GUNS/RLTD 64-34: Senate advances gun control

Teeja

On the Beach
I stand by my statements.

I think I understand your position and your reasoning. The only difference is that I don't believe such legislative efforts are likely bring about the intended result of a safer society. Logical? Sure. Well-intentioned? Perhaps. Effective? That's where I have severe doubts.

Instead, I believe such legislation will only be used as a stepping stone for more infringement in years to come, just like nearly all past "common sense gun laws" have done.
 

TFergeson

Non Solum Simul Stare
Folks your arguments are great and sound. And they do. not. matter.

The only question you need to pose is to yourself.

What will you do when your guns are made illegal and you have "X" hours to turn them in or become a felon and lose all access to state/federal bennies?

As much as you would like to think that the .gov doesnt know what you have, they know what you have, and they will starve you out to take it. So what will you do?

Medicare? Turn in your guns. Medicaid? Turn in your guns. LOL .gov retirement plan? Turn in your guns. The choice is yours
 

Bogey

“Where liberty dwells, there is my country.”
What does that mean about senior citizens? Have Medicare can't have a gun to protect yourself? The most vulnerable are to be sitting ducks? What am I missing?

This is what I found in the bill concerning Medicare.

13 Subtitle B—Medicare Improvement 14 Fund 15 SEC. 13201. MEDICARE IMPROVEMENT FUND. 16 Section 1898(b)(1) of the Social Security Act (42 17 U.S.C. 1395iii(b)(1)) is amended by striking ‘‘fiscal year 18 2021, $5,000,000’’ and inserting ‘‘fiscal year 2022,
 

Teeja

On the Beach
As much as you would like to think that the .gov doesnt know what you have, they know what you have, and they will starve you out to take it. So what will you do? ...
Medicare? Turn in your guns. Medicaid? Turn in your guns. LOL .gov retirement plan? Turn in your guns. The choice is yours

This is why we prep. To become independent of the system as much as possible, especially when the gov cuts us off of benefits we've already paid for.

They want us dead, remember? Act accordingly. This is a war, and if you think cutting off entitlements is the only course of action they'll take, think again. You WILL regret ever giving up your weapons to a totalitarian government, even if it's to preserve the "easy route" to feed yourself or pay your bills.

Life is going to get very hard, very quick. You will need guns and ammunition.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Teeja, I’ve said multiple times what the real solution to these mass shootings is. But no one even here on TB seems to notice what I said, let alone the outside world.
 

Bps1691

Veteran Member
Say it like it is. The 14 most corrupt and feckless RINOS just sold out the country - AGAIN. — for a handful of silver

they’ve done it several times during the demon-crats last 2+ years of reeking destruction on the people and the republic

The turtle needs to go as do the rest of these 13 traitors!!!
 

Teeja

On the Beach
Dennis, mind giving me a couple of key words so I can search your posts for your solution to mass shootings? My old eyes have a lot of trouble reading all the posts on TB2K, even though I would love to be able to do that. And I'm not being snarky - I really do want to know your thoughts on this stuff.

Nevermind... found it:

I do believe I JUST SAID YESTERDAY that locking social media accounts of those threatening violence I was a key action to stopping mass shootings. I wrote what could stop these shootings INSTANTLY on mourningdove’s thread. I guess no one read that thread.

Probably referencing this post:
 
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Vegas321

Live free and survive
The way i see it. If your under 18. Your future to own a firearm is gone. Getting a ticket for drinking beer or having some pot? ANY violation in your teens, will set you to never have a firearm.
It's a way to sunset future population from having the right to bear arms. Government rules always have intended, um, unintended consequences.
 

subnet

Boot
I want to weigh in on the points in the OP, generically.

$1.4 Billion for Red Flag Gun Confiscation
If the red flag laws have habeas corpus as part of them, as well as the right to counsel, AS WELL as the ability to recover legal costs and damages from a malicious reporting party, I’m not overtly opposed.

Virtual ban on 18-20 firearm purchases
The only way I’d support this is if the military cannot conscript (should it ever resume conscription), under age 21. IIRC, various ages were dropped from the historical “age of majority” of 21 because 18-year-olds were being conscripted into the military, and it was unfair to disallow them those rights if they were dying for the country.

Unseals juvenile records for ALL adults for purposes of banning gun sales
I absolutely 100% support this, wholeheartedly.

Potential senior citizen (Medicare/Medicaid) gun ban
I’d need to know the particulars before I could support this.
What about this portion..

