HEALTH MAIN EBOLA DISCUSSION THREAD - WEEK OF 8/16/14 - 8/31/14

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Housecarl

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http://news.yahoo.com/msf-says-six-months-contain-ebola-114304628.html

Ebola-hit states plead for more help, WHO rebuked for slow response

Reuters
By Stephanie Nebehay and Umaru Fofana
15 hours ago

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GENEVA/FREETOWN, Aug 15 (Reuters) - Two West African nations and a medical charity fighting the world's worst Ebola epidemic chided the World Health Organization (WHO) on Friday for its slow response, saying more action was needed to save victims threatened by the disease and hunger.

With the death toll over 1,000 and still climbing, the U.N. health agency is facing questions over whether it moved quickly enough to declare the months-old outbreak a "public health emergency of international concern", which it did on Aug 8.

Medical charity MSF (Doctors Without Borders), which has been one of the most active groups in fighting the outbreak, said its spread had created a "wartime" situation in the worst-affected states of Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea. Nigeria is also facing a smaller separate outbreak.

Sierra Leone President Ernest Bai Koroma said his nation's only two treatment centers were "overwhelmed". In neighboring Liberia, Information Minister Lewis Brown said Ebola-affected rural areas quarantined by troops faced serious food shortages.

"We need a more robust response to the nature of the disease and the way it is affecting us," Koroma said in Freetown, adding he had delivered this message to the WHO, which is coordinating international efforts to try to control the outbreak.

The WHO said on Friday the death toll from this epidemic, first declared in Guinea in March, had risen to 1,145, as 76 new deaths were reported in the two days to Aug. 13 in the four nations affected so far.

"If our people are dying, the response should be an extraordinary response because it is an extraordinary situation," Koroma told a news conference, saying his country needed more Ebola treatment centers and medics to staff them.

"Time is of the essence," he added, saying he had seen the world respond to major humanitarian crises, such as the 2010 earthquake in Haiti, and West Africa needed similar help.

Fear of the virus, which causes fever, vomiting and, in its advanced form, severe hemorrhaging and organ failure, is curbing business in Africa and threatening to taint the continent's image as a rising economic star.

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In Liberia, which like neighbors Sierra Leone and Guinea has deployed troops to cordon off a tri-border zone which has the highest concentration of Ebola cases, Brown said his country also needed more health personnel and aid.

"The reaction quite frankly is not where we would want it to be to give any serious level of comfort," Brown told Reuters, although he said there had been an improvement.

On Thursday, the WHO said its staff had seen evidence the numbers of reported cases and deaths vastly underestimated the scale of the outbreak and said it would coordinate "a massive scaling up of the international response".

MSF President Joanne Liu, speaking after a 10-day trip to West Africa, compared the current Ebola outbreak to a "wartime" situation. "It's like a front line, it's moving, it's advancing, but we have no clue as to how it is going to go around."

She told reporters in Geneva that the WHO needed to "take leadership" and more experts were urgently needed on the ground. "I think the wake-up call was too late," Liu said.

On April 1, WHO spokesman Gregory Hartl had described the West African outbreak as "relatively small still" after MSF Director General Bruno Jochum had warned it was "unprecedented" and "exceptional".

THREAT OF HUNGER

"If we don't stabilize Liberia, we will never stabilize the region. Over the next six months we should get the upper hand on the epidemic; this is my gut feeling," MSF's Liu said.

Brown said his country had "pockets all around the place reporting infection", including the border farming county of Lofa, where a drop in agriculture output because of the outbreak and quarantine measures had created a threat of food shortages.

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Liberia had requested emergency food aid from donors.

"We can establish as many checkpoints as we want, but if we cannot get the food and the medical supplies into affected communities, they will leave," Brown said. "We can't ask our people to starve."

International agencies are looking into emergency food deliveries to reach people in Liberia and Sierra Leone cordoned off from the outside world, a World Bank official said.

The worst-affected countries are recovering from a decade of civil wars and have some of the weakest health systems in the world. Liberia has one doctor for every 70,000 people, Sierra Leone one for every 45,000, compared to one for every 360 people in Britain and one for every 410 in the United States.

Alarm over the risk of the disease, which can kill up to 90 percent of those it afflicts and is spread by contact with the bodily fluids of infected persons and animals, has triggered a wave of travel warnings and restrictions, cancellations of events and flight suspensions to the region by some airlines.

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) said on Friday it was prohibiting young athletes from the Ebola-affected region of West Africa from participating in certain events at the Youth Olympic Games in Nanjing, China.

"EMERGENCY WITHIN EMERGENCY"

MSF's Liu said the "emergency within the emergency" of the current outbreak was the heavy toll inflicted on health workers.

"We found that in the four countries, in terms of healthcare workers, there were 80 deaths and 170 infected," she said, noting that the rainy season was starting in the region.

"What we face today ... is that people don't have access to basic health care. So more today are dying of malaria than are dying of Ebola," Liu said.

Sierra Leone has declared Ebola a national emergency as has Liberia, which is hoping that two of its doctors diagnosed with Ebola can start treatment with some of the limited supply of experimental drug ZMapp.

The WHO said it also welcomed the decision by the Canadian government to donate several hundred doses of an experimental vaccine to support the outbreak response.

Canada's Tekmira Pharmaceuticals Corp is also exploring making more of its experimental Ebola treatment, Chief Executive Officer Mark Murray said.

"A fully tested and licensed vaccine is not expected before 2015," WHO said.

In the United States, a Texas doctor being treated in Atlanta for Ebola after returning from Liberia has continued to improve and hopes to be released "in the near future," the Christian relief group he worked for said.

Nigeria also has declared a national emergency, although it has so far escaped the levels of infection seen in the three other countries, with four dead and 10 infected.

(Additional reporting by Daniel Flynn and Emma Farge in Dakar, Clair MacDougall in Monrovia; Writing by Pascal Fletcher; Editing by Mark Heinrich)

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Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
It's nothing till it's something, they're a bit sparse on the details, but ....

Man dies as 31 people found in container in Essex


A man has died and other people have been hospitalised with "significant health problems" after 31 adults and children were found inside a shipping container in Essex, England.
The container had arrived on a ship from Zeebrugge in Belgium.
The people were discovered as the container was being unloaded at 7.35am by Port of Tilbury authorities.
Basildon Hospital said on its Twitter feed that it is "responding to a major incident" at Tilbury Docks.
A hospital spokeswoman said they are providing treatment for 19 people including seven children.

A police spokesman said: "One man has sadly died and the others have significant health problems.
"They are being treated by ambulance crews and are being taken to local hospitals."
Police are dealing with the incident alongside staff from Port of Tilbury, UK Border Force and the East of England Ambulance Service.
The East of England Ambulance service confirmed that a hazardous area response team had been sent to the scene.

http://m.rte.ie/news/touch/2014/0816/637491-essex/
 

Seabird

Veteran Member
Thanks, Guys! This system with the threads will work great. First time with my crazy schedule that I was able to get through the whole thread and not miss anything. This thing is scary and we all need to stay connected with the news as it unfolds.

And thanks a million to everyone posting the news! You are all potential life-savers!

Peggy/ Seabird
 
The Elephant in the Room for First World Health Care Providers. (That's my title). Posted by Pixie at the PFI Forum this morning around the Hour of the Wolf.


