...-claim-with-BP-for-loss-of-bed-taxes-(I-poll)
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/08/dead-fish-washing-up-everywhere-due-to.html
Days After Tar Balls Hit New York Beach Massive Fish Kills Stretch From New Jersey to Massachusetts
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/20...h-massive-fish-kills-stretch-nj-massachusets/
Friday the 13th Part II: Even larger plumes seeping from seafloor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV-DkVOX7qE&feature=player_embedded
Hundreds of Thousands of DEAD FISH on NEW JERSEY SHORE AUG 12 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag0oQm0dhXs
More Oil And Tar On Pensacola Beach
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKLaKQ4C7I8
The BP Cover-Up
http://motherjones.com/environment/2010/09/bp-ocean-cover-up
BP oil-methane-dispersant-drilling fluids disaster
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/12/oil_spill_mother_jones
Tax collector files claim against BP for loss of bed taxes
http://www.baynews9.com/article/new...-claim-with-BP-for-loss-of-bed-taxes-(I-poll)
Hansa44
Justine Case
oops..... Looks like Thad Allen may have gotten a cajillion complaints that BP thought they wouldn't have to finish the well. Now...the big question is how will we prove that they actually did this after it's done????
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100813/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill
Feds say well's not dead yet, more drilling needed
By TOM BREEN, Associated Press Writer Tom Breen, Associated Press Writer – 29 mins ago
NEW ORLEANS – BP's broken oil well is not dead yet.
The government's point man on the crisis said Friday that the blown-out well is not securely plugged to his satisfaction and that the drilling of the relief well — long regarded as the only way to ensure that the hole at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico never leaks oil again — must go forward.
"The relief well will be finished," said retired Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen. "We will kill the well."
Work on the relief well was suspended earlier this week because of bad weather. Allen did not say when it would resume, but when the order comes, it could take four days to get the operation up and running again.
From there, it could be only a matter of days before the "bottom kill" is done and the blown-out well that wreaked havoc on the Gulf Coast economy and environment is no longer a threat.
Last week, BP plugged up the ruptured oil well from the top with mud and cement, and for a while, it appeared that the relief well that BP has been drilling 2 1/2 miles under the sea all summer long in an effort to seal up the leak from the bottom might not be necessary after all. But Allen dashed those hopes after scientists conducted pressure tests on Thursday.
Scientists had hoped that the cement pumped in from the top had plugged the gap between the well's inner pipe and its outer casing. The pressure tests showed some cement was in that gap, but officials don't know enough about what's there — or how much of it — to trust that there is a permanent seal, said Allen, who has repeatedly insisted on an "overabundance of caution" when it comes to plugging the well.
The well spilled an estimated 206 million gallons of crude into the sea before BP finally put a cap on it July 15. But that was always regarded as a temporary fix until the relief well and the bottom kill could be completed.
Bob Bea, a petroleum engineering professor at the University of California, Berkeley, said that given the results of the pressure tests, proceeding with the relief well makes sense.
"Everything we know at this time says we need to continue the work with the relief wells," he said. "We don't know the details of how they plugged the well from the top. We don't know the volume of material they put in the well bore, and without that we can't tell how close to the bottom of the well they got."
Drilling of the relief well began in early May, and the tunnel is now just 30 to 50 feet from the blown-out well. To intercept the well, the drillers must hit a target about the size of a dinner plate. Once they punch through, heavy drilling mud and cement will be injected into the bedrock.
Allen said scientists from BP and the government are working to ensure the bottom kill does not damage the cap and make the disaster worse. New equipment to ease the pressure inside the well might have to be installed, which would "significantly affect the timeline" for the final fix, Allen said, though he did not specify how much.
Officials from BP and the federal government have been touting the bottom kill as the final fix for weeks, and local officials said they were glad to hear it will go forward.
"If it's a nearly redundant safety measure, that makes sense to us," said Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, who attended a closed-door meeting with Allen, local leaders and other federal officials.
The possibility, floated earlier this week, that the well might already be plugged didn't sit well with local officials or environmentalists, who said they were leery of optimistic forecasts from BP and the government.
"After all this effort, why would they quit before they're done?" said Richard Charter, a senior policy adviser for Defenders of Wildlife. "If you had a trustworthy company and they said it's done, it's done. But in this case BP has not been a trustworthy company."
Along the Gulf Coast in Houma, La., construction worker Doug Hunt wearily wondered if the crisis would ever end upon hearing that the permanent fix was at least several more days off.
"All we've heard is oil, oil, oil. I guess they'll do the job sooner or later, but it will take a long time for the people here to recover from this," Hunt said.
The crisis began on April 20, after an explosion on the BP-leased Deepwater Horizon drilling rig that killed 11 workers.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100813/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill
Feds say well's not dead yet, more drilling needed
By TOM BREEN, Associated Press Writer Tom Breen, Associated Press Writer – 29 mins ago
NEW ORLEANS – BP's broken oil well is not dead yet.