"It also includes a virtual gun ban on ALL adults with ANY juvenile record. Not just 18-20 year olds."
 

Teeja

On the Beach
Dennis, while I understand that doing the things you propose would likely help to some degree (social media banning & not publishing the names of mass shooters), it's never going to happen, because publicizing and using the names of these mass shooters as poster boys for more gun control is just way, way too valuable a tool for the Marxist gun grabbers to promote their cause.

In theory, it should work. But we live in reality and live amongst real enemies of freedom and real evil people who seem to never do what's actually needed.

What's my answer? There is no answer. At this point in history, about the best we all can do is prepare for eventualities in our personal lives and try to stave off those who would hasten the removal of our God-given rights. In the current environment, there is no political or legal solution outside of outright civil war. That may come, and indeed could help bring about a more solid society, but I'm not holding my breath on that, especially since getting from here to there would be one huge bloody mess with tons of unintended consequences.

Mankind is on a downward spiral and there's no way to avoid hitting the bottom without a very hard landing. At least not in our lifetimes. About the best we can do is arm up, supply up, train up, and prepare for a wild ride.
 
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Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Dennis, while I understand that doing the things you propose would likely help to some degree (social media banning & not publishing the names of mass shooters), it's never going to happen, because publicizing and using the names of these mass shooters as poster boys for more gun control is just way, way too valuable a tool for the Marxist gun grabbers to promote their cause.

In theory, it should work. But we live in reality and live amongst real enemies of freedom and real evil people who seem to never do what's actually needed.

What's my answer? There is no answer. At this point in history, about the best we all can do is prepare for eventualities in our personal lives and try to stave off those who would hasten the removal of our God-given rights. In the current environment, there is no political or legal solution outside of outright civil war. That may come, and indeed could help bring about a more solid society, but I'm not holding my breath on that, especially since getting from here to there would be one huge bloody mess with tons of unintended consequences.

Mankind is on a downward spiral and there's no way to avoid hitting the bottom without a very hard landing. At least not in our lifetimes. About the best we can do is arm up, supply up, train up, and prepare for a wild ride.
Do you think I’m a moron? OF COURSE it will never happen. But not for (just) political reason you stated. BLOOD SELLS, and the social media platforms and MSM will do ANYTHING to make money off of death and devastation. There’s a song you need to listen to: “Dirty Laundry.” That’s what it’s all about.

But my points WOULD stop the deaths by removing the incentive of the shooters to be famous.
 

Nich1

Veteran Member
Say it like it is. The 14 most corrupt and feckless RINOS just sold out the country - AGAIN. — for a handful of silver

they’ve done it several times during the demon-crats last 2+ years of reeking destruction on the people and the republic

The turtle needs to go as do the rest of these 13 traitors!!!
Yes...and 2 Senators from NC...Burr and Tillis...support it.
 
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NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
An odd assortment of RHINOs. I wonder what they are getting in return.

Though they are also rhinos, my senators did not vote for it.

But I am surprised to see Joni Ernst from Iowa did.
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" I wonder what they are getting in return. "

Several things, a number of trunks stuffed with $ 100 bills, suppression of incriminating photos, and they are not getting a 12 gauge blast of 00 buck to their head

:hmm: :groucho:

 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
She knows nothing about firearms. A "musket" was 50 caliber and a trained soldier could fire 3 to 5 rounds a minute out to 100 plus yards. Modern muskets use slugs and can fire faster.
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
Rand Paul to Introduce Amendments to Senate Gun Bill
By Joseph Lord

June 23, 2022 Updated: June 23, 2022


Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) will put forward amendments to a Senate gun bill hammered out between Republicans and Democrats over weeks of closed-door negotiations.

The bill, coming in the wake of a school shooting in Uvalde, Texas that left 19 children and two adults dead, has received mixed reactions on Capitol Hill.

Some provisions have broad bipartisan support.

For example, the bill would allocate $15 billion to mental healthcare access and increasing school security, a measure that was particularly popular among Republicans. To offset these costs, the bill delays the implementation of a Medicare drug rebate program that proponents say will save the federal government $21 billion.

However, other measures, including measures to close the so-called “boyfriend loophole,” measures incentivizing states to adopt red-flag laws, and increasing background check requirements, have proven more controversial.

‘Concerned About Constitutional Deficiencies’

Paul excoriated the bill and announced his intention to put forward amendments in a June 22 tweet thread.

“No one wants to see guns in the hands of criminals, and no one wants to see tragedies like we saw recently in Texas,” Paul wrote. “I’m both a law-abiding gun owner, and a parent, and I want our schools and kids safe.

