David the Aspie
Resident Aspie
Sounds fair enough, Satanta.
USA Now is the time to legalize (and tax) drugs, prostitution, and gambling
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Sounds fair enough, Satanta.
David the Aspie
Resident Aspie
Rummer,
Here you go on an emotional tangent. People, unfortunately, cheat on their spouses. I do believe that the law should be amended to give favour to the aggrieved party/parties in a divorce case.
I believe one should commit or not. There is a rational argument for imposing fiduciary punishments for an unfaithful spouse as the two parties engaged in a legal contract and unless the other party gave permission for the adultery, then a breach of contract occurred.
Many of the clients of prostitutes tend to be lonely males. To be honest, if prostitution were legalised, regulated and affordable, I would partake in it. Being a 27-year-old virgin is getting to be psychologically unbearable.
You know Tech32 and Dragonslayer. Both of your arguments are rediculous. Sure there must be laws or society would be chaos. Simply because their are evil people in this world that could care less about your life or anyone elses.
The religion stepping on the toes of freedom argument won't hunt.
People can have thier own beliefs in a religious aspect without destroying moral standards. What does one use to determine what is moral or immoral? There are people without concience out there and thir standards of what is right or wrong are way below a civil society's standards.
With what you say we might as well say it's ok to murder, rape, or steal.
I'll not argue with you. To each his own, but hopefully most have a little moral sense. I am sick of peoople trying to use the freedom thing against what is right! That's a big part of what is wrong with this world today.
The religion stepping on the toes of freedom argument won't hunt.
People can have thier own beliefs in a religious aspect without destroying moral standards. What does one use to determine what is moral or immoral? There are people without concience out there and thir standards of what is right or wrong are way below a civil society's standards.
With what you say we might as well say it's ok to murder, rape, or steal.
I'll not argue with you. To each his own, but hopefully most have a little moral sense. I am sick of peoople trying to use the freedom thing against what is right! That's a big part of what is wrong with this world today.
TECH32
Veteran Member
Ozarkian,
Interesting....
I never said I was against having laws. As a libertarian I'm just against "nanny" laws that are designed to protect people from themselves (almost all of which are supported by folks because it reflects their particular religious beliefs). Again, as long as the people involved are consenting adults, they should be able to do whatever they want without Govt. intervention.
Please explain how this philosophy destroys society.
Interesting....
I never said I was against having laws. As a libertarian I'm just against "nanny" laws that are designed to protect people from themselves (almost all of which are supported by folks because it reflects their particular religious beliefs). Again, as long as the people involved are consenting adults, they should be able to do whatever they want without Govt. intervention.
Please explain how this philosophy destroys society.
From the original article:
" ... black markets that generate huge amounts of what economists call "deadweight losses," or activity that doesn't contribute to increased productivity ... "
I almost snorted coffee out my nose when I read this ... sounds like an apt description of the federal government!
OldMan
" ... black markets that generate huge amounts of what economists call "deadweight losses," or activity that doesn't contribute to increased productivity ... "
I almost snorted coffee out my nose when I read this ... sounds like an apt description of the federal government!
OldMan 
dieseltrooper
Inactive
I've confined my opinions to the drug legalization aspect since that is where I see the biggest problems. Casinos seem to be everywhere, maybe due to living in OK....
Gvt will not allow drugs to be legalized without having full control of the operation, from manufacture to point of sale, thereby creating even more laws and bureaucracy.
What if some states refuse to go along with Fed drug legalization?
I have no interest in the prostitution angle, except for the exploitation of underage runaways and the girls who were molested that seem to fall into that life.
We do incarcerate far too many non-viloent offenders. We also incarcerate far too many violent offenders. If the rapists,killers, and child abusers were executed, all the better. Here in my city, there is a thriving "community sentencing" program that keeps many non-violent offenders out of jail, but that program costs $$ also. They do require the people to pay for their UA's and are frequently "volunteered" for community service...
Gvt will not allow drugs to be legalized without having full control of the operation, from manufacture to point of sale, thereby creating even more laws and bureaucracy.
What if some states refuse to go along with Fed drug legalization?
