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Hfcomms

EN66iq
Dose it control the panic or just postpone it?

And that is the problem in this era of ’fake news’. Very few people trust the governmen, media or medical establishment to give them the straight poop on crucial topics. They have destroyed all credibility over time and you can’t believe anything they say. In situations like this job #1 of government is to control panic among the population. If it’s bad they won’t tell you the truth so you have to read between the lines.

Like with China’s response here. They tell you that yes it is serious but is under control. But what they are doing by locking down major cities with millions of people and blocking the roads in/out is that the situation is beyond serious and out of control.
 

rafter

Since 1999
Watching Fox and friends first this morning. They are finally starting to come around with more of the real story...or at least closer. Reporting that China isn't giving the real numbers of people that are sick...that they are hearing 90K. (of course it is much worse than that, but getting there). Chinese nurse on twitter is supposedly their source.

Also they are reporting that incubation period while you are contagious and not showing symptoms for 2 weeks.

US sending charter flight to pick up citizens...(we already know that).

While not a lot of info...more than what has been reported.
 

bcingu

Senior Member
Check this out
View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7iI1JiGrAg


8:20 long but the coronavirus is discussed in the first 4:30.

Statement from the dean of Hong Kong medical university says computer modeling estimates the number of infected just in Wuhan should be at least 44,000 and the number of infected could start DOUBLING every 6-7 days. This contradicts what China and the WHO have been saying and that draconian measures will have to be implemented not only in Hong Kong but around the world or we could be facing a global pandemic. Honesty in reporting is the linch pin.However, the chief executive Carrie Lam said they would not be closing even temporarily as that would be impractical. the frontier between China and Hong Kong because it simply wouldn't work.
 

Tarryn

Senior Member

Hfcomms

EN66iq
If it bleeds it leads and virus coverage is now front and center on the snooze. Watching CNBC and this is the lead story. If you need essential medical supplies they will be gone in the next day or two now that it's a new week and hitting public consciousness. We have already talked about the N95 type masks disappearing late last week but now the Tyvek, gloves, medical grade disinfectants, ect are going to be flying off the shelves. If there are holes in your preps as far as medical supplies goes the clock is running out.
 

2DEES

Inactive
Entering the land of the porous memory...

It has been suggested Aspirin, the wonder drug of the 1900s, may of inadvertently contributed to many, many deaths during the Spanish Flu.

Aided in people bleeding out through their lungs.

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And thank you.Same as I posted on another thread!
 

tiredude

Veteran Member
Even if we use their official numbers..... the death toll was 50 yesterday at this point in the morning. It is over 80 now. Even with their silly numbers the death toll has reached a point where it is almost doubling every day. Granted the percentages are slanted because of the relatively low numbers but it feels significant.....its not good if you are one of the new 30.
 

2DEES

Inactive
Dr. Peter Salama of WHO suddenly died from a heart attack! He led UNICEF's response to Ebola. He had input into Coronavirus also. I see a possibility that if you see more scientists, more microbiologists, more virologists,etc. dying suddenly
the cover up has started. Eliminate those who can expose your nefarious works
 

Kayak

Adrenaline Junkie
Don't know why I'm around at this hour, but in looking for news of our new virus, I ran across this video of a British fellow trapped in Wuhan
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luztqxUBvZo

Inside Wuhan: Daily life in China's coronavirus quarantine zone
Ben Kavanagh is working as a teacher in Wuhan - the city under quarantine as the deadly coronavirus continues to spread across China

It appears they are now resupplying stores. I've seen a few other reports that stores are fully stocked in the city as well.
 

MountainBiker

Veteran Member
If it bleeds it leads and virus coverage is now front and center on the snooze. Watching CNBC and this is the lead story. If you need essential medical supplies they will be gone in the next day or two now that it's a new week and hitting public consciousness. We have already talked about the N95 type masks disappearing late last week but now the Tyvek, gloves, medical grade disinfectants, ect are going to be flying off the shelves. If there are holes in your preps as far as medical supplies goes the clock is running out.
Nads, Schifty, & their gal pal Pelosi are not going to be happy if this trumps (pardon the pun) their 24/7 Trump hate fest.
 