“While we have many laws in place to do that already, there should be things we can agree on as legislators to improve upon this. For example, I support legislation to include juvenile records of violent crimes to be included in background checks.

“Looking at the recent criminal past of anyone is a good idea before assessing gun ownership. However, that idea was paired with many questionable or bad ones in this legislation.

“I am concerned about constitutional deficiencies in many red flag laws,” Paul wrote.

Red flag laws, laws that enable courts to strip people of their constitutional rights to own a gun, have been a rallying cry for Second Amendment advocates for some time. The controversial laws have resulted in thousands of Americans being ordered not to possess guns because of concerns about their mental health.

Often, the accused are not given notification of an accusation or any chance to defend themselves against the charges until after their weapons have been confiscated.

“I cannot support any legislation that funds or encourages laws that allow ex parte gun confiscation without legal representation, or even sometimes without prior notification to the defendant of any accusation at all,” Paul wrote.

He continued: “I cannot support legislation that funds or encourages laws that allow gun confiscation with a standard lower than the constitutional criminal standard of ‘beyond a reasonable doubt.’ I cannot support legislation that funds or encourages gun confiscation predicated on anonymous accusations.”


Paul also called on other lawmakers to strip a provision of the compromise bill that would bar the use of funds to train and equip school personnel with firearms.

“I … think it unwise to prohibit the appropriated funds from being used for firearms or firearms training for any school personnel,” Paul said. “In fact, we should be doing the opposite, encouraging schools to train and arm proper personnel as desired and needed in their schools.”

“Unfortunately, this legislation was assembled as many are—in secret, absent well placed leaks to journalists,” Paul said, wrapping up the thread. “There doesn’t’ appear to be a willingness or time provided to read, understand, debate or amend this bill.”

“I will try anyway,” Paul concluded. “To this end, I will introduce amendments to correct the constitutional deficiencies of this bill and hope my colleagues and the Senate leadership will do the same.”

50 Democrats, 14 Republicans

On June 21, all 50 Democrats in the upper chamber were joined by 14 Republicans in advancing the bill, setting it up for a final vote later this week. The vote came only an hour or so after the final text of the bill was made public and available to lawmakers.

Paul is not the only lawmaker to criticize the haste to push the bill forward.

In a June 21 tweet, Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) also blasted the dizzying turnaround time between the release and advancement of the bill.

“Here we are voting to move on a bill negotiated entirely behind closed doors, released only an hour ago, that no one has had time to fully read, that ignores the national crime wave & chips away instead at the fundamental rights of law abiding citizens. NO,” Hawley wrote.

Still, the bill seems all but certain to pass and has at least the 10 Republicans needed to overcome the 60-vote filibuster threshold pledged to support the bill.

Paul, who has often broken with party leadership over civil liberties and constitutional rights issues, has in the past made similar efforts to slow or stall progress on bills that he considers unconstitutional or ill-advised.

However, many of these efforts have floundered in bipartisan votes rejecting Paul’s amendments or proposals, as seems likely to happen with any amendment he offers to the gun bill.

 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
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yo . . . hey Kathy . . . you
COMMUNIST BITCH
here's a better idea . . .
carry your UN-ELECTED COMMUNIST ASS back to the kitchen - where it should have stayed
then
SHIT DOWN and STFU
until you're called on for a sandwich and a lemonade
 

Night Breeze

Veteran Member
my grandson is 19 years old, just finished Army Basic and Infantry training 11B. He is in the National Guard starting college in August to get his degree and commission as a 2LT in the Army. Back to the Guard for 4 years, all on the Army payroll. The key operative is 19 year old. If this bill passes and he wants an AR15 and can't buy one I will give him one of mine. He can pay for it by giving me some refresher Infantry training. End of problem. May those traitor Republican rot in Haides and may their families be the first that a nut tries to kill. They probably would pray for an Infantry trained tenager. Let me see he can go to combat carry an M16 and possibly die but he can't buy on because a coward says so?
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
Justice Thomas did have a few words to say and more less killed some of their gun bill before the jerk in the White House could be told to sign it.
 

WildDaisy

God has a plan, Trust it!
""Unseals juvenile records for ALL adults for purposes of banning gun sales""

I am 74 years old and have lived a good, 'clean' life since... So why should I be banned from owning a gun because of something stupid I did when I was 15? You don't think 60 years is long enough to live down a stupid mistake?