The government's point man on the crisis said Friday that the blown-out well is not securely plugged to his satisfaction and that the drilling of the relief well — long regarded as the only way to ensure that the hole at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico never leaks oil again — must go forward.
"The relief well will be finished," said retired Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen. "We will kill the well."
Work on the relief well was suspended earlier this week because of bad weather. Allen did not say when it would resume, but when the order comes, it could take four days to get the operation up and running again.
From there, it could be only a matter of days before the "bottom kill" is done and the blown-out well that wreaked havoc on the Gulf Coast economy and environment is no longer a threat.
Last week, BP plugged up the ruptured oil well from the top with mud and cement, and for a while, it appeared that the relief well that BP has been drilling 2 1/2 miles under the sea all summer long in an effort to seal up the leak from the bottom might not be necessary after all. But Allen dashed those hopes after scientists conducted pressure tests on Thursday.
Scientists had hoped that the cement pumped in from the top had plugged the gap between the well's inner pipe and its outer casing. The pressure tests showed some cement was in that gap, but officials don't know enough about what's there — or how much of it — to trust that there is a permanent seal, said Allen, who has repeatedly insisted on an "overabundance of caution" when it comes to plugging the well.
The well spilled an estimated 206 million gallons of crude into the sea before BP finally put a cap on it July 15. But that was always regarded as a temporary fix until the relief well and the bottom kill could be completed.
Bob Bea, a petroleum engineering professor at the University of California, Berkeley, said that given the results of the pressure tests, proceeding with the relief well makes sense.
"Everything we know at this time says we need to continue the work with the relief wells," he said. "We don't know the details of how they plugged the well from the top. We don't know the volume of material they put in the well bore, and without that we can't tell how close to the bottom of the well they got."
Drilling of the relief well began in early May, and the tunnel is now just 30 to 50 feet from the blown-out well. To intercept the well, the drillers must hit a target about the size of a dinner plate. Once they punch through, heavy drilling mud and cement will be injected into the bedrock.
Allen said scientists from BP and the government are working to ensure the bottom kill does not damage the cap and make the disaster worse. New equipment to ease the pressure inside the well might have to be installed, which would "significantly affect the timeline" for the final fix, Allen said, though he did not specify how much.
Officials from BP and the federal government have been touting the bottom kill as the final fix for weeks, and local officials said they were glad to hear it will go forward.
"If it's a nearly redundant safety measure, that makes sense to us," said Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, who attended a closed-door meeting with Allen, local leaders and other federal officials.
The possibility, floated earlier this week, that the well might already be plugged didn't sit well with local officials or environmentalists, who said they were leery of optimistic forecasts from BP and the government.
"After all this effort, why would they quit before they're done?" said Richard Charter, a senior policy adviser for Defenders of Wildlife. "If you had a trustworthy company and they said it's done, it's done. But in this case BP has not been a trustworthy company."
Along the Gulf Coast in Houma, La., construction worker Doug Hunt wearily wondered if the crisis would ever end upon hearing that the permanent fix was at least several more days off.
"All we've heard is oil, oil, oil. I guess they'll do the job sooner or later, but it will take a long time for the people here to recover from this," Hunt said.
The crisis began on April 20, after an explosion on the BP-leased Deepwater Horizon drilling rig that killed 11 workers.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
I pray I'm wrong, but I really think, from all I've read, that they're scared to death.
If they "don't" drill the relief well, sooner or later the building pressure will either gouge exit holes right up through the earth into the open ocean floor---with no way at all to cut it off, or start seeping up around the well again or even blow off the cap....
If they "do" drill the relief well, when the line makes connection with all that oil and methane gas under such high pressure it will do a "DH Explosion redux" and blow sky-high again---and they'll have no idea what to do to stop it.
Praying I"m wrong...but the conflicting signals out of Washington, BP, and the Coast Guard are not reassuring.
If they "don't" drill the relief well, sooner or later the building pressure will either gouge exit holes right up through the earth into the open ocean floor---with no way at all to cut it off, or start seeping up around the well again or even blow off the cap....
If they "do" drill the relief well, when the line makes connection with all that oil and methane gas under such high pressure it will do a "DH Explosion redux" and blow sky-high again---and they'll have no idea what to do to stop it.
Praying I"m wrong...but the conflicting signals out of Washington, BP, and the Coast Guard are not reassuring.
I agree......I think BP and the feds are probably cursing behind the scenes.....at least the ones with a conscience. Allen is probably going to need a triple bipass after this thing is done.
It's been nothing but a sea of lies and manipulation from day one, and even before day one.
BP controls the cameras. Whatever they want us to see, we'll see. And neither BP nor the feds knows what the apparatrus looks like beneath the sea floor. It's all guesswork based on pressure readings, and I doubt the public is being given the real numbers on that either.
Day by day, the late Matt Simmons is proven right. He said the casing was gone or damaged; he said the formation was damaged. And now look, we've got BP and the feds admitting that they're losing mud and cement into the wrong part of the casing and the formation.
