BRKG FBI says militia plot to kidnap Gov of Michigan and overthrow Gov

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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What's the first clue here?

They are too stupid to operate mini-blinds.

And it shows in their faces.

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INVAR

Sword At-The-Ready
The FBI is integral if not central to this coup that has been ongoing.

Anything coming out of them is for the specific purpose of facilitating this coup to the next level or cement narratives that will be necessary to justify the actions yet to come.

Just do what I do and when you see F.B.I. - just automatically replace it with NKVD.

Same difference.
 

Thomas Paine

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Was Mark From Michigan involved? :D

My first thought was I wonder how many people I may have met that weren't giving the informer vibe off might have been involved. Mark, and and several other names who liked being too close to the flame might have been involved. I was always open about about being a line cop trying to sort out the BS from the few kernels of corn in the of the mix. 99.9% of the people struck me as well meaning, articulate, and sober, that 0.01% was definitely a yee haw!!! / WTF!!! group.
 

Mtsilverback

Veteran Member
I seen a video of knuckle head #1 that had the Anarchist flag behind him, but have a question for folks here. Can anyone identify the adulterated flag to the right in the video? It seems to trigger something in my mind.
 

doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic
The FBI is integral if not central to this coup that has been ongoing.

Anything coming out of them is for the specific purpose of facilitating this coup to the next level or cement narratives that will be necessary to justify the actions yet to come.

Just do what I do and when you see F.B.I. - just automatically replace it with NKVD.

Same difference.

High school civics 101....the FBI =s
the secret police.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
They probably meant to take her to Upper Michigan which is virtually Northern Wisc anyway. Meh.

Haha. The UP was too obvious as "Remotesville".

It's assholes like this that give the Libs fodder to wrap around the necks of Conservatives for YEARS afterward. Unbelievable.

And the darnedest thing......her actions were RULED unconstitutional by the State Supreme Court. . DUH. :rolleyes:
 
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et2

TB Fanatic
Just a recap of what she admitted to as far back as early as April this year when the protests against her started. But what about the protests she willfully attended Supporting BLM In Detroit. Did she track those protestors to? And every other Detroit protest this summer?

Or is it just protests against “HER”. This is bull$hit, this is a setup. She had the feds in on it, Tracking specifically at least 2 or 3 of the AR carriers at the capitol protests and used the information and contacts to setup this just in time to deliver MI to Trump and have people feel sorry for her during her re-election run.


Tracking Michigan protesters raises privacy, COVID-19 spread questions


Tracking Michigan protesters raises privacy, COVID-19 spread questions
Lansing — The tracking of hundreds of Michigan Capitol protesters’ cellphones from two rallies this spring has raised questions about protecting privacy rights, while testing limits of what location data can predict about the spread of the novel coronavirus from packed public events.

A liberal advocacy group most recently pursued the anonymized cellphone location data from more than 400 devices from individuals who attended the American Patriots Rally on April 30 in Lansing against Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s stay-home orders and used it to gauge their locations the next day in a bid to determine the potential spread of the virus from the demonstration.

Protestors wait in line to go into the Capitol after a rally on the front steps and lawn in Lansing.  The American Patriot Rally, in protest to Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's Coronavirus polices, on the Michigan Capitol steps and lawn in Lansing, Michigan on April 30, 2020.

The location of 422 cellphones within a roughly four-block radius of the Capitol showed individuals traveled back to areas throughout the state, including West Michigan, Metro Detroit, Northern Michigan and the Indiana border after the event, according to data obtained by VoteMap on behalf of the progressive group Committee to Protect Medicare and Affordable Care.

"They ended up pretty much scattered across the state," said Dr. Rob Davidson, executive director of Committee to Protect Medicare, a west Michigan emergency room physician and a Democratic former congressional candidate.

“I think you can absolutely argue that a likely high-risk group of individuals all gathering in close quarters have a high risk of propagating the virus,” said Davidson, whose group did not track protesters at the police brutality protests across Michigan over the weekend.

But the group pulled similar data at an April 15 rally called Operation Gridlock.

The tracking, known as "geoharvesting," is when data is gathered from a smartphone app on a device connected to the internet. That data contains geolocation information that can be queried to show movement on a map.

