HEALTH MAIN EBOLA DISCUSSION THREAD - WEEK OF 8/16/14 - 8/31/14
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Fringe Ranger
The big question is what happens when it really hits a first-world medical system. Not one or two suspects, but when twenty or thirty infected fleeing west Africans hit several western cities. My guess is it will put the lie to all the happy talk, but maybe I'm wrong. When and if it dawns on people that they've been lied to and Ebola is no more an African disease than AIDS is a gay male disease, Katie bar the door.
Hansa44
Justine Case
If you've never read this article on potassium deficiency you might find it very interesting. It was written by Joe Vialls. My daughter and I started taking about 1/4 tsp of NoSalt in some warm water every single morning and what a world of difference it made in how we felt. BETTER! We started 10 years ago and have never regretted it.
Before you criticize the author, you may want to read the article first. And then try it and see what happens. You'll probably be amazed!
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/salud/salud_potassium.htm
This is just part of his article.....
The title immediately suggests to the reader that a giant pharmaceutical atrocity has been inflicted on the poor natives of some far off third-world country, by a predictably greedy drug multinational, but this is simply not the case.
By far the largest number of deaths and permanent crippling disabilities from potassium deficiency occur in America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and several other western nations.
How this horrific state of affairs came into being and was perpetuated thereafter, is a very long and frequently confusing story, meaning that we must start at the very beginning if we are to have any real chance of understanding the lethal implications.
We first need to understand what potassium is, how much our bodies need on a daily basis to stay healthy, and what happens to us when our body's critical store of potassium is inadvertently or deliberately depleted.
Unlike toxic sodium [table salt], potassium is essential to our health. Potassium is present in all cells and is critical to cardiovascular and nerve function, regulating the transfer of nutrients into cells and facilitating muscle energy. This wonder mineral also regulates water balance, assists recuperative powers, and aids rheumatic or arthritic conditions by causing acids to leave the joints, thereby easing stiffness.
At the same time:
• potassium is vital for the elimination of wastes
• is a natural pain desensitizer
• helps control convulsions, headaches and migraines
• promotes faster healing of cuts, bruises and other injuries
Because of its very high electrochemical activity, potassium is on the move all the time, and we need vast quantities to replenish that lost every day. When we exercise and sweat, we lose potassium through urine. When we are under extreme stress for a variety of other reasons, potassium loss can treble instantly.
But as renowned nutritionist Adelle Davis points out, it is toxic sodium that causes the greatest problems.
"Persons eating [sodium] salt as they wished excreted nine times more potassium than when their salt intake was limited, and human volunteers kept on diets deficient in potassium retained so much salt that they developed high blood pressure."
If Mother Nature was to deprive you of potassium completely, hard scientific evidence proves you would be dead in less than three weeks.
But in many ways this would be a merciful release when compared with the infinitely more painful and far slower death caused by slow potassium deprivation, the preferred method of the FDA (American Food & Drug Administration ) and AMA (American Medical Association). Proper scientists agree the daily potassium requirements of an average adult lie between 3,200 and 4,100 milligrams, but the average potassium intake of Americans through the food chain is only 1,500 to 2,100 milligrams per day, representing an overall average shortfall of 1,850 milligrams.
Obviously humans can survive at these savagely depleted levels, because Americans manage to eke out about 70 years each, before this basic potassium deficiency overwhelms them and they finally die, sometimes in great pain from a number of directly related illnesses including,
• arthritis
• osteoporosis
• hypertension [high blood pressure]
• angina
• strokes
• ...and so on....
It is scientifically beyond question that all would live longer and suffer less pain if they received the necessary quantity of potassium each day, which is where the American Food & Drug Administration should do a John Wayne job, and ride gallantly to the rescue.
Alas, the Food and Drug Administration has not and will not do so, because of sustained lobby pressure by the pharmaceutical multinationals. Despite having full and unrestricted access to the real scientific data providing hard proof of widespread potassium deficiency bordering on a pandemic, the FDA has deliberately avoided specifying a "Recommended Dietary Allowance" [RDA], while simultaneously passing a law restricting the potassium content of all alternative medicines to a mere 100 milligrams.
This is your first clue to understanding how it is that we get so ill, and then willingly swallow billions of dollars worth of useless 'patent medicines'. Remember, just to keep up with the average shortfall of 1,850 milligrams of potassium per day, you would need to swallow at least 19 pills from your local health food shop, and no ordinary person could possibly afford that in the long term.
In order to keep their medical doctors in line, both the FDA and AMA have circulated a number of truly frightening stories about potassium. Most common among them is that the potassium will 'react' with one of a wide range of synthetic pharmaceutical medicines, frequently resulting in death. This is actually true, but it is the poisonous synthetic medicine which causes the lethal cross reaction that kills you, not the natural potassium so essential to your health.
Then there is the even scarier rumor that 'too much' potassium will kill you by stopping your heart from beating, as in the case of a lethal injection execution.
Too much of almost anything will kill you, including simple water and air, especially if applied too quickly or by the incorrect route. When Timothy McVeigh was strapped to a gurney and put to death, the third chemical injected directly into his vein was a 'chaser' containing 50 milliliters of concentrated potassium chloride, which finally stopped his heart. If you are stupid enough to try this at home, you will die just as quickly, and in order to put this deliberate FDA and AMA scare mongering into the proper perspective, it is necessary to explain why.
The normal route for potassium to enter the body is by way of the mouth, either in the form of food, or sometimes as a solution made up of 100% water soluble potassium chloride dissolved in fruit juice.
As the potassium passes through the digestive tract, the cells extract what they need and any excess is then passed out of the body, partly as solid waste, but mostly through the kidneys as urine. It is a perfectly normal biochemical process that the body itself knows how to handle very well, without any outside help from medical doctors. However, if you inject the potassium directly into a vein, you bypass the body's biochemical safety processes and stop the heart.
Exactly the same can be said of concentrated hydrochloric acid, always present in our stomachs in order to digest food, but incapable of harming us because of the body's sophisticated biochemical defenses. However, if you injected this same concentrated hydrochloric acid from the stomach directly into a vein, you would die even more quickly than you would from injecting potassium.
You can only be scared by a medical doctor if you allow yourself to be scared, and you will no doubt gain added confidence where potassium is concerned later in this report, when we examine the extraordinary case of the Yanomami Indians of South America.
The Yanomami were fortunate enough to escape the attention of western medical 'science' for thousands of years, and still shun it now. These fascinating people receive virtually no sodium [table salt] at all, but every adult consumes around 8,500 milligrams of potassium every day. They are incredibly fit and have no history whatever of arthritis, osteoporosis, hypertension [high blood pressure], angina or stroke.
We will return to the Yanomami a little later on.
Far too many of the 'illnesses' we suffer today can be laid at the door of potassium deficiency, though hordes of pharmaceutical and medical apologists will probably reject this, claiming that medical 'research' proved long ago that simple deficiency cannot cause life-threatening conditions. Sadly the apologists will be defeated by historical fact, chronicled long before your local pharmaceutical multinational decided to use your body as a private playground for the benefit of its shareholders.
Scurvy is caused solely by Vitamin C deficiency, and is thus predictably cured quickly by large quantities of Vitamin C.
There are thousands of documented cases, especially in the British Royal Navy, where sailors became known as "Limeys" because of the vast amounts of citrus fruit provided free by The Admiralty. Rickets is less well known, but is caused by a deficiency of Vitamin D, rapidly corrected by the generous application of Vitamin D and calcium.
Embarrassing though this may be for modern pharmaceutical salesmen and medical doctors, these bald facts are there in the history books for all to see.
So why not admit potassium deficiency?
Before you criticize the author, you may want to read the article first. And then try it and see what happens. You'll probably be amazed!
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/salud/salud_potassium.htm
This is just part of his article.....
The title immediately suggests to the reader that a giant pharmaceutical atrocity has been inflicted on the poor natives of some far off third-world country, by a predictably greedy drug multinational, but this is simply not the case.