MountainBiker

Veteran Member
I'm not buying the 5 million left Wuhan before the quarantine. Most urban Chinese are reliant upon public transport and while I know nothing of their infrastructure capacity, moving that many people out of the city in a relatively short period seems like a monumental task. At 500 people per train it would be 10,000 full trains.
 

Trivium Pursuit

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(worth a re-post, for those who may have missed it in this VERY long thread---picture of the CHINESE couple who SHIPPED THE CORONAVIRUS to CHINA is below)

Did China Steal Coronavirus From Canada And Weaponize It?

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Last year a mysterious shipment was caught smuggling Coronavirus from Canada. It was traced to Chinese agents working at a Canadian lab. Subsequent investigation by GreatGameIndia linked the agents to Chinese Biological Warfare Program from where the virus is suspected to have leaked causing the Wuhan Coronavirus outbreak.
Coronavirus Bioweapon – How Chinese agents stole Coronavirus from Canada and weaponized it into a Bioweapon
The Saudi SARS Sample


On June 13, 2012 a 60-year-old Saudi man was admitted to a private hospital in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, with a 7-day history of fever, cough, expectoration, and shortness of breath. He had no history of cardiopulmonary or renal disease, was receiving no long-term medications, and did not smoke.
Egyptian virologist Dr. Ali Mohamed Zaki isolated and identified a previously unknown coronavirus from his lungs. After routine diagnostics failed to identify the causative agent, Zaki contacted Ron Fouchier, a leading virologist at the Erasmus Medical Center (EMC) in Rotterdam, the Netherlands, for advice.
Abnormalities on Chest Imaging of the Saudi patient infected with Coronavirus. Shown are chest radiographs of the patient on the day of admission (Panel A) and 2 days later (Panel B) and computed tomography (CT) 4 days after admission (Panel C).
Fouchier sequenced the virus from a sample sent by Zaki. Fouchier used a broad-spectrum “pan-coronavirus” real-time polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) method to test for distinguishing features of a number of known coronaviruses known to infect humans.
This undated file image released by the British Health Protection Agency shows an electron microscope image of a coronavirus, part of a family of viruses that cause ailments including the common cold and SARS, which was first identified in the Middle East. HANDOUT/THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
This Coronavirus sample was acquired by Scientific Director Dr. Frank Plummer of Canada’s National Microbiology Laboratory (NML) in Winnipeg directly from Fouchier, who received it from Zaki. This virus was reportedly stolen from the Canadian lab by Chinese agents.
The Canadian Lab
Coronavirus arrived at Canada’s NML Winnipeg facility on May 4, 2013 from the Dutch lab. The Canadian lab grew up stocks of the virus and used it to assess diagnostic tests being used in Canada. Winnipeg scientists worked to see which animal species can be infected with the new virus.
Research was done in conjunction with the Canadian Food Inspection Agency’s national lab, the National Centre for Foreign Animal Diseases which is housed in the same complex as the National Microbiology Laboratory.
The National Microbiology Lab (The Canadian Science Centre for Human and Animal Health) on Arlington St. in Winnipeg. Wayne Glowacki/Winnipeg Free Press Oct.22 2014
NML has a long history of offering comprehensive testing services for coronaviruses. It isolated and provided the first genome sequence of the SARS coronavirus and identified another coronavirus NL63 in 2004.
This Winnipeg based Canadian lab was targeted by Chinese agents in what could be termed as Biological Espionage.
Chinese Biological Espionage
In March 2019, in a mysterious event a shipment of exceptionally virulent viruses from Canada’s NML ended up in China. The event caused a major scandal with Bio-warfare experts questioning why Canada was sending lethal viruses to China. Scientists from NML said the highly lethal viruses were a potential bio-weapon.
Following investigation, the incident was traced to Chinese agents working at NML. Four months later in July 2019, a group of Chinese virologists were forcibly dispatched from the Canadian National Microbiology Laboratory (NML). The NML is Canada’s only level-4 facility and one of only a few in North America equipped to handle the world’s deadliest diseases, including Ebola, SARS, Coronavirus, etc.