The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services’ contact tracing initiative has come across no reports where a COVID-19-positive individual reported attendance at an event, including protests, in their travel history, said Lynn Sutfin, a department spokeswoman.

The tracking has raised the hackles of Capitol demonstrators, such as Phil Robinson, a Barry County resident who said he considers the data gathering during the April 15 and April 30 protests a violation of his rights. The committee at least could have alerted attendees they were being tracked, he said.

"I’d have still showed up, but I would have left my phone at home. I wouldn’t have gone live on Facebook," said Robinson, founder of the Michigan Liberty Militia who attended both protests.

He also wondered why the Committee to Protect Medicare, which is supposed to be concerned about health care, would fail to track demonstrators at the police brutality protests in Grand Rapids, Lansing and Detroit.

"That doesn’t make sense," Robinson said. "They’re going to track us at the Capitol but nowhere else?"

Ryan Kelley, a west Michigan resident who helped organize the American Patriot Rally, said he was uncomfortable with the cellphone location data being gathered there.

"That sounds like an invasion of privacy," Kelley said. "That sounds like it should be illegal.”

Were protesters' privacy violated?
The protesters agreed to be tracked because the information was collected from "opt-in" cellphones, in which the user at some point agreed to terms allowing for such data to be collected by firms such as VoteMap, said VoteMap CEO Jennifer McEwan.

The cellphone users remained anonymous and their locations were instead culled from the publishers of the opt-in apps they were using, said McEwan, CEO of the Austin-based startup Datum that is the parent company under which VoteMap falls. People gauging cellphone locations the day of the April 30 protest and the day after would not be able to see to whom the phone belonged, she said.

While VoteMap is used primarily for Democratic-leaning campaigns, Datum also offers Moblyze for Republican campaigns and YouTarget for commercial endeavors, McEwan said.

"Data is always being transmitted," McEwan said. "You just can’t see it. We sort that data that’s already there and then query it to answer questions.”

Davidson, a Democrat who lost to U.S. Rep. Bill Huizenga, R-Zeeland, in the 2018 election, said his group hired VoteMap to monitor location data for both the April 15 Operation Gridlock and the April 30 American Patriot Rally.

Between 800 and 1,000 individuals attended the American Patriot Rally, according to Michigan State Police, with dozens entering the state Capitol during House and Senate session. Some protesters were armed and chanted at State Police troopers outside the House chamber to “let us in.”

At Operation Gridlock, the committee gathered the locations of roughly 506 cellphones, but the locations collected April 30 from the 422 individuals at the American Patriots Rally was a more useful data set since protesters were in close quarters inside the Capitol instead of segregated in their vehicles, Davison said.

He argued the individuals in close quarters were more likely to spread the virus and more worthy of closer study.

“The activities taking place indoors that we all saw on TV certainly would be higher-risk activities for anyone who had the virus to spread it to others,” Davidson said. “The odds would argue that some people had the virus, didn’t know it and spread it to other people.”

Public health vs. individual rights
VoteMap pulled device locations from Operation Gridlock for the next two days, the company said. But it only pulled data through the next day from the American Patriots Rally.

Similar data was collected by the committee at recent protests in Florida, Wisconsin, Illinois and Colorado.

The data collected April 30 can’t conclusively determine whether protesters contributed to flare-ups in their respective communities, Davidson said, though he argued it could be inferred given what’s known about the transmission of COVID-19.

In some cases, it might take weeks or several iterations of the infection to realize the full impact the gathering had on the virus’ spread, he said.

"I think it is extremely reliable for what it is," Davidson said.

Since the cellphones were anonymous, it’s impossible to know whether those "pinged" at the April 30 rally and later queried for location were protesters, police, lawmakers, journalist or interested bystanders.

Collecting phone data for use in public health studies or operations has become a hot issue because of the coronavirus pandemic, said Dr. Mona Sobhani, director of research and operations at the University of Southern California’s Center for Body Computing. Regular citizens might not realize it, but apps commonly collect location information and barter the data to companies interested in targeted marketing, she said.

"There’s this whole world of data brokers that buy and sell data," Sobhani said. "A lot of the times the default is that it collects location and you have to turn it off.”

There have been efforts to better digitize coronavirus contact tracing and symptom monitoring through apps developed at various universities, Sobhani said.