I agree Caps. While I support the ban on adults with a VIOLENT Juvie criminal record (murder, assault, etc), I don't think someone caught stealing a candy bar at 15 should be banned from owning a gun at 50

The only problem is that if someone is a violent criminal (juvie or adult), a law isn't going to stop them from getting a gun.
 

ghost

Veteran Member
I received this in my email today ...

Last night, by a vote of 64-34 the U.S. Senate voted to advance a massive gun control package, mere minutes after the text was released.

And get this, 14 Republicans and all 50 Democrats voted for this gun control package that they didn’t even have time to read!

These are the 14 “Republicans”:
  • Roy Blunt R-MO
  • Richard Burr R-NC
  • Rob Portman R-OH
  • Todd Young R-IN
  • John Cornyn R-TX
  • Thom Tillis R-NC
  • Bill Cassidy R-LA
  • Susan Collins R-ME
  • Lindsey Graham R-SC
  • Mitt Romney R-UT
  • Lisa Murkowski R-AK
  • Shelly Moore Capito R-WV
  • Joni Ernst R-IA
  • Mitch McConnell R-KY
* Pat Toomey (R-PA) would have been the 15th if he had showed up.

Last night, NAGR staff worked late into the night doing something that these U.S. Senators didn’t bother to do.

We read the damn bill.
Here is what the bill includes based on our initial analysis:
  • $1.4 Billion for Red Flag Gun Confiscation
  • Virtual ban on 18-20 firearm purchases
  • Unseals juvenile records for ALL adults for purposes of banning gun sales
  • Potential senior citizen (Medicare/Medicaid) gun ban
It also includes a virtual gun ban on ALL adults with ANY juvenile record. Not just 18-20 year olds.

The politicians are trying to fast track this bill and get it off their plates before they jet off on a long 4th of July vacation Friday evening.

That’s right, they want to pass a bill infringing upon the Constitutional rights of Americans before they go celebrate Independence Day.

Apparently the irony is lost on these gun grabbers.

Help NAGR fight back.

Contact your Senators now.

Call Sen. Maria Cantwell at 202-224-3441 and Sen. Patty Murray at 202-224-2621 today.
Tell them to oppose the so-called “Stop Gun Criminals Act.”

After you’re done, please forward this message to your friends.
And please help fund the fight to defeat this gun control by donating to NAGR today.

Things are moving fast. Details are fluid. Lawmakers are threatening to put this bill on Biden’s desk before the weekend.
Don’t wait. Act now.

For Freedom,
Dudley Brown
President
National Association for Gun Rights


P.S. Last night the U.S. Senate voted to advance a massive gun control package they didn’t even bother to read.
This bill is expected to move fast through Congress and advance to President Biden’s desk before the weekend.
We must act fast.

Call Sen. Maria Cantwell at 202-224-3441 and Sen. Patty Murray at 202-224-2621 today.

Tell them to oppose the so-called “Stop Gun Criminals Act.”

And please make a personal investment in the fight to defeat gun control by donating to your National Association for Gun Rights today.
What gun control bill.
I didn't see or read it.
Only, GOD has this under control.
 

Caplock50

I am the Winter Warrior
I agree Caps. While I support the ban on adults with a VIOLENT Juvie criminal record (murder, assault, etc), I don't think someone caught stealing a candy bar at 15 should be banned from owning a gun at 50

The only problem is that if someone is a violent criminal (juvie or adult), a law isn't going to stop them from getting a gun.

We don't need 'red flag laws' to fix that though.
 
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OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
""Unseals juvenile records for ALL adults for purposes of banning gun sales""

I am 74 years old and have lived a good, 'clean' life since... So why should I be banned from owning a gun because of something stupid I did when I was 15? You don't think 60 years is long enough to live down a stupid mistake?

Cappy, it’s all about control. It’s also about so weakening the US, that our least powerful enemies can do us grave damage. It’s about divide and conquer. It’s a policy that has existed for generations. Ever wonder why the Feds have records on everyone, ALL phone and internet traffic monitored? Control of the masses- in all ways. We’ve never, ever, been free, and the government- all governments, are not benign or benevolent. We are alone, and must trust and rely upon only those that we truly know. So don’t take it personally- these arseholes treat everyone the same way- disposable assets. Nothing more, nothing less.

OA
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I received this in my email today ...

Last night, by a vote of 64-34 the U.S. Senate voted to advance a massive gun control package, mere minutes after the text was released.

And get this, 14 Republicans and all 50 Democrats voted for this gun control package that they didn’t even have time to read!

