ENER Nordstream 1 and Nordstream 2 had sudden pressure drop - Likely Sabotage

BV141

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Reports by German authorities on Sept. 25, indicate that Nordstream 1 and Nordstream 2 had sudden pressure drop in both pipelines. Since it was both pipelines there are very high probability of sabotage.

This is bad, very bad.

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSWNA-WbrOc


Nord Stream pressure drop shows situation is tense - German regulator​

FRANKFURT, Sept 26 (Reuters) - A pressure drop on both the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines disclosed on Monday underpin Germany's assessment that the situation is tense, the president of the country's network regulator Klaus Mueller said on Twitter. (Reporting by Christoph Steitz; editing by Matthias Williamsa)
 
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Donghe Surfer

Veteran Member
Sabotage?
How about Russia just switching output to 10% or less immediately. I may have German blood, but the krauts are going to suffer a horrible cold winter, because of their stupidity. Took on Russia in WW1, took on Russia again in WW2, and then took on Russia's oil to their heart's content in 21st century. Third time's the charm for stupidity on their behalf.
 

Quiet Man

Nothing unreal exists
I'll venture a guess that it's sabotage. Both NS1 pipelines are out, but only 1 of the (two) NS2 pipelines is affected. Question is: By whom? My first guess: Western powers did this to reduce the possibilities for a 'way back' for Europe (It was inevitable that more countries would start to break away from the sanctions). There are other pipelines from Rus to EU, but they have less capacity.
 
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Melodi

Disaster Cat
This has been mentioned in the overall large Russian war thread but now that it is confirmed I think it needs a threat of its own (mods please combine if this is posted under another name already). It looks like ALL THREE gas pipelines to Europe (from Russia) were badly damaged underwater last night. More and more it is looking like the damage was intentional and not from an undersea landslide or something. Each report that is coming out is worse, and while pipelines can be fixed it takes time especially if the damage is bad. No one has yet claimed responsibility for this, so we sort of have to look at "who benefits." This also means that it may not be possible for some European countries to make their own deals for gas with Russia if it can not be transported. This is just now starting to really get into the news here.

From Zero Hedge (first non-twitter story I've seen) Charts, maps are left in for clarity.



Damage To Nord Stream Pipelines "Unprecedented;" May Have Been 'Sabotaged'​


BY TYLER DURDEN
TUESDAY, SEP 27, 2022 - 12:46 PM
The plot thickens about what caused damage to three lines of the Nord Stream gas-pipeline system under the Baltic Sea to Europe as some European officials now suspect sabotage.
Nord Stream AG, the operator of the NS pipeline system, published a statement Tuesday that read, "the destruction that happened within one day at three lines of the Nord Stream pipeline system is unprecedented ... and impossible now to estimate the timeframe for restoring operations of the gas shipment infrastructure."
On Monday, NS2 gas pipeline and two NS1 lines reported rapid pressure drops, with gas leaks reported by Swedish and Danish authorities in the Baltic Sea near the exclusive economic zone southeast of Bornholm island.

Pressure drops in the NS gas-pipeline system could be the biggest signal that flows via NS1 might not resume this winter. Germany and surrounding countries are investigating the incident. NS2 cannot impact flows to the EU because the controversial idled conduit was never operational after German Chancellor Olaf Scholz canceled it after Russia invaded Ukraine earlier this year.
Klaus Mueller, the president of the German energy network regulator, tweeted that the market situation remains "tense," but Germany and the EU are no longer dependent on NS supplies.
Nord Stream AG issued an outage message that is active until Oct. 26, while the German economy ministry said it's investigating the incident.
Dutch front-month gas, the European benchmark, was up nearly 10% at 190.50 euros per megawatt-hour on Tuesday morning.

The simultaneous pressure drop of the NS lines suggests some market participants may watch for any indication of sabotage.

