DISASTER Fukushima Reactor Disaster: MAIN THREAD - Five Year Anniversary

vessie

vessie

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Something that I've been 'marinating' on since this morning and the lack of news concerning potential radiation drift on the Jet Stream...

A thought has been bothering me for a few hours since I first saw the news about this explosion and that is, I keep remembering the statement Rahm made about "Never let a serious crisis go to waste" (here is him actually saying this *fair use* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow ).

So, 'if' we were to get the "Ill winds that sweeps the globe 9 times" if you get my drift and being that our country is broke, wouldn't this be a good time for the PTB's to get rid of the useless eaters by not letting us know how bad the situation may become or is and not give out warning, hand out KI candy etc. to the unwashed masses? Think of the money the gov. would save in the future with alot less mouths to feed or give healthcare too.

Unfortunately, this is the perfect opportunity for those with this type of mindset. V
 
onetimer

onetimer

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Red Baron said:
All 6 units of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station have been shut down.

Unit 1(Shut down)
- Reactor has been shut down. However, the unit is under inspection due
to the explosive sound and white smoke that was confirmed after the big
quake occurred at 3:36PM.
- Also, we have been injecting sea water into the reactor core and then
boric acid which absorbs neutron. However, we tentatively ceased the
operation factoring in the impact of potential tsunami following the
earthquake which occurred at 10:15PM.

We are trying to kill the runaway reactor but conflicting proceedures now have us hiding from a potential tsunami and we let the reactor just cook away because we don't know what to do first, second or third.

Unit 2(Shut down)
- Reactor and Reactor Core Isolation Cooling System have been shut down.
Current reactor water level is lower than normal level, but the water
level is steady. After fully securing safety, we are preparing to
implement a measure to reduce the pressure of the reactor containment
vessels under the instruction of the national government.

The damn thing is overheating and producing hydrogen gas. We are going to release hydrogen and radioactivity into the environment. We just hope the hydrogen doesn't blow up again like on Reactor #1. Sorry, our bad.

source,

http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11031234-e.html
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That's exactly how I read it too.
 
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Catbird

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truthseeker said:
It was 8 times normal outside the containment building, It was 1000 times normal inside. So whats actually decreased?
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From what I recall, the IAEA said that levels had decreased "around the plant". So I'm thinking that that statement was based on the monitoring equipment located in locations around the plant.
 
rafter

rafter

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Japan is reporting they have evacuated 140,000 people. How long with crumbled roads and infrastructure does it take to move that many people? More than the 2 hours they have reported since before that the numbers were in the 40,000 range.

Don't think we are being told the whole story...
 
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Catbird

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onetimer said:
That's exactly how I read it too.
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I was checking the TEPCO site. That statement was as of 11pm last night, Tokyo time. It's 7am there now so that info is at least 8 hours old. They aren't doing much of a job of keeping their info updated.
 
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Catbird

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"AJELive

1. #Japan: Risk of second explosion at #Fukushima nuclear plant after #tsunami, #quake damage. More at #AlJazeera: http://aje.me/gqAmvT less than 10 seconds ago via web "



From: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/japans-twin-disasters-march-13-liveblog#update-11091

"#6:56am

AFP says the operator of the Fukushima nuclear power plant, where a second reactor system is overheating, says there is a risk of a second explosion. We'll keep you updated right here.
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Timestamp:
6:51am

The US Nuclear Regulatory Commission are sending a pair of its people to Japan. Chairman Gregory Jaczko said:

We have some of the most expert people in this field in the world working for the NRC and we stand ready to assist in any way possible.

The NRC is an independent agency mandated by Congress to regulate commercial nuclear power plants and other nuclear materials in the US, and said the pair were experts in boiling water nuclear reactors and were part of a broader US aid team sent to the disaster zone."
 
Cascadians

Cascadians

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Catbird said:
" .... So I'm thinking that that statement was based on the monitoring equipment located in locations around the plant."
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Doesn't sound like there's anything functioning around the plant. Blasted to smithereens. So of course monitoring levels will go down :jstr:

"Lookee, not registering as much radiation!"
 
Rex Jackson

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They can sent 10,000 experts, there isn't stopping the unstopable. By the way, the NRC is a joke. its all about money and they get their share.
 
onetimer

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Ravekid

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Red Baron said:
I do feel badly for the Japanese however. A "Nuclear Event" is the absolute worst thing that could happen to their national psyche. It really strikes at their core fears and only compounds the devastation already wrought by the earthquake and tsunamis.
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Some of them bitch about us dropping bombs on them, then they turn around decades later and essentially nuke themselves. I really hope they get this stuff under control. If this ends up being a catastrophe, I could see world pressure to stop all future nuke plants. Hell, the world may actually beg the US or Israel to bomb anything nuke plant related in Iran.
 
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Zulu Cowboy said:
http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/q7000.html

From the Health Physics Society website...