Hospitals in the U.S. Get Ready for Ebola

By CATHERINE SAINT LOUISAUG. 15, 2014
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/health/hospitals-in-the-us-get-ready-for-ebola.html?_r=0

Hospitals nationwide are hustling to prepare for the first traveler from West Africa who arrives in the emergency room with symptoms of infection with the Ebola virus.

Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, has said such a case is inevitable in the United States, and the agency this month issued the first extensive guidelines for hospitals on how recognize and treat Ebola patients.

The recommendations touch on everything from the safe handling of lab specimens to effective isolation of suspected Ebola patients. But one piece of advice in particular has roused opposition from worried hospital administrators.

The C.D.C. says that health care workers treating Ebola patients need only wear gloves, a fluid-resistant gown, eye protection and a face mask to prevent becoming infected with the virus. That is a far cry from the head-to-toe “moon suits” doctors, nurses and aides have been seeing on television reports about the outbreak.

Some hospital officials are skeptical of the new advice. “It’s not going to be enough for my health care workers to feel comfortable going into an isolation room,” said Peggy Thompson, the director of infection prevention at Tampa General Hospital.

If a suspected Ebola patient arrives at her hospital, Ms. Thompson intends to outfit staff members in fluid-resistant jumpsuits with bootees, taped seams and hoods. They cost about $175 per dozen. She has not decided how many to order.

Faced with “copious amounts” of vomit or diarrhea, the C.D.C. acknowledges that leg coverings or double gloving might also be needed.

But, “We don’t always know when a patient is going to vomit,” Ms. Thompson, a former nurse, pointed out. “You get into that situation quickly, so you better go into the room prepared for that exposure.”

The Ebola virus is spread through contact with body fluids, such as those in blood, sweat, saliva or feces. While it is not an airborne virus like the flu, contaminated droplets can be released briefly into the air during procedures performed on infected patients, such as the insertion of a breathing tube. In that case, the C.D.C. recommends the use of air-purifying respirators.

In recent weeks, C.D.C. officials have said repeatedly that any hospital in the United States can safely provide care for a patient with Ebola by following their exacting infection-control procedures and isolating the patient in a private room with an unshared bathroom.

“What’s needed to fight Ebola is not fancy equipment,” Dr. Frieden said in a message posted during a Twitter chat with concerned members of the hospital staff. “What’s needed is standard infection control, rigorously applied.” {I'm certain you'll be right there to demonstrate, Dr. Frieden, changing bed pans, cleaning vomit off your patient, changing bloody dressings}

Nancy E. Foster, the vice president of quality and patient safety policy at the American Hospital Association, agreed that gloves, gown, face mask and eye protection are “perfectly fine” and called the C.D.C. guidance the “best advice.”

But Dr. Michael V. Callahan, an infectious disease specialist at Massachusetts General Hospital who has worked in Africa during Ebola outbreaks, does not think it is wrong for hospitals to opt for more protective equipment.

The minimal precautions recommended by the C.D.C. “led to the infection of my nurses and physician co-workers who came in contact with body fluids,” Dr. Callahan said. “I understand the desire to maintain absolute protection in U.S. hospitals.”

Dr. Justin Fairless, an emergency physician in Tulsa, Okla., said that health care workers in Africa “are wearing the highest level of protection, but the C.D.C. recommendation lets us go down to the lowest level of protection.”

Dr. Fairless is considering buying his own air-purifying respirator to pair with a head-to-toe coverall. “I am not comfortable going to see an Ebola patient wearing a paper mask that doesn’t cover my entire face,” he said.

He is hardly alone. In recent weeks, several hospital workers have expressed concerns, asking why head coverage is not necessary and suggesting their emergency department doctors would get hard-to-tear hooded suits.

Dr. David Kuhar, the health care and worker safety team leader for C.D.C.’s Ebola response, argued that caring for patients in Africa is “very different” from caring for those in a hospital in the United States. {and there's that "very different from Africa" meme, right on schedule}

“In a field setting, there may be many patient beds close together, as well as behind you,” he said. “It would be very difficult, or impossible, to predict when you may be exposed to infectious bodily fluids, so you might want equipment to cover your back and head, to protect your exposure.”

Yet until recently, the health care workers tending to Dr. Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol, the aid workers infected with Ebola in Liberia, were outfitted in head-to-toe protective suits at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta — which in no way resembles an African field hospital.

On Wednesday, Dr. Phyllis E. Kozarsky, a professor of medicine and infectious diseases at Emory, disclosed that the nurses had shed their full-body gear and were following “what C.D.C. guidance says for the management of these patients.” {the patients have probably cleared the virus and at the very least are now well enough not to be vomiting, bleeding, etc.}

High-tech protective gear may pose dangers of its own, experts noted. It may be difficult to remove a hood or respirator, for instance, without accidentally touching the wearer’s face or eyes, giving the virus an entry point.

Hospitals purchasing head-to-toe gear may find another unforeseen risk: cleaning it.

“It’s easier to grab a new disposable than to repeatedly clean the nooks and crannies of devices,” said Dr. Mark D. Rowland, medical director of epidemiology for St. Francis Health System in Tulsa.

What sort of protective equipment to wear, and who should wear it and when, is only one of the most pressing of dozens of logistical issues now facing hospitals. Already, triage nurses at some hospitals are asking emergency room patients about recent travel to Guinea and Sierra Leone.

Those with fevers or other suspicious symptoms probably do not have Ebola, said Dr. Melvin Weinstein, chief of infectious diseases at Rutgers Robert Wood Johnson Medical School. But now, he said, “we have had to think about how to transport blood specimen to the lab” and keeping technicians safe.

On Aug. 5, more than 5,400 health care professionals were called into a briefing about Ebola hosted by the C.D.C.

Hospital administrators and infection control specialists asked dozens of questions. Is the virus in breast milk or semen? (Yes to both.) Can the soiled linens of an Ebola patient be cleaned off-site without spreading the virus? (Unknown.)

In response, agency officials are scrambling to develop additional guidance on handling laundry, patient waste and the bodies of any American patients killed by Ebola.

“Just in case,” Dr. Kuhar said.
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PIXIE'S COMMENTARY, (one of her best!):


Question:

What is the reason for the new recommendation from CDC that those administering care to New Ebola patients "wear gloves, a fluid-resistant gown, eye protection and a face mask to prevent becoming infected with the virus"?

Answer:

1. Because there are not enough Tyvek suits in the world.

2. From a "risk communications" standpoint, presenting this virus as something requiring only "normal" infection control measures makes it appear far less "scary" for health care worker consumption. (Most HCWs are not reading PFI so CDC feels it has a chance to get away with this, at least for a while).

Reality:

The R0 for this New Ebola virus can be estimated to be around 8.

It's not a pretty disease and it's likely fatal.

The folks over at CDC are either:

1. Out of their minds. (Or beyond inept).

or

2. The CDC feels that the New Ebola will sweep America and that basic infection control will be, very quickly, all that can be practiced.

This is such a huge, huge issue.

CDC can either:

1. Attempt to "risk communicate" to health care workers that their risk is minimal and that only standard, normal, infection control protocols are needed while treating New Ebola patients in U.S. hospitals.

(This is indeed what they are doing).

or

2. CDC can order that mega-quantities of the proper PPE be produced on an emergency basis, thus tipping off the nation as to what CDC may expect will happen.


You can see which tactic CDC decided to take.