These are the 14 “Republicans”:
  • Roy Blunt R-MO
  • Richard Burr R-NC
  • Rob Portman R-OH
  • Todd Young R-IN
  • John Cornyn R-TX
  • Thom Tillis R-NC
  • Bill Cassidy R-LA
  • Susan Collins R-ME
  • Lindsey Graham R-SC
  • Mitt Romney R-UT
  • Lisa Murkowski R-AK
  • Shelly Moore Capito R-WV
  • Joni Ernst R-IA
  • Mitch McConnell R-KY
* Pat Toomey (R-PA) would have been the 15th if he had showed up.

Last night, NAGR staff worked late into the night doing something that these U.S. Senators didn’t bother to do.

We read the damn bill.
Here is what the bill includes based on our initial analysis:
  • $1.4 Billion for Red Flag Gun Confiscation
  • Virtual ban on 18-20 firearm purchases
  • Unseals juvenile records for ALL adults for purposes of banning gun sales
  • Potential senior citizen (Medicare/Medicaid) gun ban
It also includes a virtual gun ban on ALL adults with ANY juvenile record. Not just 18-20 year olds.

The politicians are trying to fast track this bill and get it off their plates before they jet off on a long 4th of July vacation Friday evening.

That’s right, they want to pass a bill infringing upon the Constitutional rights of Americans before they go celebrate Independence Day.

Apparently the irony is lost on these gun grabbers.

Help NAGR fight back.

Contact your Senators now.

Call Sen. Maria Cantwell at 202-224-3441 and Sen. Patty Murray at 202-224-2621 today.
Tell them to oppose the so-called “Stop Gun Criminals Act.”

After you’re done, please forward this message to your friends.
And please help fund the fight to defeat this gun control by donating to NAGR today.

Things are moving fast. Details are fluid. Lawmakers are threatening to put this bill on Biden’s desk before the weekend.
Don’t wait. Act now.

For Freedom,
Dudley Brown
President
National Association for Gun Rights


P.S. Last night the U.S. Senate voted to advance a massive gun control package they didn’t even bother to read.
This bill is expected to move fast through Congress and advance to President Biden’s desk before the weekend.
We must act fast.

Call Sen. Maria Cantwell at 202-224-3441 and Sen. Patty Murray at 202-224-2621 today.

Tell them to oppose the so-called “Stop Gun Criminals Act.”

And please make a personal investment in the fight to defeat gun control by donating to your National Association for Gun Rights today.

Roy Blunt, RINO MO, has always been a great disappointment. At least there is now an up-to-date list of traitors…

OA
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I think I understand your position and your reasoning. The only difference is that I don't believe such legislative efforts are likely bring about the intended result of a safer society. Logical? Sure. Well-intentioned? Perhaps. Effective? That's where I have severe doubts.

Instead, I believe such legislation will only be used as a stepping stone for more infringement in years to come, just like nearly all past "common sense gun laws" have done.

Americans should remember “Justice delayed, is justice denied.” Like water dripping on the forehead of a shackled prisoner, madness approaches with each drop. Drip, drip, drip. Sooner or later, Americans will wake-up, smell the burning bodies and buildings, families and communities leveled and destroyed. THEN, when THEY have suffered immeasurable loss, perhaps they’ll respond. What we’ve seen in the Middle East, is a blueprint to a war that like the Middle East, will last for generations, if not longer. Remember Kipling’s seminal poem of the angry Saxon? With a population of 330 Million, there will be at least a Million angry Americans- hopefully many more. Then, steel, fire, and blood will cleanse the land.

OA
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Odd the list is not alphabetical, by state or name....willy nilly. I find it odd. Mitch being last? Well known Rino's toward the back... Why? The normal bad guys, Rino's, turncoats, sellouts, should be front and center up front....with pride....as it is pride month.

On that note, the fall comes after pride.....buckle up..... ( I did say this last year, and the year before.). One of these days....
 

Caplock50

I am the Winter Warrior
Cappy, it’s all about control. It’s also about so weakening the US, that our least powerful enemies can do us grave damage. It’s about divide and conquer. It’s a policy that has existed for generations. Ever wonder why the Feds have records on everyone, ALL phone and internet traffic monitored? Control of the masses- in all ways. We’ve never, ever, been free, and the government- all governments, are not benign or benevolent. We are alone, and must trust and rely upon only those that we truly know. So don’t take it personally- these arseholes treat everyone the same way- disposable assets. Nothing more, nothing less.

OA

I know and I agree with what you say. But I was replying to someone who said they agreed with the bolded part in my post...which I disagree with completely.
 