Xiangguo Qiu – The Chinese Bio-Warfare Agent
The NML scientist who was escorted out of the Canadian lab along with her husband, another biologist, and members of her research team is believed to be a Chinese Bio-Warfare agent Xiangguo Qiu. Qiu was the head of the Vaccine Development and Antiviral Therapies Section in the Special Pathogens Program at Canada’s NML.

Xiangguo Qiu is an outstanding Chinese scientist born in Tianjin. She primarily received her medical doctor degree from Hebei Medical University in China in 1985 and came to Canada for graduate studies in 1996. Later on, she was affiliated with the Institute of Cell Biology and the Department of Pediatrics and Child Health of the University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, not engaged with studying pathogens.
Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, the Chinese Biological Warfare Agent working at the National Microbiology Laboratory, Canada
But a shift took place, somehow. Since 2006, she has been studying powerful viruses in Canada’s NML. The viruses shipped from the NML to China were studied by her in 2014, for instance (together with the viruses Machupo, Junin, Rift Valley Fever, Crimean-Congo Hemorrhagic Fever and Hendra).
Infiltrating the Canadian Lab
Dr. Xiangguo Qiu is married to another Chinese scientist – Dr. Keding Cheng, also affiliated with the NML, specifically the “Science and Technology Core”. Dr. Cheng is primarily a bacteriologist who shifted to virology. The couple is responsible for infiltrating Canada’s NML with many Chinese agents as students from a range of Chinese scientific facilities directly tied to China’s Biological Warfare Program, namely:
  1. Institute of Military Veterinary, Academy of Military Medical Sciences, Changchun
  2. Center for Disease Control and Prevention, Chengdu Military Region
  3. Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Hubei
  4. Institute of Microbiology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing
Sources say Xiangguo Qiu and her husband Keding Cheng were escorted from the National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg on July 5, 2019. Since then, the University of Manitoba has ended their appointments, reassigned her graduate students, and cautioned staff, students and faculty about traveling to China. (Governor General’s Innovation Awards)
All of the above four mentioned Chinese Biological Warfare facilities collaborated with Dr. Xiangguo Qiu within the context of Ebola virus, the Institute of Military Veterinary joined a study on the Rift Valley fever virus too, while the Institute of Microbiology joined a study on Marburg virus. Noticeably, the drug used in the latter study – Favipiravir – has been earlier tested successfully by the Chinese Academy of Military Medical Sciences, with the designation JK-05 (originally a Japanese patent registered in China already in 2006), against Ebola and additional viruses.

However, the studies by Dr. Qiu are considerably more advanced and apparently vital for the Chinese biological weapons development in case Coronavirus, Ebola, Nipah, Marburg or Rift Valley fever viruses are included therein.
The Canadian investigation is ongoing and questions remain whether previous shipments to China of other viruses or other essential preparations, took place from 2006 to 2018, one way or another.
So she, perhaps, is the real Corona-Chan... She's even wearing red...
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
An incurable virus, which can't be quarantined or identified, and results in death

that would solve any problem you have with population
the economy is gonna suck balls


Be plenty of jobs available though, like post WWI when workers could demand higher wages and benefits.
Either that or they'll just bring in more migrant labour...
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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The author of the paper Dr. Ding, aptly named, imho, cites walked back that 3.8 days ago...to 2.5 or something iirc.
Yes... but I swear I read a post late last night that now has the r0 possibly over 5! Seemed to be a legit source. Threads are moving too fast for me to find it again...