CDC is going to have an increasingly difficult time keeping its activities, it's internal voice-in-head thoughts, and its "risk communications" messaging, consistent.
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MY COMMENT: Gold Help Us! An Agency of the Executive has pretty much decided that our HCWs are to be Ebola Fodder, if the pandemic reaches our shores.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
What is the reason for the new recommendation from CDC that those administering care to New Ebola patients "wear gloves, a fluid-resistant gown, eye protection and a face mask to prevent becoming infected with the virus"?

And we know how well this basic level of infection control works in the hospital setting preventing the spread of infection. A hospital is one of the dirtiest places to be no matter how hard they try to keep everything clean. And not to mention that this is a level IV pathogen and not your run of the mill case of strep. Ebola is considered a prime candidate to be a biological weapon. Although I have little real medical training I do know a thing or two about operating in a nuclear, chemical or biological threat environment. Medical workers in the full PPE including the hooded moon suit isn't overkill. All it takes is one slip up, one mistake to potentially infect yourself or those you work around. I have no doubt the CDC is minimizing the risk for reasons already listed. If they hit the threat too hard then they'll spook those that might be called to attend these patients. Not to mention lack of equipment and supplies in the chain to provide for the surge in demand that is sure to come.
 
Even the New York Times is beginning to get it. ALL EYES ON NIGERIA. It is not hyperbole to say that the fate of the world might actually hang in the balance. Posted this morning by Pixie at the PFI Forum.


With Ebola Cases Still Few, Populous Nigeria Has Chance to Halt Its Outbreak

By DENISE GRADYAUG. 15, 2014
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/s...-nigeria-has-chance-to-halt-its-outbreak.html

Health workers have fought the Ebola outbreak to a tentative standstill in Nigeria, Africa’s most populous nation, offering at least a chance to eradicate the disease there before it spins out of control, as it has in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, where a sluggish response failed to halt it early.

Nigeria’s small number of cases — 11 confirmed and one suspected — provides a brief window in which to wipe out Ebola. If these efforts fail, the death toll could be horrific. The cases have occurred in Lagos, a city with 20 million people, many of them jammed into teeming slums where the virus could become unstoppable.

Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said health officials were watching Nigeria with intense interest, because of its huge population and because it is much more of a crossroads than the other three countries, in much closer touch with the rest of Africa.

“We’re waiting for the other shoe to drop,” he said.

The World Health Organization said on Thursday that staff members on the front lines of the outbreak across the region had warned that the nearly 2,000 reported cases and the more than 1,000 reported deaths “vastly underestimate the magnitude of the outbreak.” And Doctors Without Borders said on Friday that the disease was still spreading faster than the efforts of governments and health workers to keep up with it, calling ground conditions “like a war.”

About 200 people who had contact with the infected patients in Lagos are receiving daily visits from health workers for 21 days, the incubation period of the disease, to check for fever or other symptoms, said David Daigle, a spokesman for the team in Nigeria from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. So far, 61 have finished the follow-up and are in the clear, he said. About 60 Nigerian health workers have been trained to trace contacts, and more are being taught, to bring the total to 200, Mr. Daigle said.

Ebola arrived in Nigeria on July 20, carried by Patrick Sawyer, a native Liberian and naturalized American citizen. He contracted the disease in Liberia, flew to Lagos while he was ill and died on July 25. Health officials say he was vomiting during the flight.

Every case in Nigeria has been traced to him. Some victims had helped him when he arrived at the airport, and others were health workers who had treated him without gloves or other protection because they did not realize he had Ebola. President Goodluck Jonathan has been widely quoted in Nigerian newspapers as calling Mr. Sawyer “a madman.”

Four Nigerian patients have died, and the mood among the rest is somber, said Dr. Maurizio Barbeschi, a scientist from the World Health Organization who is working on the outbreak.

“They think it is a death sentence,” he said. But he said they were getting good care, and he doubted that their death rate would reach that of the other countries, where about 60 percent of the cases have been fatal in some locations.

Patients who are health workers are caring for others, helping with tasks like changing bags of intravenous medicines.

Last Saturday, Dr. Barbeschi said, he stepped outside the ward where patients are being treated and asked if anyone had a book so he could read to the patients. Mr. Daigle pulled a beat-up copy of Shakespeare’s “Henry IV” from his backpack.

Back inside, speaking through a surgical mask, Dr. Barbeschi acted out scenes from the play for a patient fighting for his life.

Nigeria has some advantages over other West African countries in dealing with the disease: It has a better health system, and it was on alert for Ebola because the illness had struck the other nations first. Doctors detected it there before a large number of people fell ill. Dr. Frieden said that it took too long to isolate the first person infected from contact, but that the ability to respond had improved tremendously.

But Lagos is a huge city. The outbreaks in the other countries have mostly struck villages and towns.

“An Ebola outbreak in a dense urban setting is very different from what we know already,” said Dr. Benjamin J. Park, an infection control specialist from the C.D.C. who is working on the outbreak in Lagos.

Health officials are using social media, among other channels, to get information to health workers in Lagos — a difficult task because the city has thousands of health facilities, including clinics and small hospitals, Dr. Park said.

Dr. Park has been training health workers in how to protect themselves around potentially infected patients. Everyone wants the white Tyvek suits that have been widely photographed, he said, but he tries to convince them that because the disease is spread only by bodily fluids, the suits are needed only when patients are very ill with symptoms like vomiting and diarrhea.

If used, they must be removed carefully to avoid contact with secretions that may have splashed on the outside. “I say: ‘Imagine that you’re covered with paint or mud. How are you going to take this off without getting any on your skin?’ ” Dr. Park said.

Recruiting health professionals to fight Ebola there has proved challenging. On Wednesday in Lagos, a Nigerian doctor who answered a government call said he was not very worried about the risks. But he declined to give his name because he feared reprisals from the state authorities for talking to the news media, and he said he worried that he would be stigmatized if others learned that he was involved with Ebola. Though the government was offering the equivalent of $185 a day, a substantial sum in Nigeria, only a dozen or so people answered the call that day.

A nurse who did respond said he hoped to work on the outbreak by day and continue his regular job at a private hospital by night. PIXIE{what could go wrong?} He also requested anonymity, for the same reasons as the doctor. Working at the private hospital was riskier than working on the outbreak , he said.

“Here, you already know the risk you are facing, but back at the hospital, it’s dangerous because you can’t treat every patient as an Ebola risk,” the nurse said. While working on the outbreak, he would at least be given training and kits with protective gear.

But he added, holding a Bible, “It’s God that protects, not the kits.”

MY COMMENT: Ah, but sometimes God's Plan makes one Grist for the Mill.
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Woolly

Veteran Member
Even the New York Times is beginning to get it. ALL EYES ON NIGERIA. It is not hyperbole to say that the fate of the world might actually hang in the balance. Posted this morning by Pixie at the PFI Forum.


With Ebola Cases Still Few, Populous Nigeria Has Chance to Halt Its Outbreak

By DENISE GRADYAUG. 15, 2014
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/s...-nigeria-has-chance-to-halt-its-outbreak.html

Health workers have fought the Ebola outbreak to a tentative standstill in Nigeria, Africa’s most populous nation, offering at least a chance to eradicate the disease there before it spins out of control, as it has in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, where a sluggish response failed to halt it early.

Nigeria’s small number of cases — 11 confirmed and one suspected — provides a brief window in which to wipe out Ebola. If these efforts fail, the death toll could be horrific. The cases have occurred in Lagos, a city with 20 million people, many of them jammed into teeming slums where the virus could become unstoppable.

Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said health officials were watching Nigeria with intense interest, because of its huge population and because it is much more of a crossroads than the other three countries, in much closer touch with the rest of Africa.