Denmark's Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said it was hard to imagine NS gas leaks were caused by a "coincidence."
Frederiksen didn't rule out sabotage, though she said it was too early to draw any conclusions, according to Reuters, quoting public broadcaster DR during a visit to Poland.
A German security official told Bloomberg that NS damage appears to be the result of "sabotage."
The evidence points to a violent act, rather than a technical issue, according to a German security official, who asked not to be identified because the matter is being probed. -Bloomberg
German daily newspaper Tagesspiegel reported that "the Nord Stream pipelines may have been damaged by targeted attacks and leaked as a result."
A source close to the government, quoted in the newspaper, said, "everything speaks against a coincidence."
"We cannot imagine a scenario that is not a targeted attack," the source said.
Die Welt, another German newspaper, reported the timing of the NS damage may suggest sabotage and was unlikely to be an accident.
Reporters asked Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov if the NS system's pressure drop could be due to sabotage. He responded: "It is impossible to exclude any options."
There appears to be no immediate end to the gas leak from NS pipelines, according to the Danish national daily newspaper Berlingske, which quoted Danish Energy Authority.

The energy authority said, "a lot of gas is coming out, so it is not a small crack, it's a really big hole. Nord Stream leaks can be a deliberate act, but it can also be something else, it's just extremely rare that something like this happens."

*Developing...
 
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Hfcomms

EN66iq
Always ask yourself one question…..who benefits? Of course the knee jerk will be blaming Russia for sabotaging their own pipelines. This has deep state written all over it. They are going to get their world war and Europe is going to freeze this winter. Meanwhile the central banks and WEF are rubbing their hands together in glee.
 

anney

Veteran Member
This has been mentioned in the overall large Russian war thread but now that it is confirmed I think it needs a threat of its own (mods please combine if this is posted under another name already). It looks like ALL THREE gas pipelines to Europe (from Russia) were badly damaged underwater last night. More and more it is looking like the damage was intentional and not from an undersea landslide or something. Each report that is coming out is worse, and while pipelines can be fixed it takes time especially if the damage is bad. No one has yet claimed responsibility for this, so we sort of have to look at "who benefits." This also means that it may not be possible for some European countries to make their own deals for gas with Russia if it can not be transported. This is just now starting to really get into the news here.

From Zero Hedge (first non-twitter story I've seen) Charts, maps are left in for clarity.



Damage To Nord Stream Pipelines "Unprecedented;" May Have Been 'Sabotaged'​

Tyler Durden's Photo's Photo

BY TYLER DURDEN
TUESDAY, SEP 27, 2022 - 12:46 PM
The plot thickens about what caused damage to three lines of the Nord Stream gas-pipeline system under the Baltic Sea to Europe as some European officials now suspect sabotage.
Nord Stream AG, the operator of the NS pipeline system, published a statement Tuesday that read, "the destruction that happened within one day at three lines of the Nord Stream pipeline system is unprecedented ... and impossible now to estimate the timeframe for restoring operations of the gas shipment infrastructure."
On Monday, NS2 gas pipeline and two NS1 lines reported rapid pressure drops, with gas leaks reported by Swedish and Danish authorities in the Baltic Sea near the exclusive economic zone southeast of Bornholm island.

Pressure drops in the NS gas-pipeline system could be the biggest signal that flows via NS1 might not resume this winter. Germany and surrounding countries are investigating the incident. NS2 cannot impact flows to the EU because the controversial idled conduit was never operational after German Chancellor Olaf Scholz canceled it after Russia invaded Ukraine earlier this year.
Klaus Mueller, the president of the German energy network regulator, tweeted that the market situation remains "tense," but Germany and the EU are no longer dependent on NS supplies.
Nord Stream AG issued an outage message that is active until Oct. 26, while the German economy ministry said it's investigating the incident.
Dutch front-month gas, the European benchmark, was up nearly 10% at 190.50 euros per megawatt-hour on Tuesday morning.

The simultaneous pressure drop of the NS lines suggests some market participants may watch for any indication of sabotage.

Denmark's Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said it was hard to imagine NS gas leaks were caused by a "coincidence."
Frederiksen didn't rule out sabotage, though she said it was too early to draw any conclusions, according to Reuters, quoting public broadcaster DR during a visit to Poland.
A German security official told Bloomberg that NS damage appears to be the result of "sabotage."

German daily newspaper Tagesspiegel reported that "the Nord Stream pipelines may have been damaged by targeted attacks and leaked as a result."
A source close to the government, quoted in the newspaper, said, "everything speaks against a coincidence."