By far the largest number of deaths and permanent crippling disabilities from potassium deficiency occur in America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and several other western nations.
How this horrific state of affairs came into being and was perpetuated thereafter, is a very long and frequently confusing story, meaning that we must start at the very beginning if we are to have any real chance of understanding the lethal implications.
We first need to understand what potassium is, how much our bodies need on a daily basis to stay healthy, and what happens to us when our body's critical store of potassium is inadvertently or deliberately depleted.
Unlike toxic sodium [table salt], potassium is essential to our health. Potassium is present in all cells and is critical to cardiovascular and nerve function, regulating the transfer of nutrients into cells and facilitating muscle energy. This wonder mineral also regulates water balance, assists recuperative powers, and aids rheumatic or arthritic conditions by causing acids to leave the joints, thereby easing stiffness.
At the same time:
• potassium is vital for the elimination of wastes
• is a natural pain desensitizer
• helps control convulsions, headaches and migraines
• promotes faster healing of cuts, bruises and other injuries
Because of its very high electrochemical activity, potassium is on the move all the time, and we need vast quantities to replenish that lost every day. When we exercise and sweat, we lose potassium through urine. When we are under extreme stress for a variety of other reasons, potassium loss can treble instantly.
But as renowned nutritionist Adelle Davis points out, it is toxic sodium that causes the greatest problems.
"Persons eating [sodium] salt as they wished excreted nine times more potassium than when their salt intake was limited, and human volunteers kept on diets deficient in potassium retained so much salt that they developed high blood pressure."
If Mother Nature was to deprive you of potassium completely, hard scientific evidence proves you would be dead in less than three weeks.
But in many ways this would be a merciful release when compared with the infinitely more painful and far slower death caused by slow potassium deprivation, the preferred method of the FDA (American Food & Drug Administration ) and AMA (American Medical Association). Proper scientists agree the daily potassium requirements of an average adult lie between 3,200 and 4,100 milligrams, but the average potassium intake of Americans through the food chain is only 1,500 to 2,100 milligrams per day, representing an overall average shortfall of 1,850 milligrams.
Obviously humans can survive at these savagely depleted levels, because Americans manage to eke out about 70 years each, before this basic potassium deficiency overwhelms them and they finally die, sometimes in great pain from a number of directly related illnesses including,
• arthritis
• osteoporosis
• hypertension [high blood pressure]
• angina
• strokes
• ...and so on....
It is scientifically beyond question that all would live longer and suffer less pain if they received the necessary quantity of potassium each day, which is where the American Food & Drug Administration should do a John Wayne job, and ride gallantly to the rescue.
Alas, the Food and Drug Administration has not and will not do so, because of sustained lobby pressure by the pharmaceutical multinationals. Despite having full and unrestricted access to the real scientific data providing hard proof of widespread potassium deficiency bordering on a pandemic, the FDA has deliberately avoided specifying a "Recommended Dietary Allowance" [RDA], while simultaneously passing a law restricting the potassium content of all alternative medicines to a mere 100 milligrams.
This is your first clue to understanding how it is that we get so ill, and then willingly swallow billions of dollars worth of useless 'patent medicines'. Remember, just to keep up with the average shortfall of 1,850 milligrams of potassium per day, you would need to swallow at least 19 pills from your local health food shop, and no ordinary person could possibly afford that in the long term.
In order to keep their medical doctors in line, both the FDA and AMA have circulated a number of truly frightening stories about potassium. Most common among them is that the potassium will 'react' with one of a wide range of synthetic pharmaceutical medicines, frequently resulting in death. This is actually true, but it is the poisonous synthetic medicine which causes the lethal cross reaction that kills you, not the natural potassium so essential to your health.
Then there is the even scarier rumor that 'too much' potassium will kill you by stopping your heart from beating, as in the case of a lethal injection execution.
Too much of almost anything will kill you, including simple water and air, especially if applied too quickly or by the incorrect route. When Timothy McVeigh was strapped to a gurney and put to death, the third chemical injected directly into his vein was a 'chaser' containing 50 milliliters of concentrated potassium chloride, which finally stopped his heart. If you are stupid enough to try this at home, you will die just as quickly, and in order to put this deliberate FDA and AMA scare mongering into the proper perspective, it is necessary to explain why.
The normal route for potassium to enter the body is by way of the mouth, either in the form of food, or sometimes as a solution made up of 100% water soluble potassium chloride dissolved in fruit juice.
As the potassium passes through the digestive tract, the cells extract what they need and any excess is then passed out of the body, partly as solid waste, but mostly through the kidneys as urine. It is a perfectly normal biochemical process that the body itself knows how to handle very well, without any outside help from medical doctors. However, if you inject the potassium directly into a vein, you bypass the body's biochemical safety processes and stop the heart.
Exactly the same can be said of concentrated hydrochloric acid, always present in our stomachs in order to digest food, but incapable of harming us because of the body's sophisticated biochemical defenses. However, if you injected this same concentrated hydrochloric acid from the stomach directly into a vein, you would die even more quickly than you would from injecting potassium.
You can only be scared by a medical doctor if you allow yourself to be scared, and you will no doubt gain added confidence where potassium is concerned later in this report, when we examine the extraordinary case of the Yanomami Indians of South America.
The Yanomami were fortunate enough to escape the attention of western medical 'science' for thousands of years, and still shun it now. These fascinating people receive virtually no sodium [table salt] at all, but every adult consumes around 8,500 milligrams of potassium every day. They are incredibly fit and have no history whatever of arthritis, osteoporosis, hypertension [high blood pressure], angina or stroke.
We will return to the Yanomami a little later on.
Far too many of the 'illnesses' we suffer today can be laid at the door of potassium deficiency, though hordes of pharmaceutical and medical apologists will probably reject this, claiming that medical 'research' proved long ago that simple deficiency cannot cause life-threatening conditions. Sadly the apologists will be defeated by historical fact, chronicled long before your local pharmaceutical multinational decided to use your body as a private playground for the benefit of its shareholders.
Scurvy is caused solely by Vitamin C deficiency, and is thus predictably cured quickly by large quantities of Vitamin C.
There are thousands of documented cases, especially in the British Royal Navy, where sailors became known as "Limeys" because of the vast amounts of citrus fruit provided free by The Admiralty. Rickets is less well known, but is caused by a deficiency of Vitamin D, rapidly corrected by the generous application of Vitamin D and calcium.
Embarrassing though this may be for modern pharmaceutical salesmen and medical doctors, these bald facts are there in the history books for all to see.
So why not admit potassium deficiency?
Be Well
may all be well
The problem is that AIDS is primarily a disease of male homosexuals, add prostitutes and drug addicts to the mix, often there is a connection even then with male homosexuals. AIDS is the most easily preventable disease in the world since it is spread by behavior. Ebola is not comparable; cannot compare "location" with "behavior".
Be Well
may all be well
Whole lotta lying going on. Slightly awkward translation but understandable. I posted another article above about this student in Senegal, many of his family members had died of Ebola, and he lied about it.
From PFI, posted for fair use/discussion and all that good stuff
Ebola in Senegal: the route of the Guinean patient says
by RFI
Posted on 29-08-2014 at 2:51 Edited on 30-08-2014
http://www.rfi.fr/afrique/20140829-ebola-premier-cas-signale-senegal/
Senegal has announced the first confirmed case in its territory, in Dakar. This is according to the Ministry of Health, an "imported" from neighboring Guinea-Conakry cases. Students carrying the virus is currently quarantined at the hospital Fann in Dakar. We do not know the identity of the young man, but one begins to understand his route.
According to the Guinean authorities, the young patient, a student at a university in Conakry, is from Forécariah, on the border with Sierra Leone. It was a friend, carrying Ebola, who contaminated him, explains Colonel Remy Lamah, Guinean Minister of Health: "He had an epidemiological link to a young student who came from Forécariah in Sierra Leone and who died shortly after. "
[snip]
According to the Senegalese Minister of Health, Awa Marie Coll Seck, he arrived in the country three weeks ago. The young man, suffering, reportedly went to a clinic on the outskirts of Dakar, but due to his deteriorating health, the young student presented himself for consultation Tuesday, August 26, at the Infectious Diseases Clinic of the National Hospital of Fann "in an infectious table without bleeding, but concealing the information that he had close contact with victims of the disease in Guinea."