Folks your arguments are great and sound. And they do. not. matter.

The only question you need to pose is to yourself.

What will you do when your guns are made illegal and you have "X" hours to turn them in or become a felon and lose all access to state/federal bennies?

As much as you would like to think that the .gov doesnt know what you have, they know what you have, and they will starve you out to take it. So what will you do?

Medicare? Turn in your guns. Medicaid? Turn in your guns. LOL .gov retirement plan? Turn in your guns. The choice is yours
"Hang together, or hang separately" - comes to mind. (h/t Ben Franklin)


intothegoodnight
 

Milkweed Host

Veteran Member
""Unseals juvenile records for ALL adults for purposes of banning gun sales""

I am 74 years old and have lived a good, 'clean' life since... So why should I be banned from owning a gun because of something stupid I did when I was 15? You don't think 60 years is long enough to live down a stupid mistake?


Not sure about your state, but when I worked in MN in the 1980's, all police reports, except sexual assault were destroyed
after ten years. There was a hand written or typed card file kept on people with codes. In the 1990's there was a slow process of transferring the card file info over to computer storage. For whatever reason the agency I worked at didn't backup the computer stored info in the 1990's. A computer hard drive crashed (broke apart) with one and a half years of info on it. This HD was sent into the State in an attempt to retrieve the info. Nope, it's gone.

I would question how accurate the record keeping was some 60 years ago.?

I would first check if you have a Texas courts online if there is a record, but I really doubt it goes back that far back?

I would then go to the agency in question and request a criminal history check on yourself.

For the criminal history check, a NCIC record is performed along with any in house record source.

The in house record would be unique to that agency. It would still contain records of any and all
ages. Just because a juvenile record in sealed doesn't mean it's going to be erased/delete.

My point is, I really question how accurate, if any record would exist from 60 years ago???
 

Caplock50

I am the Winter Warrior
Not sure about your state, but when I worked in MN in the 1980's, all police reports, except sexual assault were destroyed
after ten years. There was a hand written or typed card file kept on people with codes. In the 1990's there was a slow process of transferring the card file info over to computer storage. For whatever reason the agency I worked at didn't backup the computer stored info in the 1990's. A computer hard drive crashed (broke apart) with one and a half years of info on it. This HD was sent into the State in an attempt to retrieve the info. Nope, it's gone.

I would question how accurate the record keeping was some 60 years ago.?

I would first check if you have a Texas courts online if there is a record, but I really doubt it goes back that far back?

I would then go to the agency in question and request a criminal history check on yourself.

For the criminal history check, a NCIC record is performed along with any in house record source.

The in house record would be unique to that agency. It would still contain records of any and all
ages. Just because a juvenile record in sealed doesn't mean it's going to be erased/delete.

My point is, I really question how accurate, if any record would exist from 60 years ago???

All I know is that sometime around 2000, I applied for a job with 'Burns International Security Services'. And when I went in for the interview, they brought up something I'd done 37 years before to question me about. I must have given them a 'proper answer'...because they hired me(I have their badge on the desk in front of me). But the question still remains..."Why did they have to search back into my history that far to find something 'questionable' to ask about?" I can see 10 years; I could be ok with 15 or maybe even 20 years...but almost 40 years??

And now, today, they are wanting fix it so they can go back 60 years so they can take my guns away from me???

"Only from these cold, dead hands".
 
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EMICT

Veteran Member
Folks your arguments are great and sound. And they do. not. matter.

The only question you need to pose is to yourself.

What will you do when your guns are made illegal and you have "X" hours to turn them in or become a felon and lose all access to state/federal bennies?

As much as you would like to think that the .gov doesnt know what you have, they know what you have, and they will starve you out to take it. So what will you do?

Medicare? Turn in your guns. Medicaid? Turn in your guns. LOL .gov retirement plan? Turn in your guns. The choice is yours
There will be quite a few people with the attitude... 'You intentionally try to harm me and mine, I'll harm ya back'. The older people get, the less they can do... but the less they care if it gets to that point. Distance is an ole' timers friend (because it usually includes a scope for old eyes).
 

Caplock50

I am the Winter Warrior
There will be quite a few people with the attitude... 'You intentionally try to harm me and mine, I'll harm ya back'. The older people get, the less they can do... but the less they care if it gets to that point. Distance is an ole' timers friend (because it usually includes a scope for old eyes).

Lol, here ya go...about us, 'Old Cowboys'...
Old Cowboys (2).jpg
 
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