Quote: "From FDA guidance on shelf-life extension, studies over many years have confirmed that none of the components of KI tablets, including the active ingredient, has any significant potential for chemical degradation or interaction with other components or with components of the container closure system when stored according to labeled directions. To date, the only observed changes during stability (shelf-life) testing have been the failure of some batches of KI tablets to meet dissolution specifications. Some tablets tested required slightly longer than the specified time to achieve dissolution. Even in the case of a failure of this sort, the product remains usable. In such cases, instructions can be provided to crush the tablets and mix them with a juice or other liquid prior to administration as suggested for emergency pediatric dosing."

Ronald E. Goans, PhD, MD, MPH

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In other words...don't worry about the expiration date.

:crtmn:
Zulu Cowboy

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In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material in this post is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes…
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Thank you so much!
 
Rex Jackson

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There are active rods, and spent rods which are all an issue. The active rods need to be kept cool, and so do the spent rods (for up to two years). They use cooling pumps that pump water through the reactors and the spent rod ponds. They place reactors near large water sources. The cooling pumps get power from the grid. Some can be switch over the reactor power and that is fine, as long as the reactor doesn't have an issue. The the power being made at reactors turns off at the first sign of danger so as not to stress the reactor any further. So, this leave backup generators which run on natural gas, diesel, gasoline, or fuel oil.

When a quake strikes it drops grid power fairly quickly. So the backup generators pickup running on their fuel....unless the quake is strong enough to destroy the tanks or feeds from the fuel supply. Even in the event that that generators are running and have a fuel supply, most supplies run out within days. Sooner if there is a leak. Then there is the problem of water feed.

The water needs to not have debris in it or it will plug up the pump inlets. This is why they run multiple water feeds. But in the event of a large tsunami that is sweeping all kinds of mud and debris, chances are all the pumps will plug. In the case of Japan, I wouldnt be surprised if some of the generators were actually under water.

Water feed
Grid feed
Fuel for the backup generators
Backup generators

If they all get destroyed, there will be melt downs. Seeing the roof 'vanish' off of reactor #1 tells me radiation went high into the sky possibly reaching the jet stream. Levels should be mild levels by time they reach here, but Japan is screwed. Radiation in the air, dirt, soil and oceans combined with oil, chemicals, mud, other toxins, spells little if any fishing for years to come.

Reactors can typically handle a large EQ. Reactors can typically handle a large power outage. Reactors can typically handle a tsunami,...but not all three.

Japan will lie because those reactors should have never been built in the first place.
 
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Archetype

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I see your reasoning, but I'd guess that the opposite would occur; this event will likely so traumatize the international community over radiation that bombing a reactor would be a bigger public relations disaster than it would normally be.
 
energy_wave

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This site might come in handy to track any fall out...

Welcome to RadiationNetwork.com, home of the National Radiation Map, depicting environmental radiation levels across the USA, updated in real time every 3 minutes.
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This is the first web site where the average citizen (or anyone in the world) can see what radiation levels are anywhere in the USA at any time
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http://www.radiationnetwork.com/RadiationNetwork.htm

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Red Baron

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Rex Jackson said:
As I mentioned in the other thread, expect all three to go into full melt down.
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Here ya go,

(All times are local in Japan GMT+9)

Timestamp:
7:15am More on the danger posed by that second developing problem at the Fukushima nuclear power plant. A Tokyo Electric Power Co spokesman said:

All the functions to keep cooling water levels in No.3 reactor have failed at the Fukushima No.1 plant.

As of 5:30am, water injection stopped and inside pressure is rising slightly.

An emergency report on the plant's condition has been filed with the government, he added.

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6:56am AFP says the operator of the Fukushima nuclear power plant, where a second reactor system is overheating, says there is a risk of a second explosion. We'll keep you updated right here.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/japans-twin-disasters-march-13-liveblog

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BTW - Anybody notice how the domestic MSM is way behind this story?
 
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Catbird

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"AJELive

1. #Japan: Pressure inside No.3 nuclear #Fukushima reactor is rising after #tsunami damage. More at #AlJazeera: http://aje.me/gxwkCi 1 minute ago via web
2. #Japan: "All functions to keep cooling water levels in No.3 reactor at #Fukushima have failed" More at #AlJazeera: http://aje.me/gxwkCi 3 minutes ago via web "



From: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/japans-twin-disasters-march-13-liveblog#update-11096

"7:15am

More on the danger posed by that second developing problem at the Fukushima nuclear power plant. A Tokyo Electric Power Co spokesman said:

All the functions to keep cooling water levels in No.3 reactor have failed at the Fukushima No.1 plant.

As of 5:30am, water injection stopped and inside pressure is rising slightly.

An emergency report on the plant's condition has been filed with the government, he added."
 
Kent

Kent

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vessie said:
Something that I've been 'marinating' on since this morning and the lack of news concerning potential radiation drift on the Jet Stream...

A thought has been bothering me for a few hours since I first saw the news about this explosion and that is, I keep remembering the statement Rahm made about "Never let a serious crisis go to waste" (here is him actually saying this *fair use* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow ).