Guesses and prayers are all that's left.
I also agree that the relief well will be the most dangerous operation yet. Anything goes wrong with that, and all bets are off. If the formation is destroyed even further, then we may end up with accelerated leaks and possibly a sea floor collapse and subsequent tsunami as some have suggested.
On a side note............this hurricane season, that was supposed to be a whopper, has turned out to be a dud, and I don't think it's coincidence. I think the HAARP gang may actually be lending us a hand ...........for once.
Hansa44
Justine Case
Before they nixed most of the cameras a whole lot was going on down there around the well. A lot of it recorded and posted on youtube.
I'm with you Cm and hope to heaven we're just being silly. But something just isn't right and lots of people are feeling it. Just the sudden top kill thing and all the fabulous news coming out of there even tho the pressure readings were way below what Thad Allen said they HAD to be and then he suddenly changed his story.
thanks for posting my thoughts as i scroll thru the rest of the worlds disaster unexplained weather........
Chris Landau articles
Chris Landau has a lot of articles on BP's disaster. His main page is here (scroll down to see article list): http://www.opednews.com/author/articles/author47248.html And I'm going to post excerpts from his last 2 here.
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Are we about to have another blowout on the BP blowout well? By Chris Landau (geologist)
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Are-we-about-to-have-anoth-by-Chris-Landau-100812-88.html
Crucial negative pressure test, on BP blowout well, taking place before our eyes.
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On the 14th of July 2010, I wrote for OPED News the following paragraph:
"Mark Hafle, BP's senior drilling engineer testified to the MMS on May 28, 2010 that the well had lost integrity and that thousands of barrels of mud had been lost down this well during drilling. This meant that the formation integrity had blown out. Reports at the hearings in May also indicated that the LOW positive pressure tests on the day of the blowout on April 20, 2010 had passed but the negative pressure tests had failed, so the well was not properly sealed. This happened within a few hours of the blowout.
The cement-casing structure is compromised. The well had ballooned out and the formation had blown out, long before the blowout occurred."
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On the 4th of August 2010 their static kill was achieved at 13.2 pounds per gallon mudweight. No movement either in or out of oil or mud. If you were to increase the mud density in order to increase the pressure, above the 13.2 pounds per gallon (0.694 pounds per square inch per linear foot increase with depth) or 12742 psi at the bottom of the well (18360 feet), the drilling mud would flow out the well into the formation.
So just before the static kill began, we know that their pressure gauges were reading about 7000 psi. Where is the missing pressure of 5742 psi going? It is not entering the well. It was not measured by their pressure gauges.
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The pressure gauge does not yet read zero? It reads 4200 psi.
If this well can be easily sealed with cement now, then either BP has bungled their way through the last 114 days or the pressure has dropped drastically to allow the cement to seal this blowout well.
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There is some concern that the relief wells will pressurize "old oil in the annulus" and break the seal near the blow out preventer. Of more concern should be the worry that this is where the pressurized oil and gas resides and the blown out formations exist. This zone should be the super porous zone that absorbs all the cement and drilling mud and remains very difficult to seal.
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Has BP sealed the well casing or production pipe that did not need sealing? And we are now waiting for them to seal the annulus (the space between the casing and the rock strata) from the actual oil pressure threat, waiting to explode as soon as the cap is removed? Time will tell.
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This is the crucial NEGATIVE PRESSURE TEST TAKING PLACE BEFORE OUR EYES.
It must have BP on edge as it is this test which led to the blowout. Of course there was no cement plug on April 20, 2010, the day of the blowout. The pressure gauge should eventually read ZERO, when all the gas has been released if the cement seal is in good order. If however there are other breaks in the casing or other horizons of oil and gas at higher levels that are also supplying natural gas pressure, the pressure will fall more slowly and may stabilize at a value above zero psi.
Chris Landau has a lot of articles on BP's disaster. His main page is here (scroll down to see article list): http://www.opednews.com/author/articles/author47248.html And I'm going to post excerpts from his last 2 here.
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Are we about to have another blowout on the BP blowout well? By Chris Landau (geologist)
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Are-we-about-to-have-anoth-by-Chris-Landau-100812-88.html
Crucial negative pressure test, on BP blowout well, taking place before our eyes.
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On the 14th of July 2010, I wrote for OPED News the following paragraph:
"Mark Hafle, BP's senior drilling engineer testified to the MMS on May 28, 2010 that the well had lost integrity and that thousands of barrels of mud had been lost down this well during drilling. This meant that the formation integrity had blown out. Reports at the hearings in May also indicated that the LOW positive pressure tests on the day of the blowout on April 20, 2010 had passed but the negative pressure tests had failed, so the well was not properly sealed. This happened within a few hours of the blowout.
The cement-casing structure is compromised. The well had ballooned out and the formation had blown out, long before the blowout occurred."