Summerthyme
 

GammaRat

Veteran Member
In an urban environment, where everyone is dependent upon public transportation, one should be able to hike out of the area, easily doing 15 miles a day. Even with a family I would say 10 miles a day is doable. Sneaking around checkpoints may slow you down.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I'm not buying the 5 million left Wuhan before the quarantine. Most urban Chinese are reliant upon public transport and while I know nothing of their infrastructure capacity, moving that many people out of the city in a relatively short period seems like a monumental task. At 500 people per train it would be 10,000 full trains.
Have you seen the pics of their trains/station? 10,000 trains doesn't seem that implausible, actually. However, I'm sure they all didn't take the train... and I seriously doubt all of them left in a few hours after the quarantine was announced. Some of the temporary diaspora almost certainly was long planned for Chinese New Year family celebrattions, and at the time people left, there was little knowledge of the new virus.

Summerthyme
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
Thanks for the update. That would be 45% of Wuhan's declared population of 11 million, so that is a stupendous feat. Especially in 5 days...

Almost unbelievable.

Unless many of them had actually died in Wuhan and been disposed of but somebody wanted to keep the official figures low so instead inflated the number of people who had left the city....

Maybe
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Nightwolf mentions that the population numbers for Wuhan keep changing - he said they started at 30 million, then his sources said 15 million, now 11 million,etc.

He also said (and said I could quote him on Timebomb) that "I could get better statistics out of a cat's ass than we are getting out of China" (when it comes to the numbers infected and other information).

He also repeated that getting REAL information (like technical stuff) even off the professional medical sites is very difficult, there just is hardly anything.

Which again is rather suspicious, o say the least (and/or no one yet trusts the results/information enough to publish).
 

adgal

Veteran Member
Unless many of them had actually died in Wuhan and been disposed of but somebody wanted to keep the official figures low so instead inflated the number of people who had left the city....

Maybe
Somewhere in this thread - at the beginning - it was explained that many of the residents of Wuhan had originally come from small towns - rural settings - and were forced to live in the city because of jobs. The Chinese New Year is like Christmas or Thanksgiving in the US - people go home for the holidays. They go back to their small towns - businesses are shut down for a week for the celebration. So, I can see many people leaving town in preparation for the holidays - their exodus having nothing to do with the coronavirus, just a happenstance of timing.
 

twobarkingdogs

Veteran Member
I'm not buying the 5 million left Wuhan before the quarantine. Most urban Chinese are reliant upon public transport and while I know nothing of their infrastructure capacity, moving that many people out of the city in a relatively short period seems like a monumental task. At 500 people per train it would be 10,000 full trains.

Its the new years over there so people were leaving to go visit friends and realitives for the days leading up to the quarantine being put into place. Plus the quarantine was a reaction to the virus becoming more wide spread so some people might have already decided to go to their BO location prior to the quarantine.

tbd
 

adgal

Veteran Member
The RUSH is on!!

For fair use: Face masks selling out and Lunar New Year events canceled as Chicago’s Chinese community reacts to coronavirus spread

Face masks selling out and Lunar New Year events canceled as Chicago’s Chinese community reacts to coronavirus spread