So, 'if' we were to get the "Ill winds that sweeps the globe 9 times" if you get my drift and being that our country is broke, wouldn't this be a good time for the PTB's to get rid of the useless eaters by not letting us know how bad the situation may become or is and not give out warning, hand out KI candy etc. to the unwashed masses? Think of the money the gov. would save in the future with alot less mouths to feed or give healthcare too.

Unfortunately, this is the perfect opportunity for those with this type of mindset. V
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That's why you test your own area with your own Rad meter and not count on the government. Also, as was posted by Zulu Cowboy, KI is a salt and should be good almost forever if you keep it dry. Don't worry about expiration dates on them.
 
Rex Jackson

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The map energy wave posted is the map that has haunted me for 15 years.

The problem with reactors is that when they blow, they can all blow differently. Some fast and large, some could leak down for months. Some contaminate the water, some the air, some the jet stream, some could contaminate all three. Studying Chernobyl, most the fallout went in the direction of surface winds.

Know your area, know your reactor, know the jet stream, know the wind currents, know your rivers. Shelter accordingly.
 
Rex Jackson

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I may get flamed here but fact is fact. I used a 11 yo script of Doxycycline to cure a stubborn infection last month. Worked perfectly.
 
Rex Jackson

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great. I think they lost a bunch of men and equipment when #1 went leaving the other two to run on their own. Remote monitors are probably showing dangers.
 
Rex Jackson

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"A quake-hit Japanese nuclear plant reeling from an explosion at one of its reactors has also lost its emergency cooling system at another reactor, Japan's nuclear power safety agency said on Sunday.:"

Another backup system failed. If they could get a fire truck pump there and use that, they could keep it cool, but they need to continually bring fuel into the truck. More importantly, its a suicide run. The firemen will be exposed to radiation from reactor #1.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/japan-quake-nuclear-cooling-idUSLHE7EB02D20110312
 
energy_wave

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I was just thinking, if this reactor really started to contaminate the island of Japan, how many people would be displaced? How many cities full of people would have to move and never come back. Where would they go? Why did China build all those empty cities?
 
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Archetype

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How long for the decay heat to start significantly going down, I wonder? We're at what, the 36 hour mark or thereabouts?
 
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Perpetuity

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rafter said:
Japan is reporting they have evacuated 140,000 people. How long with crumbled roads and infrastructure does it take to move that many people? More than the 2 hours they have reported since before that the numbers were in the 40,000 range.

Don't think we are being told the whole story...
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I would love to know that as well. It would take enough time to evacuate 140,000 in an utterly normal situation during normal times. How many people had cars lost in the tsunami? How many busses destroyed? No trains are running in that area. And then the roads themselves sound like a disaster in themselves. And evacuate to where? What location? Do they have shelters for 140,000 extra evacuees, not including other people who have lost their homes? Whose feeding them? Tons and tons of question on that alone.

And donning my super smart tin foil beanie, could it be that there aren't more massive evacuations because of the basic questions above as to where stick several hundred thousand other people, most with no form of transportation needing to be fed and sheltered in a safe area?

Overall though to be hit with not only one disaster, but three (and potentially more) at the same time, I'd say the Japanese are doing the best they can, with what they have, as they can. Their government is not in an enviable position right now.

Could you imagine the same scenario here in the States? Katrina was handled bad enough when it happened.
 
eXe

eXe

Techno Junkie
a 6.4 aftershock a few mins ago and then I saw this..

Japan Nuke Agency Reports Emergency at 2nd Reactor as Hundreds of Thousands Flee

IWAKI, Japan – Japan's nuclear safety agency reports an emergency at a second reactor as the International Atomic Energy Agency says nearly 170,000 people have been evacuated from areas near two nuclear power plants.

The blast at a Japanese power station Saturday leveled a building housing its reactor and stoked fears of a nuclear meltdown, as officials searched for thousands of people missing more than a day after a devastating earthquake and tsunami.

"Evacuations around both affected nuclear plants have begun," the IAEA said in a statement to Reuters.

http://tinyurl.com/6fds9y4
 
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MickeyMouse

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Rex Jackson said:
"A quake-hit Japanese nuclear plant reeling from an explosion at one of its reactors has also lost its emergency cooling system at another reactor, Japan's nuclear power safety agency said on Sunday.:"

Another backup system failed. If they could get a fire truck pump there and use that, they could keep it cool, but they need to continually bring fuel into the truck. More importantly, its a suicide run. The firemen will be exposed to radiation from reactor #1.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/japan-quake-nuclear-cooling-idUSLHE7EB02D20110312
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Time will tell if the loss of cooling at #3 becomes critical.

Take a HUGE firetruck to cool the reactor - doubt that would be enough. ALmost surely would have trouble with even low pressure injection (300 PSI) and no way it could do High Pressure Injection (> 1200 PSI).

As for rad level near #1, I doubt it is all that high but getting at the truth can be difficult. Reports so far are no high radiation. I suspect the roof coming off #1 released some radiation but once that was dispersed.......

I AM curious if the spent fuel pools near the blown off section are still filled with water?
 
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Archetype

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Japanese ambassador on CNN still waffling...he says no evidence on meltdown. He either doesn't know, or is trying to save face...
 
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