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On the 4th of August 2010 their static kill was achieved at 13.2 pounds per gallon mudweight. No movement either in or out of oil or mud. If you were to increase the mud density in order to increase the pressure, above the 13.2 pounds per gallon (0.694 pounds per square inch per linear foot increase with depth) or 12742 psi at the bottom of the well (18360 feet), the drilling mud would flow out the well into the formation.
So just before the static kill began, we know that their pressure gauges were reading about 7000 psi. Where is the missing pressure of 5742 psi going? It is not entering the well. It was not measured by their pressure gauges.
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The pressure gauge does not yet read zero? It reads 4200 psi.
If this well can be easily sealed with cement now, then either BP has bungled their way through the last 114 days or the pressure has dropped drastically to allow the cement to seal this blowout well.
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There is some concern that the relief wells will pressurize "old oil in the annulus" and break the seal near the blow out preventer. Of more concern should be the worry that this is where the pressurized oil and gas resides and the blown out formations exist. This zone should be the super porous zone that absorbs all the cement and drilling mud and remains very difficult to seal.
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Has BP sealed the well casing or production pipe that did not need sealing? And we are now waiting for them to seal the annulus (the space between the casing and the rock strata) from the actual oil pressure threat, waiting to explode as soon as the cap is removed? Time will tell.
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This is the crucial NEGATIVE PRESSURE TEST TAKING PLACE BEFORE OUR EYES.
It must have BP on edge as it is this test which led to the blowout. Of course there was no cement plug on April 20, 2010, the day of the blowout. The pressure gauge should eventually read ZERO, when all the gas has been released if the cement seal is in good order. If however there are other breaks in the casing or other horizons of oil and gas at higher levels that are also supplying natural gas pressure, the pressure will fall more slowly and may stabilize at a value above zero psi.
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Dittos Milkydoo and Susan, same thoughts here too.
The heat is on......
BK Lim has a new article to follow his excellent piece from a couple weeks ago. For those who haven't seen the first one, please go here: http://bklim.newsvine.com/ and read that one as well as this new one.
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Tons of illustrations at both stories......the illustrations are integral to the text, so please visit the links!
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DWH blowout CSI - why it could not have happened as reported by BP.
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/201...it-could-not-have-happened-as-reported-by-bp-
Diagrammatic illustrations are used to explain why the Deepwater Horizon blowout could not have happened as reported by BP. BP could not have been drilling at Well A location when the 20th April blowout occurred, but an undisclosed seabed location (S20BC) 720ft NW of Well A. BP capped the wrong well as many had long suspected but unable to prove without insiders' information. This cover-up on such a massive and unprecedented scale could not have gone on for so long without the tacit approval of the top BP executives.
See for yourself the improbability of the twisted Riser wreck standing 1500 ft above the seabed as illustrated by Aljazeera's interpretation of BP's official version of the blowout. Then compare that with the logical explanation of what actually happened in figures 8a to 8h.
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Original link found at Rense, which leads to Dr. Tom Termotto's page and his comment on BK Lim's new piece: http://phoenixrisingfromthegulf.wordpress.com/2010/08/14/diagrams-of-the-deepwater-horizon-blowout/
BK Lim has a new article to follow his excellent piece from a couple weeks ago. For those who haven't seen the first one, please go here: http://bklim.newsvine.com/ and read that one as well as this new one.
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Tons of illustrations at both stories......the illustrations are integral to the text, so please visit the links!
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DWH blowout CSI - why it could not have happened as reported by BP.
http://bklim.newsvine.com/_news/201...it-could-not-have-happened-as-reported-by-bp-
Diagrammatic illustrations are used to explain why the Deepwater Horizon blowout could not have happened as reported by BP. BP could not have been drilling at Well A location when the 20th April blowout occurred, but an undisclosed seabed location (S20BC) 720ft NW of Well A. BP capped the wrong well as many had long suspected but unable to prove without insiders' information. This cover-up on such a massive and unprecedented scale could not have gone on for so long without the tacit approval of the top BP executives.
See for yourself the improbability of the twisted Riser wreck standing 1500 ft above the seabed as illustrated by Aljazeera's interpretation of BP's official version of the blowout. Then compare that with the logical explanation of what actually happened in figures 8a to 8h.
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Original link found at Rense, which leads to Dr. Tom Termotto's page and his comment on BK Lim's new piece: http://phoenixrisingfromthegulf.wordpress.com/2010/08/14/diagrams-of-the-deepwater-horizon-blowout/
Hansa44
Justine Case
Thanks Milkydoo.