On the eve of Lunar New Year, a time meant for celebration with family and arguably the most important Chinese holiday, many Chinatown residents found themselves instead standing in line to buy bright blue boxes of face masks, seeking to protect themselves from the coronavirus after the first case was confirmed in Chicago.
By early afternoon Friday, the lone Walgreens in Chinatown was sold out. Meanwhile, some events celebrating Lunar New Year were canceled, and restaurant owners in the community complained of waning business.
Lunar New Year, celebrated from Friday to Feb. 4, marks one of the busiest travel seasons among Chinese, as it’s part of the cultural tradition to return to one’s hometown and reunite with family. But this year, many plans have come to a halt because of the coronavirus outbreak in China that has begun to spread to the U.S.
On Saturday, tourists and area residents walked mostly mask-free, and businesses were open like any typical day in January. Despite some festive decorations, activity in the area was light due to poor weather and coronavirus concerns.
Paulynette Acosta walked in and out of stores while shopping along South Wentworth Avenue, holding a fruit smoothie in one hand and wearing a medical face mask with a decorative design that covered her mouth.
“I just want to be cautious,” Acosta said, referring to news reports of the virus having been detected in a Chicago resident who returned from Wuhan on Jan. 13. “It’s like there’s something new every year.”
From restaurant reservation cancellations to travelers eschewing trips to the homeland, many Chinese Chicagoans have taken a cautious approach to this year’s festivities, opting to stay home and avoid crowds to limit opportunities for exposure. The identification of Illinois’ first coronavirus case Friday underscored the risk for some.
The Chicago woman had returned from caring for her sick father in China earlier this month, and was diagnosed with the respiratory coronavirus, which has sickened more than 1,200 in China and killed at least 41 there, officials said Saturday. The woman’s condition had been stabilized, and she was “clinically doing well," officials said.
In Chicago’s Chinatown on Friday morning, it seemed like the only indications that it was Lunar New Year’s Eve were the red lanterns, wet from the unrelenting drizzle, swaying between trees on Cermak Road.
A couple in Chinatown wear masks as a precaution in Chinatown on Jan. 25, 2020.

A couple in Chinatown wear masks as a precaution in Chinatown on Jan. 25, 2020. (Abel Uribe / Chicago Tribune)
The usually bustling neighborhood seemed concentrated at the sole Walgreens in the area, on Cermak near Archer Avenue. Boxes of surgical-grade face masks sat on the counter near the cash register, and people lined up, buying them as quickly as the employees could stock them. But the real prize, 3M N95 masks, which customers favor for protection against viruses, had been sold out within two hours that morning. All 400 of them.
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A woman who worked at the Walgreens said Friday that another shipment of 600 masks was due to arrive later that day, hopefully in time for Lunar New Year celebrations. But before 2 p.m. the store was sold out of all face masks, all types. There were no signs alerting customers of the next shipment, nor were any signs posted at other businesses that referenced the virus.
Wearing a black disposable face mask, Hai Xia, 25, who lives in Prairie Shores, came to the Chinatown Walgreens in hopes of finding the 3M N95 masks. His friend had told him via WeChat that Costco and Target were already sold out, so he was hoping he’d get lucky by venturing to Chinatown. But he came up empty-handed once again. It was his second try for the day, and at that point, he was ready to try his luck online, but he said he couldn’t find what he was looking for.
“We just want to protect our life,” he said in Mandarin.
Hai Xia, right, leaves the Walgreens in Chinatown empty-handed on Jan. 24 after hoping to purchase a box of a specific brand of surgical face masks to protect himself and others from the coronavirus.