“We’re waiting for the other shoe to drop,” he said.

The World Health Organization said on Thursday that staff members on the front lines of the outbreak across the region had warned that the nearly 2,000 reported cases and the more than 1,000 reported deaths “vastly underestimate the magnitude of the outbreak.” And Doctors Without Borders said on Friday that the disease was still spreading faster than the efforts of governments and health workers to keep up with it, calling ground conditions “like a war.”

About 200 people who had contact with the infected patients in Lagos are receiving daily visits from health workers for 21 days, the incubation period of the disease, to check for fever or other symptoms, said David Daigle, a spokesman for the team in Nigeria from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. So far, 61 have finished the follow-up and are in the clear, he said. About 60 Nigerian health workers have been trained to trace contacts, and more are being taught, to bring the total to 200, Mr. Daigle said.

Ebola arrived in Nigeria on July 20, carried by Patrick Sawyer, a native Liberian and naturalized American citizen. He contracted the disease in Liberia, flew to Lagos while he was ill and died on July 25. Health officials say he was vomiting during the flight.

Every case in Nigeria has been traced to him. Some victims had helped him when he arrived at the airport, and others were health workers who had treated him without gloves or other protection because they did not realize he had Ebola. President Goodluck Jonathan has been widely quoted in Nigerian newspapers as calling Mr. Sawyer “a madman.”

Four Nigerian patients have died, and the mood among the rest is somber, said Dr. Maurizio Barbeschi, a scientist from the World Health Organization who is working on the outbreak.

“They think it is a death sentence,” he said. But he said they were getting good care, and he doubted that their death rate would reach that of the other countries, where about 60 percent of the cases have been fatal in some locations.

Patients who are health workers are caring for others, helping with tasks like changing bags of intravenous medicines.

Last Saturday, Dr. Barbeschi said, he stepped outside the ward where patients are being treated and asked if anyone had a book so he could read to the patients. Mr. Daigle pulled a beat-up copy of Shakespeare’s “Henry IV” from his backpack.

Back inside, speaking through a surgical mask, Dr. Barbeschi acted out scenes from the play for a patient fighting for his life.

Nigeria has some advantages over other West African countries in dealing with the disease: It has a better health system, and it was on alert for Ebola because the illness had struck the other nations first. Doctors detected it there before a large number of people fell ill. Dr. Frieden said that it took too long to isolate the first person infected from contact, but that the ability to respond had improved tremendously.

But Lagos is a huge city. The outbreaks in the other countries have mostly struck villages and towns.

“An Ebola outbreak in a dense urban setting is very different from what we know already,” said Dr. Benjamin J. Park, an infection control specialist from the C.D.C. who is working on the outbreak in Lagos.

Health officials are using social media, among other channels, to get information to health workers in Lagos — a difficult task because the city has thousands of health facilities, including clinics and small hospitals, Dr. Park said.

Dr. Park has been training health workers in how to protect themselves around potentially infected patients. Everyone wants the white Tyvek suits that have been widely photographed, he said, but he tries to convince them that because the disease is spread only by bodily fluids, the suits are needed only when patients are very ill with symptoms like vomiting and diarrhea.

If used, they must be removed carefully to avoid contact with secretions that may have splashed on the outside. “I say: ‘Imagine that you’re covered with paint or mud. How are you going to take this off without getting any on your skin?’ ” Dr. Park said.

Recruiting health professionals to fight Ebola there has proved challenging. On Wednesday in Lagos, a Nigerian doctor who answered a government call said he was not very worried about the risks. But he declined to give his name because he feared reprisals from the state authorities for talking to the news media, and he said he worried that he would be stigmatized if others learned that he was involved with Ebola. Though the government was offering the equivalent of $185 a day, a substantial sum in Nigeria, only a dozen or so people answered the call that day.

A nurse who did respond said he hoped to work on the outbreak by day and continue his regular job at a private hospital by night. PIXIE{what could go wrong?} He also requested anonymity, for the same reasons as the doctor. Working at the private hospital was riskier than working on the outbreak , he said.

“Here, you already know the risk you are facing, but back at the hospital, it’s dangerous because you can’t treat every patient as an Ebola risk,” the nurse said. While working on the outbreak, he would at least be given training and kits with protective gear.

But he added, holding a Bible, “It’s God that protects, not the kits.”

MY COMMENT: Ah, but sometimes God's Plan makes one Grist for the Mill.
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As reported elsewhere, the "kits" are in short supply, as is all of the equipment that might aid in controlling this outbreak of Ebola. To the end of assisting in filling the gap in supplies, I made a $500, substantial for us, contribution to Samaritan's Purse's West Africa program. The word here, and elsewhere, is that the epidemic is already "out of control". The NGOs cannot sustain this fight on their own, and the governments of the world seem to be asleep at the switch.

This can only end badly unless the folks on the front line in this fight receive significant reinforcements, and quickly. The efforts to control the Ebola outbreak will collapse within weeks, if not days unless help arrives.

I'm worried,

Woolly
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
The folks over at CDC are either:

1. Out of their minds. (Or beyond inept).

or

2. The CDC feels that the New Ebola will sweep America and that basic infection control will be, very quickly, all that can be practiced.

the FACT that they -even now - refuse to "suggest" that airlines be grounded at least between the Old World and the New World, demonstrates their own:

lack of understanding

or

complicity in the spread of the disease.

frankly, i'll go with complicity.
 
That situation in Kwara State, Nigeria will soon be clarified, (maybe). Posted by AndyM at the PFI Forum.


Baby with Ebola symptoms dies in Ilorin
http://www.dailytrust.com.ng/weekly/index.php/new-news/17378-baby-with-ebola-symptoms-dies-in-ilorin


The seven-month-old baby who was being investigated for suspected Ebola infection in Kwara State has died, Weekly Trust learnt yesterday.

The baby girl reportedly followed her mother from Ibadan to Ilorin when she fell ill and was admitted at Surulere Clinic where she was treated for malaria for three days.

Following the deterioration of her condition, the child was referred to a private hospital where a pediatrician discovered symptoms of malaria and made a report to the ministry of health.

It is recalled that the chairman of the state Ebola committee and senior special assistant to Governor Abdulfatah Ahmed on primary health, Prof. Sunday Opabola, told newsmen on Thursday that blood samples of the baby and her mother were sent to Lagos for test.

Opabola, who is a professor of public health, had urged the public not to panic, saying the test was being done in order not to take chances because of the Ebola outbreak in the country.

Speaking with Weekly Trust yesterday, senior special assistant to the governor on secondary health and a member of the Ebola committee, Dr. Ibrahim Gambari, confirmed the death of the baby, but added that she was not likely to have died of Ebola.

The test of the result in Lagos is being expected on Monday, while the child’s mother remains at an isolation centre, according to the governor’s aide.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Hospitals in the U.S. Get Ready for Ebola

By CATHERINE SAINT LOUISAUG. 15, 2014
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/he...bola.html?_r=0


The Ebola virus is spread through contact with body fluids, such as those in blood, sweat, saliva or feces. While it is not an airborne virus like the flu, contaminated droplets can be released briefly into the air during procedures performed on infected patients, such as the insertion of a breathing tube. In that case, the C.D.C. recommends the use of air-purifying respirators.