I found your 2nd link much easier to access. I'm only posting this again so people don't give up going to first link.
http://phoenixrisingfromthegulf.wordpress.com/2010/08/14/diagrams-of-the-deepwater-horizon-blowout/
I found your 2nd link much easier to access. I'm only posting this again so people don't give up going to first link.
http://phoenixrisingfromthegulf.wordpress.com/2010/08/14/diagrams-of-the-deepwater-horizon-blowout/
news link about a Gulf clean up employee now claiming his health has been destroyed by chemicals used in the Gulf
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/video?id=7610557
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/video?id=7610557
A few more stories worthy of review. (links found at Rense)
First, two videos of fishermen taking a city council to task over lack of representation surrounding the event. I only had time to watch the first few minutes, but the guy is not happy, and the council members look like they might need to change their shorts afterwards...... http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/h...looks-like-a-ufo-underwater-dont-it-pgi-video
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BP Well May Not Be Permanently Plugged Until September as Method Reviewed
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...ugged-until-september-as-method-reviewed.html
BP Plc’s Macondo well in the Gulf of Mexico may not be permanently killed until September as U.S. officials consider two options to allow a final plugging procedure from the bottom while controlling pressure at the top.
A team of federal scientists and BP engineers is looking at either attaching a pressure-control system to the top of the well or installing a new blowout preventer, an emergency device designed to stop the flow of oil and gas, National Incident Commander Thad Allen said today during a press conference.
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USF scientists find oil spill damage to critical marine life
http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/college/article1115706.ece
(only half posted here.......please click link for full article)
By Craig Pittman, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Wednesday, August 18, 2010
ST. PETERSBURG — Far from being gone, the oil from the Deepwater Horizon disaster appears to still be causing ecological damage in the Gulf of Mexico, according to new findings from University of South Florida scientists.
And scientists from the University of Georgia said the amount of oil that remains in the water could be 70 to 79 percent of the more than 4 million barrels of oil that escaped into the gulf.
Both reports again raise questions about the Obama administration's claim, made two weeks ago, that most of the oil spewed from BP's well is either gone or widely dispersed.
USF marine scientists conducting experiments in an area where they previously found clouds of oil have now discovered what appears to be oil in the sediment of a vital underwater canyon and evidence that the oil has become toxic to critical marine organisms, the college reported Tuesday.
In preliminary results, the scientists aboard the Weatherbird II discovered that oil droplets are scattered on sediment in the DeSoto Canyon, a critical spawning ground for commercially important fish species about 40 miles southeast of Panama City.
The oil isn't spread across the sandy bottom like a blanket, explained David Hollander. Instead, when the scientists shined ultraviolet light on the sediment samples, it picked up lots of dots from tiny oil droplets.
"They sparkled … like a constellation of stars," Hollander said.
USF's scientists also found that the oil droplets were toxic to some phytoplankton, microscopic plants that form the base of the gulf's food chain, as well as some bacteria. The oil doesn't accumulate within the plankton, but rather kills it.
If the droplets wipe out enough phytoplankton, it could alter the food supply for larger creatures such as fish and crabs in the same way a cattle pasture that loses all its grass alters the food supply for steak fans.
--snipped half-way for legal reasons.......please read the 2nd half at above link!
First, two videos of fishermen taking a city council to task over lack of representation surrounding the event. I only had time to watch the first few minutes, but the guy is not happy, and the council members look like they might need to change their shorts afterwards...... http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/h...looks-like-a-ufo-underwater-dont-it-pgi-video
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BP Well May Not Be Permanently Plugged Until September as Method Reviewed
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...ugged-until-september-as-method-reviewed.html
BP Plc’s Macondo well in the Gulf of Mexico may not be permanently killed until September as U.S. officials consider two options to allow a final plugging procedure from the bottom while controlling pressure at the top.
A team of federal scientists and BP engineers is looking at either attaching a pressure-control system to the top of the well or installing a new blowout preventer, an emergency device designed to stop the flow of oil and gas, National Incident Commander Thad Allen said today during a press conference.
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USF scientists find oil spill damage to critical marine life
http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/college/article1115706.ece
(only half posted here.......please click link for full article)
By Craig Pittman, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Wednesday, August 18, 2010
ST. PETERSBURG — Far from being gone, the oil from the Deepwater Horizon disaster appears to still be causing ecological damage in the Gulf of Mexico, according to new findings from University of South Florida scientists.
And scientists from the University of Georgia said the amount of oil that remains in the water could be 70 to 79 percent of the more than 4 million barrels of oil that escaped into the gulf.
Both reports again raise questions about the Obama administration's claim, made two weeks ago, that most of the oil spewed from BP's well is either gone or widely dispersed.
USF marine scientists conducting experiments in an area where they previously found clouds of oil have now discovered what appears to be oil in the sediment of a vital underwater canyon and evidence that the oil has become toxic to critical marine organisms, the college reported Tuesday.
In preliminary results, the scientists aboard the Weatherbird II discovered that oil droplets are scattered on sediment in the DeSoto Canyon, a critical spawning ground for commercially important fish species about 40 miles southeast of Panama City.
The oil isn't spread across the sandy bottom like a blanket, explained David Hollander. Instead, when the scientists shined ultraviolet light on the sediment samples, it picked up lots of dots from tiny oil droplets.
"They sparkled … like a constellation of stars," Hollander said.