I have no interest in the prostitution angle, except for the exploitation of underage runaways and the girls who were molested that seem to fall into that life.
We do incarcerate far too many non-viloent offenders. We also incarcerate far too many violent offenders. If the rapists,killers, and child abusers were executed, all the better. Here in my city, there is a thriving "community sentencing" program that keeps many non-violent offenders out of jail, but that program costs $$ also. They do require the people to pay for their UA's and are frequently "volunteered" for community service...
TECH32
Veteran Member
See my comment above. The Govt. ALSO takes in money because of the WOD. Asset forfeiture, court fines, cash seized, etc.
Big bucks there...
Sebastian
Sebastian
With that reasoning almost everything would be illegal.
He spends to much time with his hobbies!
She spends to much time on the phone!
It hurts the children!
Its for the children!
Liberty is not for whimps!
So go to winnie land in north Korea if liberty scares you
A Neo-Scarlett Letter?
Outrage as Swaziland MP suggests branding the buttocks of HIV sufferers to promote safe sex
A proposal to brand the buttocks of people suffering from HIV has caused outrage in a country ravaged by the disease.
Swaziland MP Timothy Myeni suggested making HIV tests compulsory for every person in the southern African state and then forcing those who were infected to be permanently marked with a warning logo.
Mr Myeni claimed the scheme would help stop the spread of the killer disease by reducing sexual activity between HIV positive people and uninfected partners.
Speaking at a workshop for MPs on how to tackle the AIDS epidemic, he added: ‘Before having sex with anyone, people will have to check their partners’ buttocks before proceeding,’
Campaigners furiously criticised the idea.
Swaziland has the highest HIV infection rate in the world, with around 43 percent of the population believed to be living with the disease.
The tiny landlocked southern African kingdom has previously been criticised for its failure to tackle the condition.
In 2001 Swaziland’s king Maswati III was accused of dangerous double standards over HIV.
http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/brand_buttocks_of_everyone_infected_with_hiv
Outrage as Swaziland MP suggests branding the buttocks of HIV sufferers to promote safe sex
A proposal to brand the buttocks of people suffering from HIV has caused outrage in a country ravaged by the disease.
Swaziland MP Timothy Myeni suggested making HIV tests compulsory for every person in the southern African state and then forcing those who were infected to be permanently marked with a warning logo.
Mr Myeni claimed the scheme would help stop the spread of the killer disease by reducing sexual activity between HIV positive people and uninfected partners.
Speaking at a workshop for MPs on how to tackle the AIDS epidemic, he added: ‘Before having sex with anyone, people will have to check their partners’ buttocks before proceeding,’
Campaigners furiously criticised the idea.
Swaziland has the highest HIV infection rate in the world, with around 43 percent of the population believed to be living with the disease.
The tiny landlocked southern African kingdom has previously been criticised for its failure to tackle the condition.
In 2001 Swaziland’s king Maswati III was accused of dangerous double standards over HIV.
http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/brand_buttocks_of_everyone_infected_with_hiv
Tech32 said" never said I was against having laws. As a libertarian I'm just against "nanny" laws that are designed to protect people from themselves (almost all of which are supported by folks because it reflects their particular religious beliefs). Again, as long as the people involved are consenting adults, they should be able to do whatever they want without Govt. intervention."
That's bs. Are you saying consenting adults can kill, rape, and pillage as ;long as they agree? Really what your saying is that you don't won't laws based on religion, or beliefs! Get a clue mister!
That's bs. Are you saying consenting adults can kill, rape, and pillage as ;long as they agree? Really what your saying is that you don't won't laws based on religion, or beliefs! Get a clue mister!
TECH32
Veteran Member
I have more than a clue my friend. By definition, the things you list aren't "consentual" acts - they are acts of aggression and violence and there should be laws against them.
It's the activities people engage in where no one involved is saying "Hey, government, come over here and get involved". If adults want to gamble, they should be able to do so without govt. intervention. Same thing with drugs and prostitution. If everyone involved is an adult and wants to engage in that activity, then there's no reason for the govt. to tell them otherwise.