The young man had hidden he had been in contact with the disease
Minister ensures that the patient - she wanted to keep the identity and neighborhood of the residence secret - was immediately quarantined, supported and subjected to sampling. The results of tests carried out at the Pasteur Institute of Dakar were positive. Since then, the state of the young man seems to have improved.
"The system was strengthened to prevent spread of the disease from this imported case, stressed the Minister of Health at a press conference. Teams have been mobilized to trace the route of the patient, in order to locate all the people who were in touch with him. "
The young man, who had initially hidden, have been in contact with infected family members, now appears to be more cooperative, "Now diagnosed and managed, he is much more cooperative and gives us all the information needed," said Awa Marie Coll Seck.
Only one week ago, Senegal had decided to close its sea, land and air borders with countries affected by the epidemic. The authorities have also announced that new protection kits would be distributed to agents of health facilities.
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Pixie's Comment:
So the student presented at two medical facilities. First, at a clinic on the outskirts of Dakar. Then at the Infectious Diseases Clinic at Fann Hospital.
At neither facility did he disclose that he had had close contact with a New Ebola patient.
From PFI, posted for fair use/discussion and all that good stuff
Ebola in Senegal: the route of the Guinean patient says
by RFI
Posted on 29-08-2014 at 2:51 Edited on 30-08-2014
http://www.rfi.fr/afrique/20140829-ebola-premier-cas-signale-senegal/
Senegal has announced the first confirmed case in its territory, in Dakar. This is according to the Ministry of Health, an "imported" from neighboring Guinea-Conakry cases. Students carrying the virus is currently quarantined at the hospital Fann in Dakar. We do not know the identity of the young man, but one begins to understand his route.
According to the Guinean authorities, the young patient, a student at a university in Conakry, is from Forécariah, on the border with Sierra Leone. It was a friend, carrying Ebola, who contaminated him, explains Colonel Remy Lamah, Guinean Minister of Health: "He had an epidemiological link to a young student who came from Forécariah in Sierra Leone and who died shortly after. "
[snip]
According to the Senegalese Minister of Health, Awa Marie Coll Seck, he arrived in the country three weeks ago. The young man, suffering, reportedly went to a clinic on the outskirts of Dakar, but due to his deteriorating health, the young student presented himself for consultation Tuesday, August 26, at the Infectious Diseases Clinic of the National Hospital of Fann "in an infectious table without bleeding, but concealing the information that he had close contact with victims of the disease in Guinea."
The young man had hidden he had been in contact with the disease
Minister ensures that the patient - she wanted to keep the identity and neighborhood of the residence secret - was immediately quarantined, supported and subjected to sampling. The results of tests carried out at the Pasteur Institute of Dakar were positive. Since then, the state of the young man seems to have improved.
"The system was strengthened to prevent spread of the disease from this imported case, stressed the Minister of Health at a press conference. Teams have been mobilized to trace the route of the patient, in order to locate all the people who were in touch with him. "
The young man, who had initially hidden, have been in contact with infected family members, now appears to be more cooperative, "Now diagnosed and managed, he is much more cooperative and gives us all the information needed," said Awa Marie Coll Seck.
Only one week ago, Senegal had decided to close its sea, land and air borders with countries affected by the epidemic. The authorities have also announced that new protection kits would be distributed to agents of health facilities.
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Pixie's Comment:
So the student presented at two medical facilities. First, at a clinic on the outskirts of Dakar. Then at the Infectious Diseases Clinic at Fann Hospital.
At neither facility did he disclose that he had had close contact with a New Ebola patient.
bw
Fringe Ranger
Actually you can. My point was not the infectiousness of the two or the location or behavior that put one at risk. My point was that in common conversation people felt that the disease was at a safe distance so it could be ignored. The safe distance for one was behavioral, for the other it was geographical, but it's still distance.
Reagan essentially said don't worry about AIDS if you're not a gay male, so AIDS was ignored until it was widespread. The CDC is essentially saying don't worry about Ebola if you aren't in Africa. When people can comfortably distance themselves from the risk, they won't support any significant expense to fight it or take any steps to protect themselves.
You could choose other examples to show this, if using AIDS bothers you.
Be Well
may all be well
It's not that it "bothers" me, it's just that it is comparing apples to oranges. AIDS became widespread only among male homosexuals despite cries of "AIDS is not a gay disease", and then to a lesser degree, prostitutes, injecting drug users and those who had sex with male homosexuals. It has never become widespread among the general population as it is entirely behavior driven. The only people who got infected non-behaviorally were people who got blood transfusions from infected people, and that stopped soon, although "gay" activists want homosexuals to be able to donate blood again, but that's too much thread drift at this point.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Yes behavior like blood transfusions...breast feeding....it is a disease, sex is the easiest way to spread it and I agree that it is much less contagious than Ebola; but this sort of statement is what delayed real research and funding for nearly a decade. During which a lot of Mothers and Babies (not to mention men with hemophilia) died; oh and in third world countries (and Russia) it may START with drug addiction and prostitution but it doesn't stay there; there are dozens of villages where the wives of truckers became infected and left their children orphans. And rural China has villages where most of the adults became HIV positive due to dirty needles used by health authorities, in fact that happened a lot in Africa too where "disposable " needles were used again and again.
Be Well
may all be well
If people have faithful monogamous relationships or remain celibate, their chances of getting AIDS are slim to none. Of course babies can get AIDS from AIDS infected mothers, but the vector in all cases is primarily men having sex with men, with secondary vectors drug users who inject drugs and prostitutes, and AIDS is especially spread by anal sex. (This practice damages the immune system in itself, and of course is damaging to the lining of the colon and opens the tissues to AIDS virus very effectively.) Of course wives of men who have sex with AIDS infected prostitutes may get AIDS, but that does not nullify the fact that it is behaviorally spread. If the truckers kept their johnsons in their trousers they would not infect their wives, etc. Re-using disposable needles was criminal, but that does not nullify the fact that the original vector of AIDS is profligate sex, primarily men having sex with men. I know that this makes some people uncomfortable; everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but objective reality is based on facts, and they are what they are. The hemophilia issue is blood transfusions that were tainted because homosexuals were giving blood. I narrowly missed the chances of getting AIDS via transfusion in the very early 80s when doctors almost forced me to get a transfusion after I experienced a severe blood loss.
Baloo
Veteran Member
I know the thread is drifting but I agree.
The issue is you have a choice with AIDS (e.g. don't have anal sex etc). There is no choice with Ebola.
Now I know someone will say you have a choice with Ebola--don't leave the house. That's not a real choice. Its not the middle ages.
Be Well
may all be well
Simple truth.
Medical Maven
Deceased
Quite correct. I have a bad feeling about this New Ebola. Everything has gone wrong from the start. And now New Ebola is building up a head of steam. Can anyone see an end to this progression? I do not. And remember that Dr. Niman documented the fact that the Old Ebola picked up some genetic material from H5N1. This was back in 2005 or so. So it is known that Ebola can "borrow" from flu viruses.
So again the coming flu season looms large. If New Ebola gets into somebody who currently has influenza, it could possibly form a recombinant that is airborne.
And finally, as Monotreme pointed out, Ebola was essentially an animal virus which is now becoming a human virus by passaging through many humans. Ebola has never done this before. This is terra incognita. The world has become New Ebola's petri dish.
Be Well
may all be well
I had forgotten that. eeeek
Possible Impact
TB Fanatic
That is why Ebola was an 11 for me,
the Recombining and rapid Reassortment.
http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/Micro...ndemicFlu/TheScience/HowFluVirusesChange.aspx
But, the possible dual Flu/New Ebola infection
with flu symptoms causing super-spreader status
for many infected people early in the disease stage,
caused me to upgrade the dial to 12.
bw
Fringe Ranger
Thank you.