USF's scientists also found that the oil droplets were toxic to some phytoplankton, microscopic plants that form the base of the gulf's food chain, as well as some bacteria. The oil doesn't accumulate within the plankton, but rather kills it.
If the droplets wipe out enough phytoplankton, it could alter the food supply for larger creatures such as fish and crabs in the same way a cattle pasture that loses all its grass alters the food supply for steak fans.
--snipped half-way for legal reasons.......please read the 2nd half at above link!
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BP, Feds don’t know what’s causing pressure drop: “We’re concerned about the vital signs of this well. We continue to be concerned about the vital signs.” (VIDEO)
http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/b...e-to-be-concerned-about-the-vital-signs-video
Feds delay completion of relief well until MID-SEPTEMBER, “HOPEFULLY… HOPEFULLY” — Looking for problematic “MATERIAL” in well (VIDEO)
http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/f...ooking-for-problematic-material-in-well-video
National Incident Commander Thad Allen on American Morning, CNN, August 19, 2010:
Health Effects of the Gulf Oil Spill[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Gina M. Solomon, MD, MPH; Sarah Janssen, MD, PhD, MPH [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif] JAMA. Published online August 16, 2010. doi:10.1001/jama.2010.1254[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]The oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico poses direct threats to human health from inhalation or dermal contact with the oil and dispersant chemicals, and indirect threats to seafood safety and mental health. Physicians should be familiar with health effects from oil spills to appropriately advise, diagnose, and treat patients who live and work along the Gulf Coast or wherever a major oil spill occurs.[/FONT]
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In Louisiana in the early months of the oil spill, more than 300 individuals, three-fourths of whom were cleanup workers, sought medical care for constitutional symptoms such as headaches, dizziness, nausea, vomiting, cough, respiratory distress, and chest pain. These symptoms are typical of acute exposure to hydrocarbons or hydrogen sulfide, but it is difficult to clinically distinguish toxic symptoms from other common illnesses.
--snip-- read full article at link above
Unrelated to BP news: Remember that blowout in
LA last week. Well, no quick fix for that one either. First attempt fixes have failed, it appears, and now they're going to drill relief wells that might take up to 6 weeks.
http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/23159
http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/b...e-to-be-concerned-about-the-vital-signs-video
Feds delay completion of relief well until MID-SEPTEMBER, “HOPEFULLY… HOPEFULLY” — Looking for problematic “MATERIAL” in well (VIDEO)
http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/f...ooking-for-problematic-material-in-well-video
National Incident Commander Thad Allen on American Morning, CNN, August 19, 2010:
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/jama.2010.1254[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]
Health Effects of the Gulf Oil Spill[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Gina M. Solomon, MD, MPH; Sarah Janssen, MD, PhD, MPH [/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif] JAMA. Published online August 16, 2010. doi:10.1001/jama.2010.1254[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]The oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico poses direct threats to human health from inhalation or dermal contact with the oil and dispersant chemicals, and indirect threats to seafood safety and mental health. Physicians should be familiar with health effects from oil spills to appropriately advise, diagnose, and treat patients who live and work along the Gulf Coast or wherever a major oil spill occurs.[/FONT]
--snip--
In Louisiana in the early months of the oil spill, more than 300 individuals, three-fourths of whom were cleanup workers, sought medical care for constitutional symptoms such as headaches, dizziness, nausea, vomiting, cough, respiratory distress, and chest pain. These symptoms are typical of acute exposure to hydrocarbons or hydrogen sulfide, but it is difficult to clinically distinguish toxic symptoms from other common illnesses.
--snip-- read full article at link above
Unrelated to BP news: Remember that blowout in
LA last week. Well, no quick fix for that one either. First attempt fixes have failed, it appears, and now they're going to drill relief wells that might take up to 6 weeks.
http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/23159
mzkitty
I give up.
Scientists challenge federal Gulf spill estimates, report undersea 'plume' 21 miles from BP well - Washington Post http://bit.ly/9ah82K
12 minutes ago via breakingnews.com
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Scientists report undersea oil plume stretching 21 miles from BP spill site
By David A. Fahrenthold and Kimberly Kindy
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, August 19, 2010; 2:29 PM
Academic scientists are challenging the Obama administration's assertion that most of BP's oil is either gone or rapidly disappearing -- citing, among other evidence, the discovery of an undersea "plume" of oil stretching more than 21 miles from the well site.
News of the plume was announced Thursday afternoon by researchers from Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts. In late June, they found an invisible cloud of oil droplets as tall as a 65-story building and more than a mile wide.
Since then, they said, all that oil was unlikely to have been consumed by the gulf's crop of hydrocarbon-eating microbes. These work quickly in the warm waters near the surface, but far more slowly in the cold, deep region where the plume was found.
"Our data would predict that the plume would still be there now," said Benjamin Van Mooy, a Woods Hole researcher.