The apps are not especially popular because of privacy concerns, she said. And, without a large swath of users, the data the apps gather is not very meaningful to reach public health conclusions, she said.

"It does raise this really interesting question about public health concerns versus individual freedoms and liberties," Sobhani said.

Whitmer dives into group's data
Kelley, the April 30 American Patriot Rally organizer, said he worries that Whitmer would use the cellphone location information "to push her agenda."

The Democratic governor appeared to refer to VoteMap data from a Capitol protest in a May 13 interview with "The View" when she said protests in Michigan’s Capitol showed “the risk of perpetuating COVID-19 is real.

"We’ve seen it happening," she said.

Later that day in a state press briefing, Whitmer backpedaled from the claim, noting she didn’t have proof protesters brought coronavirus back to their hometowns.

“I’m not following everybody home and taking their temperatures and watching them for two weeks,” said the governor, who noted “a group” had assembled a report tracking phones to areas where cases increased.

“I don’t know the group,” she said. “I have not vetted the data. I can’t vouch for it. But I think that would not be a surprising outcome if that was the case.”

Whitmer has consistently expressed concern that the Lansing protests against her stay-home order would exacerbate the spread of the virus and warned it could lead to a longer shutdown.

On Monday, Whitmer expressed the same worries about the police brutality protests, noting she had a "high level of concern" about the protesters who refused to wear masks.

"I will say this, a lot of the early-in-the-day events, where it really was a peaceful protest, people were wearing masks," Whitmer said during a Monday press briefing.

"My hope is that we're fully re-engaged by the middle of the month to the end of the month ... we're going to follow the numbers and if we see things start to spike we're going to slow down, we may even have to take a step backward."

Similar technology was used and publicized in Lansing by the Republican Governors Association in February when Whitmer gave the Democratic response to President Donald Trump's State of the Union Address.

The association aired an ad called “Broken Roads, Broken Promises” an hour before the GOP president gave his speech, and used geolocation data to target Facebook and Instagram profiles within a 10-mile radius of the Capitol building in Lansing.

The ad featured media coverage of Whitmer’s struggle to pass a 45-cents-a-gallon gas tax increase through the Republican-led Legislature and includes a clip from Trump’s December rally in Battle Creek, where he noted “she’s not fixing those potholes.”
 

The Mountain

Here since the beginning
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I seen a video of knuckle head #1 that had the Anarchist flag behind him, but have a question for folks here. Can anyone identify the adulterated flag to the right in the video? It seems to trigger something in my mind.

I was wondering the same thing, as I too have seen that symbol somewhere before.
 

Warthog

Black Out
Is it just me, or does it seem like the FBI is forever "thwarting" crimes that nobody but them were even aware of? Kind of like the wonderful job I have done keeping our yard and neighborhood free of elephants for the past 40 years. Meanwhile, the Hillary Clintons, James Comeys and Hunter Bidens live in luxury right under the noses of, or actually within this bogus, corrupt, has been agency.
Not to mention there's alot of illegal things that's been done against a sitting President, shouldn't they be using the manpower for that?
 

Doat

Veteran Member
Well the women sure isn’t a Mother Teresa with thousands in Michigan. She had a recall petition targeting her, she shut down thousands of businesses, she is the Queen of lock down while she spent time at her summer home. Protest in the state capitol and signage along roadways proclaiming her an Idiot Governor. Most recently the State Supreme Court overruled her authority without the consent of the state legislature. There you go, Michigan’s Miss Congeniality!
 

vector7

Dot Collector
Figured it was a set-up as soon as I saw this guy:

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I have NEVER seen a conservative that looked like this.

Notice the Hawaiian shirt. ^^^

These are Leftist BLM/ANTIFA/ANARCHISTS masquerading as Rightwimg Militia.

NYT projection confusion propaganda peice...

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Boogaloo pages on Facebook feature periodic talk of racial justice and urgent needs to address climate change, many others are filled with memes featuring neo-Nazi black suns. If there is one thing that binds the Boogaloo together besides guns and Hawaiian shirts, it is a firm anti-authority, anti-law-enforcement stance — and a willingness, if not an outright desire, to bring about the collapse of American society.
 

hunybee

Veteran Member
I seen a video of knuckle head #1 that had the Anarchist flag behind him, but have a question for folks here. Can anyone identify the adulterated flag to the right in the video? It seems to trigger something in my mind.