Baloo
Veteran Member
That is why Ebola was an 11 for me,
the Recombining and rapid Reassortment.
http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/Micro...ndemicFlu/TheScience/HowFluVirusesChange.aspx
But, the possible dual Flu/New Ebola infection
with flu symptoms causing super-spreader status
for many infected people early in the disease stage,
caused me to upgrade the dial to 12.
Too early too hit 12.
Wait couple of weeks to see what happens in West Point--enough time for it to really be an issue its going to be one.
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
The primary way AIDS and HIV virus spread in Africa was male truck drivers had unprotected sex with prostitutes at truck stops. They then carried the HIV virus all over Africa. With the exception of infected blood being given to hemophiliacs, virtually ALL HIV cases in the USA are homosexuals, prostitutes and drug addicts using infected needles. Spouses have also been unknowingly infected.
The Senegal story is yet again another example of why Ebola will not be able to be controlled in West Africa. This one individual, who like the diplomat didn't actually die, still has infected many other people. The key story for today, besides revealing how badly Senegal is now threatened is the looming social anarchy in Nigeria. The report of near rioting at the mere mention of establishing Ebola clinics in northern Nigeria means the authorities will end up with another stormed and looted Ebola Clinic like Liberia.
West Africa populations are now in a state of permanent hysteria, completely without trust for any authority at all. I am now convinced the only real way we will have to verify the total numbers of deaths is when the bodies start to stack up in the streets. The people dying in the rural areas will never be seen, much less counted.
The health care system has effectively collapsed. You now have THOUSANDS OF INFECTED people unable to receive any health care treatment at all. They may go to a clinic but it won't treat them. They are then told to go home or whatever, where they start another infection cycle.
You have a spreading, unchecked Ebola epidemic in West Africa. You have NO ability to treat the people at all. I fully expect the thousands of people confined in West Point are now infected with Ebola. They have now been released to spread it further into the Liberian capital.
The prognosis is grim for West Africa. I do not think there is any effective measures to be taken at this point. The Ebola epidemic will have to "burn out" in West Africa. Exactly how many people will still be alive one year from now is the real question.
The Senegal story is yet again another example of why Ebola will not be able to be controlled in West Africa. This one individual, who like the diplomat didn't actually die, still has infected many other people. The key story for today, besides revealing how badly Senegal is now threatened is the looming social anarchy in Nigeria. The report of near rioting at the mere mention of establishing Ebola clinics in northern Nigeria means the authorities will end up with another stormed and looted Ebola Clinic like Liberia.
West Africa populations are now in a state of permanent hysteria, completely without trust for any authority at all. I am now convinced the only real way we will have to verify the total numbers of deaths is when the bodies start to stack up in the streets. The people dying in the rural areas will never be seen, much less counted.
The health care system has effectively collapsed. You now have THOUSANDS OF INFECTED people unable to receive any health care treatment at all. They may go to a clinic but it won't treat them. They are then told to go home or whatever, where they start another infection cycle.
You have a spreading, unchecked Ebola epidemic in West Africa. You have NO ability to treat the people at all. I fully expect the thousands of people confined in West Point are now infected with Ebola. They have now been released to spread it further into the Liberian capital.
The prognosis is grim for West Africa. I do not think there is any effective measures to be taken at this point. The Ebola epidemic will have to "burn out" in West Africa. Exactly how many people will still be alive one year from now is the real question.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Actually, in Africa it seems to be men having sex with infected women (usually prostitutes) in Russia it was (at least at the start) mostly drug users sharing needles; in North America and Europe it was spread (at first especially) predominately by male homosexuals and yes it was made much worse by the tendency of some gay men to have many-many sex partners. Patient Zero was a flight steward and to make it even worse when he became ill he had to go back to work to keep his health insurance, he managed to stay on the job until he almost couldn't stand up any longer and his main hobby was having sex with hundreds of men, all over the world but especially in North America.
However, in Africa it was (and still is) predominately a disease of heterosexuals, yes it is spread primarily by sex so you are correct that if everyone was always faithful and came to the marriage bed a virgin and never had another partner; then if they never had to use a rural African health system or had a blood transfusion between about 1981 and 1993 they are probably "safe." However, people are not perfect and especially in Africa many women simply don't have a lot of choices; that's why there was such a strong desire on the part of public health specialists to try to develop a form of female condom that a women could use comfortably and perhaps without the knowledge of her husband/partner. It was mostly to protect married women as much as it was prostitutes who often could demand a condom be used (though they tend to get more money without one and when your earning about 15 cents a day that could be an issue)but the point is they are sex workers but the married women are often the saddest cases (along with their infected or orphaned children of course).
The entire idea that HIV was a "gay" disease is what held up first world research (especially under Reagan) because the whole thing became a political football - and it that sense, this is related to Ebola because in Africa both Aids and now Ebola have suffered from political foot ball syndrome. Which means it just keeps getting passed around, but no one really deals with it until suddenly it is raging on the doorstep; parts of Africa woke up one day to realize they had lost a good portion of the "middle" generation with elderly grandparents trying to raise entire families of orphans because all their adult children had died or were sick. Then they had to deal with it, though even today things are rather spotty, a disease that now in the Western world people may live with for decades still often kills in five years or less because the drugs are simply unaffordable. But at least they try and we even get some of the public education adverts here on Sky TV, which also broadcasts some of the same stations in Africa; one of those I've seen include a young bride testing positive holding a photo of herself in a white dress with the caption "he swears he never slept with anyone before marriage," as the doctor is giving her the bad news.
But the point is really that HIV/AIDs IS much less contagious than Ebola and yet millions still died from it and still die from it in the third world, because no one wanted to look at something that made them uncomfortable. In the case of HIV/AID's it was sex and to a lesser extent blood (that was an issue in some third world cultures) and with Ebola it is uncomfortable because it is so contagious and the end game is almost always DEATH. Death makes people, especially politicians or civil servants uncomfortable, especially when they know they don't really have an answer and that things may already be out of control. So they pretend it isn't happening as long as they can, then give people platitudes as long as they can, I still remember the "assurances" that blood transfusing were "perfectly safe" and that "testing wasn't needed" because the "chances" of catching HIV were so low...yea right, tell that to the hundreds of Mother's and new born babies on the AID's Quilt that died AFTER the medical community was pretty sure there was no "safe" level but for political and financial reasons they were not allowed to go public. Those Mothers, Babies and men with Hemophilia died BECAUSE the situation was ignored for the same sorts of political and financial reasons as are happening with Ebola; slightly different excuses, this time it is more international air travel and commerce that is at risk of disruption rather than the largest suppliers of blood in the US being sued into bankruptcy, but the bottom line is the financial transactions are deemed more important than halting a the progression of a disease or even giving out correct information about it.
This is scary, and it appalls me just how much the world is acting like Europe in the Middle Ages when faced with the Black Death; the difference being we know this isn't caused by poison wells or prevented by dancing before the Holy Relics in the street processions. But fear and panic will cause people to react in similar ways, no matter century is written on the wall...
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Doug, I am going to make one more reply on this, then hopefully drop this tie-in; I worked on the AID's Quilt and I saw a heck of a lot of quilts, you would be amazed at the number of Mothers and Babies who died after receiving blood transfusions during that time period. I was stunned and at that point in my life, very little connected with the epidemic did - for the record I was a "High Priestess" (religious/clergy leader) of a "Circle" that met at 18th and Castro (then center of the Gay Universe during that time period). I was appointed to the position as part of my Pagan Clergy training (took five years in Spiral Seminary) and my very first ritual was a funeral. So yes, I am very well aware that the majority of cases in North America were gay men, but you know North America is a very big place so we are still talking hundreds if not thousands of people who were infected and died during that time period who were not homosexuals; one local activist was in fact a lesbian who got it through a blood transfusion like the majority of non-drug users. At one point, it looked to be moving out the gay community to a degree; as men learned the risks and modified their behavior (promiscuity became popular and couples became "in") and into the IV drug community; there was always a cross-over, but like prostitution in Africa it threatened to move into the mainstream of Middle America via that route and the government (and the CDC) knew it. The alarm was raised and suddenly there was money for research, this was also at the same time the hemophilia scandal broke and it was admitted (eventually in court) that the supplies and Big Pharma were pretty certain for months that the disease was being spread by infected blood products but did nothing to stop it because well, it was just too expensive and they hoped it would be OK; besides they were afraid to admit it at that point.