Men create governments to become more free, not less...
rummer
Veteran Member
Ummm bite me. Liberty has nothing to do with harming others and making them victims. In some area's in the world Women are stoned to death because they were unfortunately were raped by their own Fathers, it is legal to do so. So just because it is legal to stone a young girl to death, does that make it right? You mention Liberties, your Liberties, what about my Liberties. Just because something is Legal does not mean there are not victims. Legal ramifications are in place to help keep an orderly society, without such we would still be clubbing each other to death in caves, and living as animals. Oh and on a side note, I fight for liberties and deafened more than you would ever know and I am far from a wimp.
I would venture to guess that most of us "liberty" oriented people believe something along the lines of:
"My rights end where yours begin, and your rights end where mine begin."
So, to look at your example of killing, raping, and pillaging, all of those involve the infringing or taking of someone else's rights and are therefore wrong. That's what laws are for, generally speaking. If I want to sit in my house and take drugs, I'm not infringing on another person's rights, so there's no need for a law or government involvement at all. Ditto for gambling, or the exchange of money for sex. If the parties are agreeable and they're not infringing on anyone else's rights, more power to them.
People always want to jump to the conclusion that those who espouse freedom even for people who do things we would not must therefore support things like pedophilia, murder, bestiality, and rape. It's a straw man argument, and it's wrong.
dragonslayer2001
Inactive
Morality
is fine and necessary. What is not fine and necessary are people willing to LOCK PEOPLE UP IN PRISONS FOR YEARS AND YEARS because they are out doing something some so called 'moral' person doesn't like.
I am sick of peoople trying to use the freedom thing against what is right!
I am sick of people willing to lock almost anyone up for almost anything. FASCISM.
is fine and necessary. What is not fine and necessary are people willing to LOCK PEOPLE UP IN PRISONS FOR YEARS AND YEARS because they are out doing something some so called 'moral' person doesn't like.
I am sick of peoople trying to use the freedom thing against what is right!
I am sick of people willing to lock almost anyone up for almost anything. FASCISM.
Jumpy Frog
Browncoat sympathizer
Make it all legal; the cream will rise and the sludge will fall. I like to gamble when I have the time and surplus cash...........just like going to the movies, or taking DW out to dinner.
Paying for sex, everyone does it, it just matters to what degree, and the stipulations of the agreement.
Drugs........I'm all for legalization. It's stupid to say that drugs are bad, yet we have entire stores and fortune 500 companies set up in the trade. Legalize it all IMO. Let the filth kill themselves, let those that want to use it like booze or tobacco have at it............I still won't partake.
Let freedom ring.
Paying for sex, everyone does it, it just matters to what degree, and the stipulations of the agreement.
Drugs........I'm all for legalization. It's stupid to say that drugs are bad, yet we have entire stores and fortune 500 companies set up in the trade. Legalize it all IMO. Let the filth kill themselves, let those that want to use it like booze or tobacco have at it............I still won't partake.
Let freedom ring.
MikeD
Membership Revoked
David the Aspie: Hey, it might be worth checking out Nevada. You might find this site interesting in regards to your issues. This is not a porn site. It is information re: Nevada's brothels. There is an opportunity to opt-out on page one. That's a bout all I know re: brothels in Nevada, but I thought you might be interested. At 27 yo I would be: http://www.nevadabrotheltimes.com/
Donald Shimoda
In Absentia
Howdy, Folks!
The title of this thread:
"Now is the time to legalize (and tax) drugs, prostitution, and gambling"
What would we *really* be doing, here?
We would not be legalizing and taxing drugs, prostitution, and gambling.
We would be reinforcing addictive behaviors.
The addict gets a "government stamp of approval" in the form of direct taxation on these behaviors, thus reinforcing in the addict's mind that they really don't have a problem - "it's legal and taxed, so how can it be wrong?"
Thus encouraged, the addict would be even less likely to seek assistance for their issue.
The added expense of assisting the addicts and the people in their lives that will be negatively affected by their addictive behavior could certainly cost far more than any tax revenue seen from taxing drugs, prostitution, and gambling.