Die Welt, another German newspaper, reported the timing of the NS damage may suggest sabotage and was unlikely to be an accident.
Reporters asked Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov if the NS system's pressure drop could be due to sabotage. He responded: "It is impossible to exclude any options."
There appears to be no immediate end to the gas leak from NS pipelines, according to the Danish national daily newspaper Berlingske, which quoted Danish Energy Authority.

The energy authority said, "a lot of gas is coming out, so it is not a small crack, it's a really big hole. Nord Stream leaks can be a deliberate act, but it can also be something else, it's just extremely rare that something like this happens."

*Developing...
Melodi does Nord Stream supply you guys in the UK?
I have family and dear friends, like you, who live there.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Note Melodi's follow-up thread for the EU-centric view.

 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
I thought they couldn't restart One anyway from the last time it was shut down.
I believe Nord1 was brought back - but "with delays." I.e. The Russians were in no hurry. Sort of a "warning shot across the bow."

Now I believe the Russians are just showing how they can veer real close on a collision course - and Europe is in no condition to say anything but "Thank you."

Dobbin
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
Always ask yourself one question…..who benefits? Of course the knee jerk will be blaming Russia for sabotaging their own pipelines. This has deep state written all over it. They are going to get their world war and Europe is going to freeze this winter. Meanwhile the central banks and WEF are rubbing their hands together in glee.
Every single entity involved in this whole European mess benefits from that pipeline being wrecked. Russia as a false flag or it could have been hardliners that want to make sure Russia cant take a step back to calm the storm. NATO/EU to make sure that Germany and other European countries cant try to make their own deal with Russia. US because it gives us a ready market fro all the LNG we can export.

Its the people that are getting boned. The Europeans are going to be cold. The Russian workers are going to be out of a job although they will just get mobilized.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Biden promised to do so.
Is he to be believed

From February.

What is Nord Stream 2 and can Biden kill it?​

LondonCNN Business —
President Joe Biden said Monday that natural gas will not flow through Russia’s Nord Stream 2 pipeline to Germany if Moscow orders an invasion of Ukraine.

What does an $11 billion undersea pipeline between Russia and Germany have to do with Ukraine? And why is it such a big deal? The answer has everything to do with how Europe gets its energy.

From Russia to Germany​

The 750-mile pipeline was completed in September but has not yet received final certification from German regulators. When up and running, it would boost deliveries of gas directly from Russia to Germany.

The United States, the United Kingdom, Ukraine and several EU countries have opposed the pipeline since it was announced in 2015, warning the project would increase Moscow’s influence in Europe.

Nord Stream 2 could deliver 55 billion cubic meters of gas per year. That’s more than 50% of Germany’s annual consumption and could be worth as much as $15 billion to Gazprom, the Russian state owned company that controls the pipeline, based on its average export price in 2021.

Energy is politics​

Energy is a major political issue in central and eastern Europe, where gas supplies from Russia play an essential role in power generation and home heating. Natural gas prices are already near record highs in Europe, and a conflict in Ukraine could bring more pain to consumers.

As Russia’s biggest gas customer, Germany has tried to keep Nord Stream 2 out of global politics. But the issue has become unavoidable after Russia amassed over 100,000 troops near its border with Ukraine.

There’s lots of history here.

Disputes over energy prices have plagued the relationship between Russia and Ukraine ever since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, with Russia cutting supplies of gas to its neighbor on a number of occasions.

Still, the pipeline was completed, raising questions about whether additional sanctions would be effective in preventing it from coming online.

“US officials have suggested the administration’s ability to prevent the pipeline from becoming operational is limited, even with additional sanctions,” Congressional Research Service analysts wrote in December.

Germany has much more control over the project. But it also has much more on the line.

The view from Berlin and Moscow​

Russia accounts for more than half of Germany’s gas imports.

The relationship goes back decades. Former Chancellor Gerhard Schröder committed in 2000 to phasing out Germany’s nuclear power plants, a policy that continued under his successor, Angela Merkel.

Schröder also helped orchestrate the deal to construct the first Nord Stream pipeline, which runs parallel to Nord Stream 2, and took a job as head of the shareholders’ committee shortly after leaving office. He was nominated last week to join the board of Gazprom.