To that extent, you could say that every Mother, Baby and person who required blood products to live (or had a blood transfusion) AFTER the time the HIV virus was discovered and BEFORE the blood supply/Big Pharma people were forced to take them off the market; was MURDERED by these greed/fear/political decisions. Of course, a large part of a generation of gay men died too as did millions in Africa and Asia; but quite a number of all these people might have had a chance if the research had started five to seven years earlier when the epidemic first was recognized. The first drug that actually did some good, had already been invented and was just sitting around in US government labs waiting to be tested; AZT didn't cure the disease but it slowed it down enough that a lot of people lived to get the first drugs that really have prolonged life.
I've been out of the loop for a long time now, it has taken years to process a lot of what I saw and experienced during those years; I learned enough to know that disease is no respecter of persons and it is never wise to try to put germs in a box. It is human nature to feel that one is safe because they don't do "such and such" and deep down we all believe in our hearts we live in a magically charmed circle where these things don't happen to us or those we love, until it does. If we didn't have that basic inner belief, we could not go on day to day, it is something nature (or the Creator) puts there so as human beings we can cope. Most of the time this inner belief gives us strength to function, but it can backfire spectacularly in the face of a serious on-going threat that our minds just can't really cope with very well.
That's what is happening in Africa right now and is starting to happen in the West...scary
To that extent, you could say that every Mother, Baby and person who required blood products to live (or had a blood transfusion) AFTER the time the HIV virus was discovered and BEFORE the blood supply/Big Pharma people were forced to take them off the market; was MURDERED by these greed/fear/political decisions. Of course, a large part of a generation of gay men died too as did millions in Africa and Asia; but quite a number of all these people might have had a chance if the research had started five to seven years earlier when the epidemic first was recognized. The first drug that actually did some good, had already been invented and was just sitting around in US government labs waiting to be tested; AZT didn't cure the disease but it slowed it down enough that a lot of people lived to get the first drugs that really have prolonged life.
I've been out of the loop for a long time now, it has taken years to process a lot of what I saw and experienced during those years; I learned enough to know that disease is no respecter of persons and it is never wise to try to put germs in a box. It is human nature to feel that one is safe because they don't do "such and such" and deep down we all believe in our hearts we live in a magically charmed circle where these things don't happen to us or those we love, until it does. If we didn't have that basic inner belief, we could not go on day to day, it is something nature (or the Creator) puts there so as human beings we can cope. Most of the time this inner belief gives us strength to function, but it can backfire spectacularly in the face of a serious on-going threat that our minds just can't really cope with very well.
That's what is happening in Africa right now and is starting to happen in the West...scary
Be Well
may all be well
Straw man. No need to have been a virgin, if there is any doubt, the engaged couple can get AIDS tests and find out before one infects the other. Really simple. I know dozens and dozens of married couples, both well as friends and more distantly as acquaintances, and many of them had relationships before marriage and this will be amazing, but not one of them has AIDS. The idea that one must have never had another sex partner is false, and AIDS tests are quite reliable from what I've read.
Promiscuous sex is the vector, and in places other than Africa, at least in the US and from what I know, EU, it is primarily male homosexuals who are the vector, then prostitutes and IV drug users. I have read that in some places in Africa something noxious called "dry sex" is also responsible as it makes women more prone to infection.
Anyway, facts are stubborn things, and I won't touch this topic again on this thread.
naturallysweet
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Please show me when Reagan said don't worry about AIDS if you are not a gay male? AIDS wasn't originally diagnosed until 1984, and his budgets spent billions on funding for research and education.
On the other hand, the CDC is spreading outright lies today about Ebola, which may end up killing millions.
Aids is completely controllable if we had the intestinal fortitude to quarantine all persons with the disease to one or two cities and let them live out there lives with medical care, jobs taking care of said city doing nationwide test mandatory all person tested semiannual it could be done but it's not the political correct thing to do instead 10 of thousand are infected every year and it is a death sentence. .
naturallysweet
Has No Life - Lives on TB
EBOLA IS MUTATING
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/...ica?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
OVER 250 MUTATIONS' OF EBOLA SPREADING ACROSS WEST AFRICA
by AWR HAWKINS 30 Aug 2014, 9:13 AM PDT 64 POST A COMMENT
Researchers in West Africa have discovered "over 250 mutations" of Ebola spreading through West Africa.
NPR reports that "the lead author" of research on the virus is Harvard computational biologist Pardis Sabeti. She says that "the virus is rapidly accumulating new mutations as it spreads through people." This means "over 250 ... mutations are changing in real time."
The data gathered by Sabeti "also indicate that the outbreak started when just one person caught Ebola from an animal." Thereafter, the virus spread "through human-to-human transmission--not through humans eating infected bush meat (wild game) as was first thought."
Columbia University's Stephen Morse is "not surprised the virus is mutating so rapidly." Drawing on examples from SARS, HIV, and the flu, he said, "Very often when a new virus is introduced into the human population very suddenly, it will show accelerated rates of evolution."
On August 8, Breitbart News reported that the families of U.S. diplomats were ordered to leave Liberia because of the Ebola virus. At that time, Reuters reported that "U.S staff would remain on active duty at the embassy and additional staff were being sent" to aid the government of Liberia as it coped with the virus.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/...ica?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
OVER 250 MUTATIONS' OF EBOLA SPREADING ACROSS WEST AFRICA
by AWR HAWKINS 30 Aug 2014, 9:13 AM PDT 64 POST A COMMENT
Researchers in West Africa have discovered "over 250 mutations" of Ebola spreading through West Africa.
NPR reports that "the lead author" of research on the virus is Harvard computational biologist Pardis Sabeti. She says that "the virus is rapidly accumulating new mutations as it spreads through people." This means "over 250 ... mutations are changing in real time."
The data gathered by Sabeti "also indicate that the outbreak started when just one person caught Ebola from an animal." Thereafter, the virus spread "through human-to-human transmission--not through humans eating infected bush meat (wild game) as was first thought."
Columbia University's Stephen Morse is "not surprised the virus is mutating so rapidly." Drawing on examples from SARS, HIV, and the flu, he said, "Very often when a new virus is introduced into the human population very suddenly, it will show accelerated rates of evolution."
On August 8, Breitbart News reported that the families of U.S. diplomats were ordered to leave Liberia because of the Ebola virus. At that time, Reuters reported that "U.S staff would remain on active duty at the embassy and additional staff were being sent" to aid the government of Liberia as it coped with the virus.
mscoffee
Veteran Member
Looking at HIV numbers at the CDC.. things have changed a little through the years.
One in four people living with HIV infection in the United States are women.
Most new HIV infections in women are from heterosexual contact (84%).
Only about half of women who are diagnosed with HIV are in care, and even fewer (4 in 10) have the virus under control.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/women/facts/index.html
One in four people living with HIV infection in the United States are women.
Most new HIV infections in women are from heterosexual contact (84%).
Only about half of women who are diagnosed with HIV are in care, and even fewer (4 in 10) have the virus under control.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/women/facts/index.html
naturallysweet
Has No Life - Lives on TB
All it would is for one generation to stop having casual sex, and we would eliminate it.
People know how it's spread now, and they get it. Worse, there are the Bug catchers in the homosexual community who purposely get AIDS. I fail to see how Reagan could stop self destructive mentally ill people from killing themselves, when they are bound and determined to do just that.
naturallysweet
Has No Life - Lives on TB
EBOLA CASES IN WEST AFRICA INCREASING, NOT DECREASING
by WARNER TODD HUSTON 29 Aug 2014
Authorities warn that cases of Ebola in western Africa seem to be on the rise, not the wane, with 40 percent of all known cases having been reported in just the last 20 days.