Hai Xia, right, leaves the Walgreens in Chinatown empty-handed on Jan. 24 after hoping to purchase a box of a specific brand of surgical face masks to protect himself and others from the coronavirus. (Antonio Perez / Chicago Tribune)
With their hoods up and umbrellas extended, patrons of Park To Shop in Chinatown hurried from their car to the store for last-minute groceries Friday. Many of them, including small children bundled up in puffy winter jackets, wore face masks as they browsed the aisles of produce and red Lunar New Year boxes full of traditional cookies and candies.
“I don’t want to go back (to China),” Qinan Zhao, who was wearing a face mask while loading some green onions into the basket on her bicycle, said in Mandarin. “It’s very scary. But I’m sure the Chinese will find a cure very quickly.”
Huan Wang, vice president of the Association of Chinese-American Scientists and Engineers and a restaurateur, said he’s seen a decrease in the number of people dining out in his establishments. The health scare combined with the weather has made business difficult.
Many patrons have opted to order delivery online instead of dining in, a service that takes a cut out of Wang’s overall profits, he said.
Still, Wang was not oblivious to people’s concerns about health risks. To help protect his staff and patrons, his restaurants are also taking extra precautions to sanitize tables and utensils, using extra-strong disinfectants for cleaning, he said. Also, they are posting notices in the restaurants encouraging people to be considerate of other diners by covering their mouths when coughing or sneezing.
Wang said some of his friends who own restaurants in Chinatown have seen cancellations for reservations booked for Lunar New Year, including a group of 80 people who canceled on Thursday. The reservations are hard to fill so close to the holiday, he said. Because festivities typically begin around dinnertime, the cancellations have dealt a heavy blow to the small businesses.
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Among the events canceled Friday was the Festival of Spring, a huge show hosted by the Chinese American Association of Greater Chicago featuring music and dance performances to celebrate the Lunar New Year. Still, another large celebration, the Chinatown Chinese Lunar New Year Parade, is on for Feb. 2, said Mabel Moy, president of the Chicago Chinatown Chamber of Commerce.
She said many people who were from Southern China seemed to be less worried than their Northern Chinese counterparts, and her Cantonese friends are still making dinner reservations.
Yang Jiong, of the Zhejiang Opera Theatre, performs at the Chicago Cultural Center in downtown Chicago on Jan. 24, 2020, in celebration of the Chinese New Year.

Yang Jiong, of the Zhejiang Opera Theatre, performs at the Chicago Cultural Center in downtown Chicago on Jan. 24, 2020, in celebration of the Chinese New Year. (Terrence Antonio James / Chicago Tribune)
Videos of how to cover your mouth when you cough and how to take preventive measures against the virus are sweeping across WeChat groups, both locally and internationally. Wang said his family, many of whom work in the medical field, have been extra diligent about sharing tips with family, friends and online groups that they’re a part of.
“I think people really underestimate the potential impact of coughing,” he said. “They think they’re healthy so they don’t think they need to do anything different.”
Many online groups are also putting together packages of supplies to send to Wuhan, the city where the outbreak is concentrated in China, Wang said. And various community organizations have held informational seminars to help educate people on how to protect themselves and how to help.
What is coronavirus and what precautions should people in the Chicago area be taking? »
While preventive measures are necessary, Wang said there’s no need for panic. And there’s certainly no need for people to be afraid to visit the Chinatown neighborhood in Chicago.
“Many of us haven’t been back to China in years,” he said with a laugh.
Paulynette Acosta wears a medical face mask while shopping on South Wentworth Avenue in Chinatown on Jan. 25, 2020. I just want to be cautious, Acosta said, referring to a coronavirus originating from Wuhan, China, which has spread to other countries. It's like there's something new every year.

Paulynette Acosta wears a medical face mask while shopping on South Wentworth Avenue in Chinatown on Jan. 25, 2020. "I just want to be cautious," Acosta said, referring to a coronavirus originating from Wuhan, China, which has spread to other countries. "It's like there's something new every year." (John J. Kim / Chicago Tribune)
The Tribune’s John Kim contributed
gwong@chicagotribune.com
 

Kayak

Adrenaline Junkie
Have you seen the pics of their trains/station? 10,000 trains doesn't seem that implausible, actually. However, I'm sure they all didn't take the train... and I seriously doubt all of them left in a few hours after the quarantine was announced. Some of the temporary diaspora almost certainly was long planned for Chinese New Year family celebrattions, and at the time people left, there was little knowledge of the new virus.

Summerthyme

Chinese trains are ticketed like the Titanic, and the cheapest tickets means people are crammed onto a single car like you wouldn't believe. The first two classes of high-speed tickets, they sell the seats first and then the standing room. Regular (not high-speed) trains have a class where everyone is standing, packed in tight.

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tiredude

Veteran Member
If the lies stay the same and the reported ratio stays in congruence with the real rate of death we will see exponential growth in the days to come. IF the equation doesn't change.....we know they are being deceitful ...the question is by what proportion?
 
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