Reinforcing the behaviors of addicts with the gloss of "taxation" is NOT the path we want to go down, folks.
The title of this thread:
"Now is the time to legalize (and tax) drugs, prostitution, and gambling"
What would we *really* be doing, here?
We would not be legalizing and taxing drugs, prostitution, and gambling.
We would be reinforcing addictive behaviors.
The addict gets a "government stamp of approval" in the form of direct taxation on these behaviors, thus reinforcing in the addict's mind that they really don't have a problem - "it's legal and taxed, so how can it be wrong?"
Thus encouraged, the addict would be even less likely to seek assistance for their issue.
The added expense of assisting the addicts and the people in their lives that will be negatively affected by their addictive behavior could certainly cost far more than any tax revenue seen from taxing drugs, prostitution, and gambling.
Reinforcing the behaviors of addicts with the gloss of "taxation" is NOT the path we want to go down, folks.
CIA won't let others take over their control of the drug trade which is their gravy train of easy money, same as the PTB won't let Detroit or others overseas car companies making cars that get real g ood g as mileage. The pharma companies don't want the public to grow their own drugs in their backyards either. It would collapse all these multibillion industries worldwide that the PTB control. Does anyone seriously think they will willingly just give it up? 
Add their control over the school system, the media, the food industry, etc, etc. It isn't the mob, it isn't the local gangbangers that setup and control these global industries, they are all controlled by the PTB on a global scale... the one world government that plans on coming out of the closet rather soon.
But I can understand the point of view of those seeking to return to 'simpler' days before all these illicit industries were setup to better control us sheep through drugs, legal and illegal; chemicals and pesticides and vaccinations to fill our bodies full of poison so that they can send us to their HMO's and their hospitals and graveyards.
I do understand that it seems 'right' to legalize all this stuff since 'anything goes' these days what with kidnapping and torture now legal and approved by the federal governments. But then, sooner or later we each realize that what is legal, is not necessarily 'right', 'moral', but rather the opposite. This lesson has been repeating as of late and seems destined to be shoved into our faces for attention same as our self-deceit on our business practices, our whole financial system that the PTB use to control us... mostly through lies... years and years of lies that end up becoming 'tradition'.
Same pattern throughout history... and they teach us to defend it with our lives.... and then call our deaths 'patriotic' so that the next generation will follow along just like their parents...
See the pattern?
Add their control over the school system, the media, the food industry, etc, etc. It isn't the mob, it isn't the local gangbangers that setup and control these global industries, they are all controlled by the PTB on a global scale... the one world government that plans on coming out of the closet rather soon.
But I can understand the point of view of those seeking to return to 'simpler' days before all these illicit industries were setup to better control us sheep through drugs, legal and illegal; chemicals and pesticides and vaccinations to fill our bodies full of poison so that they can send us to their HMO's and their hospitals and graveyards.
I do understand that it seems 'right' to legalize all this stuff since 'anything goes' these days what with kidnapping and torture now legal and approved by the federal governments. But then, sooner or later we each realize that what is legal, is not necessarily 'right', 'moral', but rather the opposite. This lesson has been repeating as of late and seems destined to be shoved into our faces for attention same as our self-deceit on our business practices, our whole financial system that the PTB use to control us... mostly through lies... years and years of lies that end up becoming 'tradition'.
Same pattern throughout history... and they teach us to defend it with our lives.... and then call our deaths 'patriotic' so that the next generation will follow along just like their parents...
See the pattern?
MikeD
Membership Revoked
You are so very right about this. That is why I support decriminalization rather than taxing it.
Just let people live life and make it on their own or be free to fail miserably. It is my life; let me choose what I would like to do with it.
Same with the taxes on alcohol, cigs, fast food, motor cycles, cars, guns, potato chips, coffee, fuel, etc etc.... there are many legal things known to kill people or contribute to killing people by disease and misuse; leave them all alone, let people do as they want to and be free to succeed or fail, even if their choices have life ending or harming consequences as long as those consequences are to themselves only!
It's called freedom, perhaps one day the human race will see it. So far we haven't.