There are now over three thousand known cases of Ebola, most in the several nations of western Africa. So far, 1,552 people have died from the infection.
"I wish I didn't have to say this, but it is going get worse before it gets better," Dr. Tom Frieden, the director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said during an August 21 press conference.
Dr. Frieden said the spiraling problem was dire.
The situation is made worse by the fact that many Africans in far-flung, rural areas fear health officials and won't bring sick loved ones to the cities for help. Authorities feel that many hundreds more cases are raging unchecked and unknown out in the African bush country.
Since early in August flights in and out of the stricken areas in Africa have been stopped, and the area has been isolated as much as possible in this interconnected world in which we live.
In the US the Ebola scare hit hard early in August as patients across the nation were tested for the virus. But even as the testing was being done, information on who and where these tests were being carried out was seemingly suppressed by US authorities.
The fear of the virus has even hit US colleges, many of whom have decided to put a close
watch on any student coming from the African continent.
On Friday it was reported that several US schools will start screening students for Ebola. Those colleges include the University of Illinois; the University at Buffalo; Mercer University in Macon, Georgia; Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia; and the University of Akron in Ohio, among others.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/08/29/Ebola-Cases-in-West-Africa-Increasing-Not-Decreasing
by WARNER TODD HUSTON 29 Aug 2014
Authorities warn that cases of Ebola in western Africa seem to be on the rise, not the wane, with 40 percent of all known cases having been reported in just the last 20 days.
There are now over three thousand known cases of Ebola, most in the several nations of western Africa. So far, 1,552 people have died from the infection.
"I wish I didn't have to say this, but it is going get worse before it gets better," Dr. Tom Frieden, the director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said during an August 21 press conference.
Dr. Frieden said the spiraling problem was dire.
The situation is made worse by the fact that many Africans in far-flung, rural areas fear health officials and won't bring sick loved ones to the cities for help. Authorities feel that many hundreds more cases are raging unchecked and unknown out in the African bush country.
Since early in August flights in and out of the stricken areas in Africa have been stopped, and the area has been isolated as much as possible in this interconnected world in which we live.
In the US the Ebola scare hit hard early in August as patients across the nation were tested for the virus. But even as the testing was being done, information on who and where these tests were being carried out was seemingly suppressed by US authorities.
The fear of the virus has even hit US colleges, many of whom have decided to put a close
watch on any student coming from the African continent.
On Friday it was reported that several US schools will start screening students for Ebola. Those colleges include the University of Illinois; the University at Buffalo; Mercer University in Macon, Georgia; Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia; and the University of Akron in Ohio, among others.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/08/29/Ebola-Cases-in-West-Africa-Increasing-Not-Decreasing
naturallysweet
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Remember those dogs that were eating the bodies that were left in the streets for days. It turns out that it's pretty common for Africans to eat dog meat.
Medical Maven
Deceased
Well, heck, I have to get in my two bits. HIV/AIDs never had a reasonable chance of taking down the Grid. New Ebola, if it keeps going and is not stopped, could very well take down the Grid, and thus our civilization. That is the significant distinction to my mind between the two.
There is a world of difference between millions of individual tragedies spread out through time and a focused civilization-buster. Liberia is swirling the drain even now.
There is a world of difference between millions of individual tragedies spread out through time and a focused civilization-buster. Liberia is swirling the drain even now.
Intestinal Fortitude
Have Faith
easy there
And a word about the trests being used (further to what I posted a week ago from Rappoport's site and research):
http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/201...test-which-may-never-show-negative-for-ebola/
" Dr Strangelove would be proud. The FDA has authorized the use of an unapproved Ebola virus test under a special emergency provision, which may never show a negative result for Ebola no matter how healthy you are, according to the FDA’s own figures.
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-ebola-vaccine-20140806-story.html
An instruction booklet issued by the FDA shows that the two PCR systems to be used for Ebola testing in “emergency situations” have never tested negative.
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/MedicalDevices/Safety/EmergencySituations/UCM408334.pdf
The diagnostic tests developed by the U.S. military have never, in fact, been tested on healthy people without Ebola to see if they accurately identify people without Ebola.
Tables 40 and 54 show that the Ebola diagnostic kit was never tested on any negative specimens and yet the booklet claims a 100% accuracy in detecting people without Ebola in both cases. False.
Refraining altogether from testing Ebola negative blood does not mean the test tube kit is accurate in detecting people without Ebola. It just means there is absolutely no data on its effectiveness in detecting people without Ebola. For all we know, the Ebola tests could give false positive results on healthy people 100% of the time.
Why is not a single negative specimen included in the mock clinical study summary statistics?
Indirect confirmation that the unapproved Ebola PCR tests do not detect healthy people comes from an interview with Matt Boisen, Program Director of Infectious Disease & Emerging Technologies at Corgenix Medical Corp, which is supplying Ebola diagnostic tests to Sierra Leone together with Tulane University.
“PCR testing can also fail to detect EVD cases that have survived the acute viral infection and have developed post-acute or convalescent antibody titers,” says Boisen.
http://www.selectscience.net/select...care-testing-stop-ebola-outbreak/?artID=33330
That means the Ebola PCR test is so inaccurate, it cannot detect people who have survived Ebola or who have convalescent antibody titers as someone who is vaccinated with Ebola might have.
In fact, the Sierra Leone government ordered Tulane University to stop ebola testing.
These tests are also unapproved.
Jon Rappoport points on that the US diagnostic kits are utterly unreliable.
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/08/05/ebola-the-us-diagnostic-test-is-utterly-ureliable/
Table 40. Mock Clinical Study Summary Statistics
EZ1 Detection Assay on the ABI 7500 Fast Dx Platform Positive Results Negative Results
Positive Specimens (2.25 x LoD) 15 0
Positive Specimens (3 x LoD) 15 0
Positive Specimens (MAX) 15 0
Negative Specimens (100) 0 100
Total (145) 45 100
95% CI
Positive Percent Agreement 45/45 100% 92.13%-100%
Negative Percent Agreement 100/100 100% 96.38%-100%
Conclusion:
The EZ1 assay correctly identified 45 of 45 specimens spiked with inactivated Ebola Zaire virus at the concentrations shown, including concentrations near the limit of detection of the assay. No negatively spiked specimen rendered a positive reading. "
http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/201...test-which-may-never-show-negative-for-ebola/
" Dr Strangelove would be proud. The FDA has authorized the use of an unapproved Ebola virus test under a special emergency provision, which may never show a negative result for Ebola no matter how healthy you are, according to the FDA’s own figures.
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-ebola-vaccine-20140806-story.html
An instruction booklet issued by the FDA shows that the two PCR systems to be used for Ebola testing in “emergency situations” have never tested negative.
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/MedicalDevices/Safety/EmergencySituations/UCM408334.pdf
The diagnostic tests developed by the U.S. military have never, in fact, been tested on healthy people without Ebola to see if they accurately identify people without Ebola.
Tables 40 and 54 show that the Ebola diagnostic kit was never tested on any negative specimens and yet the booklet claims a 100% accuracy in detecting people without Ebola in both cases. False.
Refraining altogether from testing Ebola negative blood does not mean the test tube kit is accurate in detecting people without Ebola. It just means there is absolutely no data on its effectiveness in detecting people without Ebola. For all we know, the Ebola tests could give false positive results on healthy people 100% of the time.
Why is not a single negative specimen included in the mock clinical study summary statistics?
Indirect confirmation that the unapproved Ebola PCR tests do not detect healthy people comes from an interview with Matt Boisen, Program Director of Infectious Disease & Emerging Technologies at Corgenix Medical Corp, which is supplying Ebola diagnostic tests to Sierra Leone together with Tulane University.
“PCR testing can also fail to detect EVD cases that have survived the acute viral infection and have developed post-acute or convalescent antibody titers,” says Boisen.
http://www.selectscience.net/select...care-testing-stop-ebola-outbreak/?artID=33330
That means the Ebola PCR test is so inaccurate, it cannot detect people who have survived Ebola or who have convalescent antibody titers as someone who is vaccinated with Ebola might have.