CDC is pretending that droplets of ebola laden bodily fluids will only be around in the air during intubation or other "procedures performed on patients". They know the truth but aren't saying it, that ebola patients can also cough, sneeze, projectile vomit, have explosive diarrhea and so on and so forth and all these will put droplets into the air and all over surrounding surfaces and any HCW who are caring for these patients. Plus the HCW cleaning up the huge messes will further spread droplets all over the environment and people doing the work.

Doesn't the CDC have any foresight at all? By pretending that HCW won't get sick and die by being non-protected, they are guaranteeing that it will happen. What will their message be then? "Oops, we're sorry"?

This is just about the worst thing I've ever seen to come from the CDC.
 

SheWoff

Southern by choice
" double gloving might also be needed. " WTF? I double glove anyways due to holes in the gloves more times than not. I'd be triple gloving with that stuff!!!


She
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
CDC is pretending that droplets of ebola laden bodily fluids will only be around in the air during intubation or other "procedures performed on patients". They know the truth but aren't saying it, that ebola patients can also cough, sneeze, projectile vomit, have explosive diarrhea and so on and so forth and all these will put droplets into the air and all over surrounding surfaces and any HCW who are caring for these patients. Plus the HCW cleaning up the huge messes will further spread droplets all over the environment and people doing the work.

Doesn't the CDC have any foresight at all? By pretending that HCW won't get sick and die by being non-protected, they are guaranteeing that it will happen. What will their message be then? "Oops, we're sorry"?

This is just about the worst thing I've ever seen to come from the CDC.

Just gives those of us who are switched on more time to prepare, when the sheeple awaken they'll stampede and strip the pharmacies and grocery stores like a plague of locusts
 

Be Well

may all be well
the FACT that they -even now - refuse to "suggest" that airlines be grounded at least between the Old World and the New World, demonstrates their own:

lack of understanding

or

complicity in the spread of the disease.

frankly, i'll go with complicity.

I don't think it's either. I think they want to cover their a**es by giving varied and conflicting messages, keep people soothed so the economy (such as it is) keeps rolling along, hoping against hope that by some miracle ebola won't get here and do its ebola thang, and some probably believe their own lies. The ones who don't believe their own lies know that if their hopes and dreams and wishes are shattered and we have massive ebola infections here and of course massive deaths, maybe they hope in the chaos they can retire to spend time with their family. Who knows. I do not think the CDC wants population destruction. They want their nice cushy jobs and be Important and make Pronouncements and bank a lot of money and make connects in the pharma industry and maybe get cushy jobs at Merck later on (as the last head of the CDC did when a new one was appointed). If the health care system collapses and there are huge numbers of HCWs infected and dying, this will not make the CDC look good. They also follow lockstep the line of the WHO, which is being run by Margaret Chan, a communist Chinese agent. That should never be forgotten.

They're just pinning their hopes on unicorns and the possibility of retiring early and maybe living in a vacation home in another country when the dust settles.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Just gives those of us who are switched on more time to prepare, when the sheeple awaken they'll stampede and strip the pharmacies and grocery stores like a plague of locusts

Oddly enough I got an Amazon message (I get them here and there since I do a fair amount of shopping there, most of the paltry shopping I do is on Amazon, usually once a month something) that some kind of N100 masks were on sale.

I've never bought masks on Amazon. I do buy herb books, maybe their key words include herbs in their ad info mining. I thought that was very interesting. Maybe I should buy some, got old N95 but they are not good enough for ebola. Even N100 isn't enough, everything needs to be covered, but if I absolutely had to go out and ebola was around, I'd rather have an N100 than 95. And fit is everything, most masks I've used have totally crappy fit and anything can get in the sides.
 

Be Well

may all be well
As reported elsewhere, the "kits" are in short supply, as is all of the equipment that might aid in controlling this outbreak of Ebola. To the end of assisting in filling the gap in supplies, I made a $500, substantial for us, contribution to Samaritan's Purse's West Africa program. The word here, and elsewhere, is that the epidemic is already "out of control". The NGOs cannot sustain this fight on their own, and the governments of the world seem to be asleep at the switch.

This can only end badly unless the folks on the front line in this fight receive significant reinforcements, and quickly. The efforts to control the Ebola outbreak will collapse within weeks, if not days unless help arrives.

I'm worried,

Woolly

And as Ken Isaacs said in his testimony to Congress, "if we don't fight it there, we'll have to fight it here" or words to that effect.
 

Be Well

may all be well
What is the reason for the new recommendation from CDC that those administering care to New Ebola patients "wear gloves, a fluid-resistant gown, eye protection and a face mask to prevent becoming infected with the virus"?

And we know how well this basic level of infection control works in the hospital setting preventing the spread of infection. A hospital is one of the dirtiest places to be no matter how hard they try to keep everything clean. And not to mention that this is a level IV pathogen and not your run of the mill case of strep. Ebola is considered a prime candidate to be a biological weapon. Although I have little real medical training I do know a thing or two about operating in a nuclear, chemical or biological threat environment. Medical workers in the full PPE including the hooded moon suit isn't overkill. All it takes is one slip up, one mistake to potentially infect yourself or those you work around. I have no doubt the CDC is minimizing the risk for reasons already listed. If they hit the threat too hard then they'll spook those that might be called to attend these patients. Not to mention lack of equipment and supplies in the chain to provide for the surge in demand that is sure to come.

Ken Isaacs said in his testimony that if a HCW has one millimeter of exposed skin they will get ebola and likely die.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
_______________
If I thought I might be attempting to nurse someone back to health from Ebola, I'd be wearing a welders' face mask with a N-100 under it.

Summerthyme
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
Oddly enough I got an Amazon message (I get them here and there since I do a fair amount of shopping there, most of the paltry shopping I do is on Amazon, usually once a month something) that some kind of N100 masks were on sale.

I've never bought masks on Amazon. I do buy herb books, maybe their key words include herbs in their ad info mining. I thought that was very interesting. Maybe I should buy some, got old N95 but they are not good enough for ebola. Even N100 isn't enough, everything needs to be covered, but if I absolutely had to go out and ebola was around, I'd rather have an N100 than 95. And fit is everything, most masks I've used have totally crappy fit and anything can get in the sides.

That's why i stick with NBC gear, the British army S10 respirator comes in 5 different sizes with a fully adjustable harness
 
Before I forget... Can we get the old, locked ebola threads moved to the Infectious Disease Forum for ease of information location? Thanks.



Countrymouse posted this one yesterday.....

From the PFI Forum:

THREAT OF EBOLA OUTBREAK HIGHEST AT BIG US AIRPORTS, HEALTH ALLIANCE SAYS

NEWS LAST MODIFIED ON AUGUST 15, 2014
http://www.airport-world.com/news/ge...nce-says.html?

A non-profit organization has developed global maps using airline flight route data to calculate and predict the potential arrival of Ebola hemorrhagic fever virus from infected travellers in West Africa.

The EcoHealth Alliance has collected data from flight schedules from infected countries Liberia, Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Nigerian, along with data from Morocco, and Ghana, and found the highest risk countries for the Ebola outbreak in West Africa, are the US and much of Europe.

EcoHealth Alliance's modeling team says New York's JFK International Airport, Washington Dulles International Airport, Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, Houston's George Bush Intercontinental Airport and Boston Logan International Airport are at highest risk - as they are the top US airports with direct flight arrivals from the region.

<snip>

The global maps prepared by EcoHealth Alliance scientists explain how Ebola may spread via international flight routes, and the alliance says other countries most at risk include the UK, Netherlands, Germany, France, Switzerland, Denmark, Portugal, Austria, Ireland, Italy, Spain, Senegal, Ghana, Gambia, Israel, UAE, Qatar, and Japan.