In a press conference Thursday afternoon, Woods Hole researchers declined to speculate about how their findings should alter the government's official "budget" of what became of BP's oil. Their inquiry, they said, was limited to finding the plume -- and they had not determined how much of all the spilled oil it contained.
In the future, "we may be able to say whether [this plume] is a penny in a very large checkbook," said Christopher Reddy, of Woods Hole. "Or whether it's bigger."
Also this week, university researchers have raised questions about the math used in the government's accounting. Another group reported finding other indications of lingering oil -- this time, droplets on the gulf floor off Florida.
"It all adds up to: It's not gone," said David Hollander, a professor at the University of South Florida, who worked on the sea-floor study.
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The federal government's initial estimate of the oil's fate, which was announced at the White House earlier this month, provided a drastic shift in the narrative of the spill. Suddenly, the disaster looked manageable -- its mysteries distilled into a pie chart.
"More than three-quarters of the oil is gone. The vast majority of the oil is gone," White House climate and energy czar Carol M. Browner said Aug. 4.
The actual report did not go that far, but it did portray a spill that was rapidly losing its punch. The report said of the 4.9 million barrels (205.8 million gallons) that escaped BP's well, about half had been cleaned up, evaporated or dissolved.
The other half might still be in the gulf, the report said. But much of it had been dispersed into tiny droplets, the government said, and it sent out a news release saying "early indications are that the oil is degrading quickly." The government-led cleanup has pumped 1.8 million gallons of dispersant chemicals into the gulf -- breaking the oil into droplets that bacteria can eat more easily, but also helping to sink it under the surface. On Wednesday, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration head Jane Lubchenco said the government was doing further research on the fate of the oil and its impact on the environment.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/19/AR2010081904127.html
12 minutes ago via breakingnews.com
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Scientists report undersea oil plume stretching 21 miles from BP spill site
By David A. Fahrenthold and Kimberly Kindy
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, August 19, 2010; 2:29 PM
Academic scientists are challenging the Obama administration's assertion that most of BP's oil is either gone or rapidly disappearing -- citing, among other evidence, the discovery of an undersea "plume" of oil stretching more than 21 miles from the well site.
News of the plume was announced Thursday afternoon by researchers from Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts. In late June, they found an invisible cloud of oil droplets as tall as a 65-story building and more than a mile wide.
Since then, they said, all that oil was unlikely to have been consumed by the gulf's crop of hydrocarbon-eating microbes. These work quickly in the warm waters near the surface, but far more slowly in the cold, deep region where the plume was found.
"Our data would predict that the plume would still be there now," said Benjamin Van Mooy, a Woods Hole researcher.
In a press conference Thursday afternoon, Woods Hole researchers declined to speculate about how their findings should alter the government's official "budget" of what became of BP's oil. Their inquiry, they said, was limited to finding the plume -- and they had not determined how much of all the spilled oil it contained.
In the future, "we may be able to say whether [this plume] is a penny in a very large checkbook," said Christopher Reddy, of Woods Hole. "Or whether it's bigger."
Also this week, university researchers have raised questions about the math used in the government's accounting. Another group reported finding other indications of lingering oil -- this time, droplets on the gulf floor off Florida.
"It all adds up to: It's not gone," said David Hollander, a professor at the University of South Florida, who worked on the sea-floor study.
ad_icon
The federal government's initial estimate of the oil's fate, which was announced at the White House earlier this month, provided a drastic shift in the narrative of the spill. Suddenly, the disaster looked manageable -- its mysteries distilled into a pie chart.
"More than three-quarters of the oil is gone. The vast majority of the oil is gone," White House climate and energy czar Carol M. Browner said Aug. 4.
The actual report did not go that far, but it did portray a spill that was rapidly losing its punch. The report said of the 4.9 million barrels (205.8 million gallons) that escaped BP's well, about half had been cleaned up, evaporated or dissolved.
The other half might still be in the gulf, the report said. But much of it had been dispersed into tiny droplets, the government said, and it sent out a news release saying "early indications are that the oil is degrading quickly." The government-led cleanup has pumped 1.8 million gallons of dispersant chemicals into the gulf -- breaking the oil into droplets that bacteria can eat more easily, but also helping to sink it under the surface. On Wednesday, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration head Jane Lubchenco said the government was doing further research on the fate of the oil and its impact on the environment.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/19/AR2010081904127.html
Tom McDowell
BAMN
Senior U.S. scientist rescinds previous claim that 3/4 of oil from spill is gone, says most is still there
Thursday, August 19th, 2010 at 9:27 pm | BNO News | Leave a Comment
By BNO News
http://wireupdate.com/local/senior-...-from-spill-is-gone-says-most-is-still-there/
WASHINGTON, D.C. (BNO NEWS) – A senior U.S. government scientist on Thursday admitted that three-quarters of the oil that was released into the Gulf of Mexico after BP’s Deepwater Horizon spill was still there, contradicting his earlier claim that the worst of the spill had passed, the Guardian reported.