Do you mean this one?
 

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Sportsman

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This sounds kind of familiar.

I remember some years ago the FBI charged a handful of good 'ole boys (I believe in in Cement City, MI) with conspiracy against the government. After it went to court, the Federal judge chastised the FBI for a sham set-up. The good ole boys were just contemplating around the bar table while drinking beer. The FBI egged them on, the FBI brought illegal weapons into the mix, the FBI planned something, but then the locals didn't do anything but drink beer and talk. The FBI arrested them anyway and had them down for long felonies.

Finally went to court and the judge turned them loose, slapped the FBI guys on the hand for their entrapment, expunged the charges against the local idiots, and it all went away. Except, I'm sure the FBI guys still had their jobs.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
I'm reading in a few places on the net that the FBI was working with an informant to make a entrapment plot to get to this.
 

Macgyver

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Not Making Headlines: Alleged "Right-wing" Militia Member Arrested for Plot Against Gov. Whitmer Was Black Lives Matter Protester and Sympathizer
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Daniel Harris arrest photo. (UPI)
On Thursday the FBI announced during a press conference that it thwarted a plot by a so-called “right-wing militia” to kidnap and kill Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer and overthrow the state government.
Early Thursday morning, federal agencies raided a house in Hartland, Michigan and arrested six men: Adam Fox, Barry Croft, Ty Garbin, Kaleb Franks, Daniel Harris, and Brandon Caserta.
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Whitmer immediately blamed the plot on President Trump telling the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by.”
“Hate groups heard the president’s words as a rallying cry, as a call to action,” Whitmer said blaming white supremacists.
It turns out Brandon Caserta, one of anarchists who was arrested for plotting to kidnap Whitmer, actually hates President Trump and is on video calling Trump a “tyrant.”
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And now there is evidence a second “rightwing” militia member attended at least one Black Lives Matter protest and was sympathetic to George Floyd and BLM protesters.
Governor Gretchen Whitmer owes President Trump and his supporters an apology.

The Daily Beast reported — and hid this until the end of the article:
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23-year-old Daniel Harris from Lake Orion, Michigan. A LinkedIn page corresponding to Harris in that small Detroit-area town lists his current occupation as “security guard,” but indicates he served as a rifleman in the U.S. Marine Corps until last year.
An individual of that name was quoted complaining about excessive use of force by police and alluding to his background at an anti-racist protest in Lake Orion in June.
It is a shame what happened with George Floyd and instances where law enforcement officers murder an unarmed man/woman who isn’t resisting arrest, was complying with the orders is wrong and need to be stopped. You look at photos and videos of news teams and protesters being beaten by riot police when they are there peacefully, you see people losing their eyes because if an officer shoots them with a ‘non-lethal’ round like pepper balls, or rubber bullets,” Harris said. “I’ve gone through that sort of training and I can promise you weapons like that they can turn into a lethal round.”
 

Mtsilverback

Veteran Member
Would seem that the socialist in Michigan are desperately grasping at straws to prop up their headdick-tatter. At least there are a couple less scum on the streets. To bad it isn't a permanent solution.
 

blueinterceptor

Veteran Member
What did antifa say about the people in charge? Were the mayors of Portland, Chicago, Seattle spared from their violent protests at their homes?

Seems like that “idea” as described by the Dems is escaping the containment field.
 
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Bubble Head

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"I'm going to tell you right now this is a set up job all the way." So says Larry the Cable Guy.

Nobody is going to pay a ransom to get her back. There are those that don't want her and those that don't care if she is ever seen again. She had to put this together herself or help from the DNC and FBI. Between this and Nancy Pees 25th cluster show today there is some type of desperation on the dems part. Is anyone weeping tears of joy the plot of the commie thugs was foiled? I don't think so.
 
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steve graham

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Well the woman may not be a woman............can't say for sure.......but, my take on this whole circus is that it was pre-orchestrated...........may the stupid and uninformed feed upon it......dear God, help us!!
 

et2

TB Fanatic
Twitmer won’t apologize to anyone. She doesn’t have it in her. She isn’t a decent woman. She opened her trap hole to direct the commie scum left diatribe.

She will double & triple down on these guys as Trumps followers
 

LoupGarou

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