In fact, the Sierra Leone government ordered Tulane University to stop ebola testing.
These tests are also unapproved.
Jon Rappoport points on that the US diagnostic kits are utterly unreliable.
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/08/05/ebola-the-us-diagnostic-test-is-utterly-ureliable/
Table 40. Mock Clinical Study Summary Statistics
EZ1 Detection Assay on the ABI 7500 Fast Dx Platform Positive Results Negative Results
Positive Specimens (2.25 x LoD) 15 0
Positive Specimens (3 x LoD) 15 0
Positive Specimens (MAX) 15 0
Negative Specimens (100) 0 100
Total (145) 45 100
95% CI
Positive Percent Agreement 45/45 100% 92.13%-100%
Negative Percent Agreement 100/100 100% 96.38%-100%
Conclusion:
The EZ1 assay correctly identified 45 of 45 specimens spiked with inactivated Ebola Zaire virus at the concentrations shown, including concentrations near the limit of detection of the assay. No negatively spiked specimen rendered a positive reading. "
bw
Fringe Ranger
Would that it were true.
Woops I had no idea
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Hansa, I feel I must drift the thread just long enough to warn folks that it is the PROPORTION per weight of Potassium Cloride that can be dangerous---apparently Dr. Kevorkian used this substance--ORALLY---as part of the 'cocktail' he initially made up to help folks 'self-euthanize.'
Please see the information below; as for me, I am very interested in your "1/4 teaspoon a day" regimen; that sounds more 'right' for an adult-weight person, but I just want folks to be careful and not assume that if it's taken orally, it's ok:
Can salt substitute kill you?
December 17, 1999
Dear Cecil:
There is a common (I hesitate to say "popular") salt substitute called NoSalt that consists of the compound potassium chloride (which is indeed a salt, but not a sodium-based one). This compound is used in other salt substitutes as well. Curiously, this very same compound has been used on several occasions by Dr. Jack Kevorkian for euthanasia (including, if I am not mistaken, his most recent, televised one) and also in executions. It works by stopping the heart.
Admittedly this is a sensitive question — we don't want to give anyone ideas — but I cannot resist the natural query: how much NoSalt would one have to consume (orally) to experience cardiac arrest? The makers of NoSalt do not volunteer this information on the package. And why did Kevorkian resort to carbon monoxide when he lost his license and could no longer procure drugs, when presumably all he'd need to do was go to the grocery store, buy some NoSalt, mix it in some water, and inject it (or maybe just fix a large quantity of NoSalted pretzels)?
— Eric Ewanco, Framingham, Massachusetts
Cecil replies:
Very funny, Eric. Then I pulled out a few reports of deaths and near misses involving potassium chloride and did some math. You know what? This is no joke.
Some cases from the medical journals:
An infant went into cardiac arrest after being fed a mixture of grits and salt substitute by his five-year-old sibling. He was revived and eventually recovered. Amount of salt substitute in the grits (not all of which were consumed): less than a tablespoon.
A 75-year-old woman with a bad heart began using Morton Lite Salt, a mixture of potassium chloride and ordinary salt (sodium chloride), on the advice of her daughter. Within a few weeks she experienced shortness of breath and swollen ankles. Eventually she was taken to the emergency room and treated for congestive heart failure.
A woman attempted suicide by swallowing 100 potassium chloride tablets. She went into a coma and despite treatment died after two weeks. Total consumption of potassium chloride: 60 grams. Equivalent in commercial salt substitute, assuming a typical mixture of 90 percent potassium chloride: 11 teaspoons.
Another woman taking potassium chloride tablets for a medical condition began using them whenever she felt weak or tired. One evening she began suffering from diarrhea. She was told to stop taking the pills but was found dead the next morning. An autopsy revealed she'd consumed 47 tablets.
A mother, following the instructions in Adelle Davis's book Let's Have Healthy Children (1972), fed her infant about three-quarters of a teaspoon of potassium chloride mixed with her breast milk. The child stopped breathing and though rushed to the hospital died after 28 hours.
Conclusion: You don't have to swallow a whole lot of potassium chloride, as a salt substitute or otherwise, to have big-time problems.
That said, reports of deaths or close calls due to ingesting potassium chloride are rare. Children and people with medical problems are most at risk. The NoSalt label includes the warning "Persons having diabetes, heart or kidney disease, or persons receiving medical treatment should consult a physician before using a salt alternative or substitute." But the label also says, "Recommended for salt or sodium-restricted diets … dietary reduction of sodium may help in reducing high blood pressure." It goes on to offer a "suggested lifestyle modification for management of high blood pressure," which to me suggests that consumers are being urged to self-medicate. The label on Morton Salt Substitute is clearer: "Consult physician before using any salt substitute." However they label it, the fact that you can buy this stuff in the spice section of the supermarket has to give you pause.
As for Dr. Kevorkian, potassium chloride was only one of several drugs administered by his "suicide machine." He also used a sedative and a muscle relaxant to calm the patient, neither of which was available at Safeway. Presumably he switched to carbon monoxide to avoid the spectacle of an unsedated, twitching death.
— Cecil Adams
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1364/can-salt-substitute-kill-you
Sacajawea
Has No Life - Lives on TB
This doesn't seem to be working out so well. No one knows how many people were able to sneak out of the quarantined slum in Liberia; others with money & influence or simple opportunity have run to other places, too.
There is already a growing body of scientific evidence and a pattern of anecdotal instances that suggest that people are contagious before showing symptoms. Please note the victims who tested negative, and went about their business in relief -- only to become terribly ill and die, days later. And as for the virus living outside of a person - and staying infective on hard surfaces - that too hasn't been completely ruled out either. You know... like cold/flu germs. So far, the evidence says: CAN live as long as 6 days on fomites; on a door handle, that's a lot of usage... unless cleaning/sanitizing is frequent and very thorough.
And I believe it was the Canadians, in their study, that proved the virus can remain stable even at very cold temperatures.
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All that said, though... I doubt this crisis will go to waste. And all the more reason to work one's way through to "known knowns" and "known unknowns".
VesperSparrow
Goin' where the lonely go
http://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10150411305715712
World air traffic over a 24 hour period.....Shows how easily and QUICKLY this and everything else can spread....
World air traffic over a 24 hour period.....Shows how easily and QUICKLY this and everything else can spread....
Medical Maven
Deceased
MY COMMENT: Now we begin to enter the Blackout Phase of the pandemic in Africa, (and increasingly elsewhere).
Posted by Pixie at the PFI Forum.
PIXIE COMMENTS:
With few updates out of Senegal, I wondered why. Maybe this explains the reticence in reporting. From last week:
Senegal: Newspaper Editor Handed Suspended Sentence for Publishing False News On Ebola
19 AUGUST 2014
http://allafrica.com/stories/201408201294.html?aa_source=acrdn-f0
Félix N'zalé, a journalist and managing editor of privately-owned La Tribune newspaper, was on August 14, 2014, handed a one-year suspended sentence and a fine of FCFA one million (equivalent to US$ 2,200) for publishing false news.
He was also ordered to publish the court's decision in four newspapers in the country.
The La Tribune newspaper on August 11, carried a front-page story titled "5 cases of Ebola in Senegal". The report is said to have caused panic among the Senegalese people and annoyed the authorities, including the Minister of Health, Eva Marie Coll Seck.
According to MFWA's correspondent, the state prosecutor, took up the matter and had the journalist summoned. He was kept in police custody and then later placed under a committal order on August 12.
In a press communiqué, the Ministry of Justice, said the information published by the newspaper could have extremely serious repercussions for Senegal. "This information can place our country in quarantine by the international community and seriously affect Senegalese desirous of travelling, particularly at a time when people are busy preparing for the pilgrimage to Mecca."
N'zalé is said to have apologised to the court at the trial. 'I'm sorry, I regret the act. I acknowledge that the information is false," he said.