<snip>


http://www.singtomeohmuse.com/viewto...3594f4c1589324


Maybe I'm just not seeing it, but why isn't China on that list? Isn't China all over Africa building things, buying and scooping up resources?
 

summerthyme

Administrator
_______________
A week or more ago, China basically announced that they weren't letting anyone into the country who had come from West Africa. Smart government...

Summerthyme
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
the FACT that they -even now - refuse to "suggest" that airlines be grounded at least between the Old World and the New World, demonstrates their own:

lack of understanding

or

complicity in the spread of the disease.

frankly, i'll go with complicity.

I don't think it's either. I think they want to cover their a**es by giving varied and conflicting messages, keep people soothed so the economy (such as it is) keeps rolling along, hoping against hope that by some miracle ebola won't get here and do its ebola thang, and some probably believe their own lies. The ones who don't believe their own lies know that if their hopes and dreams and wishes are shattered and we have massive ebola infections here and of course massive deaths, maybe they hope in the chaos they can retire to spend time with their family. Who knows. I do not think the CDC wants population destruction. They want their nice cushy jobs and be Important and make Pronouncements and bank a lot of money and make connects in the pharma industry and maybe get cushy jobs at Merck later on (as the last head of the CDC did when a new one was appointed). If the health care system collapses and there are huge numbers of HCWs infected and dying, this will not make the CDC look good. They also follow lockstep the line of the WHO, which is being run by Margaret Chan, a communist Chinese agent. That should never be forgotten.

They're just pinning their hopes on unicorns and the possibility of retiring early and maybe living in a vacation home in another country when the dust settles.

i think your own observation, bolded above, supports my original contention. if an agent of an avowed enemy of the US is in charge of the international agency that decides how best to "protect the world", don't you think there might be possibility of their leaving a hole of vulnerability large enough to fly a fleet of 747s - carrying unsuspecting ebola carriers - through to the USA?
 
i think your own observation, bolded above, supports my original contention. if an agent of an avowed enemy of the US is in charge of the international agency that decides how best to "protect the world", don't you think there might be possibility of their leaving a hole of vulnerability large enough to fly a fleet of 747s - carrying unsuspecting ebola carriers - through to the USA?

This was posted by Monotreme, (PFI's resident virologist and moderator), yesterday at the PFI Forum. It is quite instructive. Again, Margaret Chan was installed after the previous director of WHO died suddenly at a podium while speaking.

Monotreme Comments:
The articles are no longer available, but below are some excerpts from The Standard, a Hong Kong newspaper which were published around the time Margaret Chan became Director- General of the WHO:

From The Standard, November 4, 2006:

Beijing Friday threw in another heavyweight to support Hong Kong’s former director of health Margaret Chan Fung Fu-chun in what has become a high profile race for the top post in the World Health Organization.

“We fully support her, we have set up a campaign team. We hope she will succeed,” vice premier Wu Yi said Friday before attending the two-day China-Africa summit in Beijing.

From The Standard, November 9, 2006

Former Hong Kong director of health Margaret Chan Fung Fu-chun, with the powerful backing of China, was Wednesday nominated to head the World Health Organization.

[snip]

China also hosted an unprecedented two-day summit with 48 African nations in Beijing. China has canceled debts amounting to US$1.3 billion (HK$10.1 billion) incurred by 31 heavily indebted countries in Africa, and has given zero-tariff treatment to 190 categories of import commodities from 29 African countries.

China’s ambassador to the UN agency in Geneva, Sha Zukang, earlier denied allegations the selection process had been influenced by “vote buying.”
___
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Napoleon said, "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence." The WHO, the CDC etc are 99 point five percent POLITICAL CREATURES. They do have a health mandate, but their primary goal is both political and economic. They are designed to prevent panic, give information that the sheeple will accept as gospel; finally, maintain the consumer spending that is 70 percent of the total American economy.

Government employees are by definition people who value job security over a job challenge, or lots of money. The WHO and CDC have been TOLD to keep the panic down. The mere fact they have admitted any possible concern tells me that a few of their employees are questioning the political and economic missions in light of Ebola's medical reality. We have often seen the case where a few whistleblowers, like in the VA, break ranks.

The WHO and the CDC are exactly the same type of government blob agency like the VA. The VA scandal is a definitive example of how ALL government blobs think. WHO and the CDC are mission essential to maintain their clout, as well as prevent panic. The problem for the entire system is when, not if, when Ebola goes global pandemic the fact they have lied to us will shatter their authority base. At that point, nobody will listen to anything they say at all. The current limit on aseptic technique to not take into account Ebola's virulence is a criminal act. They have been ordered by their masters to keep the lid on to prevent the collapse of the back to school shopping cycle in my opinion.

The premature, optimistic statements from the Nigerian health authorities are not to be taken seriously. The same authorities who botched the containment and monitoring process for Ebola are now the same ones saying it is "contained" in Nigeria? ROTFLMAO

Suffice it to say, it is much too early to make asinine statements like Nigeria has Ebola under control. Nigeria only "monitored" the first 15 people Mr. Sawyer came into contact with. Every single one of them is either dead or confirmed Ebola positive. This means the other 177, again they now say this is ALL of the exposed people, weren't dealt with for several days. 21 people are being monitored for being exposed to the ONE nurse who took a freaking cab to that city. She went to a wedding and exposed how many dozens of people there? Where are they now? How many other people did they expose? Did the cab driver expose every single person he drove in his cab for several days? How many people did they expose. Sorry, gang, but given those questions it is a CRIMINAL ACT to even imply Nigeria has "contained" the Ebola virus. They most certainly have not, repeat have not, done so. We will have no idea whether they have for at least another two to three weeks.
 
This was posted by Monotreme, (PFI's resident virologist and moderator), yesterday at the PFI Forum. It is quite instructive. Again, Margaret Chan was installed after the previous director of WHO died suddenly at a podium while speaking.

Monotreme Comments:
The articles are no longer available, but below are some excerpts from The Standard, a Hong Kong newspaper which were published around the time Margaret Chan became Director- General of the WHO:

From The Standard, November 4, 2006:

Beijing Friday threw in another heavyweight to support Hong Kong’s former director of health Margaret Chan Fung Fu-chun in what has become a high profile race for the top post in the World Health Organization.

“We fully support her, we have set up a campaign team. We hope she will succeed,” vice premier Wu Yi said Friday before attending the two-day China-Africa summit in Beijing.

From The Standard, November 9, 2006

Former Hong Kong director of health Margaret Chan Fung Fu-chun, with the powerful backing of China, was Wednesday nominated to head the World Health Organization.

[snip]

China also hosted an unprecedented two-day summit with 48 African nations in Beijing. China has canceled debts amounting to US$1.3 billion (HK$10.1 billion) incurred by 31 heavily indebted countries in Africa, and has given zero-tariff treatment to 190 categories of import commodities from 29 African countries.

China’s ambassador to the UN agency in Geneva, Sha Zukang, earlier denied allegations the selection process had been influenced by “vote buying.”
___

And finally there is this, also posted by Monotreme yesterday at the PFI Forum.

Monotreme Comments:
Worth bumping given Margaret Chan's role in another genocide.

Here's an interesting paper that may refresh some memories

The making of a Chinese head of the WHO: a study of the media discourse on Margaret Chan's contest for the WHO director-generalship and its implications for the collective memory of SARS.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19771957
Yin CW1, Yun MS.