Experts are speculating over Russia's next move. They may want to check Ukraine's weather forecast
The Russian gas giant is the sole shareholder in Nord Stream 2 but 50% of the total cost of the project is being provided by five European energy companies, including Wintershall and Uniper of Germany. The other financial backers are Britain’s Shell (RDSA), Engie (ENGIY) of France and OMV (OMVJF) of Austria.

Ulrich Speck, a visiting senior fellow at the German Marshall Fund, said that Germany invested in Russia over the past two decades in hopes of modernizing the country and bringing about political change.

“Now all of these economic relationships are becoming geopolitically problematic and [Germany has to] revise its attitude towards Russia,” Speck said during a panel discussion at the Hudson Institute on Monday.

Still, it would be legally complicated for Germany to drop Nord Stream 2, according to Kadri Liik, a fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations. She also said the importance of the pipeline is “totally overblown.”

“Putin might want Nord Stream 2, but he doesn’t want it so much. He definitely wants Ukraine more than that pipeline, so it’s not something you can use to deter Putin,” Liik said during a panel discussion hosted by the Carnegie Endowment.

Huge consequences​

The United States and its allies are racing to draw up contingency plans in case supplies of Russian gas are choked off by conflict in Ukraine.

The White House said last month that it was talking to countries and companies about ramping up output. They’re also trying to identify alternative sources of natural gas that could be rerouted to Europe.

“We are building a partnership for energy security with the US, which is primarily about more LNG gas supplies,” European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said Monday. “We are talking to other gas suppliers, for example Norway, about increasing their supplies to Europe,” she added.


Europe could live with less Russian gas. A complete shutdown would be 'catastrophic'
But Europe would struggle to survive for long without Russian gas, and finding alternative sources presents a huge logistical challenge.

New pipelines and gas liquefaction facilities take years to build. And redirecting large volumes of the fossil fuel at a time when the global market and transport networks are already stretched would require cooperation from major gas exporters like Qatar, which may not have much wiggle room.

Nikos Tsafos, an energy expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told CNN Business recently that minor supply disruptions would bend but not break the system. A worst-case scenario in which Russian gas disappears completely, however, would be a different story.

“A cutoff of gas flows through Ukraine is painful but manageable,” Tsafos said. “A total cutoff of Russian energy exports would be catastrophic. There’s no way for Europe to replace those volumes in any meaningful way.”

— Julia Horowitz contributed reporting.
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Leaks cannot be fixed…….anymore ?

ETA…….Oh, I see….Joe is claiming he did it.

The jokes write themselves.


Meanwhile, “we” are being prepped to take the blame for future nefarious purposes.


I see.
The leaks can be fixed but it is done "sub-surface" and is VERY expensive hazardous work.

There exists a "submersible" which "covers" the pipe and allows the disassembly of the pipe covering, welding of the pipe, and restoration of the protective cover.

Even opening the pipe under this environment is hazardous.

I am not surprised that Joe/US might be behind a sabotaging of the pipe. The US is now the primary "enforcer" of the New World/Davos Order - and the last thing that the NWO wants is for nations to "jump the fence."

Nations making their own deal with Russia is "jumping the fence."

And the repair teams might even come under attack by the US for attempting the repair.

We have the subs - we have the capability - and with the Media on the NWO side we have the popular opinion. Well, that last MAYBE.

The population of Europe is learning that their NWO/EU "shill" government DON'T have the best interests of the population at heart.

Hence the Italian elections recently, and the Swiss before that.

Dobbin
 

Quiet Man

Nothing unreal exists
BIDEN admits US behind sabotage of Nordstream 1 and 2. Biden: "If Russia invades...then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2." Reporter: "But how will you do that, it's in germany's control?" Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that." View: https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1574685985115607040?cxt=HHwWgMDQ-e6jtNorAAAA
The more I know, the more obvious it is this whole Russia Sanctions thing is an attack on Europe. Thank you for posting this.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Leaks cannot be fixed…….anymore ?

ETA…….Oh, I see….Joe is claiming he did it.

The jokes write themselves.


Meanwhile, “we” are being prepped to take the blame for future nefarious purposes.


I see.
Mods feel free to combine threads if you want I didn't see this one, and it is the same basic topic.