The journalist is also said to have admitted to the court that he did not crosscheck his information before publishing because he trusted his source.
The MFWA is calling on journalists to be professional in their work. We urge them to be a source of public education on the disease instead of causing panic with false information.
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Posted by Pixie at the PFI Forum.
PIXIE COMMENTS:
With few updates out of Senegal, I wondered why. Maybe this explains the reticence in reporting. From last week:
Senegal: Newspaper Editor Handed Suspended Sentence for Publishing False News On Ebola
19 AUGUST 2014
http://allafrica.com/stories/201408201294.html?aa_source=acrdn-f0
Félix N'zalé, a journalist and managing editor of privately-owned La Tribune newspaper, was on August 14, 2014, handed a one-year suspended sentence and a fine of FCFA one million (equivalent to US$ 2,200) for publishing false news.
He was also ordered to publish the court's decision in four newspapers in the country.
The La Tribune newspaper on August 11, carried a front-page story titled "5 cases of Ebola in Senegal". The report is said to have caused panic among the Senegalese people and annoyed the authorities, including the Minister of Health, Eva Marie Coll Seck.
According to MFWA's correspondent, the state prosecutor, took up the matter and had the journalist summoned. He was kept in police custody and then later placed under a committal order on August 12.
In a press communiqué, the Ministry of Justice, said the information published by the newspaper could have extremely serious repercussions for Senegal. "This information can place our country in quarantine by the international community and seriously affect Senegalese desirous of travelling, particularly at a time when people are busy preparing for the pilgrimage to Mecca."
N'zalé is said to have apologised to the court at the trial. 'I'm sorry, I regret the act. I acknowledge that the information is false," he said.
The journalist is also said to have admitted to the court that he did not crosscheck his information before publishing because he trusted his source.
The MFWA is calling on journalists to be professional in their work. We urge them to be a source of public education on the disease instead of causing panic with false information.
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Medical Maven
Deceased
MY COMMENT: And it gets worse. Soon the CIA will have to position satellites over Africa so as to count untouched bodies in the streets so as to extrapolate the extent of the contagion.
Posted by Monotreme at the PFI Forum.
Sudan bans reporting on Ebola
http://en.starafrica.com/news/sudan-bans-reporting-on-ebola.html
August 31, 2014
The Sudanese authorities have prohibited local media from covering any news related to the Ebola virus.Press sources who asked not to be mentioned for security reasons confirmed to APA on Saturday that the security authorities have circulated warning to all media outlets not to publish any news or articles related to the transmission of the Ebola virus in Sudan.
The prohibition came after local media reported on some suspected cases of Ebola in the west of Sudan.
The Minister of Health Affairs for the Darfur Regional Authority, Firdos Abdel Rahman Yousif denied reports of the deadly Ebola virus disease in El Geneina, capital of West Darfur State.
The Sudan News Agency quoted the minister as saying the suspected case had come from Abeche in Chad.
The patient suffered from hemorrhagic fever, began taking treatment from the health center, and was then transferred to a hospital in El Geneina, she claimed.
The Ebola epidemic has killed over 1, 400 people in Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Nigeria since its outbreak in West Africa in February.
Over 2, 500 people are infected by the virus in the region according to the World Health Organization.
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Posted by Monotreme at the PFI Forum.
Sudan bans reporting on Ebola
http://en.starafrica.com/news/sudan-bans-reporting-on-ebola.html
August 31, 2014
The Sudanese authorities have prohibited local media from covering any news related to the Ebola virus.Press sources who asked not to be mentioned for security reasons confirmed to APA on Saturday that the security authorities have circulated warning to all media outlets not to publish any news or articles related to the transmission of the Ebola virus in Sudan.
The prohibition came after local media reported on some suspected cases of Ebola in the west of Sudan.
The Minister of Health Affairs for the Darfur Regional Authority, Firdos Abdel Rahman Yousif denied reports of the deadly Ebola virus disease in El Geneina, capital of West Darfur State.
The Sudan News Agency quoted the minister as saying the suspected case had come from Abeche in Chad.
The patient suffered from hemorrhagic fever, began taking treatment from the health center, and was then transferred to a hospital in El Geneina, she claimed.
The Ebola epidemic has killed over 1, 400 people in Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Nigeria since its outbreak in West Africa in February.
Over 2, 500 people are infected by the virus in the region according to the World Health Organization.
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Medical Maven
Deceased
Posted by Dr. Niman at his rhizalabs forum.
PORT HARCOURT, August 31, 2014 (AFP) - The widow of a doctor who died from Ebola in Nigeria's oil city of Port Harcourt has also tested positive for the virus, the state government said on Sunday.
Rivers State health commissioner Sampson Parker said test results showed the woman had the disease, which claimed the life of her husband, Ike Enemuo, on August 22.
Enemuo fell ill and died after treating an official from the ECOWAS regional bloc who travelled to Port Harcourt after having contact with a Liberian man who brought the virus into Nigeria.
The doctor was the sixth to die from the virus in Nigeria and the first outside Lagos, raising fears about the spread of the haemmorhagic fever just as it was thought to have been contained.
Sampson said three patients -- another doctor, a pharmacist and a woman who had contact with Enemuo at the hospital where he died -- had been taken to a specialist treatment centre outside the city.
Enemuo's widow was at an isolation unit in Lagos, he added.
"They have not been confirmed (as having Ebola) and we are waiting for the result of the investigation," he told a news conference.
Some 200 primary and secondary contacts have been traced, although about 60 had yet to be spoken to, he added. None of them had shown symptoms, he said.
"We are concentrating on the names we have to capture in our (monitoring) activities but the good news is that we have been making good progress in checking the spread of Ebola," he said.
Parker said early detection and treatment was vital, appealing for anyone who had contact with Enemuo, his clinic, the ECOWAS official or the hotel where he stayed to contact them immediately.
Of the 15 confirmed cases in Ebola, seven of the patients recovered, the government in Abuja has said.
The ECOWAS official is also thought to have recovered.
Nigeria is one of five countries in West Africa hit by Ebola, although the majority of the more than 1,500 deaths since the start of the year have been in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea.
str-phz/er
http://reliefweb.int/report/nigeria/widow-nigerias-sixth-ebola-victim-also-has-virus-state-govt
PORT HARCOURT, August 31, 2014 (AFP) - The widow of a doctor who died from Ebola in Nigeria's oil city of Port Harcourt has also tested positive for the virus, the state government said on Sunday.
Rivers State health commissioner Sampson Parker said test results showed the woman had the disease, which claimed the life of her husband, Ike Enemuo, on August 22.
Enemuo fell ill and died after treating an official from the ECOWAS regional bloc who travelled to Port Harcourt after having contact with a Liberian man who brought the virus into Nigeria.
The doctor was the sixth to die from the virus in Nigeria and the first outside Lagos, raising fears about the spread of the haemmorhagic fever just as it was thought to have been contained.
Sampson said three patients -- another doctor, a pharmacist and a woman who had contact with Enemuo at the hospital where he died -- had been taken to a specialist treatment centre outside the city.
Enemuo's widow was at an isolation unit in Lagos, he added.
"They have not been confirmed (as having Ebola) and we are waiting for the result of the investigation," he told a news conference.
Some 200 primary and secondary contacts have been traced, although about 60 had yet to be spoken to, he added. None of them had shown symptoms, he said.
"We are concentrating on the names we have to capture in our (monitoring) activities but the good news is that we have been making good progress in checking the spread of Ebola," he said.
Parker said early detection and treatment was vital, appealing for anyone who had contact with Enemuo, his clinic, the ECOWAS official or the hotel where he stayed to contact them immediately.
Of the 15 confirmed cases in Ebola, seven of the patients recovered, the government in Abuja has said.
The ECOWAS official is also thought to have recovered.
Nigeria is one of five countries in West Africa hit by Ebola, although the majority of the more than 1,500 deaths since the start of the year have been in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea.
str-phz/er
http://reliefweb.int/report/nigeria/widow-nigerias-sixth-ebola-victim-also-has-virus-state-govt
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