Abstract
In 2003, Margaret Chan Fung Fu-chun, former Director of Health of the Hong Kong government, was criticized for her unsatisfactory performance in handling the SARS outbreak. But three years later, she was celebrated for her success in the contest for the WHO director-generalship. How was she transformed from an incompetent official into an "honor winner" for China and Hong Kong? In what context was this made possible? How was the collective memory about Chan recalled and reconstructed? This article tackles these questions by reviewing relevant reportage and commentary in major local (Hong Kong), national (China), and international media. It maps the political context of the media discourse and explores the construction of a collective past to foster national cohesion in postcolonial Hong Kong.
_________________
 

Be Well

may all be well
i think your own observation, bolded above, supports my original contention. if an agent of an avowed enemy of the US is in charge of the international agency that decides how best to "protect the world", don't you think there might be possibility of their leaving a hole of vulnerability large enough to fly a fleet of 747s - carrying unsuspecting ebola carriers - through to the USA?

Absolutely. The US is being run by people who either hate the US and want to destroy it - ahem, "transform it" - or are thugs who want money and power for themselves without the ideological part, or cowards.

That about sums it up.

I know there are good men and women in the fedgov but they feel helpless, and if they try to fix things, they are threatened or worse.
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
Napoleon said, "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence." The WHO, the CDC etc are 99 point five percent POLITICAL CREATURES. They do have a health mandate, but their primary goal is both political and economic. They are designed to prevent panic, give information that the sheeple will accept as gospel; finally, maintain the consumer spending that is 70 percent of the total American economy.

Government employees are by definition people who value job security over a job challenge, or lots of money. The WHO and CDC have been TOLD to keep the panic down. The mere fact they have admitted any possible concern tells me that a few of their employees are questioning the political and economic missions in light of Ebola's medical reality. We have often seen the case where a few whistleblowers, like in the VA, break ranks.

The WHO and the CDC are exactly the same type of government blob agency like the VA. The VA scandal is a definitive example of how ALL government blobs think. WHO and the CDC are mission essential to maintain their clout, as well as prevent panic. The problem for the entire system is when, not if, when Ebola goes global pandemic the fact they have lied to us will shatter their authority base. At that point, nobody will listen to anything they say at all. The current limit on aseptic technique to not take into account Ebola's virulence is a criminal act. They have been ordered by their masters to keep the lid on to prevent the collapse of the back to school shopping cycle in my opinion.

The premature, optimistic statements from the Nigerian health authorities are not to be taken seriously. The same authorities who botched the containment and monitoring process for Ebola are now the same ones saying it is "contained" in Nigeria? ROTFLMAO

Suffice it to say, it is much too early to make asinine statements like Nigeria has Ebola under control. Nigeria only "monitored" the first 15 people Mr. Sawyer came into contact with. Every single one of them is either dead or confirmed Ebola positive. This means the other 177, again they now say this is ALL of the exposed people, weren't dealt with for several days. 21 people are being monitored for being exposed to the ONE nurse who took a freaking cab to that city. She went to a wedding and exposed how many dozens of people there? Where are they now? How many other people did they expose? Did the cab driver expose every single person he drove in his cab for several days? How many people did they expose. Sorry, gang, but given those questions it is a CRIMINAL ACT to even imply Nigeria has "contained" the Ebola virus. They most certainly have not, repeat have not, done so. We will have no idea whether they have for at least another two to three weeks.

This is the same Nigerian government that said it had Boko Haram contained, which also brings up the point, can imagine what's going to happen when those Boko Haram ****s get hold of some infected people, they'll be brewing up a storm,
 

Possible Impact

TB Fanatic
Before I forget... Can we get the old, locked ebola threads moved to the Infectious Disease Forum for ease of information location? Thanks.



Countrymouse posted this one yesterday.....




Maybe I'm just not seeing it, but why isn't China on that list? Isn't China all over Africa building things, buying and scooping up resources?


How Erik Prince, Founder Of Blackwater, Will Help China Subjugate Africa
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...f-Blackwater-Will-Help-China-Subjugate-Africa



DVN shares surge as former Blackwater owner named chairman
http://www.scmp.com/business/compan...-surge-former-blackwater-owner-named-chairman



We Created A Monster:
Ex-Blackwater CEO Erik Prince Is Going Neocolonial With China

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamespo...eo-erik-prince-africa-neocolonial-with-china/
Prince himself is clear about what sent him packing. Though the ordeal
of falling out with the federal government was intense — Prince claims
he was the top target of IRS auditors — that’s all in the past. It’s America’s
future that has Prince turning to China. “”I would rather deal with the
vagaries of investing in Africa,” he told the Journal, “than in figuring out
what the hell else Washington is going to do to the entrepreneur next.”

While America has lost its stomach for massive adventures, China “has the
appetite to take frontier risk, that expeditionary risk of going to those
less-certain, less-normal markets and figuring out how to make it happen.”

 
Doomer Doug,

There is malice in the world. And there is none more malicious than the Peoples Republic of China today. They are in a very tight corner. And their chance to grab the brass ring of world dominance is slipping away from them. There is a major political shakeup going on in China right now that coincides with very high tensions in the China Seas along with an accelerating downdraft in their export driven economy.

So in this instance I would be very careful not to exclude that this will be the exception that proves the rule. And that malice wins out here over incompetence and grifting.

There may very well be double culpability here in regards to China engineering this outbreak and spread: a New Ebola that springs up hundreds of miles from the Old Ebola's stomping grounds along with an incompetent and bought and paid for Director General of WHO from China.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Napoleon said, "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence." The WHO, the CDC etc are 99 point five percent POLITICAL CREATURES. They do have a health mandate, but their primary goal is both political and economic. They are designed to prevent panic, give information that the sheeple will accept as gospel; finally, maintain the consumer spending that is 70 percent of the total American economy.

Government employees are by definition people who value job security over a job challenge, or lots of money. The WHO and CDC have been TOLD to keep the panic down. The mere fact they have admitted any possible concern tells me that a few of their employees are questioning the political and economic missions in light of Ebola's medical reality. We have often seen the case where a few whistleblowers, like in the VA, break ranks.

The WHO and the CDC are exactly the same type of government blob agency like the VA. The VA scandal is a definitive example of how ALL government blobs think. WHO and the CDC are mission essential to maintain their clout, as well as prevent panic. The problem for the entire system is when, not if, when Ebola goes global pandemic the fact they have lied to us will shatter their authority base. At that point, nobody will listen to anything they say at all. The current limit on aseptic technique to not take into account Ebola's virulence is a criminal act. They have been ordered by their masters to keep the lid on to prevent the collapse of the back to school shopping cycle in my opinion.

The premature, optimistic statements from the Nigerian health authorities are not to be taken seriously. The same authorities who botched the containment and monitoring process for Ebola are now the same ones saying it is "contained" in Nigeria? ROTFLMAO

Suffice it to say, it is much too early to make asinine statements like Nigeria has Ebola under control. Nigeria only "monitored" the first 15 people Mr. Sawyer came into contact with. Every single one of them is either dead or confirmed Ebola positive. This means the other 177, again they now say this is ALL of the exposed people, weren't dealt with for several days. 21 people are being monitored for being exposed to the ONE nurse who took a freaking cab to that city. She went to a wedding and exposed how many dozens of people there? Where are they now? How many other people did they expose? Did the cab driver expose every single person he drove in his cab for several days? How many people did they expose. Sorry, gang, but given those questions it is a CRIMINAL ACT to even imply Nigeria has "contained" the Ebola virus. They most certainly have not, repeat have not, done so. We will have no idea whether they have for at least another two to three weeks.