Now I checked with my housemate (a water treatment engineer) and she said the problem is the weather, if they don't fix this in about three weeks the storms will be too bad for anyone to risk the rather dangerous tasks needed to fix it. That includes submersibles and specially trained diving teams who won't/can not work in Winter weather conditions.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Melodi does Nord Stream supply you guys in the UK?
I have family and dear friends, like you, who live there.
Hi, I'm not in the UK, but I am in Ireland and part of our Island is still part of the UK (for now anyway).

It is a bit complicated but yes, the gas lines do supply some of the gas to the UK and most of the gas we get in Ireland comes from the UK (so either gas pipeline or the North Sea drilling). As an article pointed out about a month ago, if things get tight in the UK, they are not likely to send gas to Ireland.

Ireland gets some gas by ship from France, a pipeline has been proposed but not built. Basically, everyone I know with a brain has been stalking up on the "decorative dried Irish Mud," the government was supposed to make selling it illegal last month but has not enforced this. I think they know that people would riot if they did, as there are not a lot of other alternatives, most of the fire wood has already been sold or the prices are too high to be practical. Coal was also being outlawed, but again a lot of people have it anyway (and "clean coal" can still be sold - we use that anyway because it is better for the stoves but it is more expensive).

This pipeline situation is a potential real disaster/Black Swan in the making - because until now, individual countries were defying the EU (like Hungry) and making their own deals with the Russians, and now they can't.
 

Quiet Man

Nothing unreal exists
Mods feel free to combine threads if you want I didn't see this one, and it is the same basic topic.

Now I checked with my housemate (a water treatment engineer) and she said the problem is the weather, if they don't fix this in about three weeks the storms will be too bad for anyone to risk the rather dangerous tasks needed to fix it. That includes submersibles and specially trained diving teams who won't/can not work in Winter weather conditions.
I wounder if Russia would be motivated to perform a repair (?).

Seems highly unlikely.
 
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Quiet Man

Nothing unreal exists
Theme: "We have a murder-mystery. Someone killed the gas pipelines and we have a room full of suspects."

2022 09 27 The Americans Declared War On Europe​

13m
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6IIwltTM4Q

ETA: "The Americans did it, and by doing this, they have killed the European economy."
"This is the most evil thing the United States have ever done. They are trying to deliberately kill an entire continent; the European continent."

ETA: Follow-up thought: This is so obvious. If I can see it, all of the European countries, and the world, will see this, and it will accelerate a world-wide break-away from American hegemony.
 
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WildDaisy

God has a plan, Trust it!
Mark my words, Russia is eventually going to go after Israel in order to take their Natural Gas reserves. Israel has one of the largest natural gas pockets in the world. This will be a prophetic fulfilling of the Gog/Magog war. The plunder Gog/Magog comes to take will be energy stores.
 

Capt. Eddie

Veteran Member

Faytuks News Δ
@Faytuks
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The Norwegian earthquake center Norsar registered "an incident in the Baltic Sea" near the Nord Stream pipelines on Monday evening. - NRK
View: https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1574754086410485764?s=20&t=xia5AGLJwKKymjeFNB4TOg
If that is accurate it may take more than a clamp patch and some hydraulic grout to get it back up and running. I'm sure it's still repairable, but it might take a lay barge and a new run of pipe.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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If that is accurate it may take more than a clamp patch and some hydraulic grout to get it back up and running. I'm sure it's still repairable, but it might take a lay barge and a new run of pipe.

Yeah, probably not. :lol:

I see the initial pressure at 3000psi and dropping down the run.


Interesting article,

 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
If that is accurate it may take more than a clamp patch and some hydraulic grout to get it back up and running. I'm sure it's still repairable, but it might take a lay barge and a new run of pipe.
If this is a torpedo shot - it will take a recovery barge (or two) and literally "pulling up" the pipeline to do the repair/reconnection "in the dry."

Same possibilities - the US torpedoes the barges. Harder for the MEEDIA to cover for it.

Meanwhile - isn't the timing "just perfect" to take the pipeline out of service before winter hits?

It will take three weeks simply to locate for the recovery and position the barges.

Dobbin
 

jward

passin' thru
so was this like those false flags countries are always pulling to justify their entries into war?






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BREAKING: NATO closely monitors the situation in the Baltic Sea. Allies are investigating the Nord Stream gas leaks and exchanging information, including with Finland and Sweden, NATO official tells TV 2
 
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