Bill Lehr, senior scientist at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), presented a radically different picture than the one the White House had presented to the public earlier this month. He contradicted his own reports from two weeks ago that suggested that the majority of the oil had been captured or broken down. “I would say most of that is still in the environment,” Lehr told the House energy and commerce committee.
His statement seems to all but confirm suspicions within the scientific community that the White House was trying to spin and hide scientific data regarding the damage of the oil spill. The only member of Congress who turned up at the hearing was Ed Markey, the committee chair. Lehr did, however, revise the amount of oil that spilled into the gulf, saying that only 4.1 million barrels were spilled versus the previous estimate of 4.9, noting that 800,000 barrels were siphoned directly from the well.
A number of estimates that aren’t coming from the White House suggest that as much as 90 percent of the oil is unaccounted for. Lehr himself said that only 6 percent was burned and the other 4 percent was skimmed, but he wasn’t confident on the amount collected from beaches.
Markey was visible upset and critical of Lehr, saying that the released report by NOAA gave the public a false sense of confidence. “You shouldn’t have released it until you knew it was right,” he said.
“People want to believe that everything is OK and I think this report and the way it is being discussed is giving many people a false sense of confidence regarding the state of the Gulf.”
The Obama administration’s credibility took a dive after Ian MacDonald, ocean scientist at Florida State University and has studied the Gulf of Mexico for 30 years, said that the White House made “sweeping and largely unsupported” claims by saying that three-quarters of the oil was gone. “I believe this report is misleading,” he said. “The imprint will be there in the Gulf of Mexico for the rest of my life. It is not gone and it will not go away quickly.” He further went on to note the tipping point from which the ecosystem in the Gulf wouldn’t recover.
Today’s testimony and further evidence that continues to crop up within the scientific community put the White House in an uneasy situation as the November elections aren’t far off.
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Wonder what statement was all about.
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Thursday, August 19th, 2010 at 9:27 pm | BNO News | Leave a Comment
By BNO News
http://wireupdate.com/local/senior-...-from-spill-is-gone-says-most-is-still-there/
WASHINGTON, D.C. (BNO NEWS) – A senior U.S. government scientist on Thursday admitted that three-quarters of the oil that was released into the Gulf of Mexico after BP’s Deepwater Horizon spill was still there, contradicting his earlier claim that the worst of the spill had passed, the Guardian reported.
Bill Lehr, senior scientist at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), presented a radically different picture than the one the White House had presented to the public earlier this month. He contradicted his own reports from two weeks ago that suggested that the majority of the oil had been captured or broken down. “I would say most of that is still in the environment,” Lehr told the House energy and commerce committee.
His statement seems to all but confirm suspicions within the scientific community that the White House was trying to spin and hide scientific data regarding the damage of the oil spill. The only member of Congress who turned up at the hearing was Ed Markey, the committee chair. Lehr did, however, revise the amount of oil that spilled into the gulf, saying that only 4.1 million barrels were spilled versus the previous estimate of 4.9, noting that 800,000 barrels were siphoned directly from the well.
A number of estimates that aren’t coming from the White House suggest that as much as 90 percent of the oil is unaccounted for. Lehr himself said that only 6 percent was burned and the other 4 percent was skimmed, but he wasn’t confident on the amount collected from beaches.
Markey was visible upset and critical of Lehr, saying that the released report by NOAA gave the public a false sense of confidence. “You shouldn’t have released it until you knew it was right,” he said.
“People want to believe that everything is OK and I think this report and the way it is being discussed is giving many people a false sense of confidence regarding the state of the Gulf.”
The Obama administration’s credibility took a dive after Ian MacDonald, ocean scientist at Florida State University and has studied the Gulf of Mexico for 30 years, said that the White House made “sweeping and largely unsupported” claims by saying that three-quarters of the oil was gone. “I believe this report is misleading,” he said. “The imprint will be there in the Gulf of Mexico for the rest of my life. It is not gone and it will not go away quickly.” He further went on to note the tipping point from which the ecosystem in the Gulf wouldn’t recover.
Today’s testimony and further evidence that continues to crop up within the scientific community put the White House in an uneasy situation as the November elections aren’t far off.
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Wonder what statement was all about.
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Tom McDowell
BAMN
On 1382 of this thread I wrote:
Guess what?
It's happening now.
Youtube vid of the connection being made at the top of the stack- connection made around the five minute mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFUTSmTrbVE
For the step by step details:
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6873#more
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Guess what?
It's happening now.
Youtube vid of the connection being made at the top of the stack- connection made around the five minute mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFUTSmTrbVE
For the step by step details:
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6873#more
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Rig's owner says BP failing to share data needed to determine cause of Gulf oil spill
By Dina Cappiello (CP) – 15 hours ago
Full text at link.......snippets below
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jU3TgBG_2l3VtKOaSAF0AQskBYKA
By Dina Cappiello (CP) – 15 hours ago
Full text at link.......snippets below
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jU3TgBG_2l3VtKOaSAF0AQskBYKA