Sounds correct in every way.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Doomer Doug,

There is malice in the world. And there is none more malicious than the Peoples Republic of China today. They are in a very tight corner. And their chance to grab the brass ring of world dominance is slipping away from them. There is a major political shakeup going on in China right now that coincides with very high tensions in the China Seas and with a accelerating downdraft in the export driven economy.

So in this instance I would be very careful not to exclude this will be the exception that proves the rule. And malice wins out over incompetence and grifting.

There may very well be double culpability here in regards to China engineering this outbreak and spread: a New Ebola that springs up hundreds of miles from the Old Ebola's stomping grounds along with an incompetent and bought and paid for Director General of WHO from China.

And those West African countries have much natural resources.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Boko may already be in play regarding the Ebola virus. There have been at least two "credible" reports related to potential Ebola cases outside of Lagos. One of them I believe was in a northern Nigerian city. Boko also moves freely over the borders of several countries that border Nigeria, like Mali and to the west also. This means they could already have access to live Ebola virus from infected people who are fleeing West Africa.

Doomer Doug does not, repeat does not, rule out Boko terror types using Ebloa as part of their Jihad. While I have not seen any indication this is what is now going on, I do not rule it out in the future.

I am keeping an eye on Northern Nigeria for potential Ebola cases.

Isn't it Mao who said that he could lose "200 million Chinese in a war and not even notice?"
 

Be Well

may all be well
We Created A Monster:
Ex-Blackwater CEO Erik Prince Is Going Neocolonial With China
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamespou...al-with-china/
Prince himself is clear about what sent him packing. Though the ordeal
of falling out with the federal government was intense — Prince claims
he was the top target of IRS auditors — that’s all in the past. It’s America’s
future that has Prince turning to China. “”I would rather deal with the
vagaries of investing in Africa,” he told the Journal, “than in figuring out
what the hell else Washington is going to do to the entrepreneur next.”

While America has lost its stomach for massive adventures, China “has the
appetite to take frontier risk, that expeditionary risk of going to those
less-certain, less-normal markets and figuring out how to make it happen.”

Well, I don't think anyone can blame any other entity for Prince choosing to side with China, if he chooses to do that, it's on his own head. And it looks as though China may be "making it happen" as we speak.
 

Be Well

may all be well
This is the same Nigerian government that said it had Boko Haram contained, which also brings up the point, can imagine what's going to happen when those Boko Haram ****s get hold of some infected people, they'll be brewing up a storm,

Hopefully they will infect themselves!
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Chocolate!

:vik:

I am thinking since West Africa provides up to 75 percent of global production for cocoa used in candy bars etc, the major impact on the west, assuming we don't get a global pandemic out of Nigeria, is M and M's may cost $5 a small package within a few weeks to months!

No more cocoa is definitely an end of the world as we know it scenario!
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
Boko may already be in play regarding the Ebola virus. There have been at least two "credible" reports related to potential Ebola cases outside of Lagos. One of them I believe was in a northern Nigerian city. Boko also moves freely over the borders of several countries that border Nigeria, like Mali and to the west also. This means they could already have access to live Ebola virus from infected people who are fleeing West Africa.

Doomer Doug does not, repeat does not, rule out Boko terror types using Ebloa as part of their Jihad. While I have not seen any indication this is what is now going on, I do not rule it out in the future.

I am keeping an eye on Northern Nigeria for potential Ebola cases.

Isn't it Mao who said that he could lose "200 million Chinese in a war and not even notice?"

Didn't Boko just kidnap a load of villagers the other day
Yep found it http://m.rte.ie/news/touch/2014/0815/637353-boko-haram/
100 men & boys, perfect for cooking up some infected blood,
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpr...ke-despite-ebola-crisis-death-toll-hits-1145/

Defenseless: Outrage in Nigeria as government fires 16,000 doctors on strike despite Ebola crisis – death toll hits 1,145
Posted on August 16, 2014

ugust 2014 – AFRICA – The death toll from the worst ever Ebola outbreak has risen to 1, 145, the World Health Organization said on Friday, as 76 more cases were reported from August 11 to August 13, 2014. The U.N. health agency said that a total of 152 confirmed, probable, and suspected cases of the deadly hemorrhagic fever were reported from countries in West Africa, bringing the total number of cases up to 2127.
Nigeria defenseless- A death sentence? The growing spread of the Ebola virus in Nigeria remains serious enough to keep the nation in an official state of emergency, with thousands concerned that the virus will spread like it has in other West African nations. In what many are calling a massive failure of optics, however, the Nigerian government has chosen to fire up to 16,000 doctors due to an unrelated medical employee strike. In a memorandum to the Nigerian Health Ministry, the Permanent Secretary for Federal Ministry of Health L.N. Awute announced that Nigeria would suspend its medical residency program and terminate the jobs of the resident doctors. The order, which cites President Goodluck Jonathan as its unilateral source, also “asked the management of all public hospitals to take necessary measures to restore full medical services in the hospitals, even without the resident doctors.” The termination follows a month of strikes by doctors of the Nigerian Medical Association, who began striking on July 1st, demanding better wages and hours. The number of doctors affected by President Jonathan’s directive, Sky News reports, is about 16,000. The Premium Times followed up the news with a response from the Nigerian government, which is currently facing significant outrage from citizens frightened of the potential of an Ebola epidemic striking a country that just lost thousands of its doctors. In a statement, the Ministry of Health noted, “For the whole of July 2014, these doctors did not work, yet government, owing to the emergency situation in our country, paid them the July salaries with allowances such as call duty allowance, teaching allowance, hazard allowance, etc., believing that this magnanimity of government would appeal to reason for NMA to call off the strike.”

The emphasis on the doctors not working appears to be in direct reaction to the criticism from those concerned about Ebola: these doctors are not being taken away from the front lines against the virus because they have not been working since before the virus entered Nigeria through Patrick Sawyer, a Liberian-American official who died in Lagos, Nigeria, shortly after landing from Liberia. Nigeria currently has eleven confirmed cases of Ebola, mostly medical workers who interacted with Sawyer. The presence of Ebola in Lagos, a city of 21 million people, has caused significant alarm among those who fear an outbreak in an urban area. While Liberia’s capital, Monrovia, has seen a high number of cases, it is the exception, with most Ebola-stricken communities in rural areas of Sierra Leone and Guinea. Al Jazeera notes that, in addition to the Nigerian Medical Association calling for an immediate reversal of Jonathan’s proposal, individual Nigerians are lashing out on social media, calling the move “death sentences in disguise,” with some even indicting the doctors for choosing to strike amid a crisis. –Breitbart
 

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may all be well
Maybe not, how much damage could just one infected jihadist do before he died, what about several infected suicide squads targeting western cities, airports, malls,

Yes, you are right. Infect themselves and die quickly before they can cause more damage. They are like devils in human form.
 
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I am thinking since West Africa provides up to 75 percent of global production for cocoa used in candy bars etc, the major impact on the west, assuming we don't get a global pandemic out of Nigeria, is M and M's may cost $5 a small package within a few weeks to months!

No more cocoa is definitely an end of the world as we know it scenario!

You will have to get used to carob.

(might be good to invest in a carob company)
 
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